Guild Wars 2

I was awaiting the new Feb. monthlys hoping you would get away from forcing players into fractal and dungeon instances and into more dynamic happenings. But, alas, NO ! Just like WoW you seem bound and determined to force us to PUG instance dungeons. Well, if that’s what I wanted to do I could have stayed on WoW.

I liked doing the monthly the first couple of months. Then you discovered you needed to force us into dungeons and fractals since you made them, but lots of us are not interested in them. You can scale our toons up or down to an area why can’t you scale the dungeons or fractals to the 2, 3.or 4 people we have to do them instead of instead of insisting on PUGs of 5. I have one other person I’d do them with, but, no you have PUG on the brain here too.

I’d like to be able to do the monthlys again!!! But as long as you insist on part of them being PUG’s for fractals and dungeons I’m out. I don’t even like the WvW but it’s more fun than the PUG’s and it at least has a dynamic aspect to it.

I know some people like this stuff but there are a lot who don’t. Perhaps you could give us 7 monthly options and we need to complete 5 of them. That way the people who like the dungeons could do them and those of us who would like more dynamic stuff could do that too.

Whoooosh. The sound of another monthly passing the open world players by……

Dude you do realize Anet has said you dont have to do the monthly. Its your choice to do it or not no one is forcing you.

Also note your last point is what they are already doing if you actually read the forums posts made by them lol. Get up with the times before posting.

I’m excited about this one… no WvW…. I finally won’t have to wade into PvP that I prefer not to do.

We all have preferences, no one is forcing you to do the monthly. I missed it all but one month because I don’t PvP….

You don’t want to do what’s on the menu this month? You don’t have to!

Suddenflame.2601:

Dude you do realize Anet has said you dont have to do the monthly. Its your choice to do it or not no one is forcing you.

Also note your last point is what they are already doing if you actually read the forums posts made by them lol. Get up with the times before posting.

Yea, I figure in a year I might get one monthly award. Yippeeeee! I am ROLLIN’ in it.

In the next patch will be the do X out of Y and achieve the daily/monthly.

I’m looking forward to it.

I’d also love for them to split up the WvW, PvP, Dungeon, and general PvE monthlies. Give a bonus to those who complete 3 out of 4 of the monthlies to promote trying new things.

I’m sure there are enough unique to WvW things for monthlies. Dungeons there are enough dungeons to do that. And there’s enough in PvE to not have one be related to WvW, dungeons, or both.

But I’m not going to hold my breath for that.

Suddenflame.2601:

Dude you do realize Anet has said you dont have to do the monthly. Its your choice to do it or not no one is forcing you.

i also don’t have to level, or chat, or even move around. your argument is invalid.

to not do the monthly means a loss of 10 laurels. that puts you way way behind in getting them which puts you back for wvwvw.

it already takes 30 days assuming you do a daily every day…. if you want some of the other rewards for laurels you can enjoy spending 75 days doing dailies if you don’t want the 10 from the monthly.

do fracs count as dungeons?

vespers.1759:

Suddenflame.2601:

Dude you do realize Anet has said you dont have to do the monthly. Its your choice to do it or not no one is forcing you.

i also don’t have to level, or chat, or even move around. your argument is invalid.

to not do the monthly means a loss of 10 laurels. that puts you way way behind in getting them which puts you back for wvwvw.

it already takes 30 days assuming you do a daily every day…. if you want some of the other rewards for laurels you can enjoy spending 75 days doing dailies if you don’t want the 10 from the monthly.

Still your choice my argument is still valid. Does anyone say that you have to get that amulet? no. You just want it so you have to make the effort to do it. And yes i do my dailies every day and my monthlies every month but i tend to do them out of fun not once did i have to go out of my way to complete a single one.

By choosing to leave out any content is your choice and is detrimental to your character in one form or another. By limiting what you want to do limits what you are awarded. Its your choice and no one is forcing you to limit yourself.

I haven’t logged in yet, but I have to ask – since it is midday on the 1st in Australia, and the 1st is still quite a few hours away in America, how do you know what the new monthlies are?

Suddenflame.2601:

By choosing to leave out any content is your choice and is detrimental to your character in one form or another. By limiting what you want to do limits what you are awarded. Its your choice and no one is forcing you to limit yourself.

Agree. I might not have gotten ANY monthly since the game was released due to either dungeons or WvW requirements. But I don’t complain about it. As I chose not to do them.

Of course, I wouldn’t mind it if one month I didn’t have to do either dungeons or WvW to get the monthly.

I thought it all looked pretty decent (better then in the past so far). But I’m not much of a dungeon-goer anymore so that one is out for me.

I will also be looking forward to the pick and choose option in the future. I haven’t gotten many monthlies done in the past due to either too many dungeon requirements or WvW that I don’t feel like doing.

Anyways, I feel it is a step in the right direction at least. Not complaining though, I never expect to actually finish a daily in their current states lately anyways. If I do it will be a big surprise. :P

And dailies reset around an hour ago, so monthlies roll over then too. Since dailies and stuff are pretty much a day ahead when they roll over in the evening 4pm PST.

I never liked the WvW or fractals being in the monthlies either. But it didn’t matter so much before. Now that you get laurels from monthlies, it does matter. Since the point was always that you can play how you like to play and not be left behind in anyway. Now people are kind of “forced” to do things they don’t like, if they want those 10 laurels. 10 days worth of dailies.

I like em.

I’m the opposite of you im glad they arent forcing me into wvw.

Monthly achievements aren’t mandatory to complete. It’s not like if you don’t do them they delete your account.

Wasabi Kitty.8247:

Monthly achievements aren’t mandatory to complete. It’s not like if you don’t do them they delete your account.

They kind of are if you don’t want to be left out of the 10 laurels. The previous reward system was more forgiving. You didn’t really miss out on something you couldn’t get in some other way. And since laurels, at least for the moment, are only gotten through dailies and monthlies, that 10 is quite a lot of laurels to miss out on if you don’t do the monthly.

What do you people like?

TC doesn’t want to do anything that requires him to work with a PUG. That rules dungeons and Fractals out. Johny doesn’t want to do any form of PvP. That rules sPvP and WvW out. Timmy doesn’t like crafting. That rules crafting out. Billy hates spending money on gathering tools and salvage kits. So there go those objectives. Susie plays a strictly-supportive elementalist, so asking her to kill stuff isn’t fair.

Keep going and there’ll be nothing left. If all you whiners get your way, we’re either going to automatically complete the Monthly Achievement by virtue of logging on or we’re not going to have Monthly Achievements at all. Whoo-freaking-hoo!

darkace.8925:

What do you people like?

TC doesn’t want to do anything that requires him to work with a PUG. That rules dungeons and Fractals out. Johny doesn’t want to do any form of PvP. That rules sPvP and WvW out. Timmy doesn’t like crafting. That rules crafting out. Billy hates spending money on gathering tools and salvage kits. So there go those objectives. Susie plays a strictly-supportive elementalist, so asking her to kill stuff isn’t fair.

Keep going and there’ll be nothing left. If all you whiners get your way, we’re either going to automatically complete the Monthly Achievement by virtue of logging on or we’re not going to have Monthly Achievements at all. Whoo-freaking-hoo!

What I’d like is one month in a year to have it where the Monthly is achievable by doing things I normally do. No WvW, no dungeons, no fractals.

I also wouldn’t mind it if one month out of the year, the monthly was devoted entirely to WvW, dungeons, and/or fractals.

However, if the do X out Y that’s coming in the next patch applies to monthlies, I’ll be happy. There’s usually only ONE category in the monthly that relates to WvW, Dungeons, and Fractals. And then I’ll be happy.

Well they didnt say they will change the montlies to that in the “next” patch but i remember reading a dev statement where they said they are working on changing the monthly the same way as they are changing the daily at the moment. The x out of y for the dailies will be implemented as soon as they are sure all the new dailies work correctly. Which probably means they will do that for the monthly as well and hopefully implement that soon. I really hate to do WvW when the rest is pure PvE which i do as i play

Greetz (‘-’)/

Sokar Rostau.7316:

I haven’t logged in yet, but I have to ask – since it is midday on the 1st in Australia, and the 1st is still quite a few hours away in America, how do you know what the new monthlies are?

they reset at 00:00 GMT

Rumors, sorry don’t believe much of what I hear and only about half of the rest. When I see it in the game I’ll believe it.

Monthlys are fun and I like doing them. Just hate dungeons and PUGS. Dynamic game means getting away from instances and dungeons and fractals not MORE!!!!!! But for a few months now monthlys required dungeons or fractals at least 3 times. I just want a chance to particapate once in a while. And what’s wrong with scaling dungeons and fractals to number of players. If it’s just as hard for 2 as 5 or 10 or 25 what’s the difference.

its the best monthly since launch. all extremely easy and for once im not forced to do freaking wvw and most importantly youtube/google 30 puzzles (which i didn’t do and that was my first monthly uncompleted)

Suddenflame.2601:

Dude you do realize Anet has said you dont have to do the monthly. Its your choice to do it or not no one is forcing you.

This type of reasoning ignores the fact that the whole game is optional, and thus has no validity in terms of this discussion.

Peoples’ preferences about monthlies are not, nor have they ever been about needing to do them, they’ve been about wanting to do them, but not liking some of the requirements.

The OP is probably the minority here who dislike this monthly.

You never had to complete the jumping puzzles, just discovering them. You could also discover on multiple characters and if there was an overflow you could do it in that overflow as well.

Nuka Cola.8520:

its the best monthly since launch. all extremely easy and for once im not forced to do freaking wvw and most importantly youtube/google 30 puzzles (which i didn’t do and that was my first monthly uncompleted)

…or you could do the same three ones, every day, for 10 days.

I would also like to know why we don’t have solo dungeons in this game, dungeons that take 30 minutes max! Having said that though, this has to be the mildest Monthly since the start. There is no WvW participation or kill requirement at all.

I’ll get this one done in 5 days, max! (and I hate dungeons…)

Nalora.7964:

Whoooosh. The sound of another monthly passing the open world players by……

This. Why can’t they do something like X amount of champions killed? Have it so dungeon bosses count as well as events. Everybody happy!

Yup the new daily reward scheme seemed cool until I realised it actually screws me over more than the old system. Now I’m losing a useful currency instead of just karma, because they refuse to give us monthly achvs that don’t try to force me into some horrible PuG dungeon.

Is it seriously that hard to give us multiple options for the monthly already? Or to just stop putting in forced group content as one of the achvs?

Doing a dungeon does not have to mean using a pug. I do dungeons with my guild. You need to find either four other guildies who also want the monthly, or you need to make some friends who like doing dungeons.

Join or make a secondary guild just to do dungeons, and you don’t have to pug when they come up.

I don’t mind dungeons at all, but I hate pugging. So I run dungeons with friends. Doing dungeons with pugs is a whole lot worse than doing dungeons.

Vayne.8563:

Doing a dungeon does not have to mean using a pug. I do dungeons with my guild. You need to find either four other guildies who also want the monthly, or you need to make some friends who like doing dungeons.

Join or make a secondary guild just to do dungeons, and you don’t have to pug when they come up.

I don’t mind dungeons at all, but I hate pugging. So I run dungeons with friends. Doing dungeons with pugs is a whole lot worse than doing dungeons.

I’m in a WvW guild – they generally frown upon you doing PvE, and they don’t like you repping other guilds as you can’t see the CTA in guild chat. Kinda makes doing dungeons a bit of a pita unless I guild quit (which I’d rather not do as I enjoy WvW). If I want to log on and do some PvE I just log in as invisible and do whatever I want – can’t do that with group content.

Quite frankly, if I had to join a guild full of people I didn’t know who are not even remotely my friends just to do dungeons then I may as well be in a PuG. Unfortunately most of my friends didn’t really like the game and went back to WoW; if they were still playing I would happily run the dungeons with them.

So yeah, still WTB solo options for the monthlies; if WvW was offering me alternative monthlies to get laurels, I might feel differently but it’s kinda the redheaded stepchild of GW2 atm.

The monthly shouldn’t force people to do either WvW or dungeons if they don’t enjoy them; they should give us say 6-10 options, and let us pick to complete the 4 we’d enjoy the most.

Kaiarra.7641:

So yeah, still WTB solo options for the monthlies; if WvW was offering me alternative monthlies to get laurels, I might feel differently but it’s kinda the redheaded stepchild of GW2 atm.

The monthly shouldn’t force people to do either WvW or dungeons if they don’t enjoy them; they should give us say 6-10 options, and let us pick to complete the 4 we’d enjoy the most.

Seconded! Please don’t make me do dungeons or WvW, especially now that I would like to get laurels.

One of the devs’ stated goals is to allow people to play the way they want, offering rewards in only one area of the game is very much against this policy. With the new laurels I can finally get ascended gear playing my way, so thanks for that.

how bad do you want laurels, karma and.. what ever else you get with monthlies? Bad enough to actually do the things you don’t like to do? .. making the game feel like a grind, making you want to quit the game? If the monthlies are an issue for you there, then don’t do them. I hate making my fun filled gaming time feel like work.. if i wanted to work i would go to work..on my off time… I seriously don’t force myself to do things in a game if i am not interested in them.. and if i miss out on something because of it then oh well, its a game.

Vayne.8563:

Doing a dungeon does not have to mean using a pug. I do dungeons with my guild. You need to find either four other guildies who also want the monthly, or you need to make some friends who like doing dungeons.

Even if I wanted to do that (which I don’t) it couldn’t be done in 28 days. Running with guildies is still running with strangers and I don’t make friends fast enough for the other to be plausible. Just saying. :P

Nalora.7964:

Whoooosh. The sound of another monthly passing the open world players by……

This monthly actually seems quite “open world” friendly. You get drops in the open world, so you can salvage. Events are all over the open world, so you can complete that portion. Dailies are often “open world” focused as well. I believe today’s was events, gathering, crafting, reviving, and kill variety. Each of those is easy for “open worlding.”

I’d say that the only part of the monthly that is not friendly to “open world” players is the 5 dungeons part.

This has got to be the easiest monthly I can remember. People will find anything to complain about.

Dailies I already do.
Events I already do. I will do at least 5 times more than the requirement.
Salvaging? Are you kidding? What’s next, breathing?
Dungeons are such a basic requirement. It’s a large part of the game. If you don’t want to pug maybe you should get some friends, huh? If you’re having a super-hard time of it, just run AC story a few times and play marathon boulder-ball with all the bosses for easy clears.

I forget what the last requirement is, but its a nothing requirement that’s also easy.

This one is so easy I don’t have words polite enough to stress it .There’s not even a WvW requirement. Do it. You’re not entitled to laurels.

“Please don’t make me play the game to get rewards in the game plzkthnx.”

Part of the promise about Ascended items was that they would be available in other ways than through the Fractals dungeon. This was presumably to accommodate players who prefer doing something other than dungeons. This is the first monthly after the new laurel-bought Ascended items have been introduced. Given all of the above, I find it ironic that one of the requirements is dungeon participation.

IndigoSundown.5419:

Part of the promise about Ascended items was that they would be available in other ways than through the Fractals dungeon. This was presumably to accommodate players who prefer doing something other than dungeons. This is the first monthly after the new laurel-bought Ascended items have been introduced. Given all of the above, I find it ironic that one of the requirements is dungeon participation.

Except you can completely ignore the monthly and get laurels through dailies. No monthly requirement.

oh noes

When you decide to post about not liking an achievement, stop…and think about what an achievement is and the nature of the thing you are complaining about.

It is effectively a challenge. Do X in Y time and get something extra for it. It’s meant to get you to try new things, see new stuff, play different ways.

If you don’t like the requirements, or can’t meet the challenge then you can still finish your story, get a character to 80, craft/farm/buy exotic gear, unlock all your skills, explore all the zone, kill dragons, feed cows or do whatever else floats your boat.

“But I have to do monthlies if I want an ascended amulet…”

1.) if you dont do dungeons then what do you need one for anyway? Most of the game scales you down and the parts that don’t weren’t designed around those stats. Ascended gear is for the higher difficulty content, ie dungeons.

2.) If you could craft them, they would need to be expensive enough to be comparable to the two months of time needed to buy one with Luarels. But you would still have people complaining on one side they are too expensive, and on the other side that ascended is now pay-to-win since you can buy gold to buy the mats while people that don’t spend money have to get achievements for weeks on end on every single character.

3.) They could just make ascended gear as easy to get as exotic, undermining the entire purpose for it to be included as something that takes a while to get after exotic but can be gotten faster than legendaries. And then players will complain their characters are all maxed now and they are bored because there is nothing to do, no progression, and nothing to work for.

“But I am a completionist and it bothers me I have to do something I dont like for achievements or the best gear.”

1.) Completionists care about the end goal and will suck up the requirements to get there, even if they don’t like them, because the end result matters more than all else. If your desire to not want to craft ten things, or do five dungeons in 30 days time is greater than your desire to fill a little status bar, get a little icon or title, or get a specific item in a specific slot, then you are not a completionist.

Moral of the story…if you want the stuff from the laurel vendor bad enough then play outside your comfort zone and make the effort to achieve a specific goal thus achieving something. If its not worth the effort, then you don’t need it. Nor should you get it some easier way specifically tailored to your liking, because that trivializes the achievements and effort of others and likely someone else wouldn’t like your way either; thus they now need to be catered to in kind which leads to a never ending cycle of kitten everyone off while trying to make everyone happy.

So… whats the monthly achievements for Feb? I can’t log on right now.

makes me wonder if u would have written the same if it were a wvw achievement instead of dungeons.
and yes, a monthly is necessary with the rediculous laurelprices of ascendent gear for us who refuse to run fotm. hell even with the monthly it still takes to long to get them. and frankly i dont see how taking out fotm-dungeon just to replace it with other dungeons is supposed to be any better for us who dont run them for whatever reasons. a-net should have brought neutral monthlys (they managed the 1st 2 months of the game if i remember right) even if they r easier until their new reward system is fully implemented.

AcidicVision.5498:

1.) if you dont do dungeons than what do you need one for anyway? Most of the game scales you down and the parts that don’t weren’t designed around those stats. Ascended gear is for the higher difficult content, ie dungeons.

The entire reason people wanted a way to get ascended without wasting time in group pve was so they could have it for wvw. These monthlies, which get you an extremely significant boost to your laurel generation rate, require wasting time in dungeons.

‘The whole game is the endgame’ but only if it includes forced group pve. ‘Play the content you enjoy to get the same rewards’ so long as you enjoy rolling your face around against scripted targets.

Chickenshoes.6250:

IndigoSundown.5419:

Part of the promise about Ascended items was that they would be available in other ways than through the Fractals dungeon. This was presumably to accommodate players who prefer doing something other than dungeons. This is the first monthly after the new laurel-bought Ascended items have been introduced. Given all of the above, I find it ironic that one of the requirements is dungeon participation.

Except you can completely ignore the monthly and get laurels through dailies. No monthly requirement.

oh noes

This does not make it less ironic, sorry.

There’s no daily requirement either, no requirement to collect laurels, no requirement to get Ascended items, no requirement to even play the game. It’s not about required or optional, or about needs. It is about wants.

I will say one thing. There are always going to be players who don’t like at least one of the requirements. The choose x of y system cannot come soon enough. At least then the complaints will be reduced to players who say, “I have to choose 4 of 6 options, but I don’t like these 3!”

Coldtart.4785:

AcidicVision.5498:

1.) if you dont do dungeons than what do you need one for anyway? Most of the game scales you down and the parts that don’t weren’t designed around those stats. Ascended gear is for the higher difficult content, ie dungeons.

The entire reason people wanted a way to get ascended without wasting time in group pve was so they could have it for wvw. These monthlies, which get you an extremely significant boost to your laurel generation rate, require wasting time in dungeons.

‘The whole game is the endgame’ but only if it includes forced group pve. ‘Play the content you enjoy to get the same rewards’ so long as you enjoy rolling your face around against scripted targets.

Wasn’t a retool of the honor merchants, and the addition of ascended gear coming to WvW along with the other big changes in the February patch? I think you might be jumping the gun a bit there.

Nuka Cola.8520:

its the best monthly since launch. all extremely easy and for once im not forced to do freaking wvw and most importantly youtube/google 30 puzzles (which i didn’t do and that was my first monthly uncompleted)

You do realise that you didn’t have to complete the JP’s, just find the start of them? Even for someone who didn’t have 100% exploration it wouldn’t take that long to find them.

It’s nice to see there are so many other players out there like me. I will plod my way through this monthly but I am disappointed to see dungeons for the 5th month in a row.

I am all for open world group content and wvw but dungeons require more concentration and focus than I am willing to put into a leisurely video game.

IndigoSundown.5419:

Chickenshoes.6250:

IndigoSundown.5419:

Part of the promise about Ascended items was that they would be available in other ways than through the Fractals dungeon. This was presumably to accommodate players who prefer doing something other than dungeons. This is the first monthly after the new laurel-bought Ascended items have been introduced. Given all of the above, I find it ironic that one of the requirements is dungeon participation.

Except you can completely ignore the monthly and get laurels through dailies. No monthly requirement.

oh noes

This does not make it less ironic, sorry.

There’s no daily requirement either, no requirement to collect laurels, no requirement to get Ascended items, no requirement to even play the game. It’s not about required or optional, or about needs. It is about wants.

monthly achievements:

• Dungeon is too boring/whatever
• wvw is too lame/whater
  so on and so forth….
• solution: don’t do them, stay happy because you are not bored/whatever.?
  -the issue is you don’t get rewarded…. but you are happy you didnt have to grind through hours of boring/whatever monthly achievements right? I guess you will just have to suffer more fun filled hours of game play, doing dailies that you find agreeable until you can get the items you like.

it is monthly achievements. what are you achieving if you just do what you always do and get extra rewards for it… If i play a different game and see the achievements and don’t want to do them but really really want the “reward” form doing them. i don’t head off to the game’s forums and demand them change it, nor do i go and complain that they are too hard. i simply don’t do them. (oh no! that’s irrelevant)…….

Kilgorn.1463:

I never liked the WvW or fractals being in the monthlies either. But it didn’t matter so much before. Now that you get laurels from monthlies, it does matter. Since the point was always that you can play how you like to play and not be left behind in anyway. Now people are kind of “forced” to do things they don’t like, if they want those 10 laurels. 10 days worth of dailies.

No they are not. If you don’t want to do dungeons you don’t need exotic gear, if you don’t want to do fractals at all you don’t need to bother with ascended gear.