Guild Wars 2

I like the game but it’s getting annoying. New filler content that’s added every 2 weeks? All of which is very loosely connected. The Flame and Frost was pretty cool, it was interesting to see it unfold and you felt like you were helping out in the world and it lasted for a few months so you felt invested. Now? It’s all about making sure you get all of your achievements before time is up so you can get a reward that you won’t use and can’t sell, oh and achievement points which people get overly obsessed with to the point of where things get neglected because no achievement points or things are made ridiculous because people need that +5 points.

That and the lack of proper skill balances. Playing zerker is fun, but we have all these fun mechanics – conditions, CC, fields, combos, none of which matters because it’s easier just to whack things until they die.

This game has good elements – dynamic events are pretty awesome. It’s nice having all the races – but they’re all cosmetic. MF proved you could have interesting and unique dungeon elements, but the existing dungeons range from ridiculously easy (therefore farmed) to something that you can’t get a group for because few want to do the path more than once. WvW has huge potential but instead of making it appealing to players, they just give us stacks of badges of honour and put some LS stuff in an isolated part of WvW.

cesmode.4257:

The OP has a point. A lot of people like the content being pumped into the game, a lot do not. I personally, think it is all BS fluff. I would rather have monthly updates with some impactful event going on that leaves a scar on the game. Like Divinities reach partially destroyed, or a giant crater of some sort in Kessex hills. Or all of the sudden, an oasis of lush land suddenly growing over night for some unexpected (but explained) reason in Plains of Ashford.

A lot of people like their mini games, collect 1000 candy pieces, find a few interesting things in the world to turn in, etc…but is this really what we want as a playerbase? It seems that it is all we are getting. With each update ever since March or April, its been some light story with a lot of minigame and some candy to eat..with some flare of fireworks or some decoration. Nothing of substance, of importance that makes me sit back in my chair and say “Holy hell, I can’t believe my eyes”..its all “Ah, thats cute.” And “ah thats cute” doesn’t cut it for an MMO, especially one that has unlimited potential such as GW2.

Edit: Does anyone else feel like checkbox-machines with these new updates? Make sure you complete the requirements for achievements so that you get more free reward…more carrots. I literally sometimes feel that I am checking things off as I go, instead of just playing.

Pretty much how I feel, and I will add, while I don’t mind the occasional pop culture easter eggs, basing entire instances on ancient 8 bit games or some mediocre teen fad book is waaay too much.

What about Cantha. Joko. The mordant crescent. GW stuff. Stuff from the lore ANET wrote concerning the changing of the world. There is a HUGE chunk of Tyria out there that would make better stories than what’s popular on FB.

Given the last few stories, I’m expecting a Centaur/Branded alliance. Yes.. Bronies.
I’m expecting Ninja. Then Ninja Pirates. Then Airborne Ninja Pirates. Along with a wizard school, a secret coven of Sparkly vamps with sparkly weapons, and a gorilla going wild tossing ale barrels around.

Or perhaps, the Thundercats will come, and with the help of them, along with Chuck Norris, we can form Voltron and defeat some random dragon using a magic Ocarina.(Ocarina available for a limited time at Black Lion Store)

Teofa Tsavo.9863:

Given the last few stories, I’m expecting a Centaur/Branded alliance. Yes.. Bronies.
I’m expecting Ninja. Then Ninja Pirates. Then Airborne Ninja Pirates. Along with a wizard school, a secret coven of Sparkly vamps with sparkly weapons, and a gorilla going wild tossing ale barrels around.

You have come to the conclusion that I have a long time ago. It saddened me greatly to see such an epic game go down the toilet and become nothing more than a Chuck E. Cheese ticket counter.

next…..
sighs since your all paying a monthly fee
Can’t we all just enjoy what they are doing instead of saying what ‘I’ want???

That is all…..

Flame on…

Dante.1508:

Vayne.8563:

Dante.1508:

Vayne.8563:

Gehenna.3625:

Well, I decided after many months to give it a go and make a new character (I deleted my old ones and don’t regret it). I’m level 16 I believe. Now, it’s been a while so I am getting sort of reacquainted with the game but all this stuff happens in place I haven’t heard of and it’s all sort of out there.

For me, I am just happy to ignore these events, because they don’t make much sense to me and I am apparently completely out of the loop.

I will just stick to a casual style leveling but I suspect that when I get to 80 again, that’d probably it again. Even though I quit and probably won’t play for that long again it probably was worth the 60 bucks but I kinda get that people aren’t happy with all this stuff coming and going. It certainly doesn’t give much stability to the activities and endgame by itself is a handful of dungeons and a legendary grind as far as I can tell.

But hey, what do I know…it’s just my impression at the moment but I find all this content that’s coming and going more irritating than interesting at the moment.

Some sort of elections now? Suppose it’s good I don’t care for politicians. I’ll just prod along as a diversion when I want a break from other games. It is a good diversion from time to time.

As long as you think in these terms, you probably will leave. But dismissing the new content before you’re seen or tried it doesn’t seem all that productive to me. Some of the new content is entertaining to some people.

Why cut yourself off from potential entertainment? Why is the previous definition of end game in an MMO something that can’t change…or even be improved upon?

Because to some the older MMO’s were fun as they were, and to some these so called changes aren’t any better or worse than what we had in the older MMO’s..

To give you an example this current addition…two npc’s fighting to get a trade agreement, nash and keil, nothing they offer even remotely excites me, i hated fractals since NOV 2012 so i do not care which gets added, its just more grind..

The rest is just fluff, cheaper keys… really why not free keys because i’m not going to buy any with this content at any price..

Both npc areas are identical wave mode boredom with broken lockpicks spam as rewards and more tickets i do not care about..

And the latest back packs well if i wanted a re-skinned rose or to look like a pack mule i’d be ecstatic..

Honestly Vayne you must be very easily pleased..

If I were easily pleased, then surely I’d have found an MMO to play prior to this one. Isn’t it just as likely I’m differently pleased.

Almost all MMOs prior to this share a lot of traits that I don’t like, including focus on dungeons and raids. I thought Rift would be different, but it wasn’t.

Just because I like something different than you doesn’t mean I’m easily pleased. In fact, from my point of view, you’re the one who’s easily pleased, because you found contentment in older MMOs that I’ve never had.

So which one of us is really easily pleased?

Do you mean because i enjoyed Guildwars more than GW2 i’m easily pleased, because i must say GW1 had so much more varied things to do, and rolled along better than GW2, i don’t think GW1 was a simple game at all and had very deep content and complex build wise..even prophecies.

If you mean other games i enjoyed for sure i loved quest givers and all the rest it worked better to me than this game does.

Well, you made the claim I was easily pleased, but I’ve tried tons of MMOs including games like Guild Wars 1, which weren’t true MMOs. I’ve played Lotro, Rift, DDO, Perfect World, WoW, TSW, AoC and a bunch of others. Nothing was able to hold me for long until Guild Wars 2 (and Guild Wars 1 of course).

But I actually like Guild Wars 2 MORE than I like Guild Wars 1. There were things about Guild Wars 1 that were great. There were things about Guild Wars 1 that I loved and things that drove me mad. In the end, the game was good…but not good enough.

Guild Wars 2 falls into that same category, with the difference that I think Guild Wars 2 has the potential to become good enough.

But assuming I’m easily pleased because I like this game and you don’t could be taken as you feeling your tastes are superior to mine. They’re simply different than mine.

Vayne.8563:

Well, you made the claim I was easily pleased, but I’ve tried tons of MMOs including games like Guild Wars 1, which weren’t true MMOs. I’ve played Lotro, Rift, DDO, Perfect World, WoW, TSW, AoC and a bunch of others. Nothing was able to hold me for long until Guild Wars 2 (and Guild Wars 1 of course).

But I actually like Guild Wars 2 MORE than I like Guild Wars 1. There were things about Guild Wars 1 that were great. There were things about Guild Wars 1 that I loved and things that drove me mad. In the end, the game was good…but not good enough.

Guild Wars 2 falls into that same category, with the difference that I think Guild Wars 2 has the potential to become good enough.

But assuming I’m easily pleased because I like this game and you don’t could be taken as you feeling your tastes are superior to mine. They’re simply different than mine.

I do like this game, well i did before Nov 2012 then it just rolled down hill faster and faster, yes that is my opinion.
I do agree this game has gone off the rails though, I’m really glad you like it Vayne and i played many of those MMO’s and more, some were for much longer than GW2, which is my point exactly, if its such a great game why isn’t it keeping people playing for a long time? Why so many complaints and upset players, do you really think all of them are trolls etc, because they aren’t.

And i can totally see Sparkly Rainbow Flying Ninja Donkeys with Horns in the cash shop or RNG, I’m sure they can slot it into the lore some how.

Wouldn’t surprise me at all, i kinda lost all respect for Anet after one year of GW2.

Dante.1508:

Vayne.8563:

Well, you made the claim I was easily pleased, but I’ve tried tons of MMOs including games like Guild Wars 1, which weren’t true MMOs. I’ve played Lotro, Rift, DDO, Perfect World, WoW, TSW, AoC and a bunch of others. Nothing was able to hold me for long until Guild Wars 2 (and Guild Wars 1 of course).

But I actually like Guild Wars 2 MORE than I like Guild Wars 1. There were things about Guild Wars 1 that were great. There were things about Guild Wars 1 that I loved and things that drove me mad. In the end, the game was good…but not good enough.

Guild Wars 2 falls into that same category, with the difference that I think Guild Wars 2 has the potential to become good enough.

But assuming I’m easily pleased because I like this game and you don’t could be taken as you feeling your tastes are superior to mine. They’re simply different than mine.

I do like this game, well i did before Nov 2012 then it just rolled down hill faster and faster, yes that is my opinion.
I do agree this game has gone off the rails though, I’m really glad you like it Vayne and i played many of those MMO’s and more, some were for much longer than GW2, which is my point exactly, if its such a great game why isn’t it keeping people playing for a long time? Why so many complaints and upset players, do you really think all of them are trolls etc, because they aren’t.

And i can totally see Sparkly Rainbow Flying Ninja Donkeys with Horns in the cash shop or RNG, I’m sure they can slot it into the lore some how.

Wouldn’t surprise me at all, i kinda lost all respect for Anet after one year of GW2.

Most MMOs don’t keep people playing it for a very long time. Do you think they do? And there are tons of people who started playing who are back playing as well.

By all means, if you don’t like the game, go play a game you like but posting your negativity in every thread, because you don’t personally like a game that’s doing just fine…shrugs.

It’s not helpful. It makes no positive addition to this game.

Vayne.8563:

As long as you think in these terms, you probably will leave. But dismissing the new content before you’re seen or tried it doesn’t seem all that productive to me. Some of the new content is entertaining to some people. ?

You misunderstand me. I just started leveling a toon and I get this quest to go to a location that I’ve never heard of, but I am leveling my toon. So I would like to do this later…but oh this content will be gone again.

The problem is that events are ok but there are too many and they take the place of consistent content that stays in the game. One of the things I had a problem with from the start is the approach that the game is trying to tell you when to do what. I can’t set my own pace unless I avoid a lot of this stuff.

Now, some of that can be fun, but it just seems it’s coming and going at a pace that makes it I’d rather not get involved. What do I care who wins this election between two npc’s that just got pulled out of a hat?

GW2 seems to’ve gone the direction of a roller coaster ride or rather going from one ride to the next. To me they’re just meaningless snippets. Maybe when you’re 80, got your legendary sword and wonder what to do this will keep you busy, but I prefer more content that stays and that I can decide when I have time for it.

Vayne.8563:

Why cut yourself off from potential entertainment? Why is the previous definition of end game in an MMO something that can’t change…or even be improved upon?

It can be. But as explained above, it doesn’t work for me in this way. It’s always a matter of preference but different isn’t always better.

Gehenna.3625:

Vayne.8563:

As long as you think in these terms, you probably will leave. But dismissing the new content before you’re seen or tried it doesn’t seem all that productive to me. Some of the new content is entertaining to some people. ?

You misunderstand me. I just started leveling a toon and I get this quest to go to a location that I’ve never heard of, but I am leveling my toon. So I would like to do this later…but oh this content will be gone again.

The problem is that events are ok but there are too many and they take the place of consistent content that stays in the game. One of the things I had a problem with from the start is the approach that the game is trying to tell you when to do what. I can’t set my own pace unless I avoid a lot of this stuff.

Now, some of that can be fun, but it just seems it’s coming and going at a pace that makes it I’d rather not get involved. What do I care who wins this election between two npc’s that just got pulled out of a hat?

GW2 seems to’ve gone the direction of a roller coaster ride or rather going from one ride to the next. To me they’re just meaningless snippets. Maybe when you’re 80, got your legendary sword and wonder what to do this will keep you busy, but I prefer more content that stays and that I can decide when I have time for it.

Vayne.8563:

Why cut yourself off from potential entertainment? Why is the previous definition of end game in an MMO something that can’t change…or even be improved upon?

It can be. But as explained above, it doesn’t work for me in this way. It’s always a matter of preference but different isn’t always better.

There are far far fewer people starting this game now than have already finished all the regular content. The game has sold somewhere between 3-4 million, but the biggest percentage of that was sold in the first three, maybe four months.

So your situation is, if not usual, certainly not something I’d program for as a developer. All the old content is there, but you can’t run a game on just the new people.

It’s like in Guild Wars 1 when zaishen quests were introduced. War in Kryta was introduced. You had to play the entire game to get to much of that content.

And no one was playing the early game so people were left out of it. Anet learned from that. Now they’re not excluding players. By the same token, you can still play through the original content if you want.

It’s just that you have another option as well.

They need to add a permanent version of the WoW-40 man PvP BG.

Sorry, Im not really sure what they need to do different to please, all I know is that we could use something different.

I´m adding in here: I don’t like the LS either so far. It’s too much achievement/reward-focussed for me, than story/explorer-driven. This last one for instance: remove all the minigames and you have zero story progress. Just one tiny dialogue between Kiel, Evon and the Master, with a little info about Sanctum.

All the games around it, they don’t feel meaningful at all. Now if you like minigames, fine, many people find them fun. But they don’t contribute to the story or character progression. What does the Arena tell us about the person Kiel is? Nothing. What do the trials tell about our candidates? That one is bad, and the other good. That is very minor storytelling.

I was hoping for more lore, story and exploring, but lately it seems all there is is JP, achievements, skins, and minigames. I don’t say remove them, but if they are in there, please connect them to the story in a meaningful way.

To sum it up: the LS so far consists mostly of meaningless activities. Is this what the community wants? Based on the topics lately I don’t think so.

snakeboy.3062:

I´m adding in here: I don’t like the LS either so far. It’s too much achievement/reward-focussed for me, than story/explorer-driven. This last one for instance: remove all the minigames and you have zero story progress. Just one tiny dialogue between Kiel, Evon and the Master, with a little info about Sanctum.

All the games around it, they don’t feel meaningful at all. Now if you like minigames, fine, many people find them fun. But they don’t contribute to the story or character progression. What does the Arena tell us about the person Kiel is? Nothing. What do the trials tell about our candidates? That one is bad, and the other good. That is very minor storytelling.

I was hoping for more lore, story and exploring, but lately it seems all there is is JP, achievements, skins, and minigames. I don’t say remove them, but if they are in there, please connect them to the story in a meaningful way.

To sum it up: the LS so far consists mostly of meaningless activities. Is this what the community wants? Based on the topics lately I don’t think so.

Using the word “community” the way you do is dangerous. Which community are you talking about? There isn’t just one community here.

What percentage of MMO players skip text quest and cut scenes as a matter of course? Do you have any idea? I’d wager most of them.

What you have is the people who complain about what they don’t like, compared to most people who don’t, because they either don’t care, or don’t need to complain. There’s no reason for them to post if they’re happily playing.

I don’t count 50 negative posts about stories on these forums. You’re truly talking about a handful of people…and I’m one of them. I like story (more than lore but I like lore too). And yes I differentiate between story and lore.

But I also acknowledge most gamers don’t give a kitten .

Vayne.8563:

Using the word “community” the way you do is dangerous. Which community are you talking about? There isn’t just one community here.

I’d say a bit rhetorical, but dangerous?

When I scroll the forums I see people who take the time posting how they like stuff, like the minigames, and I see people taking the time tot tell what they don’t like. So treating the fora as a representive survey is not so harmful I think. Besides, it’s the only thing we have to make assumptions.

I think it’s legitimate to say that a large amount of people don’t like the way the LS is evolving.

I think Vayne had a very good point about people skipping dialogue.

I have lost count of how many times I have heard people complain here that they don’t like the Story- only to say in the same post that they either didn’t do it at all or skipped the actual story parts.
Same goes for people who say that they don’t know who Kiel is etc… If you had been paying attention at all, you would know.

As for the current update- sure we have mini games- that is as part of the election and the candidates are providing it as entertainment- while at the same time people are voting for whomever they want to sit on the council.
That makes sense in context.

It also makes sense form the perspective that people right here on these forums have been asking for mini games and permanent content- also the return of Battle Royalle.

Sorry you don’t like the direction the game is going in- I do, many of my friends do and judging by the fact that my server is bursting at the seams with new and returning players, so do many others.

From what I’ve seen and heard on the forums, many people aren’t happy with these really irrelevant content patches. Maybe were reading different forums………… Why cant’t anet add sustainable content such as dungeons that stay, new WvW maps, Raids if anet was to do it right, could be done and not impact the game so the casuals could do them or not do them. Instead we got mini games…… Sometimes I feel like I’m playing the 2013 edition of super mario bro’s more then I am a MMO.

Morrigan.2809:

I think Vayne had a very good point about people skipping dialogue.

I have lost count of how many times I have heard people complain here that they don’t like the Story- only to say in the same post that they either didn’t do it at all or skipped the actual story parts.

To be fair to them, perhaps they were looking for writing that didn’t make them want to laugh (and not in a good way). In order to enjoy the game, you have to ignore a lot of the dialogue.

Legendary hero of the Norn to you after half a dozen interactions, “You’ve taught me to be a hero again”, which btw, is right after (on the priory line) your “mentor” tells you that you’ve changed their life and taught them how to be heroic…

The writing in a game is never likely to make Cormac McCarthy brim with envy, but it shouldn’t be as bad as it is either.

Araziel.7201:

Teofa Tsavo.9863:

Given the last few stories, I’m expecting a Centaur/Branded alliance. Yes.. Bronies.
I’m expecting Ninja. Then Ninja Pirates. Then Airborne Ninja Pirates. Along with a wizard school, a secret coven of Sparkly vamps with sparkly weapons, and a gorilla going wild tossing ale barrels around.

You have come to the conclusion that I have a long time ago. It saddened me greatly to see such an epic game go down the toilet and become nothing more than a Chuck E. Cheese ticket counter.

Very well put.

Unleashed.6195:

Morrigan.2809:

I think Vayne had a very good point about people skipping dialogue.

I have lost count of how many times I have heard people complain here that they don’t like the Story- only to say in the same post that they either didn’t do it at all or skipped the actual story parts.

To be fair to them, perhaps they were looking for writing that didn’t make them want to laugh (and not in a good way). In order to enjoy the game, you have to ignore a lot of the dialogue.

Legendary hero of the Norn to you after half a dozen interactions, “You’ve taught me to be a hero again”, which btw, is right after (on the priory line) your “mentor” tells you that you’ve changed their life and taught them how to be heroic…

The writing in a game is never likely to make Cormac McCarthy brim with envy, but it shouldn’t be something Stephenie Meyer would chuckle at either.

Or disconnect totally. Oh I remember seeing my first Vigil pal, after my promotion to Warmaster, remembering us fighting the Dastardly Dredge, saving the Dorf, comrades in arms.. and I said hello.. and he said.. “you aren’t quite ready to join the vigil yet”