Guild Wars 2

I feel exactly the same. Too much is too much. We don’t need an expansion’s worth of content if the direction goes this way. If I wanted more content, please allow me to choose whether I want it or not.. Let ME buy an expansion pack if I want to, not shove it down my throat.

Yes. I’m with you 100%.

I simply incorporate the legendary process into what I do. I am especially focused since precursor prices should drop SUBSTANTIALLY in the next week. Precursors now drop from Guild Missions.

Here’s how I do it:

• Exclude Precursor from the legendary process. Yes, you need it, but I would either wait for price to go down or scavenger hunt.
• Divide the remaining 3 gifts into fourths. You should now have 12 things that need completion
• Set a goal for the month/week.
• Ex. Monthly goal- complete 2/12ths of legendary. Weekly goal- 25g + 50ecto.

Once you have a goal in mind, do whatever you want as long as you have that goal in mind. If you have a little extra money left over, treat yourself!

In addition, don’t burn out. You have plenty of time and legendary weapons are a long process. Take time to experience each update (for better or for worse, lol).

+99999

feel the same way, I only get to play for 2-3 hrs a day and all i do now is cof p1/p2 once on two characters for money, and then do dailies and log. That grind for gear is insane….

As i said in another thread,

A.Nets strategy -

Target the 5% of hardcore players and make them happy while royally screw the 95% of the casual player base

This post is amazing

Never was I once able to put my finger on what was goin on here. But as I followed you sentence to sentence I felt the weight of everything I need to do in game come crashing done.

Maybe not so dramatic but wow does this sum it up.

Im also going to add that for the first time today I watched several people literally quit and give everything they had away. We’ve all seen the posts but I witnessed first hand someone pack up and say screw it this isnt what I signed up for.

I feel the same. I have 11 characters because I thought it would be safe in a ‘non-grindy’ game. I was completely happy with GW2 all the way up to 11/15 and the addition of vertical progression. Watching how they added the treadmills first to FotM and then to other parts of the game, I realized I would never be able to move more than one character along the power curve. I have 8 80’s and don’t do dungeons. That would be 8 months to get them all an amulet and that is just one slot that we are grinding for.

I miss the days before 11/15. They were a fresh experience of the MMO after years of grinding in WoW. Now the patches are dreaded and always fulfill my expectations. It’s almost like another team, with no knowledge of the design philosophy, took the game over effective 11/15. It’s sad as I planned to make GW2 my home MMO. It’s looking less and less like a viable option.

Personally I agree with you and throwing all these grind for gear components are there for one reason specifically: To keep people playing without investing in adding and developing new content.

It’s nice to see that I am not the only one who feels like the game is loosing focus/making it hard for me as a player to focus on something. I just wish that instead of introducing new gear and new ways to get said gear, streamline it using old methods of acquisition instead. It would go a long way to making me feel like I don’t have to do 1000 different things to accomplish one goal.

For example: They wanted to introduce ascended gear? Fine. Instead of giving us Pristine Fractal Relics, Laurels and now Guild Commendations… why not just add it to the current dungeon and karma vendors? Why give us THREE new currencies we now have to keep track of on top of all the other ones? Right now, Karma and Dungeon tokens are completely useless to me. I have all the obsidian shards I need for the legendary, and still nearly 80 jugs of karma sitting in my bank waiting to have some sort of use – I can’t even gear an alt because the gear I want, Valkyrie, can only be crafted.

I feel like I am starting to sound whiny, so I’ll just finish for now saying: I would gladly farm 1000 dungeon tokens for one ascended item. It would be so streamlined – Dungeon tokens for the ascended item. Rares I pick up in the dungeon salvaged for ectos, mat drops for legendary progress, PLUS gold for misc items I may need. I could gladly work at my own pace rather than being told “Nope sorry, only one Laurel a day mister. We don’t want you getting that too soon now.”

The above could be said for open world Karma farming – and would involve that Dynamic Event system Anet is so proud of. Suddenly I can play the Living Story events AND gain progress on gear. What madness!

I think one of the problems is that they’re pumping out a lot of content very quickly, and as a result it’s very easy to be inundated by all the new things. First it was Fractals in order to get rings, but then you need to do dailies to get the amulet, and now you need to do Guild Missions to get the Accessories any time soon.

I think one of the things to realize is that:
A) Fractals isn’t going anywhere, so you shouldn’t feel pressured to HAVE to farm the amulet or the accessories.
B) Guild Missions are a permanent addition to the game, so it doesn’t matter if you need to farm the influence: It will always be there.
C) Realizing that, unless you plan to do fractals, a meager boost of stats on your backpack, rings, accessories, and amulet isn’t going to do much for you in a dungeon.

One of the things I’ve had work is just take your time. Play at your own pace. It doesn’t matter if you don’t get the amulet on the 20th day. Honestly, I have mine and I haven’t even done Fractals yet (since I plan to go berserk in March with my guild to push through a ton of fractal levels). I could have bought dyes and my experience with the game would have been borderline identical.

Yeah Anet, stop giving us free stuff!

If there was ever a post that encompasses why Arenanet should just totally disregard the forums, it’d be this one.

I don’t feel this way at all.

I only play on one or two characters, since I hate repeating content if it can be avoided, and I’m taking my time with them. There is nothing forcing me into any direction. I play the game the way I want to on my characters.

The only thing I have an issue with are the dailies and monthly. They can sometimes feel like a grind. Thankfully, I usually complete them by just playing the game.

Ickorus.4518:

Yeah Anet, stop giving us free stuff!

If there was ever a post that encompasses why Arenanet should just totally disregard the forums, it’d be this one.

+1

Really OP, in a game this massive you will never be able to do everything, you will never be able to finish the game. Just focus on the things you like to do and sample some of the other stuff in your spare time. Things you find fun may change over time, that’s ok

I agree with the original poster. And the worst part is that while all these extra distrations are being added, major elements of the core game are still broken after all this time. Most dynamic events, for example, break down and stop working if the servers have gone more than a day or two between resets (which is, unfortunately, common).

Want to wow us with new and fresh gameplay we haven’t seen before? Start by fixing the dynamic events you already have.

Edge.4180:

I agree with the original poster. And the worst part is that while all these extra distrations are being added, major elements of the core game are still broken after all this time. Most dynamic events, for example, break down and stop working if the servers have gone more than a day or two between resets (which is, unfortunately, common).

Want to wow us with new and fresh gameplay we haven’t seen before? Start by fixing the dynamic events you already have.

Most dynamic events work flawlessly. I haven’t seen a bugged DE in months.

Ickorus.4518:

If there was ever a post that encompasses why Arenanet should just totally disregard the forums, it’d be this one.

Oh, I don’t think we have anything to worry about on that count.

This has been my worry for the game for a while now. The changes are coming too fast while needed fixes are largely being ignored.

I also feel like requiring you to do ONLY dailies for amulets (for instance) or guild missions for ascended accessories is a very bad way of going about things. I love my guild but what if the officers only want to start up guild missions once a week? I’m getting the shaft and have no way of getting those things other than joining another guild…which I really don’t want to do. It’s just another thing pulling me away from how I want to play this game into their version of what that should look like.

Im with the op in some respects. I understand I wont do “everything” in the game with every alt I have and I appreciate new content, especially when its free.

However its clear from the way things are going that Anet are scaling high end rewards for long term consistant play. And by long term I mean several months of daily play. Now I understand where they are going with this, they want to keep us playing as it generates profits. However I cant help but think that some of Anets expectations are unrealistic for the vast majority of its actual customers.

There will ALWAYS be hardcore players who live and breath a game, and will complain when they are repeating content for weeks on end for no reward. Those though are a minority, while the majority play less than them but for the same general reason (fun!).

Its not so much fun to be told “new content!” and then view the content and realise you wont see it / play it / get it for weeks or months. If Anet really intend to keep adding content monthly they need to reduce the scale of time required to access the content so that everyone has a reasonable expectation of accessing it within a reasonably time frame prior to more content releasing.

Personaly I have no real hope in hell of getting legendary anything, and I know so I simply dont bother even trying towards anything for them. And there in is the rub. If people think its reasonable and attainable they will do it. But for many things in the game, its not reasonable so they dont.

Hasn’t Anet said from the very beginning that they wanted to give us as many options on how to play as they could so we play the way we want to. They give us plenty of options and we get to CHOOSE what we want to do if you cant understand the difference between choices and mandatory actions Id hate to see you in a voting booth.

Ickorus.4518:

Yeah Anet, stop giving us free stuff!

If there was ever a post that encompasses why Arenanet should just totally disregard the forums, it’d be this one.

My criticism was not meant to be “stop giving us free stuff”, but that all of this new content doesn’t feed into each other very well. Each time they push out new content, they push out separate, mutually exclusive ways in which to engage it.

taek.9386:

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feel the same way, I only get to play for 2-3 hrs a day and all i do now is cof p1/p2 once on two characters for money, and then do dailies and log. That grind for gear is insane….

As i said in another thread,

A.Nets strategy -

Target the 5% of hardcore players and make them happy while royally screw the 95% of the casual player base

You think hardcore players wanted this? That made me chuckle.

I’m sure we’re all cringing. The only reason this system is in place is to equalize people, so both casuals and hardcore players are being screwed right now. They want everyone to have the same chances as the next guy, casuals and hardcores alike.

They also want time syncs, but they’re poorly done time syncs.

The only thing “hardcore” about this content is it’s grind/petty time limitations. And that’s coming from a “hardcore” player.

I wonder if there is anything to accomplish in this game? Sure leveling an alt takes a while but from a max character point of view? I dont find much.

Grinding for a legendary isnt something you can realy “accomplish” its playing for month if not even years or spending money. The dungeons are so fast to rush that the dungeon gear you want is do able in a few days or so even if you dont play much.

Having more directions go is a good thing but am I the only thinking that no matter wich direction I walk in this game, I end up doing the same? Fotm gear isnt realy necessary for anything so you can easily skip that grind.

I dont even see the real need to do daylis or the month av, the laurels? Sure you can buy nice stuff but for what? It doesnt let my character progress in any way. For me I feel like my character is stale for month. I accomplished nothing new and I even had a few month break.

I had high hopes for the living story but after this patch its crushed.

Karizee.8076:

Edge.4180:

I agree with the original poster. And the worst part is that while all these extra distrations are being added, major elements of the core game are still broken after all this time. Most dynamic events, for example, break down and stop working if the servers have gone more than a day or two between resets (which is, unfortunately, common).

Want to wow us with new and fresh gameplay we haven’t seen before? Start by fixing the dynamic events you already have.

Most dynamic events work flawlessly. I haven’t seen a bugged DE in months.

You can not be serious. Honestly, what is more likely is that most of the same DE’s you happen to be around have been broken, and thus you’re not even aware they exist and are missing in the first place.

It is not at all uncommon for more than a dozen events in any given zone to have become inaccessible due to some sort of bug when the servers have gone for roughly a week without a reset.

taek.9386:

+99999

feel the same way, I only get to play for 2-3 hrs a day and all i do now is cof p1/p2 once on two characters for money, and then do dailies and log. That grind for gear is insane….

As i said in another thread,

A.Nets strategy -

Target the 5% of hardcore players and make them happy while royally screw the 95% of the casual player base

its actually the opposite.
screw the hardcore and grind addicts by giving them infinite grind.
while 95% are having fun doing what they feel like.

LordGustoff.3752:

…all I had to think about was what I wanted to wear and how I wanted to build my next alt.?

OMG pls don’t complain about there being too much to do. If you want a barren boring game with nothing to do after a week in there’s always Diablo 3.

Life is busy. So is a proper MMORPG. You can’t do everything, and not all at once.

Just don’t try and do everything.. set yourself a goal and go get it.. it is extremely hard to ‘fall behind’ in this game compared to other mmo’s.. hell before a week ago I hadn’t played for two months, I jump back in and I still have things to aim for.. and i’m no worse off then the next player.

Ickorus.4518:

Yeah Anet, stop giving us free stuff!

If there was ever a post that encompasses why Arenanet should just totally disregard the forums, it’d be this one.

Someone could give you an STD for free, does that mean they are doing you a favour? I use an extreme example to point out that just because something is free does not mean it is good or better than what you had before. The OP was well thought out and well reasoned, your post is ignorant and aggressive and adds little to nothing of value to the discussion.

To paraphrase the op: There is too much stuff to do!!! There are too many ways to do it!!! When given a choice, I feel like I need to do everything at once!!!

If you have limited time constraints, is that the games fault? It’s a 60 dollar one time payment for months and months and months of just playing a game. This isn’t work, this isn’t someone holding a gun to your head, it’s a game. If you are feeling like this, you may have some issues that are not game related.

Shiren.9532:

Ickorus.4518:

Yeah Anet, stop giving us free stuff!

If there was ever a post that encompasses why Arenanet should just totally disregard the forums, it’d be this one.

Someone could give you an STD for free, does that mean they are doing you a favour? I use an extreme example to point out that just because something is free does not mean it is good or better than what you had before. The OP was well thought out and well reasoned, your post is ignorant and aggressive and adds little to nothing of value to the discussion.

Are you even serious? Your example isn’t extreme, well yes, of extreme ignorance (if you can’t see that I won’t bother to explain). Adding more content can only be good; if you want, you play it, if not, move along.

To the OP: Seriously, who said you have to do it all? There might be who can and will and others who can’t and won’t. You don’t really think everyone plays DUNG, FOTM, W3, PVP etc. on a daily basis do you? Do what you enjoy. Can’t believe some people… next thing we now someone will ask for a subscription.

Only serious suggestion would be changing Dailies for Weeklies (which would account for 7 dailies but without the haste or fact of logging everyday).

killcannon.2576:

To paraphrase the op: There is too much stuff to do!!! There are too many ways to do it!!! When given a choice, I feel like I need to do everything at once!!!

If you have limited time constraints, is that the games fault? It’s a 60 dollar one time payment for months and months and months of just playing a game. This isn’t work, this isn’t someone holding a gun to your head, it’s a game. If you are feeling like this, you may have some issues that are not game related.

If you could acquire all BiS gear from all currencies, I’d be inclined to agree with you. That would mean you can CHOOSE to play through a wide variety of playstyles including dungeons, fractals, WvW, open world PvE, Guild Missions, etc. to get the gear that you want.

However, that’s not the case.

Right now, we have:

• Ascended earrings that are exclusive to Guild Missions and Laurels
• Ascended backpieces exclusive to Fractals
• Ascended amulets exclusive to Laurels
• Ascended rings exclusive to Fractals and laurels.

So, in order to achieve BiS gear…on ONE character, you must:

• Play guild missions
• Play fractals
• Do dailies and monthly on a regular basis
• Play dungeons/craft/buy exotic armor.

That’s 4 playstyles required to have BiS gear. And they must be done regularly to keep up. That is simply too much.

No more new currencies. Add every ascended piece to every playstyle.

• Karma
• Laurels
• Gold/Crafting
• Fractals
• Dungeons
• Guild missions
• and PLEASE give something to WvW.

Which is better? To have a group of folks run out of goals to work toward and stop playing until the next patch or have a group of folks feel overwhelmed because there are more goals to achieve than they can complete before the next patch?

I never did get around to getting commendations from Lionguard Lys, and yet I still had fun and I can still do all the things I want to do. I didn’t raid in WoW and somehow managed to enjoy the game. I feel confident that I can completely ignore guild merits and still have fun playing.

Games should not be designed so that typical players can complete every thing in the game before the next content update. There are folks out there that have way more time and energy to devote to GW2 and I don’t begrudge them having something to work towards just because it’s impossible for me to match their effort. When you have limited time to play, you have to focus on shorter term goals.

I don’t know if you followed Diablo 3 at all, but I knew it was going to be a disaster when the devs started boasting about how impossible inferno difficulty was going to be. Shortly afterward, there was a group of players that had beat inferno hanging around saying “yeah, right. Now what?” and another larger group still struggling to get past the first part saying “How is this fun?”. It’s better to have lots of things to work toward, even if everyone can’t achieve all of them.

Vorch.2985:

killcannon.2576:

To paraphrase the op: There is too much stuff to do!!! There are too many ways to do it!!! When given a choice, I feel like I need to do everything at once!!!

If you have limited time constraints, is that the games fault? It’s a 60 dollar one time payment for months and months and months of just playing a game. This isn’t work, this isn’t someone holding a gun to your head, it’s a game. If you are feeling like this, you may have some issues that are not game related.

If you could acquire all BiS gear from all currencies, I’d be inclined to agree with you. That would mean you can CHOOSE to play through a wide variety of playstyles including dungeons, fractals, WvW, open world PvE, Guild Missions, etc. to get the gear that you want.

However, that’s not the case.

Right now, we have:

• Ascended earrings that are exclusive to Guild Missions and Laurels
• Ascended backpieces exclusive to Fractals
• Ascended amulets exclusive to Laurels
• Ascended rings exclusive to Fractals and laurels.

So, in order to achieve BiS gear…on ONE character, you must:

• Play guild missions
• Play fractals
• Do dailies and monthly on a regular basis
• Play dungeons/craft/buy exotic armor.

That’s 4 playstyles required to have BiS gear. And they must be done regularly to keep up. That is simply too much.

No more new currencies. Add every ascended piece to every playstyle.

• Karma
• Laurels
• Gold/Crafting
• Fractals
• Dungeons
• Guild missions
• and PLEASE give something to WvW.

Agreed. But, originally ascended could only be gained from fractals. Then they added new ways to get it. My advice is to wait a bit, they should even it out across all play styles eventually. The original post read more like a content overload than a lack of gear opinion.

I agree 100 % !

It’s just getting out of control!

Instead try to make what you already have flawless.

If today’s daily categories were any indicator of things to come, I can’t say I’m too excited. Mystic Toilet usage and whatever “Keg Brawl” is? Honestly? What if I’m not keen on risking my hard-earned gold on RNG? Mystic Forging shouldn’t be on the daily list. Other folks and devs have stated multiple times that if you don’t want to play certain content, then you have the option not to. What they seem to be failing to mention (or realise) is that it’s at the expense of becoming completely obsolete stat-wise, which in turn, locks you out from new content. As much as I love my guildmates, I’m pretty sure they wouldn’t be so keen on taking me into Fractals or dungeons if I weren’t geared out in Exotic and Ascended pieces – not to mention that I wouldn’t let them, because I’d be a burden on the group.

Not even going to go into how I feel about Ectos becoming yet another currency.

On one hand, I’m quite happy with GW2 and the wealth of content that we’ve gotten for 50 euros. On the other hand, the diversity of content and its implementation is becoming a bit schizophrenic and grindy. After this patch, I’m worried about the direction of the game for the first time.

I think the biggest issue here is scheduling.

Guilds will probably schedule guild missions like they schedule raids in other mmos. I left those other mmos because I didn’t want to schedule my life around a video game.

Ahh well, thats too bad. I had a good run up until now.

Why aren’t amulets and accessories obtainable in FoTM? Why aren;t they obtainable via karma?

You developers will destroy your own game.

I used to just play how I wanted to. Explore ghe world, do dungeons, kill evil white rabbits and evil red invaders. The daily was simple, gave you mystic coins as a currency, and was straightforward.

Now, I have to run fractals for 3 hours without even having much of a chance of getting my skin, do random dailies I don’t want to do, and work with my guild to grind some guild influence to get this stupid nagging feeling of needing to get ascended gear.

Sure I don’t have to get the gear, but the fact that they exsist causes enough discomfort that I need do something about it.

Similar to how the green star telling you to do your story makes you do it simply to get rid of it from your screen.

I liked GW1 because it didn’t cause me to feel this way.

What is made worst is that these are account bound and gated for months or years. Each time a new piece is introduced, it is introduced exclusively to currency which have massive time gates on them (6 weeks for guild commendations, 3 weeks or more for laurels, with no other currency available).

Its also the same mistake they made with fractals, you could only fractals for rings. And then laurels for amulets IF you forgo rings for laurels. And now guild commendations for accessories unless you forgo amulets to get them with laurels. There really isn’t a play what you want for shinies mentality anymore, it’s play how ANet wants you to.

And then the bad is piled on even more with account bound limits, not allowing alts to also earn laurels for THEIR gear.

Which means if you take a break, you fall behind and are behind the curve. I used to like having the option to just take a break for a bit, especially when other games came out. Now I can’t do that.

I feel exactly the same as the OP and Lanser and many others here. But I’d like to add that even though you get these new things to do, they are actually not that different from a lot of other things in the game. This is making me feel like everything is becoming a big blob of similarities. I liked that they said you didn’t have to farm in gw2 but we all know that’s not true unless you can turn your head each time a shiny item shows up that you like the looks of.

Besides that, most updates and bugfixes seem to bring so many bugs. I can understand that it’s a big game and you can’t know how your piece of program will interact with parts already in the game but things in fractals turning invulnerable when you try to smack them with a greatsword…. that’s just wrong.

I am really feeling like lately gw2 doesn’t have anything to offer for me anymore.

What’s the rush? Aside from the Living Story quests none of this content is going anywhere so you’ve got plenty of time to do it.

People talk about how time consuming it is to gear up all their alts but again I don’t see the need to worry. How much stuff is there that you really need Ascended gear for? (FOTM yes, WvW maybe, everything else can be done with exotics, if not greens.) If you do think you need it why not just focus on getting it for 1 character and then use them to do those activities while you’re gearing up the others.

I have to admit I did feel a bit like this when the first Living Story patch came out, I dropped everything and rushed to get the title. Since then I’ve realised they seem to have learned their lesson since Halloween/Lost Shores. I would have had plenty of time to do it later on. This time I haven’t even started, I’m leaving it for the weekend when I’m going to combine it with my Norn heading back down to Hoelbrak for the next part of her Personal Story and my charr heading out from the Black Citadel. Then I’ll do it along the way.

Same with dailies/monthlies really. You don’t NEED to do them any more than you did before the update. There are more & better rewards but it’s not like you can’t do anything else until you’ve got those rewards. I only get to play about an hour a day on weekdays so whether I get the daily is very variable – when I’ve got about 15 minutes left I check my progress and if I’m close I’ll focus on getting it, if not I forget it for that day. And I’m saving for the minis which cost 75 laurels each.

Maybe it helps that I came to this game having played a lot of GW1 where there were so many different things to do and (largely cosmetic) rewards to get I actually had to write myself a list to keep track of them and I doubt I’ll ever finish it. There are still entire sections of that game I’ve never played, like Heroes Ascent and Alliance Battles. But it never bothered me because I knew I could do it later. If I spent a whole day working on one of the Guardian titles and didn’t make any progress on the EOTN ones it didn’t matter, I could still go and do all the EOTN missions without maxing the titles and I could get the titles along the way.

Ickorus.4518:

Yeah Anet, stop giving us free stuff!

If there was ever a post that encompasses why Arenanet should just totally disregard the forums, it’d be this one.

Free doesn’t make it good. The main point of recent updates has been simple: add grind to a system that didn’t have it. Things like guild missions and additions to the open world are great and improve the game, but grind for the sake of grind does not.

What does Ascended gear add to the game? Does it make the game more fun? No. What is does is artificially slow player progression instead of adding more fun things to do and more optional cosmetic progression (which people are already into and which has been proven to work).

People didn’t buy the game because they want to do dailies and farm FotM. People bought the game because they wanted to have fun and because of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35BPhT-KI1E

“In most games, you go out, and you have really fun tasks, occasionally, that you get to do, and the rest of the game is this boring grind to get to the fun stuff. ‘I swung a sword. I swung a sword again. Hey! I swung it again.’ That’s great. We just don’t want players to grind in Guild Wars 2. No one enjoys that. No one finds it fun.”

Avatar.1923:

its actually the opposite.
screw the hardcore and grind addicts by giving them infinite grind.
while 95% are having fun doing what they feel like.

In my experience, 95% of people are having fun doing something else.

killcannon.2576:

To paraphrase the op: There is too much stuff to do!!! There are too many ways to do it!!! When given a choice, I feel like I need to do everything at once!!!

If you have limited time constraints, is that the games fault? It’s a 60 dollar one time payment for months and months and months of just playing a game. This isn’t work, this isn’t someone holding a gun to your head, it’s a game. If you are feeling like this, you may have some issues that are not game related.

Too much grind to do is not the same as too much content to do. Hundreds of hours to make 1 character build is dull.

That quote kinda makes sense in first topic cause so far I have to agree that anet lies.
Allthough guild missions seem a lot of fun, by now a guild feature of showing how long since last login of members is more usefull so you can kick the GAME QUITTERS from your guild cuz they never log in anymore….

Not joking on the last part either, 200 guild members, roughly estimation of 100 never logging in anymore.

Danikat.8537:

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Here’s the main issue:

Before: Get your exotics via dungeons/WvW/crafting/TP. You can then focus on sPvP/WvW/cosmetic-rewards. This was fine, minus a few problems which need fixing.

Now: Spend ridiculous amounts of time (cumulatively) getting Ascended gear so that you won’t be at a disadvantage in PvE/WvW and so you can participate in harder levels of FotM (basically making you grind so you can participate in the most fun dungeon in the game).

All Ascended gear has done is to add an annoyance to the game which didn’t need to be there. Why does there need to be a new tier? It helps nobody and it negatively affects everyone. It doesn’t add anything, but it adds an additional annoyance.

Because before they added FOTM this forum was full of topics about how this game “needs” a gear treadmill/progression, cannot survive without it and it’s what “all” the “real” players want.

Seriously, you can go back and see the topics for yourself.

Danikat.8537:

Because before they added FOTM this forum was full of topics about how this game “needs” a gear treadmill/progression, cannot survive without it and it’s what “all” the “real” players want.

Seriously, you can go back and see the topics for yourself.

If you’re into PvE dungeon running and you get all the cosmetic items you want from them, then the only things to work for are Legendary weapons and unique Exotic weapons. There’s actually a lot to do there, but there’s still the issue of the old dungeons getting stale.

All they had to do was add FotM with cosmetic gear instead of Ascended. There’s your carrot. The only difference is that it’s cosmetic. Do that, add more PvE content, fix issues with PvP/WvW. IMO that’s all that should have been done instead of adding vertical progression.

I agree. I’m fine with the new content but don’t take away from what everyone enjoys doing.

They took MAW away!!! Maw was the ultimate smokers corner. That’s where I meet all of my GW friends. GW just turned into smoke free New York, NOOOOO!!!!

They took Dragons away!!! One chest for an event that takes 3 hours to spawn doesn’t make sense. What happens when most of the frequent Dragon players already get their chest for the day? They don’t go back, meaning a handful of players are left to kill the dragon.

Small guilds are sent the gallows!!! My PVE guild is small and we worked hard to unlock what we have. Now it’s IMPOSABLE to progress with out opening our doors.

All of this means: My boyfriend and I are taking a break from the game and will come back with a new outlook on the changes. But, if we feel it’s just going to get worse and turn into WoW we will hang up our hats now.

Op, i agree10000000 percent. I had the exact goals you did. Now i a, pulled everywhere…i coldnt have said it better myself. I would have been infracted

killcannon.2576:

My advice is to wait a bit, they should even it out across all play styles eventually. The original post read more like a content overload than a lack of gear opinion.

If you’re a WvW player, you’re used to the word ‘eventually’.

The original post isn’t so much about a content overload, it was worded pretty specifically, we’re being pulled into too many different directions instead of having a lot of different directions we can chose to go. This game will end up being a bunch of mini games with separate populations who will almost never interact and unless you have all day to play, you’re going to be well behind and will most likely miss out on playing with much of your guild unless they buy double the missions and can schedule every members dailies and time in other content very carefully.

I don’t think anyone would be complaining if the new content was fun, and if the reason to run it was primarily for fun. The problem is that Anet’s design philosophy over the last 4 or 5 months is to add an endless series of chores that players feel compelled to complete. And each patch adds more chores. Things that might be fun if you did them when you felt like doing them become drudgery when you feel compelled to do an ever increasing number of them daily.

Now, people always come into these types of threads saying – “Only do what you want to. Nobody is forcing you to do anything.” This, of course, is true. Personally, I hate dungeons, so I hardly ever run them, and I absolutely refuse to run fractals. I know I am handicapping my rate of progression, and it it will take longer to get the gear I want, but it is a decision I am willing to make. It still leaves a very bitter taste in my mouth.

If you care about progressing in the game, and if you have multiple alts (as I do), then number of chores you feel you need to do on a daily basis can become overwhelming. You may refuse to do certain thing (as I do), but that only increases the psychological pressure to do all the other chores whether you feel like doing them or not. In the end, the result is inevitable – you either burn out and quit the game in disgust, or you reduce your expectation about the game to where you no longer take it seriously and don’t put any effort into it at all. You just log in a couple of times a week, do whatever strikes your fancy for a hour or two, and then log out.