Guild Wars 2

If you don’t yet know why I make this prediction, please read the patch notes very carefully, particularly the part about “what you’re going to have to do for even the minimum number of achievement points”.

Rage On!

I just have been raging in EU.

So I have 4 options. Queensdale Event, Maguuma Forager, Mystic Toilet usage, Jungle Wurm. Never done a JW, never want to. Guess I’m going to have to learn to use the Mystic Toilet >_<

Basically, this is Anet again saying “Play how WE want you to play” aka trying to force us into WvW and PvP.

What the heck is it with Anet intentionally limiting options or trying to force us to play how we don’t want to?

I don’t understand… the 1st revamp of the daily had too few choices, so the 2nd revamp of the daily added more choices, now the 3rd revamp of the daily removed those choices…

First off… Why do you keep wasting development time revamping the daily? this is literally the 4th iteration of it.

Secondly… why are we reverting to having no choices? that was what you tried to solve with the last revamp…

Interesting. I’ll want to see what each event or situation is beforehand. But, if it’s anything like forcing us to do specific events, that won’t go over well.

Still, they can revamp it.

Remember, one of the original daily requirement made you do a combination or something like that with an attack. I guess that was too confusing since it disappeared shortly thereafter.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

I don’t understand… the 1st revamp of the daily had too few choices, so the 2nd revamp of the daily added more choices, now the 3rd revamp of the daily removed those choices…

First off… Why do you keep wasting development time revamping the daily? this is literally the 4th iteration of it.

Secondly… why are we reverting to having no choices? that was what you tried to solve with the last revamp…

Sometimes it feels like Anet is 2 factions duking it out over the direction of the game.

This is one of those occasions. The changes to the daily seem schizophrenic compared to the last changes.

I don’t expect any explanation as to why they have done this.

I just honestly don’t see why resources keep being wasted on changing dailies (4 times now?!) yet the trait system FIASCO has been ongoing since April 15 with NO FIX.

I wish I could scream and ANet could actually hear it.

Oh ANet…

Can someone post the meme with the triple facepalm?

Ardenwolfe.8590:

Remember, one of the original daily requirement made you do a combination or something like that with an attack. I guess that was too confusing since it disappeared shortly thereafter.

It required you killing an enemy with a combo effect triggered off the field someone else set (if i remeber correctly). Neither of whose was mentioned in the daily’s description. And got removed because it was met with a heavily negative response (also, it seems only a small percent of people even tried doing it after it first showed up, which may have been a factor as well).

Also, looked at the dailies. It’s as bad as was expected. Good job anet, You have again managed to turn an at least passable mechanic into something significantly worse.

I must be reading the wrong patch notes – can someone link?
Or can the OP be explained?

From what I’ve read it sounds like they’re attempting to implement what “we” have been asking for..?

I have already filled my quota of screaming and raging about another issue and it did no good. I am plumb out of outrage.

The point of dailies is not to dump items into your inventory. The point of dailies is to incentivize players to participate in specific content.

By trimming down what can be done in PvE, you create the impetus for players to participate in WvW or PvP.

While I agree (pn the one hand) regarding the problem with limiting choices, I think that for AP hunters, being given more specific things to do for the sake of the AP hunting and not a long list of things anyone can do accidentally by running around for 30 minutes is actually a better option. The game shouldn’t be fostering “let me just log in and do my dailies”. Dailies should be something that you strive for. Like JPs are not everyone’s cup of tea, neither should all dailies. I get why they made the change, although a few more options like 2 per difficulty tier per game type mode would have been better.

Atlas Tsahalla.2456:

I must be reading the wrong patch notes – can someone link?
Or can the OP be explained?

From what I’ve read it sounds like they’re attempting to implement what “we” have been asking for..?

I don’t think I ever asked to be forced to join the Jungle worm guild or be forced to PvP…

Those are your current options if you want to complete the daily for today.

mtpelion.4562:

The point of dailies is not to dump items into your inventory. The point of dailies is to incentivize players to participate in specific content.

By trimming down what can be done in PvE, you create the impetus for players to participate in WvW or PvP.

Or just buckle up and do 3 of the 4 PvE items to get your daily done, it’s not that hard people. So you might have to do a World Boss now and again, or take 5 minutes out of your routine to do go to a specific zone and do a specific event…it’s not the end of the world. Stop your griping and kittening. Dailies aren’t even a requirement, so what’s there to whine about.

Thing is, if you don’t want to play the game their way… don’t.

Do what you want. Play how you like.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Atlas Tsahalla.2456:

I must be reading the wrong patch notes – can someone link?
Or can the OP be explained?

From what I’ve read it sounds like they’re attempting to implement what “we” have been asking for..?

I don’t think I ever asked to be forced to join the Jungle worm guild or be forced to PvP…

Those are your current options if you want to complete the daily for today.

Oh really? Tell me please, who is forcing you to do dailies? The sense of entitlement in this thread is incredible. Play the game for fun not for dailies…

ZudetGambeous.9573:

I don’t think I ever asked to be forced to join the Jungle worm guild or be forced to PvP…

Those are your current options if you want to complete the daily for today.

There is no “Jungle Wurm guild”. I think you are thinking of Triple Trouble.

Also, no one is forcing you to do dailies. They are there to incentivize you to do things you wouldn’t normally do. If you don’t want to do new things, then don’t worry about dailies.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Atlas Tsahalla.2456:

I must be reading the wrong patch notes – can someone link?
Or can the OP be explained?

From what I’ve read it sounds like they’re attempting to implement what “we” have been asking for..?

I don’t think I ever asked to be forced to join the Jungle worm guild or be forced to PvP…

Those are your current options if you want to complete the daily for today.

I think that it’s the caledon wurm, not the triple headed. If i ever see that one on the list, i will go well beyond just disappointed with Anet.

The only issue I can see with linking the dailies to certain events is it could restrict some players, say they use Teq for example,

12am <—sleeping
8am <—heading to work/school
4pm<—still at work/school

I don’t know why they are restricting it, maybe this is just an intro and they will add more dailies to it, unless the rewards are outstanding for doing this now, but I think that for a game that is play the way you want, but if you do and don’t play the way we want you to play you wont get rewarded, is the wrong way to go.

GuzziHero.5104:

Basically, this is Anet again saying “Play how WE want you to play” aka trying to force us into WvW and PvP.

Exactly why I say the PvE players will rage.

We PvP/WvW players can go to PvE, it’s just that many of us don’t really enjoy it.

GuzziHero.5104:

I don’t expect any explanation as to why they have done this.

Of course not.

Astralporing.1957:

I don’t think I ever asked to be forced to join the Jungle worm guild or be forced to PvP…

Those are your current options if you want to complete the daily for today.

I think that it’s the caledon wurm, not the triple headed. If i ever see that one on the list, i will go well beyond just disappointed with Anet.

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You have a good point. I thought it was the one in Bloodtide. This has assuaged my rage a little.

Still, it is a time-gated event which those with limited time may not be able to participate in.

Ok I Did It.2854:

The only issue I can see with linking the dailies to certain events is it could restrict some players, say they use Teq for example,

12am <—sleeping
8am <—heading to work/school
4pm<—still at work/school

I don’t know why they are restricting it, maybe this is just an intro and they will add more dailies to it, unless the rewards are outstanding for doing this now, but I think that for a game that is play the way you want, but if you do and don’t play the way we want you to play you wont get rewarded, is the wrong way to go.

This is exactly my concern with having certain events linked to dailies. Even the more frequent spawning events still limit you, especially if you are like me and have maybe 2 or so hours a day to play (when the kids go to bed). I may want to do the event, but if I’m not playing at the right times, I simply can’t

Those 3 achievements are done even faster than the old ones.. i like it..

mtpelion.4562:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

I don’t think I ever asked to be forced to join the Jungle worm guild or be forced to PvP…

Those are your current options if you want to complete the daily for today.

There is no “Jungle Wurm guild”. I think you are thinking of Triple Trouble.

Also, no one is forcing you to do dailies. They are there to incentivize you to do things you wouldn’t normally do. If you don’t want to do new things, then don’t worry about dailies.

You’re right I don’t have to play the game, no one is forcing me to. I guess i’ll go play something else instead until this is changed back.

Even though I do everything, I completed the daily in PvE easily. MF’d 4 light gloves, ran around sparkfly and gathered some stuff, took a 100% map completion character to Queensdale to find events easily (use the content guide).

Very quick. Very easy. Even completed the new toy weapon collection.

GreenAlien.5623:

Those 3 achievements are done even faster than the old ones.. i like it..

Ok so I posted before patching, and I agree they are fast, and you can mix and match them, and you get a chest for each daily which gives rewards for that daily, so far this seems like a simple system, and should be ok.

ZudetGambeous.9573

You’re right I don’t have to play the game, no one is forcing me to. I guess i’ll go play something else instead until this is changed back.

If dailies are the only reason you are playing the game, then yes, you would be happier playing elsewhere.

mtpelion.4562:

The point of dailies is not to dump items into your inventory. The point of dailies is to incentivize players to participate in specific content.

By trimming down what can be done in PvE, you create the impetus for players to participate in WvW or PvP.

The point of dailies is to maintain a high player population. By reducing the available options for PVE players ( a very large percentage of the total player population ) you reduce the incentive for those players to play GW2. In doing so you reduce exposure to the Cash shop and business income.

Plus: A lot of players enjoy PVE, they don’t like being ganked. They will simply reduce play time in GW2, rather than be ganked in any type of PvP.

Common-sense principles underpin most business activities: You don’t restrict the amount of strawberries you sell, to force a customer to eat Prunes, if they don’t like the taste of them.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

I don’t understand… the 1st revamp of the daily had too few choices, so the 2nd revamp of the daily added more choices, now the 3rd revamp of the daily removed those choices…

First off… Why do you keep wasting development time revamping the daily? this is literally the 4th iteration of it.

Secondly… why are we reverting to having no choices? that was what you tried to solve with the last revamp…

Can’t wait for the 5th iteration. I would love to be a fly on the wall in one of their development meetings to hear the rational for these things.

mtpelion.4562:

The point of dailies is not to dump items into your inventory. The point of dailies is to incentivize players to participate in specific content.

By trimming down what can be done in PvE, you create the impetus for players to participate in WvW or PvP.

Huh. Can you tell me where ANET made this statement about the “point” of dailies?

I just do not understand we need specific world bosses now, I have 2 childrena and a family, and I never do triple trouble, and very, very, rarely go to Tequatl… Just because I do not have the time. Let’s see the temple of grenth appear next… nice and random spawn, and see how many peole like waiting forrever and having noobs doing the defence event if we need the conquer event for example. that wouldn’t be outrage, it would just mean people go and play something else, and ignore dailies.

And oh now we got to do pvp and wvw so we can be “whole” players? Who says so?

If A-Net thinks 10 AP’s is a better incentive then actual LOOT AT THE KITTEN EVENTS… Well: They are dumber then Skritt!

Maybethe people are at Ooze level and not the Chromatic ones, just the plain Yellow ones, those with immobilize. That’s what they do, they immobilize the game . Luckily they still haven’t evolved to Destroyers… (I hope….)

I don’t really care if it’s ‘quick and easy’ today. After a while, just like when they had such specific stuff before, ‘quick and easy’ will turn into a chore you tire of doing. Zone/event specific dailies aren’t the way to go. It is much better for dailies to be possible to complete around the entirety of Tyria.

PaxTheGreatOne.9472:

I just do not understand we need specific world bosses now, I have 2 childrena and a family, and I never do triple trouble, and very, very, rarely go to Tequatl… Just because I do not have the time. Let’s see the temple of grenth appear next… nice and random spawn, and see how many peole like waiting forrever and having noobs doing the defence event if we need the conquer event for example. that wouldn’t be outrage, it would just mean people go and play something else, and ignore dailies.

And oh now we got to do pvp and wvw so we can be whole players? Who says so.
If A-Net thinks 10 AP’s is a better incentive then actual LOOT AT THE KITTEN EVENTS… Well: They are dumber then Skritt! Maybe Ooze level and not the chromatic ones, just the plain yellow ones, with immobilize. That’s what they do, they immobilize the game .

No, you don’t. All you have to do is gather some nodes in maguuma, use the MF once, and some Queensdale events.

You don’t have to do Jungle Wurm. You don’t have to PvP. You don’t have to do WvW.

PaxTheGreatOne.9472:

I just do not understand we need specific world bosses now, I have 2 childrena and a family, and I never do triple trouble, and very, very, rarely go to Tequatl…

Your signature lists that you have 13 level 80 characters. Your two children and family haven’t stopped you from getting them all levelled up. I don’t think the world is going to end if you’re unable to stop by Caledon Forest to fight the newbie world boss there today.

Ignore the world boss and do the other three. Problem solved. Or find the time 25 minutes from now to go smack the Jungle Wurm for the two bonus rares it gives today instead of the normal one.

Man, this sux. Like many have said “…PvE only” and the choices today are really really bad. Queensdale Event and Maguuma Forager are the only ones I’d consider PvE. While I like the differant locations the lack of a third PvE option is stoopid design.

“Play the way YOU want to play!” was the guiding light for the game and now it’s “Play stuff we have a hard time getting player counts up” ’cuz you know they look at metrics. What a swell way to skew the numbers.

Played every day since Pre and always did the dailies for fun. Now, that fun is gone…

I just did this. Not that hard. Harvested some plants. Did 4 events. Threw 4 items in the mystic forge.

I did them and failed to rage.

MFoy.3284:

Man, this sux. Like many have said “…PvE only” and the choices today are really really bad. Queensdale Event and Maguuma Forager are the only ones I’d consider PvE. While I like the differant locations the lack of a third PvE option is stoopid design.

Played every day since Pre and always did the dailies for fun. Now, that fun is gone…

So, um.. have you ever tried fighting the Great Jungle Wurm?

It spawns in about 12 minutes just north of Falias Thorp Waypoint in Caledon Forest. Pop over there to kill it, and the game will give you two rares, one for the boss and one for the daily. You’ll probably also get an extra 10 AP for the specific boss achievement if you’ve never tried fighting it before, yet.

I don’t remember the old dailies ever giving me rare equipment..

Guhracie.3419:

mtpelion.4562:

The point of dailies is not to dump items into your inventory. The point of dailies is to incentivize players to participate in specific content.

By trimming down what can be done in PvE, you create the impetus for players to participate in WvW or PvP.

Huh. Can you tell me where ANET made this statement about the “point” of dailies?

I understand that not everyone has a background in business or marketing, which is why I felt the need to explain the point of the daily concept.

There won’t be a quote from ArenaNet, because they don’t need/want to say it. They want to advertise it to you from your perspective, not theirs.

I’ve simply provided you with their perspective as well.

It is the same perspective shared by every single business on the planet. It’s a universal truth of commerce, which is why you won’t see a quote from any business explaining it. For them, that would be like making a statement that 1 = 1.

Yeah, the METRIX™ told ANet:

“Noone is playing this kitten, make them do it, so your new God is happy.
Make them suffer!”

I for one welcome our new overlord!

ALL PRAISE THE METRIX™!

Seeing as i cant get dailies done anymore while doing my usual stuff. I wont be doing them anymore. The new daily rewards are crap and the log in rewards will get me my laurels. So i guess it really doesnt matter. I can get better rewards for less effort just by logging in.

Guhracie.3419:

mtpelion.4562:

The point of dailies is not to dump items into your inventory. The point of dailies is to incentivize players to participate in specific content.

By trimming down what can be done in PvE, you create the impetus for players to participate in WvW or PvP.

Huh. Can you tell me where ANET made this statement about the “point” of dailies?

@ Guhracie.3419:
The point of dailies…
http://www.forbes.com/sites/carolpinchefsky/2013/03/12/has-guild-wars-2-become-too-complicated/
I spoke on the telephone with Isaiah Cartwright, GW2’s lead designer, about the dungeons and currencies, and most recently, the addition of the guild system.

Q:There have also been changes to the daily system. Before, you had to complete a set number of tasks in a day (completed dynamic events, plants gathered, etc). What’s changed?

A: We give you an option of like eight to ten [goals, such as killing enemies underwater or reviving other players and NPCs], and you get to pick five that you want to accomplish. So if you don’t like doing dungeons, you don’t have to choose it.
It only takes twenty to thirty minutes to accomplish these things, and it gives people a taste of different types of content. We try to kind of mix it up to encourage players to go to different maps and try different things out. We feel our system is the most robust one.

spoj.9672:

Seeing as i cant get dailies done anymore while doing my usual stuff. I wont be doing them anymore. The new daily rewards are crap and the log in rewards will get me my laurels. So i guess it really doesnt matter. I can get better rewards for less effort just by logging in.

That’s kind of the point. If you don’t care about the 10 AP, there’s no reason to do dailies unless you happen to want some of the individual rewards for each one.

Finished my Dailies with No problem took me even less time than before. =D Overall I am enjoying this new system a lot.

Nabrok.9023:

spoj.9672:

Seeing as i cant get dailies done anymore while doing my usual stuff. I wont be doing them anymore. The new daily rewards are crap and the log in rewards will get me my laurels. So i guess it really doesnt matter. I can get better rewards for less effort just by logging in.

That’s kind of the point. If you don’t care about the 10 AP, there’s no reason to do dailies unless you happen to want some of the individual rewards for each one.

Yeah i guess i dont really understand why they wanted to do this. But it doesnt bother me as i really dont give a crap about AP. But i can undestand why people are annoyed with the lack of choice. Its a step back in that regard thats for sure.

Your prediction is a bit late.

I predict a lot of people will try and provoke responses and be passive aggressive to a painful fault…
As per usual on these forums…

mtpelion.4562:

The point of dailies is not to dump items into your inventory. The point of dailies is to incentivize players to participate in specific content.

By trimming down what can be done in PvE, you create the impetus for players to participate in WvW or PvP.

I paid for this game. It’s mine now. I resent the attempted manipulation.

I dunno, this looks pretty okay to me. Least getting dailies will be less tedious to do in terms of quantity if the tradeoff is doing specific objectives.

MFoy.3284:

“Play the way YOU want to play!” was the guiding light for the game and now it’s “Play stuff we have a hard time getting player counts up”

Yes. This. This.