I Feel Lied To
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Contact customer support for a refund. General Discussion isn’t a good place to ask for a refund.
While I agree, and that is a very good argument against “vertical progression”…cool story bro.
stop putting this same material on the forums, if you’re smart enough to write this up, you should know there is a way to have this done. Look under refunds on the support section. This is not constructive or conversational, its subjective and worn out.
Also the ToS says they can change the game any time they want, you pay for the right to borrow their property to create a character. They are nice enough to have a 6 month return policy I believe, which is more than most companies. Sorry you feel lied to, have a nice day.
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So, I’m pretty angry right now.
I spent a lot of time, effort, energy, and gems into acquiring my two and a half exotic sets. I understood this to be an investment because, like GW1, this gear wouldn’t become obsolete.
With the implementation of Ascended gear, I’ve realized that this wasn’t the case. All of the gear that I so painstakingly earned and bought is now obsolete. I’ve realy worked for nothing.
I love the idea of horizontal progression – like GW1, working towards extra skins and other non-combat ways to differentiate your character. I feel chated, lied to, and deceived.
I would like a refund for my gems and for my exotic gear. Or, I would like them transmuted into Ascended gear.
Given exotics are still the “best-in-slot” available for everything except rings and back, how is your current set obsolete? The new ascended tier will be released over time, so you will still get some use out of the gear you have worked hard to obtain before you need to think about upgrading.
So, I’m pretty angry right now.
I spent a lot of time, effort, energy, and gems into acquiring my two and a half exotic sets. I understood this to be an investment because, like GW1, this gear wouldn’t become obsolete.
With the implementation of Ascended gear, I’ve realized that this wasn’t the case. All of the gear that I so painstakingly earned and bought is now obsolete. I’ve realy worked for nothing.
I love the idea of horizontal progression – like GW1, working towards extra skins and other non-combat ways to differentiate your character. I feel chated, lied to, and deceived.
I would like a refund for my gems and for my exotic gear. Or, I would like them transmuted into Ascended gear.
Given exotics are still the “best-in-slot” available for everything except rings and back, how is your current set obsolete? The new ascended tier will be released over time, so you will still get some use out of the gear you have worked hard to obtain before you need to think about upgrading.
And then the thing between Ascended and legendaries comes out.
And then the thing after legendaries
And then the thing after that.
And it’s just an endless grind that becomes obsolete in 6 months.
So, I’m pretty angry right now.
I spent a lot of time, effort, energy, and gems into acquiring my two and a half exotic sets. I understood this to be an investment because, like GW1, this gear wouldn’t become obsolete.
With the implementation of Ascended gear, I’ve realized that this wasn’t the case. All of the gear that I so painstakingly earned and bought is now obsolete. I’ve realy worked for nothing.
I love the idea of horizontal progression – like GW1, working towards extra skins and other non-combat ways to differentiate your character. I feel chated, lied to, and deceived.
I would like a refund for my gems and for my exotic gear. Or, I would like them transmuted into Ascended gear.
Given exotics are still the “best-in-slot” available for everything except rings and back, how is your current set obsolete? The new ascended tier will be released over time, so you will still get some use out of the gear you have worked hard to obtain before you need to think about upgrading.
And then the thing between Ascended and legendaries comes out.
And then the thing after legendaries
And then the thing after that.
And it’s just an endless grind that becomes obsolete in 6 months.
speculation and useless conjecture. Chris said no new tiers of gear and would release minimal upgrades on small curve through all of next year. And yes I know you dont believe them, they are liars and etc etc
speculation and useless conjecture.
Um, no?
lol, he said that ascended gear is going to be endgame for the next year
He also said that they want to continue increasing the power curve
I’m in the process of requesting a refund for the gems that I used to buy/upgrade my exotic gear that was done under the impression that there would be no grind.
“Our games aren’t about preparing to have fun, or about grinding for a future fun reward. Our games are designed to be fun from moment to moment.”
The best thing that they can do right now is to downgrade the Ascended gear to Exotic quality and release a new, good-faith update to take players’ minds off of this.
At best – this is going to divide the community and ruin the game. With Christmas coming up, new games are coming out – and if GW2 has this kind of division and controversy, I think it will go the way of the ToR.
While I’m not asking for a refund I do share some of the same feelings. I had been working on the exotic sets that I liked for their skins, but at this point with Ascended gear I’ve got no reason to continue. I’m also annoyed that I’ve now wasted my fine transmutation stones on items that are now obsolete.
At this point I just randomly jump into the game to chat with the guild for a bit before logging out for the night, I’ve only got 2 dungeon runs to complete the monthly but I can’t even work up the urge to play much longer than 10-30 mins. The creation of the Ascended tier and the vertical progression on the horizon has really crushed all the enthusiasm I once had for the game, but on the bright side I’ve finally got time to finish off some of my neglected games on steam and for Planetside 2.
speculation and useless conjecture.
Um, no?
lol, he said that ascended gear is going to be endgame for the next year
He also said that they want to continue increasing the power curve
Your post spoke of new tiers, new stats blah blah. They have said no new tiers and releasing ascended gradually through all of next year as a shallow power curve. You’re being dramatic because you want no power curve, its not a new set of gear entirely every 6 months, which is what your post said it is. Thats speculation and useless conjecture. You are speculating that we will need new gear every 6 months which is not what they have said and 2-3 items out of 12 do not make an entirely new set of gear either. So yes, what you have is speculation and useless conjecture, nothing factual.
I’m in the process of requesting a refund for the gems that I used to buy/upgrade my exotic gear that was done under the impression that there would be no grind.
“Our games aren’t about preparing to have fun, or about grinding for a future fun reward. Our games are designed to be fun from moment to moment.”
The best thing that they can do right now is to downgrade the Ascended gear to Exotic quality and release a new, good-faith update to take players’ minds off of this.
At best – this is going to divide the community and ruin the game. With Christmas coming up, new games are coming out – and if GW2 has this kind of division and controversy, I think it will go the way of the ToR.
So…just curious…are you going to turn your exotic gear back to ANet after they refund your gems? Thats what generally happens with refunds , you know.
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Raf Longshanks-80 Norn Guardian / 9 more alts of various lvls / Charter Member Altaholics Anon
I’m in the process of requesting a refund for the gems that I used to buy/upgrade my exotic gear that was done under the impression that there would be no grind.
“Our games aren’t about preparing to have fun, or about grinding for a future fun reward. Our games are designed to be fun from moment to moment.”
The best thing that they can do right now is to downgrade the Ascended gear to Exotic quality and release a new, good-faith update to take players’ minds off of this.
At best – this is going to divide the community and ruin the game. With Christmas coming up, new games are coming out – and if GW2 has this kind of division and controversy, I think it will go the way of the ToR.
And what about the people who have been working their rears off to get the ascended? just slap them in the face and say “well sorry, our gw1 fans want it this way”?
Absolutely. I’ll sure give them the gear back. I can buy MF yellows until I get the Ascended gear.
ANET has said that there will be a shallow power curve over the next year. As I’m stuck on Fractal lvl 2, I can’t even compete even if I wanted to.
Besides, any gear progression is not what I expected when I purchased this game, purchased my gems, and began playing. This is a material change that adversely influences my ability to enjoy the game. I don’t want to have to grind to stay ‘in the game’.
Absolutely. I’ll sure give them the gear back. I can buy MF yellows until I get the Ascended gear.
ANET has said that there will be a shallow power curve over the next year. As I’m stuck on Fractal lvl 2, I can’t even compete even if I wanted to.
Besides, any gear progression is not what I expected when I purchased this game, purchased my gems, and began playing. This is a material change that adversely influences my ability to enjoy the game. I don’t want to have to grind to stay ‘in the game’.
Thats all quite vague. Good Luck on getting refund based something as tenous as that though. Sounds like lawyer-speak for lets kitten the company.
PF/ GOAT on Tarnished Coast (Semi-Retired)
Raf Longshanks-80 Norn Guardian / 9 more alts of various lvls / Charter Member Altaholics Anon
Raf Longshanks-80 Norn Guardian / 9 more alts of various lvls / Charter Member Altaholics Anon
- happens… Deal with it!
How is this game, in any way, shape or form a “grind”?
Go out and get 300 ectos. That will answer that question quite succinctly.
Happens? Deal with it?
This community is almost as bad as ToR’s was when ToR was going downhill. No one wanted to criticize the company… and look what happened.
I’m suck on level 2 because everyone is well past me and it’s impossible to find a group.
I feel the need to remain on the edge of the power curve because I love to WvW.
speculation and useless conjecture.
Um, no?
lol, he said that ascended gear is going to be endgame for the next year
He also said that they want to continue increasing the power curve
Your post spoke of new tiers, new stats blah blah. They have said no new tiers and releasing ascended gradually through all of next year as a shallow power curve. You’re being dramatic because you want no power curve, its not a new set of gear entirely every 6 months, which is what your post said it is. Thats speculation and useless conjecture. You are speculating that we will need new gear every 6 months which is not what they have said and 2-3 items out of 12 do not make an entirely new set of gear either. So yes, what you have is speculation and useless conjecture, nothing factual.
They also said that they will likely release new tiers along with expansions.
You think they are just going to increase the power curve for the next year then just stop? Really? What would be the thought process there? If they are for an increasing power curve, they are going to keep doing it. If they are against it, they would stop it.
They have said they are going to continue increasing it. By what logic do you think they will stop increasing it?
Absolutely. I’ll sure give them the gear back. I can buy MF yellows until I get the Ascended gear.
ANET has said that there will be a shallow power curve over the next year. As I’m stuck on Fractal lvl 2, I can’t even compete even if I wanted to.
Who are you competing with? Since the patch I’ve only done the fractals once and run quite a few dungeons. I don’t even have exotics, but I’m able to play the content I enjoy without worrying that my gear isn’t good enough. That’s what the manifesto is about, it’s not a mandatory grind to get the best gear, because you don’t need it to access the content (with the exception of higher difficulty levels in the fractals).
Besides, any gear progression is not what I expected when I purchased this game, purchased my gems, and began playing. This is a material change that adversely influences my ability to enjoy the game. I don’t want to have to grind to stay ‘in the game’.
I’m sorry that you feel this way, but my only suggestion would be to not grind for ascended if you don’t want to. Other methods of acquiring ascended are in the works, so don’t force yourself to do something you don’t want to do. Play for fun, that’s what I do.
Edit: I just saw your follow-up post about enjoying WvW. I can see the point with being competitively geared there, but at this stage you can probably make do without ascended gear until it’s obtainable via PvP if you really don’t want to grind for it.
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speculation and useless conjecture.
Um, no?
lol, he said that ascended gear is going to be endgame for the next year
He also said that they want to continue increasing the power curve
Your post spoke of new tiers, new stats blah blah. They have said no new tiers and releasing ascended gradually through all of next year as a shallow power curve. You’re being dramatic because you want no power curve, its not a new set of gear entirely every 6 months, which is what your post said it is. Thats speculation and useless conjecture. You are speculating that we will need new gear every 6 months which is not what they have said and 2-3 items out of 12 do not make an entirely new set of gear either. So yes, what you have is speculation and useless conjecture, nothing factual.
They also said that they will likely release new tiers along with expansions.
You think they are just going to increase the power curve for the next year then just stop? Really? What would be the thought process there? If they are for an increasing power curve, they are going to keep doing it. If they are against it, they would stop it.
They have said they are going to continue increasing it. By what logic do you think they will stop increasing it?
you said every 6 months, now you are proposing year after year. You are trying to bolster your argument of saying everything is obsolete now because gear will be obsolete maybe in 2 years? What kind of argument is that? Im sorry Im just not as angry as you are about this, it just isnt that big of a deal to me. I would much rather them ignore all this crap and try to improve the wvw, spvp, skill selection, bugs, class balances..but all they get is this same drivel.
Quote where they said that, Apathy.
Which part?
Mike O’Brien:
More generally, I hope we’ve been clear that GW2 is not a game with virtually no stat progression in it like GW1 was. That’s why GW2 shipped with a higher level cap, and with a hard separation between PvE and PvP. In GW1 we never advanced the level cap through four campaigns/expansions. The game design didn’t allow for it. But GW2 was designed without those restrictions, and we’ve always expected that we will someday raise the level cap in GW2.
There’s also this
Hi Idredd,
Thanks for taking the time to post your question.
I will try to be as clear as possible:
We do not intend to deploy another tier/rarity of loot such as Rare>Exotic. However we also do not intend to make promises that can be misinterpreted moving forward.
Ascended Gear will be introduced throughout next year,and accessible through many game play activities rather than just on. -Through infusions and existing Tiers there will be the opportunity to increase stats or abilities on a low power curve through multiple types of gameplay in GW2.
The opportunity to enhance existing tiers of loot will not be through a regular cadence of monthly updates instead it is more likely to come from expansions or very big drops of content.
In retrospect Ascended should have been deployed pre launch and earn able throughout most activities in the game (which is how we are moving forward).
I’m suck on level 2 because everyone is well past me and it’s impossible to find a group.
I feel the need to remain on the edge of the power curve because I love to WvW.
If you had said PvP , I could maybe understand. But WvW is more about teamwork and the size of the zerg than any particular player having max stat gear. No matter what you tell yourself.
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Raf Longshanks-80 Norn Guardian / 9 more alts of various lvls / Charter Member Altaholics Anon
Raf Longshanks-80 Norn Guardian / 9 more alts of various lvls / Charter Member Altaholics Anon
How is this game, in any way, shape or form a “grind”?
It’s a grind, trust me.
When they said it wouldn’t be, shedloads will leave when new games are released, and there’s some real competition coming out just after Christmas.
Stark.1350:
“Once they improve drops in chests and off champions”
Dream on.
Jumping puzzles, love them or hate them, I hate them. Thread killer.
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How is this game, in any way, shape or form a “grind”?
It’s a grind, trust me.
When they said it wouldn’t be, shedloads will leave when new games are released, and there’s some real competition coming out just after Christmas.
Like what?
Elder Scrolls MMO is going to be TERRIBLE…and that’s the only MMO coming up that I know of.
In nowhere of any of your quoted posts do they talk about adding new tiers. They talk about enhancing existing tiers.
LOL!
By that logic, WoW doesn’t have gear progression. They are just “enhancing” the purple items.
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In nowhere of any of your quoted posts do they talk about adding new tiers. They talk about enhancing existing tiers.
LOL!
By that logic, WoW doesn’t have gear progression.
I’m refuting exactly what you said. You said they would add more tiers. They are not. I don’t think adding minor stat bonuses, which my guess is that will be what they are, will affect anyone’s game. But, we don’t know anything yet. I’m not going to sit here and argue with you over a guess on what the future will hold.
There is literally no guessing here.
They literally said that they are going to be raising the level cap and “enhancing” tiers (the same way WoW just “enhances” their purple items).
How either of these doesn’t obsolete your previous set is beyond me.
And how long would you continue to play this game with ZERO way of enhancing your character a little or by working towards new levels?
Just as long as I will play the game with them.
Until I get bored of the content.
I know it may be surprising for you, but not everyone plays a game so they can get their (over)participation ribbon so they can feel better about themselves.
To be honest, I played GW1 for three years because it was fun and there was always something new to do. I could explore new areas, quest for new weapon skins, and take part in weekend-events.
In GW2 I feel like I do not have the ability to do this because of the stress of keeping up with my gear.
But most importantly, I feel deceived. The money I spent on my exotic sets was done under the premise that it was the equivalent of GW1 armor – and we had no reason to expect any differently.
“Our games aren’t about preparing to have fun, or about grinding for a future fun reward. Our games are designed to be fun from moment to moment.”
Grinding for Ascended items is “grinding for a future fun reward.” They are not fun – especially when nobody else is running your fractal level. Thanks ANet for ruining this game and my investment.
Never mind. You win. Enjoy being stuck at 80 forever and doing things for no reward or any change to your character at all.
In this thread, enjoyment isn’t a reward.
Enjoy mindlessly grinding that treadmill just to validate yourself as a person.
painstakingly?
Exotic pieces practically fall from the sky while you play… they are so incredibly easy to acquire if the process was that tedious are arduous for you then you were obviously just not playing.
And how long would you continue to play this game with ZERO way of enhancing your character a little or by working towards new levels?
Judging from my experiences with GW1 quite a few years. I still hop in now and again to finish a few of the quest lines and have been thinking about doing a full run through again from Prophecies, just trying to pick which profession I want to do it with, but oh wait that game was “stagnant” and “not fun”.
So, I’m pretty angry right now.
I spent a lot of time, effort, energy, and gems into acquiring my two and a half exotic sets. I understood this to be an investment because, like GW1, this gear wouldn’t become obsolete.
With the implementation of Ascended gear, I’ve realized that this wasn’t the case. All of the gear that I so painstakingly earned and bought is now obsolete. I’ve realy worked for nothing.
I love the idea of horizontal progression – like GW1, working towards extra skins and other non-combat ways to differentiate your character. I feel chated, lied to, and deceived.
I would like a refund for my gems and for my exotic gear. Or, I would like them transmuted into Ascended gear.
Given exotics are still the “best-in-slot” available for everything except rings and back, how is your current set obsolete? The new ascended tier will be released over time, so you will still get some use out of the gear you have worked hard to obtain before you need to think about upgrading.
And then the thing between Ascended and legendaries comes out.
And then the thing after legendaries
And then the thing after that.
And it’s just an endless grind that becomes obsolete in 6 months.
Right, people like you are whats making these forums worse and worse.
They said they should have had ascended at release. But clearly it wasn’t implemented yet. They go on to say that there will be no new gear for the forseeable future, and that the rest of ascended will take like a year before you can even get the full set.
But keep on keepin on with your doomsday gear treadmill propaganda.
How is a tiny upgrade even REMOTELY comparable to say, WoW’s required iLevel? Not even close. I run fractals because they’re fun and if I see a MINOR stat increase, great. If not, no big deal, BECAUSE IT IN NO WAY AFFECTS ME.
Wait, so not playing the game for stat increases?
Makes this post even more perplexing…
Never mind. You win. Enjoy being stuck at 80 forever and doing things for no reward or any change to your character at all.
If I get them, I get them. But Fractals are a fun instance that I can play while casually working towards something. It gives me something to accomplish and is hardly a grind or a treadmill when it’s fun and entertaining.
I would just ignore Apathy he is either trolling or very dense. The info is out there he is just ignoring facts and making up what he thinks is going to happen just to spread more angst in the community.
He’s not a troll.
I can understand the frustration i too am very angry about this nov 16th patch but they did mention specifics about the future direction of the game including gaining these items and all we can do now is wait for their next patch.
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If I get them, I get them. But Fractals are a fun instance that I can play while casually working towards something. It gives me something to accomplish and is hardly a grind or a treadmill when it’s fun and entertaining.
I would just ignore Apathy he is either trolling or very dense. The info is out there he is just ignoring facts and making up what he thinks is going to happen just to spread more angst in the community.
I’m the dense one?
I am literally quoting the Lead Designer, what the hell more do you want?
They explained this already.
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Coming from every other RPG ever and seeing what people complain about in this forum makes me think that GW2 is a very good game.
“Our games aren’t about preparing to have fun, or about grinding for a future fun reward. Our games are designed to be fun from moment to moment.”
That’s what I expected. GW2 is changing that and I feel it is unfair because I bought gems based on that.
I can understand the frustration i too am very angry about this nov 16th patch but they did mention specifics about the future direction of the game including gaining these items and all we can do now is wait for their next patch.
yes because we should give how many chances to failnet? sorry, as far as im concerned, credibility was lost when they pimped the Hall of Monuments to GW1 players to have some major significance in gw2. it was a PR stunt to try and keep those players playing. and what do they do? instead of getting cool items/armor/weapons related to each title we earn, they just add a numerical value to it.
whys this matter? it means someone that farms for a month can equate what had taken me say 2 years to achieve.
when will the cotton wool fall out of your ears people. anet are amateurs. they brought this all on themselves claiming they would never have a vertical progression model even quoted by devs, also claiming content wouldnt be gated by gear level.
frauds are frauds. ive never seen people in mass amounts request a refund on this scale ever, and anet are giving them why? because they knew they marketed a product which isnt what we all paid for.
Agreed!
Just requested mine.
To the OP – what’s going to happen when you get your Ascended gear through regular drops/crafting… doing things you’d normally do in game anyway – will this still be the issue you think it is at that point or not really?
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I had thought that my Exotic Gear was going to be the best throughout the game, like it was in GW1 and based on the information I received:
“Our games aren’t about preparing to have fun, or about grinding for a future fun reward. Our games are designed to be fun from moment to moment.”
I want the money I spent on gems to buy and upgrade my exotics back. That’s all I want – if Anet wants to change the game like this, that’s their choice – but I don’t like being misled into spending money.
If I get them, I get them. But Fractals are a fun instance that I can play while casually working towards something. It gives me something to accomplish and is hardly a grind or a treadmill when it’s fun and entertaining.
I would just ignore Apathy he is either trolling or very dense. The info is out there he is just ignoring facts and making up what he thinks is going to happen just to spread more angst in the community.
I’m the dense one?
I am literally quoting the Lead Designer, what the hell more do you want?
Your qouting a lead designer that made statements from how long ago? How bout recent events…. how about you go educate yourself on recent happenings, namely the interview just this week which pretty much threw everything you speculated about on page one 100% false. yet you continue to act like thats whats happening?
They very clearly told the community why the change, and that it was meant to be there from the start of the game… they also say that ascended gear will become available over the course of a full year….. then they say there is no planned higher tier gear for the forseeable future.
Yet you insist that its incorrect information, or perhaps you didn’t bother reading what was said this week and continue on with the doomsday posts.
If I get them, I get them. But Fractals are a fun instance that I can play while casually working towards something. It gives me something to accomplish and is hardly a grind or a treadmill when it’s fun and entertaining.
I would just ignore Apathy he is either trolling or very dense. The info is out there he is just ignoring facts and making up what he thinks is going to happen just to spread more angst in the community.
I’m the dense one?
I am literally quoting the Lead Designer, what the hell more do you want?
Your qouting a lead designer that made statements from how long ago? How bout recent events…. how about you go educate yourself on recent happenings, namely the interview just this week which pretty much threw everything you speculated about on page one 100% false. yet you continue to act like thats whats happening?
They very clearly told the community why the change, and that it was meant to be there from the start of the game… they also say that ascended gear will become available over the course of a full year….. then they say there is no planned higher tier gear for the forseeable future.
Yet you insist that its incorrect information, or perhaps you didn’t bother reading what was said this week and continue on with the doomsday posts.
oh yes, of course they would say it was meant to be there. its called DAMAGE CONTROL. two words anet fanboys need to become accustomed to.
LOL meant to be there. yes, and the earth’s core is made of cheese.
If I get them, I get them. But Fractals are a fun instance that I can play while casually working towards something. It gives me something to accomplish and is hardly a grind or a treadmill when it’s fun and entertaining.
I would just ignore Apathy he is either trolling or very dense. The info is out there he is just ignoring facts and making up what he thinks is going to happen just to spread more angst in the community.
I’m the dense one?
I am literally quoting the Lead Designer, what the hell more do you want?
Your qouting a lead designer that made statements from how long ago? How bout recent events…. how about you go educate yourself on recent happenings, namely the interview just this week which pretty much threw everything you speculated about on page one 100% false. yet you continue to act like thats whats happening?
They very clearly told the community why the change, and that it was meant to be there from the start of the game… they also say that ascended gear will become available over the course of a full year….. then they say there is no planned higher tier gear for the forseeable future.
Yet you insist that its incorrect information, or perhaps you didn’t bother reading what was said this week and continue on with the doomsday posts.
lol did you even read my posts?
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