Guild Wars 2

I intensely dislike how the forums are being micromanaged and no matter what direction you take ideas… events… or anything really if “they” dislike you or anything you say you will soak up infractions no matter how politely or intellectually you put things.

No – don’t cop out and say that this is discussing forum moderation. I’m not talking about a single item… I am intentionally being vague because this thread is an open ended discussion about no singular moderated topic or item.

You know what? Fine. You are going to flag and ban me for saying it here on the forums. Knock yourself out.

But do you know what kind of impression that leaves people with? That you aren’t open to feedback – either positive, negative, or even topics offering solutions… or suggestions.

By systematically shutting everyone up, you aren’t leaving a positive environment. It’s the opposite. It’s too easy to pick a vague ruleset and just pick apart your clients… shutting them up… and eventually shutting them up permanently. It’s so much harder to actually sit and listen to the feedback… address the feedback… acknowledge that you are in fact listening and not just locking, infraction, then banning your clients down.

Could you imagine? Seriously imagine someone calling in to a company: “Excuse me, I noticed that I have some billing iss….” “I’mma stop you right there. You have incurred an infraction and I am hanging up this call. <click>”

Like how do you think this makes people feel? Be honest. How would you feel if you weren’t in the drivers seat and were the one taking this abuse from a company? You would hate it if you had a sliver of dignity and honesty.

So go ahead and permaban me. Don’t worry: you will get yours back 10 fold because this game is still young and people are still on the fence with buying or not. You can shut me up and lock me out but it will for sure cost your bottom numbers. Just remember “To every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction.”

So by all means continue to infraction everyone and then ban them. Just realize what precedent you are setting here and that it absolutely will impact you.

Go ahead and ban and lock now.

Still not sure why this topic was locked or why I was infracted for it:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Forum-mods-vs-Game-GMs/first#post307547

Well through a quick look of your post history I can’t at all understand how arenanet would look at your liberal use of caps lock, the phrase ‘this is bullkitten’ and calling them liars is viewed as anything but constructive.

They definitely have some explaining to do.

Lance Coolee.9480:

Still not sure why this topic was locked or why I was infracted for it:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Forum-mods-vs-Game-GMs/first#post307547

Because you started yet another random botting thread when they have an announcement stickied at the top of the forum?

/facepalm

Swagman.9013:

Well through a quick look of your post history I can’t at all understand how arenanet would look at your liberal use of caps lock, the phrase ‘this is bullkitten’ and calling them liars is viewed as anything but constructive.

They definitely have some explaining to do.

I absolutely admit that I had a spazz session for sure.

However since then I have been calm, polite, and maturely laid out thoughts… and those threads were not only removed, but infractioned as well. I cannot post a thing that doesn’t get an infraction or deleted.

Literally. This thread aside as being an obvious scapegoat. Just leaves the obvious “you gonna ban me anyways so I may as well earn it” mentality. How is that a positive environment to have and foster?

Except it wasn’t a “bot thread”; It was a request to produce in-game GMs that can do anything, ranging from combatting bots, policing game chat, and fixing bugged DEs / SPs.

It wasn’t like they didn’t invest the money and resources for forum mods, why not do the same in-game?

This thread is new and exciting,

Let’s see if all the major points are covered!

1: Accusations! Check.

2: A senseless comparison! Check!

3: Thinly veiled threat! Check!

4: Childish attitude! Check!

I’m sorry, but I completely disagree with this nonsense. Do you... even read the forums?

99% of the threads are locked due to:

A: Repeat Posts. Instead of having one single discussion, people posts the same kitten thing over and over.

B: Posting in the wrong areas. This may be general discussion, but forming posts with ideas in mind belongs in the suggestions forum.

C: Non-Constructive Criticism. It’s few and far between you actually see an intelligent discussion around here. Most complaints I see are doomsday prophecies, threats, or ignorant rants. Even with an intelligent discussion, it eventually leads to-

D: Flame Wars. Someone has a constructive idea, someone else disagrees. Someone next comes in screaming fanboy or white knight. Then someone else comes in and the situation cascades into a useless pile of drivel. I’ve been infracted a couple times, and it was rightly deserved because of this.

E: Spam.

I could go on and on.

This is one of the better moderated forums I’ve been apart of. At least the mods here will actually deal with trolling or idiots flaming one another. At least they deal with all of the ignorant and useless threads that add nothing but spam or dissent. Only one forum I knew of in the past did this, and they had an amazing community over time.

Then i move to another game like WoW... and could not stand most people posting. I doubt you’ll get infracted, but I dare say that this post will probably end up being locked because it’s basically spam.

@Lance Coolee How do you not understand why actions were taken for that post?... lol

Lance Coolee.9480:

I paid for the game, not the forum; why can’t we shift some of the forum moderators to in game GMs to police the botting issue??

Nope. You specifically complained about botting. Again.

@Sin, Bluebird, et al.

I dunno, it seemed like a reasonable request. We have a well policed forum, but I didn’t buy the game for the forums. Why am I not allowed to ask for a well policed game?

Lance Coolee.9480:

@Sin, Bluebird, et al.

I dunno, it seemed like a reasonable request. We have a well policed forum, but I didn’t buy the game for the forums. Why am I not allowed to ask for a well policed game?

Do it in a polite way, in the proper forum, then.

It doesn’t belong in general, because it’s a request for something to be added- mechanical or not. Flesh out a good post with points to back up why you made the request. Add pros and cons. Anything that would be helpful, nice to read, and doesn’t insult the people you’re making the request to.

’I paid for the game and not the forum’, was definitely the wrong way to go about it. :P

Sin.8174:

This thread is new and exciting,

Let’s see if all the major points are covered!

1: Accusations! Check.

2: A senseless comparison! Check!

3: Thinly veiled threat! Check!

4: Childish attitude! Check!

I’m sorry, but I completely disagree with this nonsense. Do you… even read the forums?

99% of the threads are locked due to:

A: Repeat Posts. Instead of having one single discussion, people posts the same kitten thing over and over.

B: Posting in the wrong areas. This may be general discussion, but forming posts with ideas in mind belongs in the suggestions forum.

C: Non-Constructive Criticism. It’s few and far between you actually see an intelligent discussion around here. Most complaints I see are doomsday prophecies, threats, or ignorant rants. Even with an intelligent discussion, it eventually leads to-

D: Flame Wars. Someone has a constructive idea, someone else disagrees. Someone next comes in screaming fanboy or white knight. Then someone else comes in and the situation cascades into a useless pile of drivel. I’ve been infracted a couple times, and it was rightly deserved because of this.

E: Spam.

I could go on and on.

This is one of the better moderated forums I’ve been apart of. At least the mods here will actually deal with trolling or idiots flaming one another. At least they deal with all of the ignorant and useless threads that add nothing but spam or dissent. Only one forum I knew of in the past did this, and they had an amazing community over time.

Then i move to another game like WoW… and could not stand most people posting. I doubt you’ll get infracted, but I dare say that this post will probably end up being locked because it’s basically spam.

@Lance Coolee How do you not understand why actions were taken for that post?… lol

I was shocked when I logged back in to see not only was a thread I made deleted but also soaking an infraction… I was not spamming, being mean, being negative… I actually had offered positive enlightening insight. I wasn’t speaking about a topic that had been broached before (to my knowledge) either.

Once shock wore off… then anger began and continues to set in. How dare I not get a voice. How dare they “hang up” on me for zero justifiable reasons. I wasn’t rude. I didn’t call anyone down. I didn’t swear or misbehave.

Which leads me to this topic which soon will be locked and my being banned. But I stand by what I say. This is no way to treat anyone. I wouldn’t even treat someone I hated this way to be honest. I would let them at least finish their sentences.

Here’s the problem with why you might be getting locked posts. Most “so mad” posts work like this, point out problem in title, explain personal experience with problem in post, say game is doomed and/or express disappointment. Ask community their thoughts.

How about we do the same post in a more constructive way.
Let’s make the post title a thought out solution to a viewed problem. Instead of “Bugged events everywhere!” how about “nightly server maintenance?”

Then in the body of your post why don’t you explain your perceived problem followed up with how your posting title solution may fix said problem. Then ask for any input from other on different ways to fix said problem.

No the op is right 100%. I was on the forums discussing a topic and got ( to use anet terms ) attacked by 2 others for having a difference of opinion as far as I can tell. I responded in kind after reporting both of them which may have been my mistake, but I got banned from the forums for 2 weeks and they we still posting away trolling, insulting and attacking anyone who didn’t agree with them or seemed to be singing anet’s praises.

This forum is for Guild Wars 2 discussion, not for discussing the forums or moderation of the forums.

As an aside, the moderation team is not in the habit of infracting people for dissenting opinions. Infractions are handed out for a variety of violations of the forum code of conduct. Please review the code of conduct for a better understanding of the moderator decisions. If you believe a moderator action has been committed in error, please email forums@arena.net for an administrative review.

Also, please help keep these forums clean by staying on topic. Thanks.