Guild Wars 2

hear hear. and please check patches before they are released. jump bug is by far the most hilarious problem since launch.

Speak for yourself, I’d like new content, I want bug fixes too, but its not mutally exclusive. New content is how things like the off hand sword I wish for thieves will happen.

I’m pretty sure they have different teams working on the bug fixes and new content. Just because they’re working on new content doesn’t mean they’re not working on bug fixes.

Hows about “I want new content AND a fix for the broken content we already have”?

Why can’t we get both? We are the customers, right?

Ursan.7846:

I’m pretty sure they have different teams working on the bug fixes and new content. Just because they’re working on new content doesn’t mean they’re not working on bug fixes.

Actually, that’s a good point. If this is the case then therein lies a serious problem. If one team works on something that adds to the stuff into the game, and the bug fix team aren’t working with them in unison, these abundant bug problems are bound to happen because the two teams are so out of touch with each other.

Your title says “I” then your whole post you try to speak for all of us. No thank you I say. I want tons of new content.

We do get both, and I like how the title is now edited to reflect a personal viewpoint. That I have no qualms with.

Reaver.9256:

Your title says “I” then your whole post you try to speak for all of us. No thank you I say. I want tons of new content.

The original title said “We DO NOT want new content”

Love when people try to speak for the rest of us

kKagari.6804:

Ursan.7846:

I’m pretty sure they have different teams working on the bug fixes and new content. Just because they’re working on new content doesn’t mean they’re not working on bug fixes.

Actually, that’s a good point. If this is the case then therein lies a serious problem. If one team works on something that adds to the stuff into the game, and the bug fix team aren’t working with them in unison, these abundant bug problems are bound to happen because the two teams are so out of touch with each other.

Lets not make any assumptions about the company structure here. My guess (again, this is only a guess…) on how the process works is this…

Developers come up with ideas for content. A team of programmers create new content. When content is finished, a few programmers remain “behind” to work on bugs, while the others are reintegrated into another team to make brand new content.

Again, this is all complete speculation, and only based on my personal experiences as a programmer. Regardless, my point was that I highly doubt they have programmers who are unfamiliar with the code to fix its bugs. That’s just inefficient.

His personal opinion is a bunch of people’s personal opinions. How about simple text bugs? You know, bugs that can be fixed in a day?, like the SE dungeon armor vendor charging the wrong prices for light gear. Or the CM vendor not offering major runes, or the guardian virtues not reflecting the correct cooldown time, or guardian signet of mercy not displaying the correct passive heal? Text bugs. You can’t even fix text bugs? Its been 3 months.

If i sound upset, it’s because I just played a broken cliffside and a broken asura fractal.

Ursan.7846:

Lets not make any assumptions about the company structure here. My guess (again, this is only a guess…) on how the process works is this…

You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means.

Ursan.7846:

kKagari.6804:

Ursan.7846:

I’m pretty sure they have different teams working on the bug fixes and new content. Just because they’re working on new content doesn’t mean they’re not working on bug fixes.

Actually, that’s a good point. If this is the case then therein lies a serious problem. If one team works on something that adds to the stuff into the game, and the bug fix team aren’t working with them in unison, these abundant bug problems are bound to happen because the two teams are so out of touch with each other.

Lets not make any assumptions about the company structure here. My guess (again, this is only a guess…) on how the process works is this…

Developers come up with ideas for content. A team of programmers create new content. When content is finished, a few programmers remain “behind” to work on bugs, while the others are reintegrated into another team to make brand new content.

Again, this is all complete speculation, and only based on my personal experiences as a programmer. Regardless, my point was that I highly doubt they have programmers who are unfamiliar with the code to fix its bugs. That’s just inefficient.

Tbh, I have never played a game with as much of a concurrent introduction of bugs and content as this one. Either this game is oh-so-complex to program or really there’s only another reason that I will not speak of.

boroguy.5690:

Ursan.7846:

Lets not make any assumptions about the company structure here. My guess (again, this is only a guess…) on how the process works is this…

You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means.

That is inconceivable. I am making assumptions. But I will freely admit to making them. I never try to state my assumptions like I am stating a fact.

Martin Kerstein.3071:

I changed the title to reflect that it is a personal opinion.

Maybe its me, but this comes of as quite snide. I assure you the OP is not alone in his thinking. Lets not forget the amount of one-time content that is released into the game in a non working state. Phase 1 lost shores anyone?

noother.2190:

Reaver.9256:

Your title says “I” then your whole post you try to speak for all of us. No thank you I say. I want tons of new content.

The original title said “We DO NOT want new content”

Love when people try to speak for the rest of us

Well I support the OP. I made this exact thread about two months ago. I’m sick of the old bugged content we have, it was making me angry when we got new stuff (which was unbelievably broken – Karka event) while the old content has so many issues. Something as simple as the party invite/join system doesn’t work the way it’s supposed to.

ArenaNet has resources. Some of them are fixing bugs and improving old content. Some of them are working on monthly content updates. I would far rather the base quality of the game become the number one priority and have the resources of the new content teams combined with the bug fixing, content polishing team so that the stuff I already have works and is as enjoyable to play as it should be.

Arah is still bugging out on several servers. People are still unable to complete the basic story of the game, never mind participate in arguably the toughest dungeon in the game. The resources put into FotM could have been put into polishing, expanding and fine tuning the existing dungeons. Look at today’s patch, significant bugs are still being fixed in them, and that’s not even touching on fine tuning the encounters to be more enjoyable.

The team is working hard and bugs are being fixed, but many of us are unhappy with the basic experience we have been given from a “completed” product we were sold. We expected better quality and less bugs, we didn’t get that. We are waiting for over three months for some big parts of the game to continue to work and while we wait we see new stuff making old content redundant before the old stuff was ever fixed.

New content means more resources that could potentially be going into fixing the already existing stuff. To many of us, that should be a much higher priority than it has been so far, especially given the poor implementation and reception of recent content updates.

kKagari.6804:

Martin Kerstein.3071:

I changed the title to reflect that it is a personal opinion.

Maybe its me, but this comes of as quite snide. I assure you the OP is not alone in his thinking. Lets not forget the amount of one-time content that is released into the game in a non working state. Phase 1 lost shores anyone?

The amount of one time content isn’t as great as the amount of permanent content. And how is it snide if its true? All it takes to disprove the original title is for one person to disagree. I disagreed and I’m not alone either. The OP is not alone no, but it is still a personal opinion and not a blanket fact.

kKagari.6804:

Martin Kerstein.3071:

I changed the title to reflect that it is a personal opinion.

Maybe its me, but this comes of as quite snide. I assure you the OP is not alone in his thinking. Lets not forget the amount of one-time content that is released into the game in a non working state. Phase 1 lost shores anyone?

The thread’s title DID come off as him talking like everybody shared his opinion. But then again, titles can be deceiving.

kKagari.6804:

Martin Kerstein.3071:

I changed the title to reflect that it is a personal opinion.

Maybe its me, but this comes of as quite snide. I assure you the OP is not alone in his thinking. Lets not forget the amount of one-time content that is released into the game in a non working state. Phase 1 lost shores anyone?

And if I share OP’s opinion, I am able to express it myself. I don’t remember anyone voting OP to be our GW2 Discussions Thread Ambassador.
I don’t disagree with the fact that many more people than just the thread author hold this view, but they have expressed it themselves many times, and do not need him to do so for them.

kKagari.6804:

Ursan.7846:

I’m pretty sure they have different teams working on the bug fixes and new content. Just because they’re working on new content doesn’t mean they’re not working on bug fixes.

Actually, that’s a good point. If this is the case then therein lies a serious problem. If one team works on something that adds to the stuff into the game, and the bug fix team aren’t working with them in unison, these abundant bug problems are bound to happen because the two teams are so out of touch with each other.

No; it is the case, and is pretty much standard practice. The content team would have been working on producing new content for post launch releases before the game was launched.

For example, to release a patch like the November one with large content updates and a large amount of bug fixes and class balancing isn’t just the work of a single team. It’s the work of a whole cohesive unit, made up of lots of smaller teams. (Dungeon team, the entire new zone team, the script team, the QA team, the class balance team, the bug fixing team and so on and so forth).

All new content and bug fixes will have been put through QA, thus tested several times before release.

What you cannot account for is the sheer volume of different circumstances that can arrive and not be tested for. Players and indeed software customers will always do something totally unexpected. You can only test for so many different eventualities, in the end it becomes a balancing act of risk vs. reward.

You can run a dungeon (for example) ten times, start to finish and not encounter a single bug. Given a dungeon takes 45mins-1h + thats 10 hours to test it (per person). That is almost 2 ‘working days’ your QA team has lost testing a very small part of the content.

In the live patch however a player could run around jumping at walls for as many days as (s)he likes until he finds a spot he can fit through to trivialise an entire encounter. Multiply that player by a few thousand and bugs and exploits start to arise.

On top of that, an MMO is a constantly changing beast, that requires constant work, and more importantly; updates. Whilst some players would happily wait for content updates at the expense of more man hours working on fixing and testing, the reality is, people will leave once they feel they have “completed” a game.

An MMO that must survive from box sales and consistent cash shop purchases in the long run, must continually offer the player things to do and spend money on, hence; updates.

Ravrohan.8231:

kKagari.6804:

Martin Kerstein.3071:

I changed the title to reflect that it is a personal opinion.

Maybe its me, but this comes of as quite snide. I assure you the OP is not alone in his thinking. Lets not forget the amount of one-time content that is released into the game in a non working state. Phase 1 lost shores anyone?

The amount of one time content isn’t as great as the amount of permanent content. And how is it snide if its true? All it takes to disprove the original title is for one person to disagree. I disagreed and I’m not alone either. The OP is not alone no, but it is still a personal opinion and not a blanket fact.

It belittle’s the OP’s intention by avoiding the facts completely. It’d be foolish to think only the OP is asserting the points laid out in his topic. While I agree that his ideas may not encompass everyone’s thoughts this is hardly the time to argue over semantics.

DungeonDaughter.7391:

His personal opinion is a bunch of people’s personal opinions. How about simple text bugs? You know, bugs that can be fixed in a day?, like the SE dungeon armor vendor charging the wrong prices for light gear. Or the CM vendor not offering major runes, or the guardian virtues not reflecting the correct cooldown time, or guardian signet of mercy not displaying the correct passive heal? Text bugs. You can’t even fix text bugs? Its been 3 months.

If i sound upset, it’s because I just played a broken cliffside and a broken asura fractal.

It is the majority of people‘s opinion but not everyones opinion. That’s actual correct piecing of the text; it is neither just his opinion nor everyones.

The moderator should have just left out personal… and gone with “I do not want new content”.

FluffyDoe.7539:

DungeonDaughter.7391:

His personal opinion is a bunch of people’s personal opinions. How about simple text bugs? You know, bugs that can be fixed in a day?, like the SE dungeon armor vendor charging the wrong prices for light gear. Or the CM vendor not offering major runes, or the guardian virtues not reflecting the correct cooldown time, or guardian signet of mercy not displaying the correct passive heal? Text bugs. You can’t even fix text bugs? Its been 3 months.

If i sound upset, it’s because I just played a broken cliffside and a broken asura fractal.

It is the majority of people‘s opinion but not everyones opinion. That’s actual correct piecing of the text; it is neither just his opinion nor everyones.

The moderator should have just left out personal… and gone with “I do not want new content”.

Its ironic because if Arenanet is so caught up over semantics perhaps they should fix the text errors in the game too.

kKagari.6804:

FluffyDoe.7539:

DungeonDaughter.7391:

His personal opinion is a bunch of people’s personal opinions. How about simple text bugs? You know, bugs that can be fixed in a day?, like the SE dungeon armor vendor charging the wrong prices for light gear. Or the CM vendor not offering major runes, or the guardian virtues not reflecting the correct cooldown time, or guardian signet of mercy not displaying the correct passive heal? Text bugs. You can’t even fix text bugs? Its been 3 months.

If i sound upset, it’s because I just played a broken cliffside and a broken asura fractal.

It is the majority of people‘s opinion but not everyones opinion. That’s actual correct piecing of the text; it is neither just his opinion nor everyones.

The moderator should have just left out personal… and gone with “I do not want new content”.

Its ironic, because if Arenanet is so caught up over semantics perhaps they should fix the text errors in the game too.

The community support and moderation of the forums has very little if anything at all to do with the development of the game.

Also, why make a comment like this if it’s full of text errors as well?

“It’s ironic because if Arenanet are so caught up over semantics, perhaps they should fix the text errors in the game too.”

Edit: If I made any more text errors please feel free to correct me.

Generally “programmers” do not make content. They make and maintain systems that allow for content.

Artists and story writers make content.

Pants.8315:

kKagari.6804:

FluffyDoe.7539:

DungeonDaughter.7391:

His personal opinion is a bunch of people’s personal opinions. How about simple text bugs? You know, bugs that can be fixed in a day?, like the SE dungeon armor vendor charging the wrong prices for light gear. Or the CM vendor not offering major runes, or the guardian virtues not reflecting the correct cooldown time, or guardian signet of mercy not displaying the correct passive heal? Text bugs. You can’t even fix text bugs? Its been 3 months.

If i sound upset, it’s because I just played a broken cliffside and a broken asura fractal.

It is the majority of people‘s opinion but not everyones opinion. That’s actual correct piecing of the text; it is neither just his opinion nor everyones.

The moderator should have just left out personal… and gone with “I do not want new content”.

Its ironic because if Arenanet is so caught up over semantics perhaps they should fix the text errors in the game too.

The community support and moderation of the forums has very little if anything at all to do with the development of the game.

Also, why make a comment like this if it’s full of text errors as well?

“It’s ironic because if Arenanet are so caught up over semantics, perhaps they should fix the text errors in the game too.”

I’m not developing a game for millions of customers. English is not my native language (though I’m not great at that one either). Lastly, and most importantly, I said earlier now is not the time to debate over semantics when there are much greater issues at hand.

FluffyDoe.7539:

DungeonDaughter.7391:

His personal opinion is a bunch of people’s personal opinions. How about simple text bugs? You know, bugs that can be fixed in a day?, like the SE dungeon armor vendor charging the wrong prices for light gear. Or the CM vendor not offering major runes, or the guardian virtues not reflecting the correct cooldown time, or guardian signet of mercy not displaying the correct passive heal? Text bugs. You can’t even fix text bugs? Its been 3 months.

If i sound upset, it’s because I just played a broken cliffside and a broken asura fractal.

It is the majority of people‘s opinion but not everyones opinion. That’s actual correct piecing of the text; it is neither just his opinion nor everyones.

The moderator should have just left out personal… and gone with “I do not want new content”.

Hey, it belittles everyone who doesn’t share the opinion, or does but doesn’t want the OP to speak for them. Just like its inaccurate to say the majority of people share the opinion. It’s the op’s personal opinion, there’s nothing factual behind it to say its the majority, minority or anything in between.

Semantics are important especially when you want to make blanket statements. So what if the OP is belittled, they belittled the people making the game.

Ursan.7846:

Pants.8315:

kKagari.6804:

FluffyDoe.7539:

DungeonDaughter.7391:

His personal opinion is a bunch of people’s personal opinions. How about simple text bugs? You know, bugs that can be fixed in a day?, like the SE dungeon armor vendor charging the wrong prices for light gear. Or the CM vendor not offering major runes, or the guardian virtues not reflecting the correct cooldown time, or guardian signet of mercy not displaying the correct passive heal? Text bugs. You can’t even fix text bugs? Its been 3 months.

If i sound upset, it’s because I just played a broken cliffside and a broken asura fractal.

It is the majority of people‘s opinion but not everyones opinion. That’s actual correct piecing of the text; it is neither just his opinion nor everyones.

The moderator should have just left out personal… and gone with “I do not want new content”.

Its ironic because if Arenanet is so caught up over semantics perhaps they should fix the text errors in the game too.

The community support and moderation of the forums has very little if anything at all to do with the development of the game.

Also, why make a comment like this if it’s full of text errors as well?

“It’s ironic because if Arenanet are so caught up over semantics, perhaps they should fix the text errors in the game too.”

Edit: If I made any more text errors please feel free to correct me.

I think, since Arenanet is being used as a singular noun in reference to the company, “Arenanet is” the correct term to use.

Actually, I made a grammatical error, which is different to the subject in which I was arguing about, semantics (the I and We).

Ursan.7846:

Pants.8315:

kKagari.6804:

FluffyDoe.7539:

DungeonDaughter.7391:

His personal opinion is a bunch of people’s personal opinions. How about simple text bugs? You know, bugs that can be fixed in a day?, like the SE dungeon armor vendor charging the wrong prices for light gear. Or the CM vendor not offering major runes, or the guardian virtues not reflecting the correct cooldown time, or guardian signet of mercy not displaying the correct passive heal? Text bugs. You can’t even fix text bugs? Its been 3 months.

If i sound upset, it’s because I just played a broken cliffside and a broken asura fractal.

It is the majority of people‘s opinion but not everyones opinion. That’s actual correct piecing of the text; it is neither just his opinion nor everyones.

The moderator should have just left out personal… and gone with “I do not want new content”.

Its ironic because if Arenanet is so caught up over semantics perhaps they should fix the text errors in the game too.

The community support and moderation of the forums has very little if anything at all to do with the development of the game.

Also, why make a comment like this if it’s full of text errors as well?

“It’s ironic because if Arenanet are so caught up over semantics, perhaps they should fix the text errors in the game too.”

Edit: If I made any more text errors please feel free to correct me.

I think, since Arenanet is being used as a singular noun in reference to the company, “Arenanet is” the correct term to use.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/legal/forum-code-of-conduct/

“Do not engage in staff call-outs. Using the words “ArenaNet” or any staff member’s name will not expedite the answer to your query.”

Again this rule seems to pop up everywhere…

Martin Kerstein.3071:

I changed the title to reflect that it is a personal opinion.

But didn’t you know people on the forum speak for the majority of players? The people have spoken, no new content from here on out!

kKagari.6804:

Pants.8315:

kKagari.6804:

FluffyDoe.7539:

DungeonDaughter.7391:

His personal opinion is a bunch of people’s personal opinions. How about simple text bugs? You know, bugs that can be fixed in a day?, like the SE dungeon armor vendor charging the wrong prices for light gear. Or the CM vendor not offering major runes, or the guardian virtues not reflecting the correct cooldown time, or guardian signet of mercy not displaying the correct passive heal? Text bugs. You can’t even fix text bugs? Its been 3 months.

If i sound upset, it’s because I just played a broken cliffside and a broken asura fractal.

It is the majority of people‘s opinion but not everyones opinion. That’s actual correct piecing of the text; it is neither just his opinion nor everyones.

The moderator should have just left out personal… and gone with “I do not want new content”.

Its ironic because if Arenanet is so caught up over semantics perhaps they should fix the text errors in the game too.

The community support and moderation of the forums has very little if anything at all to do with the development of the game.

Also, why make a comment like this if it’s full of text errors as well?

“It’s ironic because if Arenanet are so caught up over semantics, perhaps they should fix the text errors in the game too.”

I’m not developing a game for millions of customers. English is not my native language (though I’m not great at that one either). Lastly, and most importantly, I said earlier now is not the time to debate over semantics when there are much greater issues at hand.

Fair enough.

However, as I said in my previous post, it’s easy to say that more time should be spent fixing bugs etc. But at the end of the day, a development company doesn’t work like that.

As illustrated in the post above yours, content is created by entirely different people who actually wouldn’t be working on bug fixes anyway.

While I do like getting new content, and realize that there are different teams working on the new additions, I still think there needs to be more focus on bugs than there currently is. The missing reconnection/rejoin feature in Fractals is a perfect highlighting of this. It was just stated today that this problem is at least a week and a half away from a fix, and it has people dedicated to this specific issue. This problem does need fixed, but there were more than enough problems needing fixed before FotM added even more bugs on top of that list. Instead there are now people working on this newly introduced problem, when they could be working to fix things that have been bugged since release.

Ravrohan.8231:

FluffyDoe.7539:

DungeonDaughter.7391:

His personal opinion is a bunch of people’s personal opinions. How about simple text bugs? You know, bugs that can be fixed in a day?, like the SE dungeon armor vendor charging the wrong prices for light gear. Or the CM vendor not offering major runes, or the guardian virtues not reflecting the correct cooldown time, or guardian signet of mercy not displaying the correct passive heal? Text bugs. You can’t even fix text bugs? Its been 3 months.

If i sound upset, it’s because I just played a broken cliffside and a broken asura fractal.

It is the majority of people‘s opinion but not everyones opinion. That’s actual correct piecing of the text; it is neither just his opinion nor everyones.

The moderator should have just left out personal… and gone with “I do not want new content”.

Hey, it belittles everyone who doesn’t share the opinion, or does but doesn’t want the OP to speak for them. Just like its inaccurate to say the majority of people share the opinion. It’s the op’s personal opinion, there’s nothing factual behind it to say its the majority, minority or anything in between.

Semantics are important especially when you want to make blanket statements. So what if the OP is belittled, they belittled the people making the game.

I’m not sure it is in Arenanet’s best interests to use schoolyard logic in their PR departments. “I did it because HE did it first! Take that!”

Ursan.7846:

Pants.8315:

kKagari.6804:

FluffyDoe.7539:

DungeonDaughter.7391:

His personal opinion is a bunch of people’s personal opinions. How about simple text bugs? You know, bugs that can be fixed in a day?, like the SE dungeon armor vendor charging the wrong prices for light gear. Or the CM vendor not offering major runes, or the guardian virtues not reflecting the correct cooldown time, or guardian signet of mercy not displaying the correct passive heal? Text bugs. You can’t even fix text bugs? Its been 3 months.

If i sound upset, it’s because I just played a broken cliffside and a broken asura fractal.

It is the majority of people‘s opinion but not everyones opinion. That’s actual correct piecing of the text; it is neither just his opinion nor everyones.

The moderator should have just left out personal… and gone with “I do not want new content”.

Its ironic because if Arenanet is so caught up over semantics perhaps they should fix the text errors in the game too.

The community support and moderation of the forums has very little if anything at all to do with the development of the game.

Also, why make a comment like this if it’s full of text errors as well?

“It’s ironic because if Arenanet are so caught up over semantics, perhaps they should fix the text errors in the game too.”

Edit: If I made any more text errors please feel free to correct me.

I think, since Arenanet is being used as a singular noun in reference to the company, “Arenanet is” the correct term to use.

Thank you Always wished I’d taken English further as a subject

khefka.2804:

Martin Kerstein.3071:

I changed the title to reflect that it is a personal opinion.

But didn’t you know people on the forum speak for the majority of players? The people have spoken, no new content from here on out!

Sarcasm isn’t going to get anybody anywhere, clearly if you read the OP properly you’d realize there was a very big “FIRST” at the end, he’s clearly not saying “Never release new content ever” he’s merely asking that they stop focusing entirely on releases as opposed to fixing what should be working already.
Making a straw man out of his argument doesn’t make him wrong.

Even if the forum posters aren’t the majority of the players, their feedback is still important, regardless if you agree with that statement or not.

Martin Kerstein.3071:

I changed the title to reflect that it is a personal opinion.

It’s clearly not a personal opinion like the above says.

I really wish Arenanet would give the game a coat of TLC across all the existing content before moving on to new things – you can’t build on shaky ground and expect positive results.

Rather than simply point out the OP’s false claim that he speaks for everyone, perhaps those in opposition should simply work on proving his opinion wrong with facts…

“just saiyan”

Martin Kerstein.3071:

I changed the title to reflect that it is a personal opinion.

hardly. Listen to your community once in a while. While he may not speak for the community as a whole, you know as well as I do that the small percentage of players on this forum represent a much larger group in game who do not use them.

He is not alone, not even close to alone in this thought as the dwindling numbers in my guild, and in wv3 speak pretty much for themselves.

Hellkaiser.6025:

Rather than simply point out the OP’s false claim that he speaks for everyone, perhaps those in opposition should simply work on proving his opinion wrong with facts…

Everyone = nobody disagrees.

Somebody is disagreeing. Thus, it’s not everyone.
/thread

RyuDragnier.9476:

Hellkaiser.6025:

Rather than simply point out the OP’s false claim that he speaks for everyone, perhaps those in opposition should simply work on proving his opinion wrong with facts…

Everyone = nobody disagrees.

Somebody is disagreeing. Thus, it’s not everyone.
/thread

Please if you would be so kind as to re-read what I wrote again and make sure that you fully comprehend the post before you reply. Thank you.

Also if you’re having issues understanding it feel free to ask me to clarify if the post’s meaning eludes you.

RyuDragnier.9476:

Hellkaiser.6025:

Rather than simply point out the OP’s false claim that he speaks for everyone, perhaps those in opposition should simply work on proving his opinion wrong with facts…

Everyone = nobody disagrees.

Somebody is disagreeing. Thus, it’s not everyone.
/thread

He didn’t start with everyone. He started with We. Its a debatable definition of whether that encompasses everyone or just a select group.

/openthread

I suppose this topic title should be changed accordingly now too:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/We-Are-In-Danger-We-Must-Act-Now/first#post916008

Ironically it was changing the thread title which derailed this thread. We does not me we all, multiple people share the OPs view, multiple people is not I, it’s we. Thus we is correct.

As odericko said, “There is surely enough opinions that would make We more appropriate. We =/= everyone, We = more than one.”

Now can we get back on topic and discuss the issue of current content vs new content and how players value each in comparison to the other? They are not mutually exclusive but they do compete for the same resources. Prioritising those resources is a key issue here.

Hellkaiser.6025:

Rather than simply point out the OP’s false claim that he speaks for everyone, perhaps those in opposition should simply work on proving him wrong with facts…

“just saiyan”

There are several other posts in this thread that do just that.

A development company is not a collective of people that can fix bugs. Teams are assigned to do different things.

Whilst it is possible that more QA time should be spent on ensuring that reported issues are taken care of as a priority to new content. It isn’t as simple as that.

Shiren.9532:

Ironically it was changing the thread title which derailed this thread. We does not me we all, multiple people share the OPs view, multiple people is not I, it’s we. Thus we is correct.

As odericko said, “There is surely enough opinions that would make We more appropriate. We =/= everyone, We = more than one.”

Now can we get back on topic and discuss the issue of current content vs new content and how players value each in comparison to the other? They are not mutually exclusive but they do compete for the same resources. Prioritising those resources is a key issue here.

Exactly.

People are simply focusing on the fact that his thread title was slightly misleading and incorrect (a simple mistake) and using that to turn his argument into a straw man,
his real point was this exactly.

I’ve yet to see anyone prove that powering on with further content releases is better than fixing the horribly broken content that plagues the game currently.

There are several other posts in this thread that do just that.

A development company is not a collective of people that can fix bugs. Teams are assigned to do different things.

Whilst it is possible that more QA time should be spent on ensuring that reported issues are taken care of as a priority to new content. It isn’t as simple as that.

Perhaps, but when a team is churning out new content that’s proving broken or bugged, it’s could be considered an indicator that their teams are potentially spread too thin, and I personally wouldn’t complain if they were to relax on the new content releases while they get their “foundations” sorted, I certainly wouldn’t want to see the whole thing crumble out from underneath future content later on and lead to further messes.

Ravrohan.8231:

FluffyDoe.7539:

DungeonDaughter.7391:

His personal opinion is a bunch of people’s personal opinions. How about simple text bugs? You know, bugs that can be fixed in a day?, like the SE dungeon armor vendor charging the wrong prices for light gear. Or the CM vendor not offering major runes, or the guardian virtues not reflecting the correct cooldown time, or guardian signet of mercy not displaying the correct passive heal? Text bugs. You can’t even fix text bugs? Its been 3 months.

If i sound upset, it’s because I just played a broken cliffside and a broken asura fractal.

It is the majority of people‘s opinion but not everyones opinion. That’s actual correct piecing of the text; it is neither just his opinion nor everyones.

The moderator should have just left out personal… and gone with “I do not want new content”.

Hey, it belittles everyone who doesn’t share the opinion, or does but doesn’t want the OP to speak for them. Just like its inaccurate to say the majority of people share the opinion. It’s the op’s personal opinion, there’s nothing factual behind it to say its the majority, minority or anything in between.

Semantics are important especially when you want to make blanket statements. So what if the OP is belittled, they belittled the people making the game.

So just leave it as “I do not want new content”, don’t need to over emphasize anything by putting in “personally”… cuz y’all know that’s what happens when the Mod tries to ‘change it’… people overeacts to the littlest of the meanings on this forum; that’s a fact.

Hellkaiser.6025:

Shiren.9532:

Ironically it was changing the thread title which derailed this thread. We does not me we all, multiple people share the OPs view, multiple people is not I, it’s we. Thus we is correct.

As odericko said, “There is surely enough opinions that would make We more appropriate. We =/= everyone, We = more than one.”

Now can we get back on topic and discuss the issue of current content vs new content and how players value each in comparison to the other? They are not mutually exclusive but they do compete for the same resources. Prioritising those resources is a key issue here.

Exactly.

People are simply focusing on the fact that his thread title was slightly misleading and incorrect (a simple mistake) and using that to turn his argument into a straw man,
his real point was this exactly.

I’ve yet to see anyone prove that powering on with further content releases is better than fixing the horribly broken content that plagues the game currently.

Again.

It it simply isn’t a matter of ‘fixing’ the content that is already in the game.

It’s a juggling act, more man power and resources could be more beneficial to the QA team and give more comprehensive testing and direction for bug fixes to the team assigned to fixing them. The cost is in time.

It isn’t a matter of simply halting content production. That content is intended to keep the highest possible amount of concurrent players. Who may or may not be willing to pay for gems, but regardless, more is better.

If people are simply stagnating, waiting for bug fixes then the concurrent users will fall.

Currently there are people working solely on bug fixing and balancing. These fixes are being rolled out as fast as they are made (given the finite resources available), along with content, which is just as important from a business perspective.

As much as I like getting new content, I’d rather they fix broken events and personal story instances, bugged or lackluster traits and class skills, and the typos and text errors that are everywhere first.

Personally, any enthusiasm for new content is instantly eliminated whenever I log in and see bugs that have existed since BWE1 and still haven’t been fixed.

I understand that there are probably separate teams that work on various different things in GW2. The problem is, it was said that there are only 2 people working on all of the classes. TWO!

The content designers can keep making content, but please hire more people to be completely dedicated to bug fixes / class fixes. Two is not enough.

Well they appear to be on the ball did they not just release a patch today?’