Guild Wars 2

If PvE players are so hot for “progression” why not make masteries per character. Wouldn’t that be more rewarding for them when they are going for elite specs?

That would be absolutely dreadful.

People already hate that you have to grind for it as it is, making per character would just throw people over the edge. lol

Its solid the way it is.

To make them per character would make the inmates riot.

SoulstitchMMO.1396:

If PvE players are so hot for “progression” why not make masteries per character. Wouldn’t that be more rewarding for them when they are going for elite specs?

Where have you been? If you’ve been watching the forums at all you’d just have seen people moaning that they have to work on unlocking things. Players just seem to want everything unlocked for them from the start. Elite specialisations, masteries, skins, you name it…a lot of people just don’t want to have to work on it. It’s not just HoT either; this was also the case at launch; Players on this forum complaining that they didn’t want to have to level to 80.

I like the progression the way it is. The current Mastery system means that if you have multiple alts then the first time you do the story you have nothing unlocked. The second time you might have gliding and mushrooms unlocked. The third time maybe you also have updrafts and speed boost ‘shrooms. This means that each time you play through the story (providing you don’t just blitz the Masteries in a week on one alt) then you get to have a slightly different experience each time you play through. I think that’s nice.

Naevius.3185:

<Swaps to pitchfork and torch weapon set>

Aren’t pitchforks two handed?

SoulstitchMMO.1396:

If PvE players are so hot for “progression” why not make masteries per character. Wouldn’t that be more rewarding for them when they are going for elite specs?

No…just no!!!

SoulstitchMMO has his knickers in a twist over HoT so it’s best not to feed him.

What’s funny is if you invested all the time you’ve spent creating and replying to threads whining about hero points, you’d be done already.

Wasn’t one thread enough?

This goes all the way back to the CDI’s that ANET ran a year or so ago. Folks asked for account based end game progression, particularly for the folks that play numerous alternate characters. The mastery system was specifically developed to allow this kind of player progress WITHOUT having to do all over again everything across each character.

Character based end game progression is seen in the elite specializations. Asking for the masteries to be character based rather than account based completely misses the point entirely. If you would like to understand where HoT is now and why it was developed this way, you really need to go back and sift through the CDI discussions.

Yeah, no.

You see the people already calling masteries a grind right now while they are account bound. You’d be turning that up to 11 if you change it to a character bound system.

Sarie.1630:

SoulstitchMMO.1396:

If PvE players are so hot for “progression” why not make masteries per character. Wouldn’t that be more rewarding for them when they are going for elite specs?

Where have you been? If you’ve been watching the forums at all you’d just have seen people moaning that they have to work on unlocking things. Players just seem to want everything unlocked for them from the start. Elite specialisations, masteries, skins, you name it…a lot of people just don’t want to have to work on it. It’s not just HoT either; this was also the case at launch; Players on this forum complaining that they didn’t want to have to level to 80.

This guy has made a number of posts complaining about having to unlock his elite specialization. Check his posting history. This thread is a snarky way of complaining again, to people who don’t mind unlocking.

What I’m so baffled by here is that masteries are end-game progression. End. Game. Progression. If we could blow through this in two days there is no end game progression. People would get bored too quickly, and there would be nothing left to work towards. The reason people see this as such a grind is because they feel they are being forced to level these masteries, and go out of their way to do just that. But honestly, if you stop for just a second, and go play the expansion you’ll unlock masteries in no time. Not to mention the fact that the story doesn’t require any rediculous high level masteries to unlock, and most places on the map are accessible without high levels of masteries. Just play the game guys. Play the game.

SoulstitchMMO.1396:

If PvE players are so hot for “progression” why not make masteries per character. Wouldn’t that be more rewarding for them when they are going for elite specs?

I think you should be flogged for even thinking such a thing

ZachAttack.3957:

What I’m so baffled by here is that masteries are end-game progression. End. Game. Progression. If we could blow through this in two days there is no end game progression. People would get bored too quickly, and there would be nothing left to work towards. The reason people see this as such a grind is because they feel they are being forced to level these masteries, and go out of their way to do just that. But honestly, if you stop for just a second, and go play the expansion you’ll unlock masteries in no time. Not to mention the fact that the story doesn’t require any rediculous high level masteries to unlock, and most places on the map are accessible without high levels of masteries. Just play the game guys. Play the game.

I have been trying to “just play the game” but HoT makes me grind to progress. It kind of sucks if you don’t choose the correct line and then you have to grind out 1 million XP to progress the story. Plus most of the events require groups and I don’t care what your experience is, mine shows me that its hard to find groups doing the events to get the needed xp and this will just get worse as the rush dies down.

I am extremely happy that it is account bound though. So after I finally finish the story I can play straight through it with out any grind on all my alts.

Lobo Dela Noche.5127:

SoulstitchMMO.1396:

If PvE players are so hot for “progression” why not make masteries per character. Wouldn’t that be more rewarding for them when they are going for elite specs?

I think you should be flogged for even thinking such a thing

Yes well, every time I mention putting elites back down to 1 per, or increasing the Proofs of Heroic rewards in WvW, or making them account wide, this the argument I get. Crap about “progression” and “rewards” from pve players.

Yet if you tell the pve players they have to do their own progression, or work for their rewards I get “you should be flogged”.

Double. Standard.

http://www.metacritic.com/user/SoulstitchMMO

You seem like a very reasonable, rational person who it would be worthwhile to have a logical discussion with. Someone who doesn’t have a chip on their shoulder and can present and understand nuanced arguments from both sides. I’m glad you aren’t another one of the knee-jerk/hyperbolic reactionaries we’ve been plagued with.

Keep up the good work, though, judging from your forum post history, you already are.

Except, he has a point. If WVW players want the “Elite” specs to play in WVW in any reasonable time they have to do HOT, pve content, that they probably dont enjoy.

Quite honestly im all for making WVW like PVP where all skills and specs are unlocked for the area, which i know the OP didnt say that, but still.

Players farming Cof would crash the servers.

Seriously just NO.

Dante.1763:

Except, he has a point. If WVW players want the “Elite” specs to play in WVW in any reasonable time they have to do HOT, pve content, that they probably dont enjoy.

Quite honestly im all for making WVW like PVP where all skills and specs are unlocked for the area, which i know the OP didnt say that, but still.

TBH they should have done this long ago, as well as doing away with the “server” system in favor of a “season team” system so the matchmaking worked better and the overall mode was better matched/more competitive.

I honestly don’t see what they’d lose by moving WvW to the pvp build system and having it pay out the same rewards it already does in terms of loot/ranks. They’d just be removing what seems to be an unnecessary barrier from a mode that they already went to a lot of trouble to create a mode-specific form of progression for in the form of wvw ranks.

Dante.1763:

Except, he has a point. If WVW players want the “Elite” specs to play in WVW in any reasonable time they have to do HOT, pve content, that they probably dont enjoy.

Quite honestly im all for making WVW like PVP where all skills and specs are unlocked for the area, which i know the OP didnt say that, but still.

I didn’t say that because I tried making that argument back when I was in Alpha and they shot it down completely, so I was happy to be able to level my characters, and build my characters free from pve through crafting or wvw.

This expansion changed all that. Unless you log in during peak hours and join a karma train, your progress is very very slow.

Just for comparisons I ran in and did most of the hero challenges that don’t require Mastery and thought it was a joke. There’s FAR more effort involved in WvW to get Rank, and the reward is infinitesimal.

So PvE players get their masteries and are content to trash every effort for WvW players to be on equal footing, because they have it so easy. WvW players have the same grind per character to get their Elite Spec, or they have to not be in WvW and go and grind PvE content to get their characters developed, which leaves WvW a ghost land.

Masteries have so much exp required for level becuase there account based if they were per character the grind would naturally be lessened.

However what do you tell the no life that has dedicated hours on end or the wimps who use exploitation or the snooty crowd who grind dungeons for hours on end then QQ about normal people who haven’t unlocked masteries yet.

I have a job and responsibilities I can’t be grinding masteries for hours on end part of the reason I play this game instead of others like WoW is becuase those other games are jobs and Gw2 is more casual. That said I wouldn’t mind if it was per if they lowered the exp for the sole reason I only have 1 toon I actually gear and that’s my main.

Sarie.1630:

Naevius.3185:

<Swaps to pitchfork and torch weapon set>

Aren’t pitchforks two handed?

Not if you’re a norn.

If you are not happy with the progression with in WvW, then address that, ask for that to be changed, and not for a change to happen in an aspect of the game you don’t even like anyways. You just come off as being petty with your OP.

eisberg.2379:

If you are not happy with the progression with in WvW, then address that, ask for that to be changed, and not for a change to happen in an aspect of the game you don’t even like anyways. You just come off as being petty with your OP.

He has in other threads.

Dante.1763:

eisberg.2379:

If you are not happy with the progression with in WvW, then address that, ask for that to be changed, and not for a change to happen in an aspect of the game you don’t even like anyways. You just come off as being petty with your OP.

He has in other threads.

Then what is the point of this thread, other than to be petty?

eisberg.2379:

Dante.1763:

eisberg.2379:

If you are not happy with the progression with in WvW, then address that, ask for that to be changed, and not for a change to happen in an aspect of the game you don’t even like anyways. You just come off as being petty with your OP.

He has in other threads.

Then what is the point of this thread, other than to be petty?

Sounds like he snapped finally to me. Hes gotten some petty responses when he brought up WVW in other threads, so its no surprise.

PopeUrban.2578:

What’s funny is if you invested all the time you’ve spent creating and replying to threads whining about hero points, you’d be done already.

People can’t play the game from the break room (or their cubicle >.>) at work — but they can post.

Mods, please move this thread to the trash can along with 99.9% of the suggestion threads.

Drox.4562:

People already hate that you have to grind for it as it is, making per character would just throw people over the edge. lol

People who find game grindy,are toxic elitists and nothing else.Arena Net did NOT said you MUST have everything unlocked within 10 days.

If someone find new content grindy,its because they love to rush trough game so they can brag about it.There’s absolutely 0 reason to unlock everything in 24 hours.Because of those World First elitists,forums are flooded with topics give us new content,you gave us something we completed in 2 days…and so on.

I don’t know what happened to the GW2.Once it was everything about fun,these days its all about rushing,and getting that last 10 achievement points so i can make video on youtube about it,and to touch myself reading comments ’ gz bro,you best,omg you this you that’