Guild Wars 2

Please keep this thread troll / white knight free. I am just looking for an answer to this question for Arenanet from the players.

I can say for myself I most likely will not be around next month if I can’t even play the game for 15 minutes before I stop getting loot running around Orr/Frostgorge doing all kinds of different events. Also, its very frustrating that I stop getting badges in WvW after I kill many people in a short time.

For me this game will be another FFXIV unless something is done soon. Most MMOs I quit early because they have terrible design. GW2 is one of the few games that has good design and I hate to see it run into the ground by this draconian system that punishes real players more than bots.

Crazy idea I had as an alternative.

I think I should re-post that in Suggestions.

Also, to answer your question, years, considering the DR system hasn’t touched me.

I got dawn and will play till I least get sunrise. But after that there is nothing really appealing to a casual player like me. That said things can change and I hope my dwindling guild population has hope like I do that anet will correct it’s most glaring issues. Punishing players trying to earn money is the one issues that have forced us to see the realities of this game.

Well, I’m not lvl 80 yet, so I’ll stick with it for now, but if it isn’t fixed by the time I go into Orr, dungeons and WvW full time, that’s when I leave. I’ll keep following the news though and I’ll be ready to jump back in when it’s fixed as I love this game.

For me personally I already left. I’m mostly waiting to see how future patches go. DR was pretty far down the list of top reasons I stopped. tbh.

Not that its a small issue…its just i think there are much much bigger problems.

I will give it a few more weeks at best if they don’t get a handle on the bots and stop punishing me for having fun then I am gone. The DR system in this game is 100 times worse then FFXIV and it tanked harder then the Titanic.

I’ve already stopped playing and am monitoring the forum to see what the general consensus is too.

If there’s some form of indication ANet realise they’ve made a massive mistake then I might reconsider. I highly doubt this, as I’ve been assured by the “WhiteKnights” that ANet stick to their decisions and don’t respond well to pressure by the community.

I bet they respond well to not having any money or profit, though.

The amount of times I’ve read the phrase “dwindling guild population” or similar is shocking.

The game’s a month old!

DR, too many bots, 1-80 in under a week on moderate play time, little to fill your time with after that, WvWvW waiting times, little in the way of Dungeons to keep you interested.

Yup, I made a mistake buying this game in its current incarnation. That’s not to say it can’t be fixed.

I doubt it will be, but I live in hope.

I’ll be watching its progress though, that’s for sure.

In my opinion there is no point farming stuff with DR (or anti-farm code) : you can’t really optimize your playtime when the game already prevents you to do so. I’m not gonna roll on the “playing the game is free but looting isn’t” boogaloo though I understand this is a mechanic designed to punish bots, but I’m not comfortable when a rule stated for a specific groups of indivuduals impacts every player out there.

I too think it’s indeed a major design flaw, Arenanet wouldn’t have to punish every player because they have issues handling bots. Socialism in MMOs is plainly wrong, comrades.

I have never been hit by the DR yet. I play 1-2 hours a night in a single zone. So more than likely, I’ll continue to play as long as I can.

Sundial.9015:

I can say for myself I most likely will not be around next month if I can’t even play the game for 15 minutes before I stop getting loot running around Orr/Frostgorge doing all kinds of different events. Also, its very frustrating that I stop getting badges in WvW after I kill many people in a short time.

Just from this quote I can see that this is not the game for you.

And doing all kinds of different events within 15 minutes is quite a feat by itself. Having that result in DR restrictions would be nothing short of miraculous. Surely you exaggerate…

It really is not that hard to circumvent the DR system as a real person. And why people think they should be able to grind themselves silly and get all the top gear within a matter of days in a game that has been advertised as game that isn’t for grinders for years…well, that’s just really baffling.

Again, if this post is serious I really think this isn’t the game for you. Not as a joke but for real.

Considering how successful ff14 was, what can we say about the effectiveness, the reward and the thought process behind the implementation of a DR system?

Is there any game on the market with a similar model?

Gehenna.3625:

Sundial.9015:

I can say for myself I most likely will not be around next month if I can’t even play the game for 15 minutes before I stop getting loot running around Orr/Frostgorge doing all kinds of different events. Also, its very frustrating that I stop getting badges in WvW after I kill many people in a short time.

Just from this quote I can see that this is not the game for you.

And doing all kinds of different events within 15 minutes is quite a feat by itself. Having that result in DR restrictions would be nothing short of miraculous. Surely you exaggerate…

It really is not that hard to circumvent the DR system as a real person. And why people think they should be able to grind themselves silly and get all the top gear within a matter of days in a game that has been advertised as game that isn’t for grinders for years…well, that’s just really baffling.

Again, if this post is serious I really think this isn’t the game for you. Not as a joke but for real.

What’s wrong with his observation? I run at about 160% magic find and am capped out at about 2DEs before the cap takes effect. Just because you believe it isn’t the it does not mean it isn’t there for anyone elsee.

As long as the game is around,
honestly I really enjoy it and I am not affected by DR,
so as long as the servers are up I’m good

Gehenna.3625:

Sundial.9015:

I can say for myself I most likely will not be around next month if I can’t even play the game for 15 minutes before I stop getting loot running around Orr/Frostgorge doing all kinds of different events. Also, its very frustrating that I stop getting badges in WvW after I kill many people in a short time.

Just from this quote I can see that this is not the game for you.

And doing all kinds of different events within 15 minutes is quite a feat by itself. Having that result in DR restrictions would be nothing short of miraculous. Surely you exaggerate…

It really is not that hard to circumvent the DR system as a real person. And why people think they should be able to grind themselves silly and get all the top gear within a matter of days in a game that has been advertised as game that isn’t for grinders for years…well, that’s just really baffling.

Again, if this post is serious I really think this isn’t the game for you. Not as a joke but for real.

Im in a social casual guild, it took me a month to hit 80, I change activities after about an hour so in other games.

How is the game not for me?

I stuck it out for GW1 and I imagine I’ll stick it out through GW2. I’ve already figured out how not to get hit by it so it’s not bothering me anymore.

As others have said, I’ll be playing the game until I’m bored of it. I’ve yet to run into this DR system myself and I regularly play the same maps for hours at a time.

I stopped playing over a week ago mainly because of the DR. Playing a glass cannon thief, I get slapped with DR within 30mins of logging in regardless of how often I move around. Just not worth playing under these conditions. Will watch the forums off and on for a couple more weeks to see it anything changes. Although I expect it wont.

Kimhyuna.1035

I got dawn and will play till I least get sunrise. But after that there is nothing really appealing to a casual player like me. That said things can change and I hope my dwindling guild population has hope like I do that anet will correct it’s most glaring issues. Punishing players trying to earn money is the one issues that have forced us to see the realities of this game.

Wait-a-minute. I’m just trying to process this. You say that you already have a legendary in one sentence and then claim you’re a casual in the next.

Does not compute.

Anyway, as for the OP’s question. I’ve never been impacted by the DR. So the question is moot for me.

99% of those not effected my DR aren’t 80. Ignorance is bliss.

Stopped playing completely 3 days ago after trying to avoid DR while farming…..cant.

Monitoring the forums. Maybe ill roll a friggin Panda..who knows.

PS Anet by their own admission said they expected around 5% to make legandarys. If you have one already, Anet doesn’t consider you casual.

Evil.9061:

99% of those not effected my DR aren’t 80. Ignorance is bliss.

Level 80 unaffected by the DR system here.

DusK.3849:

Evil.9061:

99% of those not effected my DR aren’t 80. Ignorance is bliss.

Level 80 unaffected by the DR system here.

of course

Dusk just curious how many achievement points and hours played do you have?

Just a question not baiting your or what not.

I have two characters at level 25 and really having starting sPvPing a majority of my play time. I am a working professional who plays casualcore and have had a blast.

I am who this game is made for.

If you are a compulsive gamer who must grind out the top rewards for 40 hours a week in order to get that sense of accomplishment, this game was not made for you. Please exit to another MMO to satisfy your needs and enjoy coming back when there is more content to satisfy you.

Please do not continue to try and ruin this game for well-rounded individuals. Anet has your $60 dollars and you have had your 200+ hours of gameplay which should be a good enough arrangement for both sides.

It astonishes me how people can come to a forum and demand that they be allowed to mindlessly grind away their lives… I guess typically games make you pay monthly to eat your time, i can understand the confusion that Anet doesn’t want to eat your time and wont charge you for it.

Evil.9061:

Dusk just curious how many achievement points and hours played do you have?

Just a question not baiting your or what not.

231 hours, 1030 points.

DusK.3849:

Evil.9061:

Dusk just curious how many achievement points and hours played do you have?

Just a question not baiting your or what not.

231 hours, 1030 points.

Im about the same, but I just dont see how you couldn’t have hit loot DR if you are a half competent player. Not saying you are not competent because clearly I don’t know how you play the game.

Care to enlighten us how you play GW2? Because the way I play it I stop getting kitten for loot after even just half an hour.

DusK.3849:

Evil.9061:

Dusk just curious how many achievement points and hours played do you have?

Just a question not baiting your or what not.

231 hours, 1030 points.

330hours 1304 points. Though i have to admit a lot of that is standing around ( like now, logged in but tabbed out till im kicked.) Not a contest, just curious as you have been one of the games bigger defenders as to how much you were playing. Thanks

PS I too cant seem to beat the DR, and from what i can tell im not in the minority. Whats your secret?

its ALWAYS ALWAYS the same small group of people complaining.

Sundial

Care to enlighten us how you play GW2? Because the way I play it I stop getting kitten for loot after even just half an hour.

I bounce around a lot. I’m trying to get my 100%, so a lot of my time is spent slowly sweeping areas, doing DE’s and they come, filling hearts, finding vistas, doing skill challenges… Like 1-80, except now I’m max level. Really, there’s no difference. I’ve seen zero effect on my drops. My bag still fills up as quick as ever.

denyitbattle.2609:

I have two characters at level 25 and really having starting sPvPing a majority of my play time. I am a working professional who plays casualcore and have had a blast.

I am who this game is made for.

If you are a compulsive gamer who must grind out the top rewards for 40 hours a week in order to get that sense of accomplishment, this game was not made for you. Please exit to another MMO to satisfy your needs and enjoy coming back when there is more content to satisfy you.

Please do not continue to try and ruin this game for well-rounded individuals. Anet has your $60 dollars and you have had your 200+ hours of gameplay which should be a good enough arrangement for both sides.

It astonishes me how people can come to a forum and demand that they be allowed to mindlessly grind away their lives… I guess typically games make you pay monthly to eat your time, i can understand the confusion that Anet doesn’t want to eat your time and wont charge you for it.

May I ask how may gems you have bought? I wouldn’t even consider myself hardcore and I already spent $90 in the gem store. I am the kind of person they built the game for. They want me to keep spending my money on gems!

Having said that the current DR system is slapping me in the face every time I log in. I cant play how I want to play because now I have to run events twice as long for 60% less loot.

My friend is almost 80 and I want to help her with exotic gear. But I can’t help her unless I run events 20+ hours a day. And that’s simply not worth my time.

To all of you fan boys puffing out your chest screaming LEAVE! Your going to get your wish in 3 weeks if nothing changes. And when I leave so does my wallet!

DusK.3849:

Sundial

Care to enlighten us how you play GW2? Because the way I play it I stop getting kitten for loot after even just half an hour.

I bounce around a lot. I’m trying to get my 100%, so a lot of my time is spent slowly sweeping areas, doing DE’s and they come, filling hearts, finding vistas, doing ckill challenges… Like 1-80, except now I’m max level. Really, there’s no difference. I’ve seen zero effect on my drops. My bag still fills up as quick as ever.

So what will you do when you hit 100%?

Also, what if you at some point want a legendary weapon or new exotic set after that point?

Dusk, any way you can pm me your server, id love to see this in action. Seeing I have nothing to do in game, that would at least be something. Hell, id shoot you my vent info and you can teach me how you remain sane and profit.

I’ve not read though any replies, I’m just answering the OP. I have stopped playing. I will not continue playing until this stupid mechanic is lifted. END OF.

Sundial.9015:

So what will you do when you hit 100%?

Also, what if you at some point want a legendary weapon or new exotic set after that point?

I’ll cross that bridge when I get to it. One carrot at a time.

Dusk ole buddy still waiting for a server, or you can come to mine Blackgate. I’m very curious as how you’re skipping DR and making a profit would love to be taught your method. Vent is up and awaiting.

I’m still laughing about the “I am who this game was made for!” line.

So funny.

Is the sun shining up there denyitbattle, on that 3 million foot high horse you’ve become stuck on.

(Still giggling.)

I won’t be going anywhere any time son. granted, I don’t have any characters at 80 yet because I’m apparently the slowest leveler EVER (which I don’t mind, I’m in no rush). This game really -wasn’t- meant for people who feel the need to rush through everything and don’t have the patience to earn money for what they want over months instead of days/weeks.

Ronin.8095:

I’m still laughing about the “I am who this game was made for!” line.

So funny.

Is the sun shining up there denyitbattle, on that 3 million foot high horse you’ve become stuck on.

(Still giggling.)

Obviously I am not the only person the game is made for. But trust me on this they want to keep people like me. With out gem sales they will shut this game down faster then you can blink a eye.

Yeah, I do enjoy the virtual demonstration of the epitome of self-centered.

I am who this game was made for. My opinion..nay fact is the only that matters. All opposing views or observations will be met with condescension and obligatory "(insert game Fanboy) remarks.

Evil.9061:

Dusk ole buddy still waiting for a server, or you can come to mine Blackgate. I’m very curious as how you’re skipping DR and making a profit would love to be taught your method. Vent is up and awaiting.

What else could I possibly explain though? I mean seriously. Don’t sit at Pentinent all day. Move around. Do different DE’s. This has been proven to work. You don’t need me in vent to hold your hand.

My server’s Yak’s Bend, btw, and I have two active guilds on that server, so I’m not goin’ anywhere.

DusK.3849:

Evil.9061:

Dusk ole buddy still waiting for a server, or you can come to mine Blackgate. I’m very curious as how you’re skipping DR and making a profit would love to be taught your method. Vent is up and awaiting.

What else could I possibly explain though? I mean seriously. Don’t sit at Pentinent all day. Move around. Do different DE’s. This has been proven to work. You don’t need me in vent to hold your hand.

My server’s Yak’s Bend, btw, and I have two active guilds on that server, so I’m not goin’ anywhere.

I dont need you to hold my hand I just want to witness the gains so i can, once and for all proclaim your method as fact and a time/reward positive. I’ll come to yak’s bend then. Pm the vent info if possible.

Evil.9061:

Yeah, I do enjoy the virtual demonstration of the epitome of self-centered.

I am who this game was made for. My opinion..nay fact is the only that matters. All opposing views or observations will be met with condescension and obligatory "(insert game Fanboy) remarks.

Did I say make the game the way I want to play or QQ I am going to quit? No I did not! I am only asking for the game to be played the way Anet originally designed it. (A) With out bots (B) With out the stupid DR system that is supposed to hurt the bots but in fact the bots are laughing and its hurting everyone else. If that’s too much to ask for then I don’t deserve to play this game!

I think people misinterpret the primary purpose of the DR system. In whatever form it actually exists, I don’t think it’s about the bots (at least not primarily). Just something to think about.

How long will I play with the system as is? Forever. The game is awesome, and the DR system, whatever it actually is (since nobody actually knows) doesn’t bother me at all. I think it’s a good idea, for several reasons. I hope ArenaNet sticks to their guns.

you are grossly exaggerting, I can farm longer than I can bear at one single spot, certainly more than 15 minutes and you can just go to a different event or area when the loot stops.

I’ve got 2 lvl 80’s – 300+ hours in, 1400ish achievements, and nearly every path complete on explorables… and I have not noticed any DR on loot at ALL.
In fact, if I hadn’t browsed this forum just now, I wouldn’t even know it existed at all.

This just seems to me that people who aren’t getting “lucky” on their farming drops have found a scapegoat.

Fozzik.1742:

I think people misinterpret the primary purpose of the DR system. In whatever form it actually exists, I don’t think it’s about the bots (at least not primarily). Just something to think about.

How long will I play with the system as is? Forever. The game is awesome, and the DR system, whatever it actually is (since nobody actually knows) doesn’t bother me at all. I think it’s a good idea, for several reasons. I hope ArenaNet sticks to their guns.

If there going to keep the DR system in place so be it. Lower the cost of everything in the game so the small amount of gold that I have is worth something.

Never touched me, never will, can’t even begin to wrap my head around how this is a problem for anyone.

Sharpe.1485:

I’ve got 2 lvl 80’s – 300+ hours in, 1400ish achievements, and nearly every path complete on explorables… and I have not noticed any DR on loot at ALL.
In fact, if I hadn’t browsed this forum just now, I wouldn’t even know it existed at all.

This just seems to me that people who aren’t getting “lucky” on their farming drops have found a scapegoat.

And just how much gold are you making? Before DR I could make 7 gold in 4 hours running events. Now running the same events for twice the time gets me 3 gold. So year DR is effecting me.

If you have some miracle system PM it to me and I will give you 20% profit of what I make for a week!

Lv 80, hardcore gamer, only affected by DR once, after prolonged farming for potent bloods. Well, I ofcourse get less dungeon rewards after multiple runs, but that’s fine. Never got affected at DEs. I guess you should just vary your game, I’m doing tons of things, a dungeon there, a puzzle later, some WvW, some sPvP, dungeon again, farming and so. And not because ANet made me, but because its more enjoyable to do it this way. If I wasn’t logging in forums, I wouldn’t know about the DR probably and I’d consider the dungeon decreased rewards normal.

Soulwatcher.2604:

Sharpe.1485:

I’ve got 2 lvl 80’s – 300+ hours in, 1400ish achievements, and nearly every path complete on explorables… and I have not noticed any DR on loot at ALL.
In fact, if I hadn’t browsed this forum just now, I wouldn’t even know it existed at all.

This just seems to me that people who aren’t getting “lucky” on their farming drops have found a scapegoat.

And just how much gold are you making? Before DR I could make 7 gold in 4 hours running events. Now running the same events for twice the time gets me 3 gold. So year DR is effecting me.

If you have some miracle system PM it to me and I will give you 20% profit of what I make for a week!

I don’t make much gold at all, in fact I struggle to get by and be able to afford all the things that I want to afford, but it’s simply a long term goal.

I don’t really do events on repeat mode to farm gold, I just do a few events in Orr, farm a few mats, go do some explorables (different paths each time), you know, have a laugh with the folks in my guild.

I’ve even tried my hand at playing the TP, but even on the “great” deals, the profits are minimal.

Yet, if I need mats I can go farm them, if I need gold… I’ll just save what I can until I get there.

Soulwatcher.2604:

Fozzik.1742:

I think people misinterpret the primary purpose of the DR system. In whatever form it actually exists, I don’t think it’s about the bots (at least not primarily). Just something to think about.

How long will I play with the system as is? Forever. The game is awesome, and the DR system, whatever it actually is (since nobody actually knows) doesn’t bother me at all. I think it’s a good idea, for several reasons. I hope ArenaNet sticks to their guns.

If there going to keep the DR system in place so be it. Lower the cost of everything in the game so the small amount of gold that I have is worth something.

The gold you have is worth MORE because it’s more difficult to get. Making money more prevalent reduces its value (inflation). Keeping the amount of gold players have at a somewhat reasonable level is a really important part of keeping the economy healthy and providing longevity to the game. Gold should be hard to get. Meaningful rewards should take time. That’s what creates real value within the game.

Also, farming / grinding is a self-sabotage. Why should ArenaNet allow people to spoil the game and their own fun at the same time? When you grind / farm in most games, you get long-term rewards much more quickly by circumventing / gaming the mechanics, and you have a miserable, redundant, monotonous time doing it. So you end up very quickly having nothing left to strive for, and your whole experience in the game is a mad rush to min/max and “finish”. ArenaNet wants people to play this game differently than that. Take it or leave it. I think what they are doing is really smart. It’s definitely going to take some people time to adjust to the possibility of a different mindset, but I think it’ll make for a better game.