How GW2 IS becoming a "Grind" -MY thoughts.
Nothing WAS, but now it is, when your base of income gets a 90% reduction, you kinda hit the red before you even get there.
That depends on your costs actually. If you were only spending 5% of your income on upkeep between payouts and you now lost 90% of your payout you would still be in the green. And…
90%, seriously? What were you doing that is now unfeasible. How much were you making and how much do you make now? Call me incredulous.
Aight check it, I was doing COF runs to do two things at once: 1 Get tokens for the gear I wanted and, 2: Get 26-40 silver per run to buy some upgrades armor and weapon wise. they just nerfed the amount of money you get to 2 Silver from 26 Silver to 2. CM I heard it went from 50 Silver to 85 copper.
Well Mr. Mod he speaks for me, and I would like to hear what Arena Net says about this topic. I don’t want to play another grindfest mmorpg. I have already played too many of them, biggest waste of time and money in my opinion. You have my support OP, don’t feel disheartened by this “title change”.
ArenaNet says nothing, but they are heavily moderating the thread. I just got one post (not sure which) deleted for being off-topic.
The difference between those MMOs and this one is that in those games they wanted to keep you paying 13 Euro/15 USD per month, whereas here they would like you to pay much more.
Aed f’haeil moen Hirjeth taenverde.
OK so its been like what 3 week?
You are telling us that you are upset because you can not have the best of the best items in 3 weeks?
In an MMO?
Seriously?
I’m lvl 61 right now, and I am enjoying the game to it’s full extent! And I will be playing this game for a long time to come.
The problem that you have is that you just simply burned out on the game! You most likely played for 8+ hours a day, every day and now that you are bored of it, so you cry and cry.
Sorry dude, but it’s not our problem that you think you are entitled to everything right away, and that you think you should be able to beat the game within the first month!
Besides, I have a feeling that you are the type of person that goes to the forums of every new game that you buys to kitten about something!
And I can tell that if you did get your wish, and you actually would acquire the best items in the game, you would be here right now complaining and crying about how short the game is and how you have nothing to do because you beat it all.
I agree with most everything in the Original Post.
I’m still loving the game, but I’m now actually worried about it’s longevity, as they have essentially broken every promise they have ever made about the game once you reach level 80.
What ever happened to “having to grind is not ok”?
The lack of end game gear grinds for max stat gear was a selling point, but they some how have managed to take a game that was designed not to be grindy and found a way to make it a grind. What?
If it’s about trying to get people to pay more money on gems, go back to your original philosophy that making sure the game is fun is the primary goal and the more players who actively play the game, the more money you will make. Not “let’s see how much we can squeeze out of the most dedicated players and to hell with everyone not willing to pay the big bucks to play our game”.
Someone at Arenanet seems to be trying very hard to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and ruin what is otherwise maybe the best MMORPG ever made.
You lose money at lvl 80.
Right out of blizzards playbook
OK so its been like what 3 week?
You are telling us that you are upset because you can not have the best of the best items in 3 weeks?
In an MMO?
Seriously?
I’m lvl 61 right now, and I am enjoying the game to it’s full extent! And I will be playing this game for a long time to come.
The problem that you have is that you just simply burned out on the game! You most likely played for 8+ hours a day, every day and now that you are bored of it, so you cry and cry.
Sorry dude, but it’s not our problem that you think you are entitled to everything right away, and that you think you should be able to beat the game within the first month!
Besides, I have a feeling that you are the type of person that goes to the forums of every new game that you buys to kitten about something!
And I can tell that if you did get your wish, and you actually would acquire the best items in the game, you would be here right now complaining and crying about how short the game is and how you have nothing to do because you beat it all.
Call back when you’re level 80 and you’re farming the same events in Orr over and over again to get your armor. Tell me how much fun you’ll be having then.
Aed f’haeil moen Hirjeth taenverde.
Personally I’d like the Op to show me the part where they claimed vanity prestige gear wouldn’t be a grind.
They definitely claimed high end stats would be easy to achieve. But they also claimed that prestige items would be very hard to obtain.
Alot of this comes across as mindless rabble rousing.
Faction gear was only obtainable at lvl 80, and it’s level of Rarity is “Rare” (yellow) not even the stats I really wanted either. And now high end stats are much harder to achieve, prestige items are the dungeon reward sets, NOT the faction items. Looks like you are the only on that is mindless.
Nothing you said has anything to do with what I asked you to prove.
Which you cannot, because they didn’t ever claim vanity/prestige wouldn’t be hard to achieve. (or in your words, a grind.)
Instead you babble on about the price of another prestige set. Prestige just means hard to obtain and worth showing off and surprisingly a large sum of money comes under that category. It doesn’t get changed just because it’s something you think should be something that is easier to obtain.
Over sensationalism because you’re butthurt about having the repetitive CoF abuse to get easy prestige armor fixed. Yes, fixed… Not nerfed because it wasn’t intended for you to do it in the first place.
The amusing thing is, because you all abused that bug… CoF armor is now the least desirable. Because it is now the most common, and who wants to look like a bunch of scrubs abusing an exploit?
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If you want to complain about grinds go do sPvP. Upgrade your looks maybe once every 10 ranks, people who have been balls out playing are still only in 30’s maybe 40’s. Ranks increase quite a bit too.
Stop complaining about PvE.
OK so its been like what 3 week?
You are telling us that you are upset because you can not have the best of the best items in 3 weeks?
In an MMO?
Seriously?
I’m lvl 61 right now, and I am enjoying the game to it’s full extent! And I will be playing this game for a long time to come.
The problem that you have is that you just simply burned out on the game! You most likely played for 8+ hours a day, every day and now that you are bored of it, so you cry and cry.
Sorry dude, but it’s not our problem that you think you are entitled to everything right away, and that you think you should be able to beat the game within the first month!
Besides, I have a feeling that you are the type of person that goes to the forums of every new game that you buys to kitten about something!
And I can tell that if you did get your wish, and you actually would acquire the best items in the game, you would be here right now complaining and crying about how short the game is and how you have nothing to do because you beat it all.
The whole marketing campaign for GW2 is that it’s different from other MMOs, especially when it comes to grinding for gear. We were promised that getting max stat gear would be easy to get, with the long-term goals being the awesome looking prestige gear that have the same stats as the easy to get gear.
Right now, ALL of the gear is essentially prestige gear, even if you just want to get even stats.
Over sensationalism because you’re butthurt about having the repetitive CoF abuse to get easy prestige armor fixed. Yes, fixed… Not nerfed because it wasn’t intended for you to do it in the first place.
Of course it wasn’t intended! How could one even think that you should earn money by playing? The only decent way is to buy gems and sell them for gold. Silly us!
Aed f’haeil moen Hirjeth taenverde.
Aight check it, I was doing COF runs to do two things at once: 1 Get tokens for the gear I wanted and, 2: Get 26-40 silver per run to buy some upgrades armor and weapon wise. they just nerfed the amount of money you get to 2 Silver from 26 Silver to 2. CM I heard it went from 50 Silver to 85 copper.
Actually according to the wiki they changed it from 26 silver on your first completion for the day and 15 silver for subsequent runs to 26 on first to 5 silver on subsequent runs. it looks like the grapevine is exaggerating the reward decrease.
What are you trying to buy on the trading post and how much does it cost?
OK so its been like what 3 week?
You are telling us that you are upset because you can not have the best of the best items in 3 weeks?
In an MMO?
Seriously?
I’m lvl 61 right now…..
I stopped reading after that, if you are having fun I hope you continue to have it after you hit 80 as well. I just posted my opinion, what you like may be different from what I like, no point in arguing with fellow players. This post is more towards Arena Net and we would like to hear what they have to say on this after the way Guild Wars 2 was marketed to us.
Nothing you said has anything to do with what I asked you to prove.
Which you cannot, because they didn’t ever claim vanity/prestige wouldn’t be hard to achieve. (or in your words, a grind.)
Instead you babble on about the price of another prestige set. Prestige just means hard to obtain and worth showing off and surprisingly a large sum of money comes under that category. It doesn’t get changed just because it’s something you think it should something that is easier to obtain.Over sensationalism because you’re butthurt about having the repetitive CoF abuse to get easy prestige armor fixed. Yes, fixed… Not nerfed because it wasn’t intended for you to do it in the first place.
The amusing thing is, because you all abused that bug… CoF armor is now the least desirable. Because it is now the most common, and who wants to look like a bunch of scrubs abusing an exploit?
You sort of missed the entire point of the thread.
The problem isn’t that prestige gear is hard to get, that part is fine.
The problem with the game right now is that there is simply no reasonable way to get the non-prestige gear in a reasonable amount of time.
Personally I’d like the Op to show me the part where they claimed vanity prestige gear wouldn’t be a grind.
They definitely claimed high end stats would be easy to achieve. But they also claimed that prestige items would be very hard to obtain.
Alot of this comes across as mindless rabble rousing.
Faction gear was only obtainable at lvl 80, and it’s level of Rarity is “Rare” (yellow) not even the stats I really wanted either. And now high end stats are much harder to achieve, prestige items are the dungeon reward sets, NOT the faction items. Looks like you are the only on that is mindless.
Nothing you said has anything to do with what I asked you to prove.
Which you cannot, because they didn’t ever claim vanity/prestige wouldn’t be hard to achieve. (or in your words, a grind.)
Instead you babble on about the price of another prestige set. Prestige just means hard to obtain and worth showing off and surprisingly a large sum of money comes under that category. It doesn’t get changed just because it’s something you think should be something that is easier to obtain.Over sensationalism because you’re butthurt about having the repetitive CoF abuse to get easy prestige armor fixed. Yes, fixed… Not nerfed because it wasn’t intended for you to do it in the first place.
The amusing thing is, because you all abused that bug… CoF armor is now the least desirable. Because it is now the most common, and who wants to look like a bunch of scrubs abusing an exploit?
The amusing this is you assumed we all abused the bug. Please don’t make such accusations without any proof. Personal attacks are not welcome, they will only get the thread locked. If you have anything valuable to add then please do so, but don’t attack other players.
OK so its been like what 3 week?
You are telling us that you are upset because you can not have the best of the best items in 3 weeks?
In an MMO?
Seriously?
I’m lvl 61 right now…..
I stopped reading after that, if you are having fun I hope you continue to have it after you hit 80 as well. I just posted my opinion, what you like may be different from what I like, no point in arguing with fellow players. This post is more towards Arena Net and we would like to hear what they have to say on this after the way Guild Wars 2 was marketed to us.
What could they possibly tell you? That they did it for the money. We all know they did. Nothing they could possibly say or do will change my view on all of this.
Aed f’haeil moen Hirjeth taenverde.
What is depressing for most of you MMO veterans here is that the idea of exploring the entire world from head to toe and enjoying it is both foreign and scary.
On my main, I’m one area away from 100% world completion. I did everything else, including the WvWvW maps (don’t even get me started on how they shouldn’t have been included in the exploration requirement), but I can’t pull myself to do this one area. Why? Because there’s no reward to completing the map. Do you know what you’re getting? A star next to your name and 2 Gifts of Exploration. The gifts are used for legendary weapons, but seeing how they’re a horrendous grind to get, most people will never have one. You’d think that after having vested over 100 hours in completing the map, you’d get something more than that. Nope, sorry. Screw you.
That’s our problem. The game doesn’t feel rewarding. Even grinding doesn’t feel rewarding because of the anti-farm code. Nothing feels rewarding. It’s like you’re just doing it with no purpose and no tangible reward. The only thing that feels remotely rewarding is buying stuff with gems, but that’s about that. I guess they meant for it to be this way.
The only people that make money in the game are the flippers, who buy low and sell high. Oh, you farmed those crafting mats for 10 hours in Orr? How about I make a profit off your sorry backside by logging in for half an hour.
You’ll see that once the novelty wears off, there will be no incentive to do the so-called fun activities you’ve enumerated, since you too will feel like you’re not being rewarded.
Reward scheme, old hat. :P What I mean that the reward was not there to make the consumer feel better and enjoy the game. The reward was there to justify your time and not cancel your subscription. I personally have 8 gold. I did a bit of cooking, (Plan to finish up more on that later.) sold gear that I couldn’t use for 50c to 1s and sold mats that I would not use now.
Which proves my point. The very old mentality that to enjoy an MMORPG is to raid endgame content and get gear to show how much time you consumed on a boss. Designed to drain your time on purpose to justify the subscription cost. In GW2, end game loot is more of a personal goal to look a certain way, than to increase your kitten.
For an MMO to start to evolve, that very mentality has to go. Also there are portions on the map that are named, but cannot be explored yet. Maybe content for the future?
Maybe pvp some? Start a new story?
Replay a video game again from the beginning to have fun? God such a stupid idea for an MMO. :P Most importantly, the game is yours in full. No extra charge for it. You can always come back again after you believe you may have burned yourself out without fear of being left behind. Everyone plays other games to not burn themselves out. :P
I play Killing floor and DoW2 every while as well and to not feel left behind in an MMO is quite magical :P
What is depressing for most of you MMO veterans here is that the idea of exploring the entire world from head to toe and enjoying it is both foreign and scary.
On my main, I’m one area away from 100% world completion. I did everything else, including the WvWvW maps (don’t even get me started on how they shouldn’t have been included in the exploration requirement), but I can’t pull myself to do this one area. Why? Because there’s no reward to completing the map. Do you know what you’re getting? A star next to your name and 2 Gifts of Exploration. The gifts are used for legendary weapons, but seeing how they’re a horrendous grind to get, most people will never have one. You’d think that after having vested over 100 hours in completing the map, you’d get something more than that. Nope, sorry. Screw you.
That’s our problem. The game doesn’t feel rewarding. Even grinding doesn’t feel rewarding because of the anti-farm code. Nothing feels rewarding. It’s like you’re just doing it with no purpose and no tangible reward. The only thing that feels remotely rewarding is buying stuff with gems, but that’s about that. I guess they meant for it to be this way.
The only people that make money in the game are the flippers, who buy low and sell high. Oh, you farmed those crafting mats for 10 hours in Orr? How about I make a profit off your sorry backside by logging in for half an hour.
You’ll see that once the novelty wears off, there will be no incentive to do the so-called fun activities you’ve enumerated, since you too will feel like you’re not being rewarded.
Reward scheme, old hat. :P What I mean that the reward was not there to make the consumer feel better and enjoy the game. The reward was there to justify your time and not cancel your subscription. I personally have 8 gold. I did a bit of cooking, (Plan to finish up more on that later.) sold gear that I couldn’t use for 50c to 1s and sold mats that I would not use now.
Which proves my point. The very old mentality that to enjoy an MMORPG is to raid endgame content and get gear to show how much time you consumed on a boss. Designed to drain your time on purpose to justify the subscription cost. In GW2, end game loot is more of a personal goal to look a certain way, than to increase your kitten.
For an MMO to start to evolve, that very mentality has to go. Also there are portions on the map that are named, but cannot be explored yet. Maybe content for the future?
Maybe pvp some? Start a new story?
Replay a video game again from the beginning to have fun? God such a stupid idea for an MMO. :P Most importantly, the game is yours in full. No extra charge for it. You can always come back again after you believe you may have burned yourself out without fear of being left behind. Everyone plays other games to not burn themselves out. :PI play Killing floor and DoW2 every while as well and to not feel left behind in an MMO is quite magical :P
If you had read my previous posts you would know that I don’t want gear to show off my virtual awesomeness. I have never been a hardcore raider, not in WoW, not in Rift, not in SWTOR. I want gear because the way my character looks matters to me. If I have to work 200 hours to get the look I like, then I can already kiss the game goodbye.
Aed f’haeil moen Hirjeth taenverde.
The OP also has my support. The current endgame is a bigger grind than raiding two times a week ever was. Contrary to what Tempest thinks, getting rewarded for “skill” is nonexistent; you get rewarded for doing a dungeon 80 times. That is, the more you grind the more you get rewarded. But at the same time ArenaNet tells you that you shouldn’t grind. Then what should we do? Buy gems, maybe?
I like to think long-term. I have long-term goals for what I want to accomplish in-game. Sort of a nebulous ever-changing miasma of adventure and kitten-kickery. (I just made up a new word!) It is important to look good and feel good. It is real real nice to have 1000 gold (I can only guess). I plan on getting to that point, but I also plan on that taking a long time. If those goals were able to be accomplished in weeks or days I wouldn’t count them in my long-term goals list. I’d be angry in fact because my list just got shorter.
Going on most of the comments from people in the “pro-grinding” camp; I can only take home the fact that some people want their time to be worth more than mine.
I like to think long-term. I have long-term goals for what I want to accomplish in-game. Sort of a nebulous ever-changing miasma of adventure and kitten-kickery. (I just made up a new word!) It is important to look good and feel good. It is real real nice to have 1000 gold (I can only guess). I plan on getting to that point, but I also plan on that taking a long time. If those goals were able to be accomplished in weeks or days I wouldn’t count them in my long-term goals list. I’d be angry in fact because my list just got shorter.
Going on most of the comments from people in the “pro-grinding” camp; I can only take home the fact that some people want their time to be worth more than mine.
What if I told you those goals are now impossible without buying Gems? what will you do?
I like to think long-term. I have long-term goals for what I want to accomplish in-game. Sort of a nebulous ever-changing miasma of adventure and kitten-kickery. (I just made up a new word!) It is important to look good and feel good. It is real real nice to have 1000 gold (I can only guess). I plan on getting to that point, but I also plan on that taking a long time. If those goals were able to be accomplished in weeks or days I wouldn’t count them in my long-term goals list. I’d be angry in fact because my list just got shorter.
Going on most of the comments from people in the “pro-grinding” camp; I can only take home the fact that some people want their time to be worth more than mine.What if I told you those goals are now impossible without buying Gems? what will you do?
I’d tell you you’re talking kittenkittens… And suggest you actually try to demonstrate this with data before making absurd assertions that clearly aren’t true.
I like to think long-term. I have long-term goals for what I want to accomplish in-game. Sort of a nebulous ever-changing miasma of adventure and kitten-kickery. (I just made up a new word!) It is important to look good and feel good. It is real real nice to have 1000 gold (I can only guess). I plan on getting to that point, but I also plan on that taking a long time. If those goals were able to be accomplished in weeks or days I wouldn’t count them in my long-term goals list. I’d be angry in fact because my list just got shorter.
Going on most of the comments from people in the “pro-grinding” camp; I can only take home the fact that some people want their time to be worth more than mine.What if I told you those goals are now impossible without buying Gems? what will you do?
I’d tell you you’re talking kittenkittens… And suggest you actually try to demonstrate this with data before making absurd assertions that clearly aren’t true.
Way ahead of you
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/How-GW2-IS-becoming-a-Grind-MY-thoughts/page/3#post155137
You could try making the 50 gold by playing the game. Jon stated earlier today that dungeons are designed to be one of the best ways to make money. You get 13 silver for completing a dungeon now minus whatever you lose on repairs. That’s 385 dungeon runs to get your exotic gear. Does that sound reasonable to you?
I’d tell you you’re talking kittenkittens… And suggest you actually try to demonstrate this with data before making absurd assertions that clearly aren’t true.
Clearly aren’t true because…? Fact is that ArenaNet are nerfing every decent source of income, while also having huge gold sinks, like the Trading Post 15% cut and posting fee, repairs, waypoints. What I just mentioned is factual information, whereas you just said: “You’re not right. Period.”
Aed f’haeil moen Hirjeth taenverde.
I like to think long-term. I have long-term goals for what I want to accomplish in-game. Sort of a nebulous ever-changing miasma of adventure and kitten-kickery. (I just made up a new word!) It is important to look good and feel good. It is real real nice to have 1000 gold (I can only guess). I plan on getting to that point, but I also plan on that taking a long time. If those goals were able to be accomplished in weeks or days I wouldn’t count them in my long-term goals list. I’d be angry in fact because my list just got shorter.
Going on most of the comments from people in the “pro-grinding” camp; I can only take home the fact that some people want their time to be worth more than mine.What if I told you those goals are now impossible without buying Gems? what will you do?
I’d tell you you’re talking kittenkittens… And suggest you actually try to demonstrate this with data before making absurd assertions that clearly aren’t true.
Alice, I’m realy tired of you trying so hard to discredit me. You obviously haven’t reached lvl 80 or haven’t been 80 long enough to even know about half the stuff I’m talking about. I used to get 26 silver a Run on COF, EVERY 80 and their MOTHER knows how much you got at the end of that dungeon. They just changed that to 2, It takes me twice that to get from Orr to FH. You maybe get downed like twice in COF, it happens, the repair is about 4-6 silver, or if you are downed alot in just a bad run up to 11 Silver, I don’t have a screenie with me so you will have to use your little imagination, OR ask ANYONE WHOS DONE IT. So now, yet again they destroyed our source of revenue. What do we do now… OH HEY LOOK GEMS! Are you dense? Or just ignorant?
It seems it is in the interest of some people to get this thread locked by increasing the kitten kitten trolling here. First they make personal attacks and false accusations, now they demand 100 Excel Spreadsheets.
I like to think long-term. I have long-term goals for what I want to accomplish in-game. Sort of a nebulous ever-changing miasma of adventure and kitten-kickery. (I just made up a new word!) It is important to look good and feel good. It is real real nice to have 1000 gold (I can only guess). I plan on getting to that point, but I also plan on that taking a long time. If those goals were able to be accomplished in weeks or days I wouldn’t count them in my long-term goals list. I’d be angry in fact because my list just got shorter.
Going on most of the comments from people in the “pro-grinding” camp; I can only take home the fact that some people want their time to be worth more than mine.What if I told you those goals are now impossible without buying Gems? what will you do?
I’d tell you you’re talking kittenkittens… And suggest you actually try to demonstrate this with data before making absurd assertions that clearly aren’t true.
Alice, I’m realy tired of you trying so hard to discredit me. You obviously haven’t reached lvl 80 or haven’t been 80 long enough to even know about half the stuff I’m talking about. I used to get 26 silver a Run on COF, EVERY 80 and their MOTHER knows how much you got at the end of that dungeon. They just changed that to 2, It takes me twice that to get from Orr to FH. You maybe get downed like twice in COF, it happens, the repair is about 4-6 silver, or if you are downed alot in just a bad run up to 11 Silver, I don’t have a screenie with me so you will have to use your little imagination, OR ask ANYONE WHOS DONE IT. So now, yet again they destroyed our source of revenue. What do we do now… OH HEY LOOK GEMS! Are you dense? Or just ignorant?
It seems it is in the interest of some people to get this thread locked by increasing the kitten kitten trolling here. First they make personal attacks and false accusations, now they demand 100 Excel Spreadsheets.
Oh yes, It’s quite obvious, so I even edited my original post and apologize for making Alice seem as though he/she is unwelcome. Let me make it clear it isn’t he/she which is unwelcome, it’s ignorant, deliberate, obvious troll attacks that are.
Well I am no part of NcSoft but I can attempt to put out a response to this.
ahem
Alright so you’re wondering why, NcSoft, tried to make the game not require grinding, yet end game is a grind fest. Simple, if you make any game not require any part of grinding it begins to get relatively easy, and things that are relatively easy have no play through value. You need something to work for and if it’s all given to you what are you playing? I think they want to focus on late game more than early game because Once you’re max level theres nothing to do but grind dungeons for better equipment and PVP. And if you got your Equipment the second you killed the boss of a dungeon then what fun is that?
Most mmo’s use this logic to try and keep the longevity of the game. But some use it just to prolong the game until they can come out with updates and patches for it so it keeps the players interested still, until release date of the new major patches. This is my opinion of the scenario I hope it may help.
I like to think long-term. I have long-term goals for what I want to accomplish in-game. Sort of a nebulous ever-changing miasma of adventure and kitten-kickery. (I just made up a new word!) It is important to look good and feel good. It is real real nice to have 1000 gold (I can only guess). I plan on getting to that point, but I also plan on that taking a long time. If those goals were able to be accomplished in weeks or days I wouldn’t count them in my long-term goals list. I’d be angry in fact because my list just got shorter.
Going on most of the comments from people in the “pro-grinding” camp; I can only take home the fact that some people want their time to be worth more than mine.What if I told you those goals are now impossible without buying Gems? what will you do?
I’d tell you you’re talking kittenkittens… And suggest you actually try to demonstrate this with data before making absurd assertions that clearly aren’t true.
Alice, I’m realy tired of you trying so hard to discredit me. You obviously haven’t reached lvl 80 or haven’t been 80 long enough to even know about half the stuff I’m talking about. I used to get 26 silver a Run on COF, EVERY 80 and their MOTHER knows how much you got at the end of that dungeon. They just changed that to 2, It takes me twice that to get from Orr to FH. You maybe get downed like twice in COF, it happens, the repair is about 4-6 silver, or if you are downed alot in just a bad run up to 11 Silver, I don’t have a screenie with me so you will have to use your little imagination, OR ask ANYONE WHOS DONE IT. So now, yet again they destroyed our source of revenue. What do we do now… OH HEY LOOK GEMS! Either you are dense, ignorant, or haven’t hit 80…. IF it’s the Latter I suggest you get there before acting like you are on equal ground.
You are making a lot of baseless assertions and extreme claims. You certainly aren’t backing them up with anything other than sensationalism.
I’ve been 80 for quite a while now, long enough to have my first set of gear complete, full explorers and now working on my second set for dungeons.
I earn 2 gold a day on average despite travelling and deaths and that’s just from mostly playing, exploring and having fun.
Acquiring my first set of gear wasn’t remotely the chore you seem to think it was. It just took 400 in the appropriate crafting choices and the items I found exploring the world.
And throwing out ad hominem and appeal to seniority at the end of your rambling in order to undermine my very simple request that you justify your sensationalism is really low and pretty much demonstrates you’ve got nothing.
What is ironic is that I did consider spending some money to buy some gems for storage, extra slots, and some dyes. Maybe even more stuff. That was before I was level 80 and before they started making patch changes.
They made dyes be character only and not account-wide.
Exotics cost was increased 10 times or so – karma and gold.
Professions and dungeons were nerfed to take a lot longer to be rewarding, if at all.
Here is what I wanted to do:
Get to level 80, get my exotics within 20 hours or so, do some WvW, level 2-3 alts, gear them the same way, and then do dungeons and WvW with guildies. If I could do that, that would have justified investing in some gems.
However, grinding for gear is not a productive use of my time. As this seems to be the only way to get up-to-par stats, I have since reconsidered investing more money in this game.
I like to think long-term. I have long-term goals for what I want to accomplish in-game. Sort of a nebulous ever-changing miasma of adventure and kitten-kickery. (I just made up a new word!) It is important to look good and feel good. It is real real nice to have 1000 gold (I can only guess). I plan on getting to that point, but I also plan on that taking a long time. If those goals were able to be accomplished in weeks or days I wouldn’t count them in my long-term goals list. I’d be angry in fact because my list just got shorter.
Going on most of the comments from people in the “pro-grinding” camp; I can only take home the fact that some people want their time to be worth more than mine.What if I told you those goals are now impossible without buying Gems? what will you do?
I’d tell you you’re talking kittenkittens… And suggest you actually try to demonstrate this with data before making absurd assertions that clearly aren’t true.
Alice, I’m realy tired of you trying so hard to discredit me. You obviously haven’t reached lvl 80 or haven’t been 80 long enough to even know about half the stuff I’m talking about. I used to get 26 silver a Run on COF, EVERY 80 and their MOTHER knows how much you got at the end of that dungeon. They just changed that to 2, It takes me twice that to get from Orr to FH. You maybe get downed like twice in COF, it happens, the repair is about 4-6 silver, or if you are downed alot in just a bad run up to 11 Silver, I don’t have a screenie with me so you will have to use your little imagination, OR ask ANYONE WHOS DONE IT. So now, yet again they destroyed our source of revenue. What do we do now… OH HEY LOOK GEMS! Either you are dense, ignorant, or haven’t hit 80…. IF it’s the Latter I suggest you get there before acting like you are on equal ground.
You are making a lot of baseless assertions and extreme claims. You certainly aren’t backing them up with anything other than sensationalism.
I’ve been 80 for quite a while now, long enough to have my first set of gear complete, full explorers and now working on my second set for dungeons.
I earn 2 gold a day on average despite travelling and deaths and that’s just from mostly playing, exploring and having fun.
Acquiring my first set of gear wasn’t remotely the chore you seem to think it was. It just took 400 in the appropriate crafting choices and the items I found exploring the world.
And throwing out ad hominem and appeal to seniority at the end of your rambling in order to undermine my very simple request that you justify your sensationalism is really low and pretty much demonstrates you’ve got nothing.
No, really go on. I like the big words you use. Especially the part where you just don’t get it at all. I’m not here to rally a cause, but you seem to desperately try again and again to discredit me, not my argument but me. I’ve got Nothing? I’ve got a Receipt for GW2 sir, same as you.
Your effort to either drive me into a rage, or publicly try to diffuse my relationship with my fellow veteran players is astounding, but nonetheless you cannot shake my resolve.
I don;t need proof when the proof is all over the forums. So many topics about the same issues, are you now going to try and convince us that those are all me? Sir you are out of line, I ask that you speak with respect and that if you are going to insult my standing come at me with some better ammo. AT LEAST something better than: “you aint got no data charts”
Wow….
Guys you do know this is a VIDEO game right?!?
If a video game is making you this mad, how about you just don’t play? It’s a video game.
OP no offense trying to help you out, it honestly sounds like you just need to take a break. You hit 80 in 3 days…. Again it’s just a video game, no reason to equate a video game to real life references of killing yourself… Or choosing which way to burn to death… Seriously.. If the game is making you THAT unhappy then don’t play it, or take a break! I’m still blown away by how people let this consume their lives so much that they try and equate doing something in a video game to being lit on fire….
Seriously there Are a lot of people having a good time, including myself (call me a fanboy, shouldnt be afraid of expressing our consumer views on the forums… That works both ways op) stop coming on to the forums and flaming it up trying to ruin everyone else’s good time. If its really making you rage this much then stop playing.
USMC 1st Battalion 10th Marines
Guardian-Blueprinted, Warrior- Grizzilli
[JCM] Guild: Ehmry Bay WvW
Guardian-Blueprinted, Warrior- Grizzilli
[JCM] Guild: Ehmry Bay WvW
Wow….
Guys you do know this is a VIDEO game right?!?
If a video game is making you this mad, how about you just don’t play? It’s a video game.
OP no offense trying to help you out, it honestly sounds like you just need to take a break. You hit 80 in 3 days…. Again it’s just a video game, no reason to equate a video game to real life references of killing yourself… Or choosing which way to burn to death… Seriously.. If the game is making you THAT unhappy then don’t play it, or take a break! I’m still blown away by how people let this consume their lives so much that they try and equate doing something in a video game to being lit on fire….
Seriously there Are a lot of people having a good time, including myself (call me a fanboy, shouldnt be afraid of expressing our consumer views on the forums… That works both ways op) stop coming on to the forums and flaming it up trying to ruin everyone else’s good time. If its really making you rage this much then stop playing.
No, Blueprint, I don’t think you understand. If you don’t hate the game, you’re a fanboy.
The “proof” that is “all over the forums” is a lot of the same people, who have raved and ranted and had their topics locked, that just open up another similar topic.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If you are not happy with the “end game” and how you aquire the legendary sets, thats a valid point of view as a personal opinion. The legendary sets seem to be purely optional asthetic options for people who actually enjoy the game. Why does that make you angry?
No matter how hard an entertainment company tries, they will never please everyone. If you are not happy, take your receipt and ask for your money back, and failing that I would say do the reasonable thing and do not play any more or even just wait for more content to be released.
Wow….
Guys you do know this is a VIDEO game right?!?
If a video game is making you this mad, how about you just don’t play? It’s a video game.
OP no offense trying to help you out, it honestly sounds like you just need to take a break. You hit 80 in 3 days…. Again it’s just a video game, no reason to equate a video game to real life references of killing yourself… Or choosing which way to burn to death… Seriously.. If the game is making you THAT unhappy then don’t play it, or take a break! I’m still blown away by how people let this consume their lives so much that they try and equate doing something in a video game to being lit on fire….
Seriously there Are a lot of people having a good time, including myself (call me a fanboy, shouldnt be afraid of expressing our consumer views on the forums… That works both ways op) stop coming on to the forums and flaming it up trying to ruin everyone else’s good time. If its really making you rage this much then stop playing.
I remember a couple of month ago when people were still excited about GW2 trying to break the mold, what changed to make you become complacent to playing another WoW clone?
Wow….
Guys you do know this is a VIDEO game right?!?
If a video game is making you this mad, how about you just don’t play? It’s a video game.
OP no offense trying to help you out, it honestly sounds like you just need to take a break. You hit 80 in 3 days…. Again it’s just a video game, no reason to equate a video game to real life references of killing yourself… Or choosing which way to burn to death… Seriously.. If the game is making you THAT unhappy then don’t play it, or take a break! I’m still blown away by how people let this consume their lives so much that they try and equate doing something in a video game to being lit on fire….
Seriously there Are a lot of people having a good time, including myself (call me a fanboy, shouldnt be afraid of expressing our consumer views on the forums… That works both ways op) stop coming on to the forums and flaming it up trying to ruin everyone else’s good time. If its really making you rage this much then stop playing.
I remember a couple of month ago when people were still excited about GW2 trying to break the mold, what changed to make you become complacent to playing another WoW clone?
Anti-fanboy fanboyism?
Then I will say this NOW, after you have done all these story modes/exp all you have LEFT is the rewards from dong them swiftly and skillfully.
You mean the rewards that get diminished as if to say “quit being good at dungeons/video games.” If you manage to complete dungeons fast.
Right!
What ANET should have done: Not nerf dungeons at all – buff the “harder routes” with more token rewards.
What they did: Make dungeons a chore. Not a game mechanic. They’re pushing it to “Once a day dungeon grind” if you don’t wish to dedicate a full 10 hours to grind dungeons 13 times to ensure you don’t push the “anti-dungeon-farm” threshold.
Then I will say this NOW, after you have done all these story modes/exp all you have LEFT is the rewards from dong them swiftly and skillfully.
You mean the rewards that get diminished as if to say “quit being good at dungeons/video games.” If you manage to complete dungeons fast.
Right!
What ANET should have done: Not nerf dungeons at all – buff the “harder routes” with more token rewards.
What they did: Make dungeons a chore. Not a game mechanic. They’re pushing it to “Once a day dungeon grind” if you don’t wish to dedicate a full 10 hours to grind dungeons 13 times to ensure you don’t push the “anti-dungeon-farm” threshold.
What they SHOULD have done was add a set of exotic armor that is actually attainable in a reasonable amount of time but doesn’t look as cool as the dungeon prestige armor.
All they have to do to fix this whole issue it to give the ugly yellow armor on the dungeon armor the same stats as the prestige armor.
All this talk of “rewards” is very strange. I played all the Devil May Cry games (except 2) a dozen times each, and I never got any virtual gold or fancy armours.
I played Demon’s and Dark Souls for 200+ hours each, and I already had everything after the first playthrough of each.
And so on and so forth….
I’m pretty sure most of the people here whining about “rewards” would play other (single player) games just like I do, so why are their heads suddenly turned the wrong way when it comes to MMOs? (I noticed this in Diablo 3 as well – the “greedy gamer” is very dominant there too.)
People really need to learn a bit of perspective on the true value of pixels and numbers in a database somewhere. If the enjoyment of playing the game isnt it’s own reward, you really need to rethink why you’re playing in the first place.
It’s as if everyone is happily playing Tetris for years, and then they discover some sort of bonus “You Win” screen if you’ve played the game 10,000 times. All of a sudden people start complaining, “What?! 10,000 times for a lousy screen? That’s hardly worth it at all! I’m quitting Tetris until they fix this!”
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You banned players for buying Karma weapons and selling them back to the venders for in game currency… Explain to me how this is different from buying Gems and “Trading” (selling) them for in game currency. In essence it’s not, you labeled it an exploit because players found a system in which they could exchange Karma for in game currency. So instead of explaining WHY this was an exploit you banned the accounts and labeled it an exploit. Once again punishing the players for THINKING. Really, what is wrong for exchanging Karma for Gold? I’ll tell you, it takes away from the money you make from people buying Gems. Of course you don’t want to say that, but you have a business and you want to keep it that way.
Stopped reading right here. You should educate yourself by reading what ANet posted about why they were banning people during that incident. Protip: the exchange rate.
a shard of crystal in the desert.
I see a lot of posts saying “Oh you want to beat the game in the first week, your uber dumb”. I don’t think its that we want to beat the game, we just want to know there is a path to it. Right now they are saying “Do what you want”, what they are really saying is “We dont know what to have you do”, at least it seems that way.
A lot of people see progression in a game as dungeon clearing. I know there are no raids (My god, could imagine getting 30 people with random agro tables taking out clothies?) so a lot of people are looking at 5 man dungeons as game progressing, and since they have made it clear they don’t want us to “farm” them, we are kind of lost as what to do.
Not everyone finds running around a map till you have been on the top of every mountain as fun as others. The combat in this game is solid and fun, I would rather see harder 5 mans come out, and figure out how to give us rewards for finishing them. Maybe a dungeon that works like a raid, once a week, hard bosses, good loot drops. Even if its long and is saved.
I would just prefer competitive play in WvW and PVE to be less time-investment based.
So I started in the {played 3 betas before} “head start” – this was 3 days before the actual release- and needless to say I enjoyed myself (I hit 80 in 3 days).
While I don’t like to dismiss anyone out of hand, I do have a hard time taking the complaints of someone who raced to max level in three days as a valid point of view to then complain about that character’s personal finances or the game’s supposed ‘lack of balance.’
GW2 — heck, any MMO, I’d wager — is not designed nor intended to accomodate people who get to max level in three days. Heck, probably not even three weeks, or — dare I say it — even three months. The designers expect you to explore, do other stuff, try side missions, quest outside your beeline through the region, experiment with other characters, etc. — not just race directly towards the end goal. Most of that other stuff is in there explicitly to provide additional money, gear, karma, experience, etc., etc. that you will need as you make your way towards max level.
It’s like complaining about how your car ran out of gas on a cross-country road trip when you deliberately avoided refilling the tank along the way.
I don’t mind it taking a long time and saving up to acquire something in game, but we need to keep two things in mind.
First, make sure there is a variety of ways and places to get what is needed. Be that gold or karma or tokens or crafting mats or skill points or whatever. If you don’t want it to seem like a grind then allow us to simply choose what it is we want to do and slowly reward that with what we will need. If you force us to go to a particular place and kill thousands of a specific mob to get say ectos then we will have a problem. As a positive example, the leveling in this game was great in this regard. We could pretty much do what you want and you would get exp for it. That is great design. On the other hand, having to run a particular dungeon’s explorables in order to get a specific token to buy a certain armor is perhaps not the best idea since people will obviously have to farm that dungeon to get a particular set. Let people do a variety of dungeons if they want.
Second. While we want to have choices, don’t punish us for choosing a favorite. That is, if we choose to farm a particular instance because we like it the best then that is our choice. If we want to stay in one area of the world and slaughter a particular mob over and over then that is our choice. If we are doing this because there is an imbalance then fix the imbalance rather than punish the choice. Some people like doing things repetitively. Why? I dunno. Why did lineage 2 do so well for so many years. And yes, it did well in Asia. I played L2 for a while and people would get a group together to go to the ancient battlegrounds and just farm for an hour or two. we would chat and have a great time as a group doing what would otherwise drive me nuts alone. But in a group it was fine. My point is, if people are legitimately playing the game, that is, not using a bot, then let them play they way they want to. Kill the botters but don’t punish the weirdos for simply doing their thing.
All this talk of “rewards” is very strange. I played all the Devil May Cry games (except 2) a dozen times each, and I never got any virtual gold or fancy armours.
I played Demon’s and Dark Souls for 200+ hours each, and I already had everything after the first playthrough of each.
And so on and so forth….
I’m pretty sure most of the people here whining about “rewards” would play other (single player) games just like I do, so why are their heads suddenly turned the wrong way when it comes to MMOs? (I noticed this in Diablo 3 as well – the “greedy gamer” is very dominant there too.)
People really need to learn a bit of perspective on the true value of pixels and numbers in a database somewhere. If the enjoyment of playing the game isnt it’s own reward, you really need to rethink why you’re playing in the first place.
It’s as if everyone is happily playing Tetris for years, and then they discover some sort of bonus “You Win” screen if you’ve played the game 10,000 times. All of a sudden people start complaining, “What?! 10,000 times for a lousy screen? That’s hardly worth it at all! I’m quitting Tetris until they fix this!”
I think you have your genres confused. This is an RPG. The games you mentioned are not RPGs. RPGs, especially in video games (as opposed to table-top versions), emphasize character advancement. That is a core concept. If you don’t believe me, go read about it on Wikipedia. Rewards serve to advance your character. They make your armor more protective, your sword more destructive, your intellect wittier, or your strength greater. So your character can slay an even bigger dragon next time his home town is threatened. That’s what its all about.
I don’t mind it taking a long time and saving up to acquire something in game, but we need to keep two things in mind.
First, make sure there is a variety of ways and places to get what is needed. Be that gold or karma or tokens or crafting mats or skill points or whatever. If you don’t want it to seem like a grind then allow us to simply choose what it is we want to do and slowly reward that with what we will need. If you force us to go to a particular place and kill thousands of a specific mob to get say ectos then we will have a problem. As a positive example, the leveling in this game was great in this regard. We could pretty much do what you want and you would get exp for it. That is great design. On the other hand, having to run a particular dungeon’s explorables in order to get a specific token to buy a certain armor is perhaps not the best idea since people will obviously have to farm that dungeon to get a particular set. Let people do a variety of dungeons if they want.
Second. While we want to have choices, don’t punish us for choosing a favorite. That is, if we choose to farm a particular instance because we like it the best then that is our choice. If we want to stay in one area of the world and slaughter a particular mob over and over then that is our choice. If we are doing this because there is an imbalance then fix the imbalance rather than punish the choice. Some people like doing things repetitively. Why? I dunno. Why did lineage 2 do so well for so many years. And yes, it did well in Asia. I played L2 for a while and people would get a group together to go to the ancient battlegrounds and just farm for an hour or two. we would chat and have a great time as a group doing what would otherwise drive me nuts alone. But in a group it was fine. My point is, if people are legitimately playing the game, that is, not using a bot, then let them play they way they want to. Kill the botters but don’t punish the weirdos for simply doing their thing.
FINALLY! Waiting for someone to say this, I couldn’t come up with the words myself, but you sir/ma’am, did an excellent job with these statements.
I agree with the OP in regards to the fact that I was having PLENTY of fun up to level 80, more so than I have had in any other MMO before Guild Wars 2. Upon reaching that level, I constantly found myself wondering what to do that wasn’t a grind and I found running CoF to be the best (Yes, it is a grind, I know) thing to do in terms of getting money, looking forward to a new set of armor that was far better than mine, and just to get to know people, but once the patch hit…
Never again will I touch the dungeon system again, not after doing a hard dungeon only to get little to no reward, or even “paying” for the run through repairs.
I came into this game HOPING that ArenaNet, after a successful time with GW1, would deliver on their promises of “We don’t want players to grind in Guild Wars 2. No one enjoys it, no one finds it fun.” (Guild Wars 2 Manifesto video)
What else does ArenaNet want us to do? We now have VERY little income after the latest patch. Farming is technically still grinding, to me anyway and I don’t feel like wasting the time I do have to play farming for items that someone is sooner or later make a bigger profit on.
I am, sorry WAS, slowly working towards a Tier 3 Cultural Armor set, and was doing fine with the CoF runs in terms of having an income but seeing as dungeon runs are basically useless now, I have very little to fall back on like some other people I know.
All in all, I’m not sure if I can stick with this at the rate it’s going. These changes are for ArenaNet, not the players. This game is about the players, at least it was before release, and now it… Turned to the side of big business.
I was doing COF runs to do two things at once: 1 Get tokens for the gear I wanted and, 2: Get 26-40 silver per run to buy some upgrades armor and weapon wise. they just nerfed the amount of money you get to 2 Silver from 26 Silver to 2. CM I heard it went from 50 Silver to 85 copper.
Is that true? I seriously hope that it isn’t. I make enough negative feedback posts here as it is, without having to be disgusted at more intentional player hindering.
“We just don’t want players to grind in Guild Wars 2,
no one enjoys that, no one finds it fun.” – Colin Johanson
R.I.P. in piece, Guild Wars 2, August 2012 – September 2012
no one enjoys that, no one finds it fun.” – Colin Johanson
R.I.P. in piece, Guild Wars 2, August 2012 – September 2012
Ok, just going to comment on a few things I’ve read so far.
1: You rushed to 80, admitted you got there in 3 days, then decided to “grind” dungeons to get the sets. That’s your fault. As an earlier poster said you want everything NOW. Get over yourself. In 1 MONTH a person that plays an ungodly amount of time, such as yourself, will have all of the dungeon armors they are after. Just because you don’t have everything the second you hit 80 you decided to say the grind is too much for you. Just how long do you grind for a complete set in other games? Let’s take WoW for example. You could do the same instance month after month after month and not get the items you are after. Same for just about any other MMO. I see people in trade advertising for speed clears of explorer mode farms. They say they do it in 10-15 minutes. I’ve read it takes about 50 runs to get a full set of gear, could be more or less. Let’s say it does take 50 runs, at 15 minutes that’s 4 an hour or roughly 13 hours. That’s NOT a lot of time. Do some take longer, I’d assume so as this is a MMORPG not a Single Player game. You don’t pay a sub fee so you can keep coming back and doing them whenever you please.
2. ANet has not once said there wouldn’t be a gear grind in the game. You find me a link and I’ll admit I was wrong. The only mention of no grind was in leveling and that part was 100% true. I completed every map I came across to 100% then moved to the next. If you consider killing X number of mobs to be a grind then you should stop playing any game that has leveling as that’s all you do in every one of them, even CoD. Just because you hit 80 and weren’t automatically decked out in exotics doesn’t mean the gear isn’t easy to acquire.
3. Just how are they promoting the Gem Store? There’s not a single thing in there that helps you out in any way, other then the boosters and my bank is full of those from completing maps and dailies. I farm nodes and sell everything on the TC. I’ve not spent a dime, over the purchase price of the game, on Gems yet I’ve been able to buy around 2k with the gold I’ve earned in game. I could easily buy more if I actually needed anything off of there, but I don’t.
4. There isn’t anything wrong with buying things with Karma and selling them for gold unless said Karma item is obviously bugged and showing a price several times lower than any other item. If 99% of items are showing XXXXX Karma price and another is listed for XX Karma then it should be fairly obvious to EVERYONE that something is wrong. If you then proceed to buy thousands upon thousands of the obviously mispriced item then don’t get mad when you get a temp ban, should have stuck with the perma ban but hey, not my game.
I would go on but it’s pointless.
OK so its been like what 3 week?
You are telling us that you are upset because you can not have the best of the best items in 3 weeks?
In an MMO?
Seriously?
I’m lvl 61 right now, and I am enjoying the game to it’s full extent! And I will be playing this game for a long time to come.
The problem that you have is that you just simply burned out on the game! You most likely played for 8+ hours a day, every day and now that you are bored of it, so you cry and cry.
Sorry dude, but it’s not our problem that you think you are entitled to everything right away, and that you think you should be able to beat the game within the first month!
Besides, I have a feeling that you are the type of person that goes to the forums of every new game that you buys to kitten about something!
And I can tell that if you did get your wish, and you actually would acquire the best items in the game, you would be here right now complaining and crying about how short the game is and how you have nothing to do because you beat it all.
Call back when you’re level 80 and you’re farming the same events in Orr over and over again to get your armor. Tell me how much fun you’ll be having then.
I’ve been 80 for the past several days, going on a week, and I’m having fun still. Then again I’m somewhat intelligent and don’t just do 1 thing to make my money. I farm mats, run events, run dungeons, play the TC, and many other things. It’s not anyone’s fault but your own that you do 1 thing and 1 thing only.
I like to think long-term. I have long-term goals for what I want to accomplish in-game. Sort of a nebulous ever-changing miasma of adventure and kitten-kickery. (I just made up a new word!) It is important to look good and feel good. It is real real nice to have 1000 gold (I can only guess). I plan on getting to that point, but I also plan on that taking a long time. If those goals were able to be accomplished in weeks or days I wouldn’t count them in my long-term goals list. I’d be angry in fact because my list just got shorter.
Going on most of the comments from people in the “pro-grinding” camp; I can only take home the fact that some people want their time to be worth more than mine.What if I told you those goals are now impossible without buying Gems? what will you do?
I’d tell you you’re talking kittenkittens… And suggest you actually try to demonstrate this with data before making absurd assertions that clearly aren’t true.
Way ahead of you
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/How-GW2-IS-becoming-a-Grind-MY-thoughts/page/3#post155137You could try making the 50 gold by playing the game. Jon stated earlier today that dungeons are designed to be one of the best ways to make money. You get 13 silver for completing a dungeon now minus whatever you lose on repairs. That’s 385 dungeon runs to get your exotic gear. Does that sound reasonable to you?
With 2 hours of farming ore/lumber I made just over 10 gold. Now, that came from ore/wood/gems/coral and of course mob drops. I then proceeded to buy low/sell high for some of the items I’ve noticed on the TC for another 2 gold. So in just over 2 hours I made 12 gold. Yeah, ANet is really forcing me to use the Gem Store to get my gold. Ohhh, again, you just want to do 1 of 100 things to get your gold then get mad when you can’t do it anymore. By golly batman, you’re right! They are forcing YOU to use the Gem Store, sadly I’m not you so I don’t have to do that.
He might have to do only one thing because the particular gear set required by his favorite build is only available from one dungeon – for example. Also very likely.