Guild Wars 2

Dueling in PvE.

It would be awesome if you could challenge a random person to a duel.

For those scared of being spammed: By default everyone should have “Allow duel invites” on decline. Nothing will change for those that don’t want to duel. Everything will be the same for them.

For those scared of toxic players: There are always toxic players no matter what game content you are playing.

People have been asking for this little system for years.

For those that give the argument of “You got sPVP and WvW for that” – it’s not the same. (https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/38uray/gw2_and_open_world_duels/)

Adding duel to PvE will make the game look and feel more lively outside WvW and sPVP.

Where is it? Why is it still not in game? What is the reason that ArenaNet doesnt add it? Has there been an official reply from ArenaNet regarding this matter?

Gee, it’s been awhile.

No, to Open World PvP for all the reasons stated in the previous threads.

This is EXACTLY what I’ve been waiting from the release of this game.
I mean why is it even not there?

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

Gee, it’s been awhile.

No, to Open World PvP for all the reasons stated in the previous threads.

Please read it good before posting something like “open world pvp”. That refers to a PK-sever, where u are be able to get ganked by other players without accepting an duel request.
Which a dual system is not.

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

Gee, it’s been awhile.

No, to Open World PvP for all the reasons stated in the previous threads.

> Open World PvP

Simple 1 on 1 dueling that’s it.

> for all the reasons stated in the previous threads

I’ve read many threads but I find that none of them can really give a solid argument why there shouldn’t be a dueling system. Care to give me yours?

Ok, no to dueling in Open World for all the reasons posted in previous threads. Though, dueling is a form of PvP, no?

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

Gee, it’s been awhile.

No, to Open World PvP for all the reasons stated in the previous threads.

Yeah, it has. Most nations outlawed open dueling at the end of the 1800’s.

But more to the point of the game, I think I hear far more praise than complaints over the fact that people don’t get harassed for duels every few minutes in GW2. And honestly, I think the lack of easy offhand competition might help engender this game’s overall helpful community. Not everything is focused on “your gear looks trash, 1v1 me noob!” or whatever. Maybe. I could be way off base with that one, but still. I think getting bothered to duel at random or by some aggressive troll will just get on my nerves.

> your gear looks trash. 1v1 me noob
> getting bothered to duel at random or by some aggressive troll will get on your nerves

There will always be toxic people no matter the game type.

Sheltering people as much as possible and putting them in a safe-space bubble isn’t the way to go. It cuts down on the social and interactive aspect of the community.

This safe-space bubble has already been added to WvW, which is bad choice in my eyes but I digress. (Can’t party invite enemy team anymore.)

I always have a good laugh at the excuses people use to say no to this. It’s like what spiders are to arachnophobes. Everyone will exaggerate the oh so dire consequences of dueling! As soon as they log in they will get 100 invitations to duel and be constantly harassed! Lol

U can. In the GH arena.

I need to be in a guild (shocking we are playing guild wars 2) invite the random to the guildhall, enter the arena with him so we can finally duel.

How about I just duel him on spot where I meet him?

What this game lacks is an abundance of kittens. And that’s no coincidence. Game mechanics that foster kitten behavior have been avoided. In any case, people standing around in the open world are not geared or specced for pvp. If you want a fair fight, go do spvp. Dueling in the spvp lobby probably makes sense, but open world, no thanks.

ilQr.1342:

> your gear looks trash. 1v1 me noob
> getting bothered to duel at random or by some aggressive troll will get on your nerves

There will always be toxic people no matter the game type.

Sheltering people as much as possible and putting them in a safe-space bubble isn’t the way to go. It cuts down on the social and interactive aspect of the community.

This safe-space bubble has already been added to WvW, which is bad choice in my eyes but I digress. (Can’t party invite enemy team anymore.)

Safe space bubble. Sheltering. You were so close to using the word “snowflake”. I can feel it! But you’re right that there will always be toxic people. That doesn’t mean we should just hand them more tools to be so. And no one is trying to shelter anyone. Not annoying people isn’t hiding people from the cold harsh truths of the world, or whatever.
It’s just a game. It’s not that serious. It’s not imparting life lessons. It’s just that the people who made the game decided to go a certain direction, it got largely positive feedback, and they stuck with it. People were mostly happy with no open world PvP or dueling, etc. , and likely probably still are.

I think they wanted pvp and pve to be separate, its that simple. They even have different skill mechanics for each, so I doubt veeery much dueling in pve will ever happen.

In turn, Anet should open PvP and WvW up to the PvE players, have it where they can farm and RP and do events/achievements in PvP and WvW maps without having to worry about the PvP/WvW elements.

Also the same should be done for raids, dungeons, and fractals too.

ilQr.1342:

Dueling in PvE.

It would be awesome if you could challenge a random person to a duel.

For those scared of being spammed: By default everyone should have “Allow duel invites” on decline. Nothing will change for those that don’t want to duel. Everything will be the same for them.

For those scared of toxic players: There are always toxic players no matter what game content you are playing.

People have been asking for this little system for years.

For those that give the argument of “You got sPVP and WvW for that” – it’s not the same. (https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/38uray/gw2_and_open_world_duels/)

Adding duel to PvE will make the game look and feel more lively outside WvW and sPVP.

Where is it? Why is it still not in game? What is the reason that ArenaNet doesnt add it? Has there been an official reply from ArenaNet regarding this matter?

Too bad you couldn’t be bothered to use a search engine to look at this topic here instead of creating a redundant thread. It’s been covered quite few times.

Duel would be fun. That and free-for-all open arena are the only type of pvp I find fun.

Open arena are fun to play in or sit and watch people.

We already have duel called costume brawl in the game and no one get harassed by “toxic” people because of it. The same thing with our skills and character model instead of a disguise wouldn’t be different. And would actually be more fun.

ilQr.1342:

Sheltering people as much as possible and putting them in a safe-space bubble isn’t the way to go. It cuts down on the social and interactive aspect of the community.

Sheltering people from being imposed upon is a feature of the game. It’s not “social” if people get bugged with requests, regardless of how fun it is for the person doing the invites.

I do get that lots of people like dueling. I even get that things that I think sound dull or distracting end up being fun for me. (Notably: I didn’t expect to like mounts and it appears that I will.) But other types of things are intrusive to people’s playing experience.

If the game included dueling, I’m sure it would be very restrictive:

• You’d have to toggle that you accept dueling requests.
• It would have to be easy to refuse.
• There would probably need to be “dueling areas” added to existing maps, sort of how it’s walled off in the guild hall.
• It would probably be restricted to people with L80s and/or a minimum amount of achievement points.

I’m sure many pro-duelers could live with those restrictions (although some would complain loudly). I’m also sure that it’s a lot of work for something that won’t appeal to more than a minority of players. That’s sufficient for something like raids or fractals; I doubt that’s enough for something like this.

tl;dr I’m sure that dueling is a fun part of some games; it doesn’t seem that it’s a good fit with this game.

I agree with TheOrlyFactor

Dueling is fine in PvE if in return I’m allowed to turn off PvP in WvW and run around farming and killing the mobs without being killed or attacked.

What’s fair for one is fair for the other.

TheOrlyFactor.8341:

In turn, Anet should open PvP and WvW up to the PvE players, have it where they can farm and RP and do events/achievements in PvP and WvW maps without having to worry about the PvP/WvW elements.

Also the same should be done for raids, dungeons, and fractals too.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

I agree with TheOrlyFactor

Dueling is fine in PvE if in return I’m allowed to turn off PvP in WvW and run around farming and killing the mobs without being killed or attacked.

What’s fair for one is fair for the other.

WvW isn’t duel. It’s open world PvP.
If people were asking for PK then your idea would maybe make sense.

The more competitive a community gets, the less comfortable it gets for people who aren’t competitive. It really is that simple.

Many who are in that competitive mind set, they don’t have the same issues with dealing with that type of competition and often don’t get it.

It was my original argument about having raids in the game. It changes the entire “tone” of the community. More and more of the l2p crowd, instead of the here let me help you crowd.

The less encouragement given to that type of player, the happier I’ll personally be.

Fortunately I have a guild I can surround myself with filled with so-called carebears and I can ignore the community when it gets too combative to deal with.

But dueling only draws more people to the game that have the potential to alter that delicate balance between a really nice community and a more competitive community (who are sure are nice in their own way), who will make the game less enjoyable for those of us who don’t want that.

You can duel in the custom arenas/duelling servers in PvP or in your Guild Hall.

That said, I wouldn’t mind seeing an instanced arena placed in one of the cities for duelling. Like an actual arena where it’s tiered and you can watch, like in the Black Citadel there is the one down the bottom iirc.

Haishao.6851:

Duel would be fun. That and free-for-all open arena are the only type of pvp I find fun.

Open arena are fun to play in or sit and watch people.

We already have duel called costume brawl in the game and no one get harassed by “toxic” people because of it. The same thing with our skills and character model instead of a disguise wouldn’t be different. And would actually be more fun.

Then, those wanting to ‘duel’ already have the tools to do so. Or, maybe the fact that so few people duel with tools that are somewhat balanced shows how unpopular dueling would be. Who knows?

Haishao.6851:

TheOrlyFactor.8341:

In turn, Anet should open PvP and WvW up to the PvE players, have it where they can farm and RP and do events/achievements in PvP and WvW maps without having to worry about the PvP/WvW elements.

Also the same should be done for raids, dungeons, and fractals too.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

I agree with TheOrlyFactor

Dueling is fine in PvE if in return I’m allowed to turn off PvP in WvW and run around farming and killing the mobs without being killed or attacked.

What’s fair for one is fair for the other.

WvW isn’t duel. It’s open world PvP.
If people were asking for PK then your idea would maybe make sense.

Some want dueling, I want the ability to kill vets and stand on monuments for dailies, and harvest nodes, without being killed by a passing WvW player. It can even not show on the total war score, just my UI daily completion.

It’s as fair a swap as this game will allow, so it makes sense.

The argument is that dueling won’t bother non duelers then my killing vets and standing on monuments won’t bother WvW players (and again, don’t have it progress the WvW war score). If dueling is allowed then this should be allowed. Fair is fair.

To duelers who don’t like this idea, I say. The shoe pinches when it’s on the other foot, doesn’t it.

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

That said, I wouldn’t mind seeing an instanced arena placed in one of the cities for duelling. Like an actual arena where it’s tiered and you can watch, like in the Black Citadel there is the one down the bottom iirc.

That’s not a bad idea. That place is actually suited for that kind of thing.

Just play one-two years of EVE-Online.
All your dirty PvP dreams would be fulfilled for the rest of your life.

There is already special zone for players who want to duel It is called PvP. There is also arena in the Guild Hall. What would be the purpose of another new “zone” where players can go and fight each other?

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

Haishao.6851:

Duel would be fun. That and free-for-all open arena are the only type of pvp I find fun.

Open arena are fun to play in or sit and watch people.

We already have duel called costume brawl in the game and no one get harassed by “toxic” people because of it. The same thing with our skills and character model instead of a disguise wouldn’t be different. And would actually be more fun.

Then, those wanting to ‘duel’ already have the tools to do so. Or, maybe the fact that so few people duel with tools that are somewhat balanced shows how unpopular dueling would be. Who knows?

Then you have no reason to be against it. They’re costume brawl but with our skills and normal look.

Costume brawl is definitely unpopular and you cannot pretend you don’t already know why since you’ve read every threads about dueling and it comes up every time.

Mounts are unpopular too :^)

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Some want dueling, I want the ability to kill vets and stand on monuments for dailies, and harvest nodes, without being killed by a passing WvW player. It can even not show on the total war score, just my UI daily completion.

It’s as fair a swap as this game will allow, so it makes sense.

The argument is that dueling won’t bother non duelers then my killing vets and standing on monuments won’t bother WvW players (and again, don’t have it progress the WvW war score). If dueling is allowed then this should be allowed. Fair is fair.

To duelers who don’t like this idea, I say. The shoe pinches when it’s on the other foot, doesn’t it.

The shoe definitely doesn’t pinch since you’re completely off track, comparing orange with apple while going from one extreme to another and making little to no sense, once again.

Yakez.7561:

Just play one-two years of EVE-Online.
All your dirty PvP dreams would be fulfilled for the rest of your life.

This. Haha. I played EVE for a good while. Almost a year before I got tired of paying subscriptions. kitten . Almost everyone I meet is friendly as kitten. It’s like a culture shock. But then again, I do sometimes miss the cruel “kill or be killed” universe of EVE.

ilQr.1342:

Dueling in PvE.

It would be awesome if you could challenge a random person to a duel.

For those scared of being spammed: By default everyone should have “Allow duel invites” on decline. Nothing will change for those that don’t want to duel. Everything will be the same for them.

For those scared of toxic players: There are always toxic players no matter what game content you are playing.

People have been asking for this little system for years.

For those that give the argument of “You got sPVP and WvW for that” – it’s not the same. (https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/38uray/gw2_and_open_world_duels/)

Adding duel to PvE will make the game look and feel more lively outside WvW and sPVP.

Where is it? Why is it still not in game? What is the reason that ArenaNet doesnt add it? Has there been an official reply from ArenaNet regarding this matter?

Gunbul.5172:

This is EXACTLY what I’ve been waiting from the release of this game.
I mean why is it even not there?

ilQr.1342:

> your gear looks trash. 1v1 me noob
> getting bothered to duel at random or by some aggressive troll will get on your nerves

There will always be toxic people no matter the game type.

Sheltering people as much as possible and putting them in a safe-space bubble isn’t the way to go. It cuts down on the social and interactive aspect of the community.

This safe-space bubble has already been added to WvW, which is bad choice in my eyes but I digress. (Can’t party invite enemy team anymore.)

Snowywonders.1378:

I always have a good laugh at the excuses people use to say no to this. It’s like what spiders are to arachnophobes. Everyone will exaggerate the oh so dire consequences of dueling! As soon as they log in they will get 100 invitations to duel and be constantly harassed! Lol

Haishao.6851:

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

Haishao.6851:

Duel would be fun. That and free-for-all open arena are the only type of pvp I find fun.

Open arena are fun to play in or sit and watch people.

We already have duel called costume brawl in the game and no one get harassed by “toxic” people because of it. The same thing with our skills and character model instead of a disguise wouldn’t be different. And would actually be more fun.

Then, those wanting to ‘duel’ already have the tools to do so. Or, maybe the fact that so few people duel with tools that are somewhat balanced shows how unpopular dueling would be. Who knows?

Then you have no reason to be against it. They’re costume brawl but with our skills and normal look.

Costume brawl is definitely unpopular and you cannot pretend you don’t already know why since you’ve read every threads about dueling and it comes up every time.

Mounts are unpopular too :^)

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Some want dueling, I want the ability to kill vets and stand on monuments for dailies, and harvest nodes, without being killed by a passing WvW player. It can even not show on the total war score, just my UI daily completion.

It’s as fair a swap as this game will allow, so it makes sense.

The argument is that dueling won’t bother non duelers then my killing vets and standing on monuments won’t bother WvW players (and again, don’t have it progress the WvW war score). If dueling is allowed then this should be allowed. Fair is fair.

To duelers who don’t like this idea, I say. The shoe pinches when it’s on the other foot, doesn’t it.

The shoe definitely doesn’t pinch since you’re completely off track, comparing orange with apple while going from one extreme to another and making little to no sense, once again.

Asking for PvP in PvE.
Asking for PvE in PvP.

Fair is fair.

Haishao.6851:

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

Haishao.6851:

Duel would be fun. That and free-for-all open arena are the only type of pvp I find fun.

Open arena are fun to play in or sit and watch people.

We already have duel called costume brawl in the game and no one get harassed by “toxic” people because of it. The same thing with our skills and character model instead of a disguise wouldn’t be different. And would actually be more fun.

Then, those wanting to ‘duel’ already have the tools to do so. Or, maybe the fact that so few people duel with tools that are somewhat balanced shows how unpopular dueling would be. Who knows?

Then you have no reason to be against it. They’re costume brawl but with our skills and normal look.

Costume brawl is definitely unpopular and you cannot pretend you don’t already know why since you’ve read every threads about dueling and it comes up every time.

Mounts are unpopular too :^)

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Some want dueling, I want the ability to kill vets and stand on monuments for dailies, and harvest nodes, without being killed by a passing WvW player. It can even not show on the total war score, just my UI daily completion.

It’s as fair a swap as this game will allow, so it makes sense.

The argument is that dueling won’t bother non duelers then my killing vets and standing on monuments won’t bother WvW players (and again, don’t have it progress the WvW war score). If dueling is allowed then this should be allowed. Fair is fair.

To duelers who don’t like this idea, I say. The shoe pinches when it’s on the other foot, doesn’t it.

The shoe definitely doesn’t pinch since you’re completely off track, comparing orange with apple while going from one extreme to another and making little to no sense, once again.

Then, no need to ask for Open World dueling because you know the reasons why it isn’t popular. /shrug

I wrote a detailed answer, but it got deleted because I had to log in although I was logged in already (even posted elsewhere before). This is the worst forums software I have ever dealt with since 2005. Maybe I should just do what a majority does, use reddit.

Short version: I like open PvP if you can block specific spammers from sending you challenges. Main problem I see is the lack of build templates because I don’t use gear, skills and traits that are suited for PvP when playing open world. If you get challenged, the other guy is already set up for it, while you have to switch gear, skills and traits before you accept. That’s just not feasible and I would never use a duelling system under these circumstances. I would use it if you could change to a WvW build template by clicking a button.

Im gonna have to say no to this, again, for all the reasons i have done for the last 5 years. Go to WVW, or the guild hall(WHICH IS WHY IT WAS ADDED THERE) or PVP if you want that.

ilQr.1342:

Dueling in PvE.

It would be awesome if you could challenge a random person to a duel.

For those scared of being spammed: By default everyone should have “Allow duel invites” on decline. Nothing will change for those that don’t want to duel. Everything will be the same for them.

For those scared of toxic players: There are always toxic players no matter what game content you are playing.

People have been asking for this little system for years.

For those that give the argument of “You got sPVP and WvW for that” – it’s not the same. (https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/38uray/gw2_and_open_world_duels/)

Adding duel to PvE will make the game look and feel more lively outside WvW and sPVP.

Where is it? Why is it still not in game? What is the reason that ArenaNet doesnt add it? Has there been an official reply from ArenaNet regarding this matter?

It won’t be ever implemented for 2 reasons:

A lot of people play this game because they are incapable of facing challenges in any form. They literally want to sort of go brain-dead for an hour or so and watch lights flash on the screen and this game caters to that. The removal of DPS meters etc.. point to this.

BUT more importantly:
1v1 duels would open up actual class balance issues between classes. “I can’t win duels against necro as gaurdian” etc. Arena net does NOT want to open up that can of worms because their class design is evidently severely lacking.

Yes, veterans must be entitled to slaughter any newbie.

It’s for the immersion, you know.

Cloesd.3025:

It won’t be ever implemented for 2 reasons:

A lot of people play this game because they are incapable of facing challenges in any form. They literally want to sort of go brain-dead for an hour or so and watch lights flash on the screen and this game caters to that. The removal of DPS meters etc.. point to this.

BUT more importantly:
1v1 duels would open up actual class balance issues between classes. “I can’t win duels against necro as gaurdian” etc. Arena net does NOT want to open up that can of worms because their class design is evidently severely lacking.

To 1.: so why is there Raids and Fractals? According to your argument, these should have failed, but they are popular areas of the game.

To 2.: The issues are already obvious in WvW, nothing new. Somehow people still play WvW though. Maybe if more people played a form of PvP, it would lead to better balancing.

Duelling should be nowhere near pve. There has never been one convincing argument why it should be added to pve.

However, I can see no reason why duelling couldn’t be added to the pvp areas, either via the lobby or a separate space like we have with the Guild Halls. It makes sense and belongs there, whilst it is utterly out of place in pve.

Randulf.7614:

Duelling should be nowhere near pve. There has never been one convincing argument why it should be added to pve.

However, I can see no reason why duelling couldn’t be added to the pvp areas, either via the lobby or a separate space like we have with the Guild Halls. It makes sense and belongs there, whilst it is utterly out of place in pve.

Because just like in real life it’s human nature to want to work hard to get stuff and use advantages accrued in the past to secure an advantage in combat. (Or persevere in the face of odds, ie; I’ll duel you naked and still win).

ilQr.1342:

> your gear looks trash. 1v1 me noob
> getting bothered to duel at random or by some aggressive troll will get on your nerves

There will always be toxic people no matter the game type.

Sheltering people as much as possible and putting them in a safe-space bubble isn’t the way to go. It cuts down on the social and interactive aspect of the community.

This safe-space bubble has already been added to WvW, which is bad choice in my eyes but I digress. (Can’t party invite enemy team anymore.)

Just /block the troll or abuser, no more problems with it.

Cloesd.3025:

Randulf.7614:

Duelling should be nowhere near pve. There has never been one convincing argument why it should be added to pve.

However, I can see no reason why duelling couldn’t be added to the pvp areas, either via the lobby or a separate space like we have with the Guild Halls. It makes sense and belongs there, whilst it is utterly out of place in pve.

Because just like in real life it’s human nature to want to work hard to get stuff and use advantages accrued in the past to secure an advantage in combat. (Or persevere in the face of odds, ie; I’ll duel you naked and still win).

I’m afraid I have no idea what you are trying to say in relation to my comment about duelling not fitting in pve but agreeing it fits in pvp, sorry!

Randulf.7614:

Cloesd.3025:

Randulf.7614:

Duelling should be nowhere near pve. There has never been one convincing argument why it should be added to pve.

However, I can see no reason why duelling couldn’t be added to the pvp areas, either via the lobby or a separate space like we have with the Guild Halls. It makes sense and belongs there, whilst it is utterly out of place in pve.

Because just like in real life it’s human nature to want to work hard to get stuff and use advantages accrued in the past to secure an advantage in combat. (Or persevere in the face of odds, ie; I’ll duel you naked and still win).

I’m afraid I have no idea what you are trying to say in relation to my comment about duelling not fitting in pve but agreeing it fits in pvp, sorry!

I mean the difference between PVE and PVP in this game is that in PVP generally your gear is ‘maxed’ and your level is maxed. (sPVP atleast). Nothing you do in-PVE really effects your player vs player abilities.

This I think is an artifact of 2012 when GW2 was released, Everyone wanted to be “Muh Esports”, (a fad that has thankfully mostly died outside of Mobas).

Being able to fight other players with your character, your gear setup and your skill choices at any level would probably improve the game because it does appeal to that part of humans that wants to develop ‘themselves’ and then use that development against others. It’s a huge part of competition.

Cloesd.3025:

Randulf.7614:

Cloesd.3025:

Randulf.7614:

Duelling should be nowhere near pve. There has never been one convincing argument why it should be added to pve.

However, I can see no reason why duelling couldn’t be added to the pvp areas, either via the lobby or a separate space like we have with the Guild Halls. It makes sense and belongs there, whilst it is utterly out of place in pve.

Because just like in real life it’s human nature to want to work hard to get stuff and use advantages accrued in the past to secure an advantage in combat. (Or persevere in the face of odds, ie; I’ll duel you naked and still win).

I’m afraid I have no idea what you are trying to say in relation to my comment about duelling not fitting in pve but agreeing it fits in pvp, sorry!

I mean the difference between PVE and PVP in this game is that in PVP generally your gear is ‘maxed’ and your level is maxed. (sPVP atleast). Nothing you do in-PVE really effects your player vs player abilities.

This I think is an artifact of 2012 when GW2 was released, Everyone wanted to be “Muh Esports”, (a fad that has thankfully mostly died outside of Mobas).

Being able to fight other players with your character, your gear setup and your skill choices at any level would probably improve the game because it does appeal to that part of humans that wants to develop ‘themselves’ and then use that development against others. It’s a huge part of competition.

PvE isn’t competitive though. It’s specifically set up to be cooperative and attracts players due to its cooperative nature. It’s what in part put GW2 on the map in the first place. That would eliminate any need and a great deal of desire to have duelling brought over into it where it doesn’t belong.

There is little to no use for people trying to convince one another. Different people have different tastes (fortunately).

As long as there is a way to turn stuff like that on and off so no one can aggrivate another player (be it on purpose or accidental)…. who cares?

Hyrai.8720:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Hyrai.8720:

i feel like noones getting the idea behind “open world pvp” in gw2.

i mean… i understand that a majority of PvE players doesn’t want to get bothered by PvP going on around them, but what if we get:

1. an “auto decline” function -> you don’t get bothered by PvP-invites if you don’t want to
2. no-pvp-zones – just like there are no-gliding-zones etc.
so people cannot disturb other players during important events by dueling each other

i really don’t see why PvE-players would be bothered by open-world-pvp under those circumstances.

btw:
the argument “implement PvP in PvE -> also implement PvE in PvP” is absolutely invalid.
1. only jealous children would argue like that
2. there’s already PvE in WvW
the thing is: you’ll get bothered by people playing the intended mode just like Open-PvP-Players would get bothered by people playing PvE around them

1. only jealous children would argue like that
I’m arguing for parity not out of jealously but to show how PvE (real PvE where PvEers can’t be attacked) in PvP and would be harmful to that gameplay. Just like dueling, which is PvP, is unwanted in PvE and would bring unwanted elements to PvE.
(Nice hominem attack by the way)

2. there’s already PvE in WvW
If I can get attacked and killed by other players it’s not PvE. Its PvP.

PvP players already have WvW. They already have sPvP. They already have guild hall arenas. They don’t need PvE too. That’s our area. (And if they do get PvP in PvE then for fairness sake ANet should give PvEers the ability to go to WvW to farm nodes and kill mobs with complete immunity from PvP).

so after reading several of your posts, your core argument seems to be “fairness” for PvErs ind PvP and PvPers in PvE.
so..
why do PvPers(WvWers) have to deal with “harmful PvE” on their “territory”, while real PvE is completely seperated from any kind of PvP? Thats not fair at all

PS:
please be so kind and don’t cut off the essential parts of my quotes

Nope. I see my argument went [swoosh]. So I’ll restate it.

The core of my argument is that just as pure PvE added to WvW would be unwanted and harmful to that gameplay, adding PvP to PvE is unwanted by PvEers and is harmful to PvE. The two don’t mix. One is competitive and the other is cooperative. By “asking” for PvE in WvW as a rhetorical device to get a negative response I was showing how the flip side of asking for PvP in PvE is also an unreasonable request

The reason, I think, that you can’t see that adding PvP to PvE is unreasonable is because you’re a PvP person, so you don’t see that mixing the two is harmful to PvE (even though I bet you can see that adding pure PvE to WvW would be harmful to that gameplay).

I’m a big fan of duels as an idea, less so doing it myself.

Duel means no teammates that blame you (or you them) for everything. No one will hate on you for a loss because only you lost, and if you win, you know it was 100% you.
That’s what i love about duels.

That being said GW2 doesn’t fit too well for them. We have 1v1 monsters (good thieves, druids, eles) along classes that are terrible at it (necro). We’d be seeing only fraction of professions in such game mode as those weaker make up for their weakness with team utility which means nothing in a duel.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

The core of my argument is that just as pure PvE added to WvW would be unwanted and harmful to that gameplay, adding PvP to PvE is unwanted by PvEers and is harmful to PvE. The two don’t mix. One is competitive and the other is cooperative. By “asking” for PvE in WvW as a rhetorical device to get a negative response I was showing how the flip side of asking for PvP in PvE is also an unreasonable request

The reason, I think, that you can’t see that adding PvP to PvE is unreasonable is because you’re a PvP person, so you don’t see that mixing the two is harmful to PvE (even though I bet you can see that adding pure PvE to WvW would be harmful to that gameplay).

Nope, I’m not a PvP person at all.
My WvW-lvl is something around 25, and I played maybe 5 rounds of sPvP.

The thing is:
I don’t see how a few “duel areas” (or large “no-pvp-areas” around important parts) on each PvE map would be harmful to anyones PvE experience, and you’re yet to deliver a concrete argument against such areas.

Meanwhile “PvP-Persons” wouldn’t have to port between several maps just for a little random duel + they could kill some time waiting for an event-timer to finish or something similar.

Also, what you seem to not understand:
You can’t just say “PvE doesn’t fit into PvP(WvW), so the flipside – PvP in PvE – doesn’t fit either.”
(Why?
Because WvW is highly competetive, and people running around doing PvE are taking spots for real WvWers who would earn points for their server. So PvE does harm WvW indeed. On the other hand, as stated above, I don’t see how a duel would harm PvE in any way.)
If you do, you’re back to “Fairness” and “If they get this I want that (childish)”

That said I’m gonna stop arguing here, since you have ANet behind your back anyways, so arguing doesn’t make sense overall :P

I wholehearthedly agree with you OP! Its the sugar ontop, the cream, this game needs. Then it is complete. Long have many of us asked for this, and the usurpers talking against it are forever biased asnew they too ask for shinies!

It will only richen the game and spark interest for good old dueling, being the doorway to pvp when first met with the open world.

Vayne.8563:

The more competitive a community gets, the less comfortable it gets for people who aren’t competitive. It really is that simple.

Many who are in that competitive mind set, they don’t have the same issues with dealing with that type of competition and often don’t get it.

It was my original argument about having raids in the game. It changes the entire “tone” of the community. More and more of the l2p crowd, instead of the here let me help you crowd.

The less encouragement given to that type of player, the happier I’ll personally be.

Fortunately I have a guild I can surround myself with filled with so-called carebears and I can ignore the community when it gets too combative to deal with.

But dueling only draws more people to the game that have the potential to alter that delicate balance between a really nice community and a more competitive community (who are sure are nice in their own way), who will make the game less enjoyable for those of us who don’t want that.

But you dont know that. Same way the friendly community still is here even after raid implementation, which requires much more from a player than a duel. We all want different things and should be open minded and not exclude ideas just cuz it may not be in your interest, just like we are getting mounts now.

Id also like to add to OP that there should be an icon with text next to player hp bar indicating if said player want to duel or not, lowering the chances for people even asking, and in the process respecting that.