Guild Wars 2

Dawnbreaker.6215:

Talonblaze.3175:

Applying real earth logic to an undead flying creature in a fantasy setting of a different universe.

Strong arguments there.

But there’s gravity in game just like in real life…

NOT ANYMORE

Meet CHRONOMANCER
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Gravity_Well

The laws of physics do apply to Tyria, just not the ones we are used to. If GW2 had earth’s mechanics, then (even assuming you could still cast spells):

• Meteor Shower would damage everyone and knock them back
• All fire skills would cause burning, to allies, foes, and objects alike.
• Your character wouldn’t be able to move (never mind fight), weighted down by armor and inventory.
• Dragonflies wouldn’t be bigger than asura (since surface area:mass ratio would prevent them from having enough energy to survive).

As long as the game is self-consistent, I don’t really see a problem with dinosaur-like creatures existing (even though they could never realistically thrive). In that context, a flying tequatl is hardly anomalous.

It could be a planet with lower gravity and much thicker atmosphere.

You do realize that you can NOT have fire or electricity* emanating from your fingertips, not without visiting the Accident and Emergency at a Hospital at any rate

(Van De-Graff generators excluded) *(do not try this at home!!!!)

Dawnbreaker.6215:

Dayra.7405:

The physics behind undead dragons or why Tequatl can fly

Living consist mostly of water and water is the main reason of weight of Living. On dead living dry out and dead creatures are also infected by bacteria that produce Methane. Methane is slightly lighter than normal air.

So Tequal is a kind of Methane-ballone where his cells are now filled with Methane instead of Water, making him in total only slightly heavier than air, a weight his wings can easily cary in air.

Methane is also burnable (-> dragon-fire), the smell of Tequatl breath that let us all run away when he cries does NOT come from Methane (it’s odorless) but from Hydrogen sulfide also produced as Tequal is rotting since ages.

Summary: If we would have undead dragons on earth they could fly on earth without any magic

Not a bad theory at all, especially the fact you go into chemistry. But I think the quantity of methane would not be enough. Look at how much helium it takes to pull anything heavy off the ground, manned helium balloons are gigantic, and helium is significantly lighter than oxygen.

But, now I have a question for the people who have been saying “it’s magic”. If it’s magic, then why does he need wings at all? The wings are completely obsolete, they are not helping at all.

The main reason for this is simply the immersion breaking “because the players expect this look from a dragon”. Some things are done for design and artistic portrayal over realism or accuracy. Its a trick used in all forms of media. Its also why so much fantasy falls flat when writers mix clear fallacies with trying go be accurate.

If you want to assign a reason, you could say the wings power some sort of magic updraft, but it doesn’t hold much water either.

As people say, its fun to speculate on trying to give logic, but logic isn’t part of the design and the answer boils down to “magic”. At least it is better than trying to legitimise non magical dragon flight…..i doubt a lizard of such size could be so agile let alone fly…

Dawnbreaker.6215:

3. He has both front legs and wings. That makes no sense. The wings of bats, birds and their ancestor flying “dinosaurs” are actually their evolved arms/hands. Look at the dragons in Skyrim, that’s what a reptilian would evolve to if it became a dragon instead of a bird. Here they have front legs AND wings, I mean wtf?

you really need a lesson in fantasy creatures, a dragon has 4 legs and wings on it’s back but a wyvern has 2 legs and wings as arms.
skyrim has them called dragons but they are still wyverns no matter how you look at it, there is even a modder who wants to correct this flaw.

learn your mythology before you complain about something you have no knowledge about.

Dawnbreaker.6215:

There is no way in hell something as big as Tequatl can fly.

That he does is proof that he can.

It is no a science game, not even science fiction, it is a fantasy game. So use your fantasy and imagination but not your logic.

sorudo.9054:

Dawnbreaker.6215:

3. He has both front legs and wings. That makes no sense. The wings of bats, birds and their ancestor flying “dinosaurs” are actually their evolved arms/hands. Look at the dragons in Skyrim, that’s what a reptilian would evolve to if it became a dragon instead of a bird. Here they have front legs AND wings, I mean wtf?

you really need a lesson in fantasy creatures, a dragon has 4 legs and wings on it’s back but a wyvern has 2 legs and wings as arms.
skyrim has them called dragons but they are still wyverns no matter how you look at it, there is even a modder who wants to correct this flaw.

learn your mythology before you complain about something you have no knowledge about.

Wasn’t really sure so took a look myself.

TLDR:—-easily confused and basically regarded as the lesser cousins of dragons.

So really, how about cutting the guy a break. It is after all supposed to be about having fun!

Wyverns vs. Dragons http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wyvern#Wyverns_vs._Dragons

The wyvern has often been confused with the dragon due to the similarities between the two and due to the wyvern ultimately being a lesser-known mythical creature. However, in fantasy and heraldry, the wyvern is considered to be the distant, lesser cousin to the dragon, similar to a dog being the distant cousin to the wolf. Wyverns tend to be smaller, weaker, not as intelligent, and ultimately inferior to the much more ferocious and powerful dragon. While a dragon almost always has the capability to breathe fire (though other types of breath such as lightning have been seen as well), a wyvern will usually be unable to breathe fire. Those who can breathe fire are often termed “fire drakes” and are still considered a lesser form. Also, typically a wyvern will be unable to speak, while a dragon often does have the ability. The most distinctive difference between the two is a dragon has either zero or four legs, while a wyvern always has two legs.³

Various depictions in pop culture have also controversially labeled wyverns as dragons. Notable examples are the TV depiction of Game of Thrones, the 2002 film Reign of Fire,⁴ the 1981 film Dragonslayer,⁵ the Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim, the Harry Potter films, and the Hobbit films.⁶ It could, however, be argued that the creators of these franchises can call the fictional creatures that they have created whatever they want.

Physics in Tyria very clearly don’t work the same as they do on Earth. I mean look how if I am jumping, and I get shot in the back, my momentum suddenly slows dramatically. Weirdest phenomenon.

Dawnbreaker.6215:

Talonblaze.3175:

Applying real earth logic to an undead flying creature in a fantasy setting of a different universe.

Strong arguments there.

But there’s gravity in game just like in real life… and air and the Sun and all these things you know. So yeah why is gravity not working on Tequatl? Did he buy something from Trading Post that I didn’t?

If i fall down somewhere with my ranger, my bird pet that got wings and stuff takes fall damage too. Logic? No, Magic? Yes.

I saw this on an old “Mutual of Omaha’s Wild Kingdom” when I was a kid. Marlin Perkins discussed it in detail. It is quite simple, and believable.

Tequatl MOSTLY swims. She has no “true” flight. Her ability to go briefly airborne results primarily through the consumption of floating rocks such as those found at Morgan’s Spiral. The tattered wings serve well enough for guidance. The Vigil Megalaser does not damage Tequatl, but it temporarily negates the effects of the rocks, bringing her down.

Ahh, the magic of nature!

Gravity in Tyria is not universal but only comes into play when you are trying to make that last delicate jump to complete an annoying JP or Vista so it doesn’t effect Tequatl abilty to fly.

But then if Tequatl can fly anytime then why does it land at all? Couldn’t it just grab something really big with its mouth and drop it on the megalazer? Or on the crowd of players?…

Dawnbreaker.6215:

But there’s gravity in game just like in real life… and air and the Sun and all these things you know. So yeah why is gravity not working on Tequatl? Did he buy something from Trading Post that I didn’t?

But there’s no magic in real life, and magic likes to defy laws of physics – including that of gravity.

Tyria has some things that are real, and some things that aren’t.

Dawnbreaker.6215:

Very interesting theory but I think that saying “it’s magic” is much more of a cop-out than an explanation…

As something as just shouting “magic” would seem a poor argument, that actually is the case here.

I mean, Tequatl is UNDEAD. Kinda denotes that magic’s involved. But dragons – Elder Dragons, dragon champions, and minions – are all magical by nature. They consume magic, they breath magic. They use magic for their very movement and creation in the case of minions and champions.

Look at The Shatterer, Claw of Jormag, and Shadow of the Dragon. They all fly, but their wings are less existent than Tequatl’s – with the Shadow of the Dragon having bushes on its wings.

The only dragons that might fly without magic would be the Elder Dragons.

And to your argument of “it should be 4 limbs not 6” – why can’t something have six limbs? Why can’t these dragons have forelegs and wings? Just because birds and bats do doesn’t mean it’s impossible – just look at insects to see how multiple limbs can, indeed, exist.

PaxTheGreatOne.9472:

Necroma.2379:

Isn’t Zhaitan like 10x times bigger then Teq and he still fly like a bird..

Zhaitan is ALL BONES, no flesh whatsoever Even if I jumped of a roof myself I would have a better gliding pattern… And trust me, no matter how fast I flap my arms, I have the flight pattern of a brick with fear of heights.

Disclaimer:
-do not try this at home-

Just to be on the safe side

Zhaitan has plenty of flesh, and its wings are actually fuller than Tequatl’s (and with several wings too).

Dawnbreaker.6215:

But then if Tequatl can fly anytime then why does it land at all? Couldn’t it just grab something really big with its mouth and drop it on the megalazer? Or on the crowd of players?…

Nothing ever said Tequatl’s smart.

Or maybe it just wants to bash players personally.

Or most likely, the fight is designed to be possible for players to fight against.

Tl;dr: Magic.

I understand you want to apply real-life situations and physics to a fantasy game to make it more real… but there’s a point where everything is so realistic it becomes mundane and boring.

It’s impossible to “break” the dawn. Please explain me your name.

Dawnbreaker.6215:

There is no way in hell something as big as Tequatl can fly.

I remember people saying the same about bumblebee.

Also, (as has been mentioned before)… You are trying to make a magical creature – a magical dead creature – to conform to Earth physics when its mere existence breaks them?
Really?

May i remind you that “there’s something in the water! help!”?

Tequatl originally comes from under water. Can a creature like that swim? Wouldn’t it sink? What is it made of anyway? Maybe it’s not 100 tons, maybe it’s made of ultralight composite materials with hollow bones.

For that matter, my mesmer makes a greatsword levitate and shoot a purple ray at things. I believe at the moment that is also impossible according to our understanding of physics.

Astralporing.1957:

Dawnbreaker.6215:

There is no way in hell something as big as Tequatl can fly.

I remember people saying the same about bumblebee.

https://xkcd.com/1186/

keep in mind, dragons could have the same bone difference as strong birds.
i see ppl comparing dragons with something like a horse or lizards, both are designed to walk and run on land and not to fly.
dragons are capable of flight, this could mean that their bones are lighter yet really powerful.

let’s look at materials of our word, steel and titanium.
steel is powerful and really common, however, it’s heavy the more you use it.
titanium is also quite powerful but allot lighter then steel, however, it’s quite a rare material.

now what if we take a horse and a dragon, the horse is the steel while the dragon is the titanium.
one is really heavy but is designed to stay on the ground, dragons are light but designed to take flight.

the only single thing that stops a dragon from flight is when the wings have non enough skin to catch enough air current, may it be ripped or to small wings.

CureForLiving.5360:

Dawnbreaker.6215:

Talonblaze.3175:

Applying real earth logic to an undead flying creature in a fantasy setting of a different universe.

Strong arguments there.

But there’s gravity in game just like in real life… and air and the Sun and all these things you know. So yeah why is gravity not working on Tequatl? Did he buy something from Trading Post that I didn’t?

Lemuria.3195 has already covered this. Magic.

Not Magic..Tech! Tequatl bought the limited one-only-available anti-grav struts XD

The Hulk can’t fly but can jump really—really far. Maybe the dragons are just taking long run ups out of eye sight. OOORRRR, they have constructed very big trebs and launch themselves out of eye sight. And you thought they could fly—-puny humans

“There is something in the waaaaterrrr…”
I still can’t belive a Antonov 225 can fly, with one engine, and a little shuffle on its back… oh well, those russians:D
TQ flying is more like rise from water, crawl to top of building, semi-crash back on land, do his thing for a while, takes off, flyes very low, crash back down.
Welcome to MMO, sorry that RL appliance in fantasy games let you down, maybe nexty time…:D

serenke.4806:

May i remind you that “there’s something in the water! help!”?

Tequatl originally comes from under water. Can a creature like that swim? Wouldn’t it sink? What is it made of anyway? Maybe it’s not 100 tons, maybe it’s made of ultralight composite materials with hollow bones.

For that matter, my mesmer makes a greatsword levitate and shoot a purple ray at things. I believe at the moment that is also impossible according to our understanding of physics.

Of course it can swim, blue whales are also gigantic like that and they swim around easily.

Also, dragons in Skyrim are dragons, not “wyverns”. Why? Because that’s what the devs decided. Neither of those creatures exist in real life, so what they are called boils down to what people want to call them, not to what some guy in the past decided to call them.

Magnets, how do they work?

AdaephonDelat.3890:

Astralporing.1957:

Dawnbreaker.6215:

There is no way in hell something as big as Tequatl can fly.

I remember people saying the same about bumblebee.

https://xkcd.com/1186/

I guess my point sailed over your head. Oh well.

Astralporing.1957:

AdaephonDelat.3890:

Astralporing.1957:

Dawnbreaker.6215:

There is no way in hell something as big as Tequatl can fly.

I remember people saying the same about bumblebee.

https://xkcd.com/1186/

I guess my point sailed over your head. Oh well.

No I got it. Hence why I posted the xkcd link as it references it and (in my opinion) is funny.

Dawnbreaker.6215:

serenke.4806:

May i remind you that “there’s something in the water! help!”?

Tequatl originally comes from under water. Can a creature like that swim? Wouldn’t it sink? What is it made of anyway? Maybe it’s not 100 tons, maybe it’s made of ultralight composite materials with hollow bones.

For that matter, my mesmer makes a greatsword levitate and shoot a purple ray at things. I believe at the moment that is also impossible according to our understanding of physics.

Of course it can swim, blue whales are also gigantic like that and they swim around easily.

Also, dragons in Skyrim are dragons, not “wyverns”. Why? Because that’s what the devs decided. Neither of those creatures exist in real life, so what they are called boils down to what people want to call them, not to what some guy in the past decided to call them.

My point is, you don’t know what tequatl is made of. It does not look like a blue whale which would have a lot of fat. Do you know for certain how heavy undead material is?

serenke.4806:

Dawnbreaker.6215:

serenke.4806:

May i remind you that “there’s something in the water! help!”?

Tequatl originally comes from under water. Can a creature like that swim? Wouldn’t it sink? What is it made of anyway? Maybe it’s not 100 tons, maybe it’s made of ultralight composite materials with hollow bones.

For that matter, my mesmer makes a greatsword levitate and shoot a purple ray at things. I believe at the moment that is also impossible according to our understanding of physics.

Of course it can swim, blue whales are also gigantic like that and they swim around easily.

Also, dragons in Skyrim are dragons, not “wyverns”. Why? Because that’s what the devs decided. Neither of those creatures exist in real life, so what they are called boils down to what people want to call them, not to what some guy in the past decided to call them.

My point is, you don’t know what tequatl is made of. It does not look like a blue whale which would have a lot of fat. Do you know for certain how heavy undead material is?

It’s like living material but it has decayed.

Easy, plausible solution. The dragons and giant enemies are just fog banks, buildings, or parade floats, and this world has thousands of delusional Don Quixotes on their own adventures!

OP seems like a blast to talk about movies as well.

“The DeLorean cannot time travel because it’s made of low grade aluminum and not high conductive unobtanium which is used to time travel.”

Suspend belief for a FANTASY game where people shoot fireballs out of staves, people teleporting, and growing magical wings.

Keyword, magical.

phokus.8934:

OP seems like a blast to talk about movies as well.

“The DeLorean cannot time travel because it’s made of low grade aluminum and not high conductive unobtanium which is used to time travel.”

Suspend belief for a FANTASY game where people shoot fireballs out of staves, people teleporting, and growing magical wings.

Keyword, magical.

You must have never watched CinemaSins.

Well yeah let’s hear your explanation on how a fireball comes out of a staff?

Dawnbreaker.6215:

phokus.8934:

OP seems like a blast to talk about movies as well.

“The DeLorean cannot time travel because it’s made of low grade aluminum and not high conductive unobtanium which is used to time travel.”

Suspend belief for a FANTASY game where people shoot fireballs out of staves, people teleporting, and growing magical wings.

Keyword, magical.

You must have never watched CinemaSins.

Well yeah let’s hear your explanation on how a fireball comes out of a staff?

Its in his last paragraph….MAGIC. Like many others have already stated, dont apply RL logic to a fantasy game. Can you blink irl?

felipelana.1963:

It’s impossible to “break” the dawn. Please explain me your name.

/thread

Felipelana wins.

Also, I was kinda disappointed to discover that the OP was not authored by the same person that wants realistic melee staves.

Why is my ranger shooting arrows with out ever reloading?
Where exactly are all the barrage arrows coming from?
How is my mesmer able to clone herself?
Why is it that Warriors can drop banners and make us stronger? Or revive us?
Why can I rub people’s toes to bring them back to life?
Why don’t the people of Nebo Terrace just move?
Why do the same bosses show up every day at the same time to fight us?
And more importantly, why are we all not dead from shooting/stabbing each other all the time at large boss encounters?

DragonflyDusk.6582:

Why is my ranger shooting arrows with out ever reloading?
Where exactly are all the barrage arrows coming from?
How is my mesmer able to clone herself?
Why is it that Warriors can drop banners and make us stronger? Or revive us?
Why can I rub people’s toes to bring them back to life?
Why don’t the people of Nebo Terrace just move?
Why do the same bosses show up every day at the same time to fight us?
And more importantly, why are we all not dead from shooting/stabbing each other all the time at large boss encounters?

You, sir, just stole my arguments ;-)

To the OP: I really can’t believe you brought up that question.

In the world where:
- Guardian can teleport by swinging the sword and heal his comrades by swinging staff

- Warrior can revive dead teammates by placing banner in the grounds, which is produced out of nowhere

- Engineer can jump by shooting rifle to the ground and place heavy mechanical turrets (assumably heavier than the engineer himself) which are pulled out of nowhere

- Ranger can shoot never ending arrows

- Thief can fly on the arrows he shoots

- Necromancer can draw the circles in the distances. By stepping into this remotely drawn circles you will get poisoned and chilled and god knows what else

- Mesmer can shoot the laser beams from the greatsword that somehow spins in the air

- Elementalist can create firebolts raining from the sky by swinging his staff

Is Tequatl that technically couldn’t fly yet flying is really your biggest concern in terms of violating the laws of physics?

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Fringilla Vigo.8594:

DragonflyDusk.6582:

Why is my ranger shooting arrows with out ever reloading?
Where exactly are all the barrage arrows coming from?
How is my mesmer able to clone herself?
Why is it that Warriors can drop banners and make us stronger? Or revive us?
Why can I rub people’s toes to bring them back to life?
Why don’t the people of Nebo Terrace just move?
Why do the same bosses show up every day at the same time to fight us?
And more importantly, why are we all not dead from shooting/stabbing each other all the time at large boss encounters?

You, sir, just stole my arguments ;-)

To the OP: I really can’t believe you brought up that question.

In the world where:
- Guardian can teleport by swinging the sword and heal his comrades by swinging staff

- Warrior can revive dead teammates by placing banner in the grounds, which is produced out of nowhere

- Engineer can jump by shooting rifle to the ground and place heavy mechanical turrets (assumably heavier than the engineer himself) which are pulled out of nowhere

- Ranger can shoot never ending arrows

- Thief can fly on the arrows he shoots

- Necromancer can draw the circles in the distances. By stepping into this remotely drawn circles you will get poisoned and chilled and god knows what else

- Mesmer can shoot the laser beams from the greatsword that somehow spins in the air

- Elementalist can create firebolts raining from the sky by swinging his staff

Is Tequatl that technically couldn’t fly yet flying is really your biggest concern in terms of violating the laws of physics?

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Well yes, because here’s the thing. Those things are normal magic. But Tequatl actually has wings and actually flaps his wings to fly, so I assume that he’s using his wings to fly, not magic. I don’t see him summon a magic carpet to fly or a broomstick, he clearly uses his physical (in game) wings to fly. The wings would never work, you have to admit that.

I can’t believe someone made a thread about this and it’s still on the first page and going on three pages long

Dawnbreaker.6215:

Well yes, because here’s the thing. Those things are normal magic. But Tequatl actually has wings and actually flaps his wings to fly, so I assume that he’s using his wings to fly, not magic. I don’t see him summon a magic carpet to fly or a broomstick, he clearly uses his physical (in game) wings to fly. The wings would never work, you have to admit that.

Why do angels often float in the air with wings outstretched? It’s clear the wings aren’t supporting them.

Why do people with telekinesis often point at things as if they are lifting them with their hands?

For that matter, why do telepaths touch their temples?

Why are the Seraphim covered in eyes all over? What would be the purpose of that many eyes?

You’re trying to fit fantasy into a scientific mindset. It just doesn’t work. Look at it like a believing child. Flying things often have wings, because wings are for flying.

Looks like its impossible to convince OP about magic stuff in a fantasy game.

Gibson.4036:

You’re trying to fit fantasy into a scientific mindset. It just doesn’t work.

Ah, no, that I have to disagree with. Some fantasy allows for the existence of science (that is, the field of study that offers up “falsifiable theories” that people attempt to break, and build up a set of ‘truths’ from those that can’t be shown to be incorrect). A lot of fantasy doesn’t work that way.

For example, the Harry Potter stories (and the Harry Dresden ones, too, for that matter) invent a new sort of magic whenever the story requires it. Any consistency is either coincidental or a result of an amazing memory (or note taking ability) of the author (and their editors). On the other hand, Larry Niven goes out of his way in his Gil Hamilton (and Magic Goes Away) stories to provide all the science (or magic) needed to solve mysteries long before the end of each tale.

In other words, Fantasy can include learning from replicable experimentation as well as plenty of Deux Ex Machina (i.e. it’s true because we say so). Guild Wars 2 has a mix of this: most of Taimi’s (and Scarlett’s and Snaff’s etc) research is consistent with things we already knew from the game and consistent with how the stories continue to play out. On other hand, sometimes the writers invent something new (seemingly) to help resolve a plot complication (or sometimes, to help create one).

In the end, all that really matters is if the ‘facts’ in the game are reasonably self-consistent. If they aren’t, people will worry too much about the contradictions and not enough about what’s happening gamewise.

That’s no big deal until people try to impose what they know from Earth on the game — that automatically creates tons of potential contradictions and doesn’t allow the writers to tell any sort of story. Players (and readers, film-goes, and TV-watchers) have to accept the initial premise, or there’s no story to tell.

For example, unless you are willing to believe in faster-than-light travel (which to date, there’s no evidence to support), there’s no Star Trek or Star Wars. Unless you are willing to believe in flying dragons with seemingly unlikely wings and heavy surface-to-mass ratios, there’s no Guild Wars 2.

tl;dr sorry that the OP “can’t believe Tequatl can fly” — that makes for a really brief gaming experience.

Dawnbreaker.6215:

Fringilla Vigo.8594:

DragonflyDusk.6582:

Why is my ranger shooting arrows with out ever reloading?
Where exactly are all the barrage arrows coming from?
How is my mesmer able to clone herself?
Why is it that Warriors can drop banners and make us stronger? Or revive us?
Why can I rub people’s toes to bring them back to life?
Why don’t the people of Nebo Terrace just move?
Why do the same bosses show up every day at the same time to fight us?
And more importantly, why are we all not dead from shooting/stabbing each other all the time at large boss encounters?

You, sir, just stole my arguments ;-)

To the OP: I really can’t believe you brought up that question.

In the world where:
- Guardian can teleport by swinging the sword and heal his comrades by swinging staff

- Warrior can revive dead teammates by placing banner in the grounds, which is produced out of nowhere

- Engineer can jump by shooting rifle to the ground and place heavy mechanical turrets (assumably heavier than the engineer himself) which are pulled out of nowhere

- Ranger can shoot never ending arrows

- Thief can fly on the arrows he shoots

- Necromancer can draw the circles in the distances. By stepping into this remotely drawn circles you will get poisoned and chilled and god knows what else

- Mesmer can shoot the laser beams from the greatsword that somehow spins in the air

- Elementalist can create firebolts raining from the sky by swinging his staff

Is Tequatl that technically couldn’t fly yet flying is really your biggest concern in terms of violating the laws of physics?

Edited for mispellings

Well yes, because here’s the thing. Those things are normal magic. But Tequatl actually has wings and actually flaps his wings to fly, so I assume that he’s using his wings to fly, not magic. I don’t see him summon a magic carpet to fly or a broomstick, he clearly uses his physical (in game) wings to fly. The wings would never work, you have to admit that.

Ok. Now I understand. there is “normal magic” and “abnormal magic”. And, of course, you are the only one that has power to objectively decide which category does Tequatl belong to and which category infinite arrows belong to.
And which one is acceptable, and which one is abominable.

I really understand where you are coming from and what are you trying to prove, but here you are breaking the basic laws of logic.

If there are some rules that apply to certain world/universe/setting/whatever else, they always apply to literally everything. And they have some logical implications.
So, lets say for the sake of argument, you create a world where literally everyone can bend wood to shape it the way they want it to be. Well, you can’t have carpenters in this world, since there will be simply no need for them.

And if you want to prove that tequatl ability to fly is not acceptable because the laws of physics – well, there’s thousands upon a thousands other things that violate that clearly violate these laws in the game. Go to Caledon forest and see the rocks flying. Is that the “normal magic”. Do they use the flying carpets or other gimmicks? No. What do you think makes tequatl speciapl in that regard.

By the way – carrying heavy turrets and having infinite arrows is “normal magic” but dragons – creatures that in most of the movies/books/whatever else are considered magical creatures by nature – you want to apply laws of physics to them?
Intriguing concept to say the least.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

That’s no big deal until people try to impose what they know from Earth on the game — that automatically creates tons of potential contradictions and doesn’t allow the writers to tell any sort of story. Players (and readers, film-goes, and TV-watchers) have to accept the initial premise, or there’s no story to tell.

I think that it’s very much possible to design a dragon in game that looks terrifying and would actually be capable of flight in real life. Bethesda tried to go there with the Skyrim dragons. They are not perfectly aerodynamic and still probably wouldn’t be able to fly in real life, especially not hover like they do, but it’s still a better shot at making a believable dragon than Tequatl.

Also I can’t believe I can burn underwater (with the flames and everything) and be chilled while on fire.

Fringilla Vigo.8594:

Dawnbreaker.6215:

Fringilla Vigo.8594:

DragonflyDusk.6582:

Why is my ranger shooting arrows with out ever reloading?
Where exactly are all the barrage arrows coming from?
How is my mesmer able to clone herself?
Why is it that Warriors can drop banners and make us stronger? Or revive us?
Why can I rub people’s toes to bring them back to life?
Why don’t the people of Nebo Terrace just move?
Why do the same bosses show up every day at the same time to fight us?
And more importantly, why are we all not dead from shooting/stabbing each other all the time at large boss encounters?

You, sir, just stole my arguments ;-)

To the OP: I really can’t believe you brought up that question.

In the world where:
- Guardian can teleport by swinging the sword and heal his comrades by swinging staff

- Warrior can revive dead teammates by placing banner in the grounds, which is produced out of nowhere

- Engineer can jump by shooting rifle to the ground and place heavy mechanical turrets (assumably heavier than the engineer himself) which are pulled out of nowhere

- Ranger can shoot never ending arrows

- Thief can fly on the arrows he shoots

- Necromancer can draw the circles in the distances. By stepping into this remotely drawn circles you will get poisoned and chilled and god knows what else

- Mesmer can shoot the laser beams from the greatsword that somehow spins in the air

- Elementalist can create firebolts raining from the sky by swinging his staff

Is Tequatl that technically couldn’t fly yet flying is really your biggest concern in terms of violating the laws of physics?

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Well yes, because here’s the thing. Those things are normal magic. But Tequatl actually has wings and actually flaps his wings to fly, so I assume that he’s using his wings to fly, not magic. I don’t see him summon a magic carpet to fly or a broomstick, he clearly uses his physical (in game) wings to fly. The wings would never work, you have to admit that.

Ok. Now I understand. there is “normal magic” and “abnormal magic”. And, of course, you are the only one that has power to objectively decide which category does Tequatl belong to and which category infinite arrows belong to.
And which one is acceptable, and which one is abominable.

I really understand where you are coming from and what are you trying to prove, but here you are breaking the basic laws of logic.

If there are some rules that apply to certain world/universe/setting/whatever else, they always apply to literally everything. And they have some logical implications.
So, lets say for the sake of argument, you create a world where literally everyone can bend wood to shape it the way they want it to be. Well, you can’t have carpenters in this world, since there will be simply no need for them.

And if you want to prove that tequatl ability to fly is not acceptable because the laws of physics – well, there’s thousands upon a thousands other things that violate that clearly violate these laws in the game. Go to Caledon forest and see the rocks flying. Is that the “normal magic”. Do they use the flying carpets or other gimmicks? No. What do you think makes tequatl speciapl in that regard.

By the way – carrying heavy turrets and having infinite arrows is “normal magic” but dragons – creatures that in most of the movies/books/whatever else are considered magical creatures by nature – you want to apply laws of physics to them?
Intriguing concept to say the least.

The infinite arrows problem is not a matter of magic. It’s a matter of poor gameplay design. Nowadays it’s very easy to design a game where arrows have a limited use, heck even back in the days of Runescape that game had limited arrows. Here in GW2, Anet are just too lazy to design a proper quiver and arrows, as they are also lazy to design proper collision mechanics/physics for pact airships, Charr tanks and many other things in game.

The rocks in Caledon forest are blatantly offered as “magical”. They don’t have wings or anything. They are obvious magic. With Tequatl they gave him wings and all the animations that go with them, but we are also supposed to believe that it’s actually magic making him fly. They are trying to get two worlds and failing at both.

It’s cute how we are debating the science of something that doesn’t exist in real life. But to say that it’s poor design to not put wings on rocks is… pretty stupid. I give this post a 9 out of 10 for trolling.

I can’t believe a C-5 Galaxy can fly.

If it can I think Tequatl can also.

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It’s cute how we are debating the science of something that doesn’t exist in real life. But to say that it’s poor design to not put wings on rocks is… pretty stupid. I give this post a 9 out of 10 for trolling.

No, it’s poor design for arrows to be infinite and for Charr tanks to have no real physics (you can go through them in quests, they have no gravity, 100% scripted)

Floating rocks could use some wings, but they are fine like this.

Tequatl is not normal everyday magic.

Tequatl can’t actually fly he uses magic to either push the planet away from him or bring it closer to him.