You must be new to MMO’s…if you are not you have no idea what you are talking about
No, I’m not new to MMO and because of that I exactly know what I’m talking about. No matter which MMORPG you play there are always people that just claim something but don’t bother providing proof. They always seem to think that just cause they play the game a certain way everybody else does so too.
Farming may have been and integral component of each WoW clone, but that doesn’t mean that the majority of players actually likes the concept of farming.
Ok, ok….lets see your numbers? Prove me wrong big guy. But just going by this thread and others that have popped up, I think it’s safe to say there are more than a few angry farmers
There are tons of angry farms. I’ve seen at least a dozen people posting that their farming is ruined. Many of those same people post in every single farming thread. I’ve seen just as many people saying that the game isn’t ruined and that farming is not what this game is about. So saying a dozen people are ticked off and posting all over the place is a far cry from most people.
The fact is, most people in this game probably just follow the meta events, and farm them. It’s clearly the way that Anet would want you to farm, being that they created an API which makes tracking events more accurate. And people do show up at these events.
Right now, there are people farming southsun. Why? Because there’s a 200% magic fine buff you can get for free that lasts 23 hours.
Anet doesn’t necessarily want people to farm Orr however. Orr is supposed to be a really tough end game zone and when people stay there running one route, it trivialized Orr completely.
New players get there and there’s just bedlam. You’re not a hero any more fighting through the hardest zone in the game. You’re a number trying to tag at target before it goes away so that you might get a drop from it.
If you think this is the way Anet wanted the game to go, I’m not sure what to say to you.
so like i said before, are you expecting the chest to give you stack of t6 instantly?
collecting t6 itself take months and if u prefer to do it slow way, dont ask me to follow you. now who said that farming isnt legit. if they dont want any farming to happen, why bother spawning monsters in non event area. most people will surely do what rewards them the most. its like you want us to less profit.
Why do you keep talking about most people, as if you know the mind of most people. Most people assume most people see things the way they do. Most people are wrong in that.
The overwhelming majority of players in an MMO is casual. This is true in most MMOs with the exception of some sandbox games like Eve.
Those who log in casually don’t farm because they have much less play time. Farming itself is a hard core activity if you call yourself a farmer.
Most casual players have no idea where to farm, where the profit is, or what you can get when you get that profit. They log in, they kill some stuff, they get a bit of world complete done and they’re happy. They see dynamic events that they’e never seen before, maybe do a jumping puzzle or a dungeon if they like that sort of thing.
Saying that most people do something in the absence of evidence to the contrary is just making stuff up. If you don’t believe what I’m saying, read some interviews with devs or look at some of the panels from game developer conferences and what that talk about.
You must be new to MMO’s…if you are not you have no idea what you are talking about
No, I’m not new to MMO and because of that I exactly know what I’m talking about. No matter which MMORPG you play there are always people that just claim something but don’t bother providing proof. They always seem to think that just cause they play the game a certain way everybody else does so too.
Farming may have been and integral component of each WoW clone, but that doesn’t mean that the majority of players actually likes the concept of farming.
Ok, ok….lets see your numbers? Prove me wrong big guy. But just going by this thread and others that have popped up, I think it’s safe to say there are more than a few angry farmers
There are tons of angry farms. I’ve seen at least a dozen people posting that their farming is ruined. Many of those same people post in every single farming thread. I’ve seen just as many people saying that the game isn’t ruined and that farming is not what this game is about. So saying a dozen people are ticked off and posting all over the place is a far cry from most people.
The fact is, most people in this game probably just follow the meta events, and farm them. It’s clearly the way that Anet would want you to farm, being that they created an API which makes tracking events more accurate. And people do show up at these events.
Right now, there are people farming southsun. Why? Because there’s a 200% magic fine buff you can get for free that lasts 23 hours.
Anet doesn’t necessarily want people to farm Orr however. Orr is supposed to be a really tough end game zone and when people stay there running one route, it trivialized Orr completely.
New players get there and there’s just bedlam. You’re not a hero any more fighting through the hardest zone in the game. You’re a number trying to tag at target before it goes away so that you might get a drop from it.
If you think this is the way Anet wanted the game to go, I’m not sure what to say to you.
so like i said before, are you expecting the chest to give you stack of t6 instantly?
collecting t6 itself take months and if u prefer to do it slow way, dont ask me to follow you. now who said that farming isnt legit. if they dont want any farming to happen, why bother spawning monsters in non event area. most people will surely do what rewards them the most. its like you want us to less profit.
Why do you keep talking about most people, as if you know the mind of most people. Most people assume most people see things the way they do. Most people are wrong in that.
The overwhelming majority of players in an MMO is casual. This is true in most MMOs with the exception of some sandbox games like Eve.
Those who log in casually don’t farm because they have much less play time. Farming itself is a hard core activity if you call yourself a farmer.
Most casual players have no idea where to farm, where the profit is, or what you can get when you get that profit. They log in, they kill some stuff, they get a bit of world complete done and they’re happy. They see dynamic events that they’e never seen before, maybe do a jumping puzzle or a dungeon if they like that sort of thing.
Saying that most people do something in the absence of evidence to the contrary is just making stuff up. If you don’t believe what I’m saying, read some interviews with devs or look at some of the panels from game developer conferences and what that talk about.
Yes but doing events repeatedly everyday can still be considered farming. they know that these events give them rare and so they see it as something that is beneficial to do. if they are aware that farming monsters can give them more profit, why bother waiting for events to start. we can just do it halfway and still get the reward.
Baseline= hardcore gamers = should get more reward.
what u’r saying is that casual gamers shud get more reward and its not fair for those who invested more time to play.
His bot could pvp poorly skilled people, do long quests, sell and buy items, change spot of farming if needed, recognize a lot of situations (Player engaging in conversation, gm approaching, gm watching invisible, etc) and either do a pre-programmed response or let him know remotely.
He once did not log a character with the game client until he was approaching end level.
No, your solution wouldn’t work. Bots nowadays are the closest thing we have to beating Turing’s test :P
As someone who knows a little bit about programming, I can confirm this botting method. Funny that anet will never find out about this kind of botters. Even if anet has GM in the game lol.
This useless bar doesn’t make you awesome. However, stuff above does.
You must be new to MMO’s…if you are not you have no idea what you are talking about
No, I’m not new to MMO and because of that I exactly know what I’m talking about. No matter which MMORPG you play there are always people that just claim something but don’t bother providing proof. They always seem to think that just cause they play the game a certain way everybody else does so too.
Farming may have been and integral component of each WoW clone, but that doesn’t mean that the majority of players actually likes the concept of farming.
Ok, ok….lets see your numbers? Prove me wrong big guy. But just going by this thread and others that have popped up, I think it’s safe to say there are more than a few angry farmers
There are tons of angry farms. I’ve seen at least a dozen people posting that their farming is ruined. Many of those same people post in every single farming thread. I’ve seen just as many people saying that the game isn’t ruined and that farming is not what this game is about. So saying a dozen people are ticked off and posting all over the place is a far cry from most people.
The fact is, most people in this game probably just follow the meta events, and farm them. It’s clearly the way that Anet would want you to farm, being that they created an API which makes tracking events more accurate. And people do show up at these events.
Right now, there are people farming southsun. Why? Because there’s a 200% magic fine buff you can get for free that lasts 23 hours.
Anet doesn’t necessarily want people to farm Orr however. Orr is supposed to be a really tough end game zone and when people stay there running one route, it trivialized Orr completely.
New players get there and there’s just bedlam. You’re not a hero any more fighting through the hardest zone in the game. You’re a number trying to tag at target before it goes away so that you might get a drop from it.
If you think this is the way Anet wanted the game to go, I’m not sure what to say to you.
So your answer is to play only as Anet wants you to play…interesting, this coming from someone who claims to have freedom in his play.
I know you have a REALLY hard time accepting this…but some people really do enjoy farming. And it doesn’t matter if Anet accepts it or not but a significant portion of their community are farmers, if they keep alienating them they will lose them and that can only hurt the game.
Your view on Orr seems really disconnected, why shouldn’t one be a hero farming Orr? Because we fight against champion chickens(lol) that will one shot you without any warnings? The chap risen wrath that can leach your hp in about 4s flat? Fight off a hoard of vet hatchlings? No my friend…we are heros.
And I highly doubt Anet wanted to make a zone so hard that all would be scared to venture into it…that would be bad game mechanics…the hard end game part are the temples…try arguing with me on that if you want…but Orr absolutely not “trivialized” because of farming.
I know you have a REALLY hard time accepting this…but some people really do enjoy farming. And it doesn’t matter if Anet accepts it or not but a significant portion of their community are farmers, if they keep alienating them they will lose them and that can only hurt the game.
where is that “significant portion” coming from?
I kind of feel like Anet should get a survey out into the game launcher of “do you enjoy farming?” or something like that, because the forum population (us all, me included) are the minority and I don’t think that we can speak for over 3 million people here.
You must be new to MMO’s…if you are not you have no idea what you are talking about
No, I’m not new to MMO and because of that I exactly know what I’m talking about. No matter which MMORPG you play there are always people that just claim something but don’t bother providing proof. They always seem to think that just cause they play the game a certain way everybody else does so too.
Farming may have been and integral component of each WoW clone, but that doesn’t mean that the majority of players actually likes the concept of farming.
Ok, ok….lets see your numbers? Prove me wrong big guy. But just going by this thread and others that have popped up, I think it’s safe to say there are more than a few angry farmers
There are tons of angry farms. I’ve seen at least a dozen people posting that their farming is ruined. Many of those same people post in every single farming thread. I’ve seen just as many people saying that the game isn’t ruined and that farming is not what this game is about. So saying a dozen people are ticked off and posting all over the place is a far cry from most people.
The fact is, most people in this game probably just follow the meta events, and farm them. It’s clearly the way that Anet would want you to farm, being that they created an API which makes tracking events more accurate. And people do show up at these events.
Right now, there are people farming southsun. Why? Because there’s a 200% magic fine buff you can get for free that lasts 23 hours.
Anet doesn’t necessarily want people to farm Orr however. Orr is supposed to be a really tough end game zone and when people stay there running one route, it trivialized Orr completely.
New players get there and there’s just bedlam. You’re not a hero any more fighting through the hardest zone in the game. You’re a number trying to tag at target before it goes away so that you might get a drop from it.
If you think this is the way Anet wanted the game to go, I’m not sure what to say to you.
so like i said before, are you expecting the chest to give you stack of t6 instantly?
collecting t6 itself take months and if u prefer to do it slow way, dont ask me to follow you. now who said that farming isnt legit. if they dont want any farming to happen, why bother spawning monsters in non event area. most people will surely do what rewards them the most. its like you want us to less profit.
Why do you keep talking about most people, as if you know the mind of most people. Most people assume most people see things the way they do. Most people are wrong in that.
The overwhelming majority of players in an MMO is casual. This is true in most MMOs with the exception of some sandbox games like Eve.
Those who log in casually don’t farm because they have much less play time. Farming itself is a hard core activity if you call yourself a farmer.
Most casual players have no idea where to farm, where the profit is, or what you can get when you get that profit. They log in, they kill some stuff, they get a bit of world complete done and they’re happy. They see dynamic events that they’e never seen before, maybe do a jumping puzzle or a dungeon if they like that sort of thing.
Saying that most people do something in the absence of evidence to the contrary is just making stuff up. If you don’t believe what I’m saying, read some interviews with devs or look at some of the panels from game developer conferences and what that talk about.
So…here you have it folks…only vayne can speak for the community…priceless
I know you have a REALLY hard time accepting this…but some people really do enjoy farming. And it doesn’t matter if Anet accepts it or not but a significant portion of their community are farmers, if they keep alienating them they will lose them and that can only hurt the game.
You must be new to MMO’s…if you are not you have no idea what you are talking about
No, I’m not new to MMO and because of that I exactly know what I’m talking about. No matter which MMORPG you play there are always people that just claim something but don’t bother providing proof. They always seem to think that just cause they play the game a certain way everybody else does so too.
Farming may have been and integral component of each WoW clone, but that doesn’t mean that the majority of players actually likes the concept of farming.
Ok, ok….lets see your numbers? Prove me wrong big guy. But just going by this thread and others that have popped up, I think it’s safe to say there are more than a few angry farmers
There are tons of angry farms. I’ve seen at least a dozen people posting that their farming is ruined. Many of those same people post in every single farming thread. I’ve seen just as many people saying that the game isn’t ruined and that farming is not what this game is about. So saying a dozen people are ticked off and posting all over the place is a far cry from most people.
The fact is, most people in this game probably just follow the meta events, and farm them. It’s clearly the way that Anet would want you to farm, being that they created an API which makes tracking events more accurate. And people do show up at these events.
Right now, there are people farming southsun. Why? Because there’s a 200% magic fine buff you can get for free that lasts 23 hours.
Anet doesn’t necessarily want people to farm Orr however. Orr is supposed to be a really tough end game zone and when people stay there running one route, it trivialized Orr completely.
New players get there and there’s just bedlam. You’re not a hero any more fighting through the hardest zone in the game. You’re a number trying to tag at target before it goes away so that you might get a drop from it.
If you think this is the way Anet wanted the game to go, I’m not sure what to say to you.
so like i said before, are you expecting the chest to give you stack of t6 instantly?
collecting t6 itself take months and if u prefer to do it slow way, dont ask me to follow you. now who said that farming isnt legit. if they dont want any farming to happen, why bother spawning monsters in non event area. most people will surely do what rewards them the most. its like you want us to less profit.
Why do you keep talking about most people, as if you know the mind of most people. Most people assume most people see things the way they do. Most people are wrong in that.
The overwhelming majority of players in an MMO is casual. This is true in most MMOs with the exception of some sandbox games like Eve.
Those who log in casually don’t farm because they have much less play time. Farming itself is a hard core activity if you call yourself a farmer.
Most casual players have no idea where to farm, where the profit is, or what you can get when you get that profit. They log in, they kill some stuff, they get a bit of world complete done and they’re happy. They see dynamic events that they’e never seen before, maybe do a jumping puzzle or a dungeon if they like that sort of thing.
Saying that most people do something in the absence of evidence to the contrary is just making stuff up. If you don’t believe what I’m saying, read some interviews with devs or look at some of the panels from game developer conferences and what that talk about.
You realize you contradicted yourself in this post like four or five times?
You must be new to MMO’s…if you are not you have no idea what you are talking about
No, I’m not new to MMO and because of that I exactly know what I’m talking about. No matter which MMORPG you play there are always people that just claim something but don’t bother providing proof. They always seem to think that just cause they play the game a certain way everybody else does so too.
Farming may have been and integral component of each WoW clone, but that doesn’t mean that the majority of players actually likes the concept of farming.
Ok, ok….lets see your numbers? Prove me wrong big guy. But just going by this thread and others that have popped up, I think it’s safe to say there are more than a few angry farmers
There are tons of angry farms. I’ve seen at least a dozen people posting that their farming is ruined. Many of those same people post in every single farming thread. I’ve seen just as many people saying that the game isn’t ruined and that farming is not what this game is about. So saying a dozen people are ticked off and posting all over the place is a far cry from most people.
The fact is, most people in this game probably just follow the meta events, and farm them. It’s clearly the way that Anet would want you to farm, being that they created an API which makes tracking events more accurate. And people do show up at these events.
Right now, there are people farming southsun. Why? Because there’s a 200% magic fine buff you can get for free that lasts 23 hours.
Anet doesn’t necessarily want people to farm Orr however. Orr is supposed to be a really tough end game zone and when people stay there running one route, it trivialized Orr completely.
New players get there and there’s just bedlam. You’re not a hero any more fighting through the hardest zone in the game. You’re a number trying to tag at target before it goes away so that you might get a drop from it.
If you think this is the way Anet wanted the game to go, I’m not sure what to say to you.
so like i said before, are you expecting the chest to give you stack of t6 instantly?
collecting t6 itself take months and if u prefer to do it slow way, dont ask me to follow you. now who said that farming isnt legit. if they dont want any farming to happen, why bother spawning monsters in non event area. most people will surely do what rewards them the most. its like you want us to less profit.
Why do you keep talking about most people, as if you know the mind of most people. Most people assume most people see things the way they do. Most people are wrong in that.
The overwhelming majority of players in an MMO is casual. This is true in most MMOs with the exception of some sandbox games like Eve.
Those who log in casually don’t farm because they have much less play time. Farming itself is a hard core activity if you call yourself a farmer.
Most casual players have no idea where to farm, where the profit is, or what you can get when you get that profit. They log in, they kill some stuff, they get a bit of world complete done and they’re happy. They see dynamic events that they’e never seen before, maybe do a jumping puzzle or a dungeon if they like that sort of thing.
Saying that most people do something in the absence of evidence to the contrary is just making stuff up. If you don’t believe what I’m saying, read some interviews with devs or look at some of the panels from game developer conferences and what that talk about.
Yes but doing events repeatedly everyday can still be considered farming. they know that these events give them rare and so they see it as something that is beneficial to do. if they are aware that farming monsters can give them more profit, why bother waiting for events to start. we can just do it halfway and still get the reward.
Baseline= hardcore gamers = should get more reward.
what u’r saying is that casual gamers shud get more reward and its not fair for those who invested more time to play.
Actually, I’m thinking that most people don’t even do the events regularly. But if you divide most people who are all over the place, you don’t see them. Most people probably do casual events, rather than follow the events all over the place. Because many people still don’t know that event timers even exist. Maybe even most people.
Sadly, there is an allowed farm that’s safe from bots.. but everyone complains about it.
COF P1.
Why do you think ANet hasn’t nerfed it? It’s for this exact reason.. so that there is a way to grind that bots can’t do. Personally, I would just rather make money slowly off leveling and dragon chests because I’m sick to death of COF P1.
The sad reality is, the answer to this problem is to institute more 5 player farming instances like the one everyone thinks should be removed. No one is going to invite bots into a dungeon party, everyone hates it but it’s the best and maybe only real solution.
Sad but true.
There are 10 types of people in this world. Those that understand Binary, and those who don’t.
As someone who actually slaughtered a few real pigs and sheep in his life, I’d rather keep farming out of the game. It would make the game 18+. Real pigs, real blood.
If I can’t play Guild Wars 2 at work, I won’t work in Guild Wars 2 either.
Delayed content is eventually good. Rushed content is eternally bad. ~ Shigeru Miyamoto
For a moment, I thought this thread was going to be a request for player housing… lol
But back on topic, I like the system that guild wars has right now. Even with the botting, I think that the price on most things is fair. I honestly wouldn’t have it any other way. Just my 2 cents.
So let me get this straight then. They are going to restrict the game play of the majority of the people by restricting drops, nerfing farming areas, plus the DR in order to keep the minority, the bots at bay? This sounds counter-intuitive to how it should be. Unless of course the bots are the majority then it all makes sense.
Yes you’re right, and that is why slowly the game is declining, many no longer want to fight tooth and nail to get mats to make anything and are moving on, so Anets nerf everything isn’t working and never has.. bots or not.
What I find amusing is that everyone just goes along with the idea that there should even be a need to farm, instead of mechanics being implemented to naturally have players acquire what they need through normal game play.
People farm because Anet wants people to farm. Keeps people in game.
HUH! Are you serious? Just the opposite is true.
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Mud Bone – Sylvari Ranger
Sadly, there is an allowed farm that’s safe from bots.. but everyone complains about it.
COF P1.
Why do you think ANet hasn’t nerfed it? It’s for this exact reason.. so that there is a way to grind that bots can’t do. Personally, I would just rather make money slowly off leveling and dragon chests because I’m sick to death of COF P1.
The sad reality is, the answer to this problem is to institute more 5 player farming instances like the one everyone thinks should be removed. No one is going to invite bots into a dungeon party, everyone hates it but it’s the best and maybe only real solution.
Sad but true.
Are you serious, what do you think half of those hardcore 4 warriors 1 mesmer are dedicated players ….. no many are hardcore bots running CoF pt 1 that do it 24/7 undeterred…
And bots add bots to dungeon parties, when i say bots i mean dedicated gold farmers making money for their sellers every day as a job. If you make money at Cof pt1 what would make you think gold farmers wouldn’t make 10x what players make there..
What I find amusing is that everyone just goes along with the idea that there should even be a need to farm, instead of mechanics being implemented to naturally have players acquire what they need through normal game play.
People farm because Anet wants people to farm. Keeps people in game.
HUH! Are you serious? Just the opposite is true.
Really? What would you like to put forth to support your statement? There have been no statements from anet that say they are against normal farming (quite the opposite), there are mechanics in game that support the idea of farming, there is a complete stat for armor that supports farming. The only thing negative instituted in game is DR and from the statements directly from anet devs it’s in there to directly fight bots, not normal farmers.
Are you serious, what do you think half of those hardcore 4 warriors 1 mesmer are dedicated players ….. no many are hardcore bots running CoF pt 1 that do it 24/7 undeterred…
And bots add bots to dungeon parties, when i say bots i mean dedicated gold farmers making money for their sellers every day as a job. If you make money at Cof pt1 what would make you think gold farmers wouldn’t make 10x what players make there..
I wonder what do those bots do when the place becomes contested lol.
DR is only relevant after 2-3 hours of play. Most people don’t play the same content for 2 hours at a time. Most people are not affected by DR, except by the fact that the economy doesn’t inflate needlessly by other people’s actions.
If I can’t play Guild Wars 2 at work, I won’t work in Guild Wars 2 either.
Delayed content is eventually good. Rushed content is eternally bad. ~ Shigeru Miyamoto
What I find amusing is that everyone just goes along with the idea that there should even be a need to farm, instead of mechanics being implemented to naturally have players acquire what they need through normal game play.
People farm because Anet wants people to farm. Keeps people in game.
HUH! Are you serious? Just the opposite is true.
Do you really think Anet added all the shinny skins that require a massive amounts of grinding in game simply as a “luxury” item? I personally don’t think so…u believe they understand human nature well enough to know that we are going to want the best the game has to offer…be it stats or a shinny skin…
I really hope ANET does consider more farms. Their vision in the manifesto was something to appeal to everyone, but right now they’re not really appealing much to hardcore group and solo farmers.
What I find amusing is that everyone just goes along with the idea that there should even be a need to farm, instead of mechanics being implemented to naturally have players acquire what they need through normal game play.
People farm because Anet wants people to farm. Keeps people in game.
HUH! Are you serious? Just the opposite is true.
Really? What would you like to put forth to support your statement? There have been no statements from anet that say they are against normal farming (quite the opposite), there are mechanics in game that support the idea of farming, there is a complete stat for armor that supports farming. The only thing negative instituted in game is DR and from the statements directly from anet devs it’s in there to directly fight bots, not normal farmers.
What I find amusing is that everyone just goes along with the idea that there should even be a need to farm, instead of mechanics being implemented to naturally have players acquire what they need through normal game play.
People farm because Anet wants people to farm. Keeps people in game.
HUH! Are you serious? Just the opposite is true.
Really? What would you like to put forth to support your statement? There have been no statements from anet that say they are against normal farming (quite the opposite), there are mechanics in game that support the idea of farming, there is a complete stat for armor that supports farming. The only thing negative instituted in game is DR and from the statements directly from anet devs it’s in there to directly fight bots, not normal farmers.
I really hope ANET does consider more farms. Their vision in the manifesto was something to appeal to everyone, but right now they’re not really appealing much to hardcore group and solo farmers.
Removing farming really does cater to everyone. You think you want farming, but you really want no farming. Some people claim they really like working in a bottle factory, but in reality that’s not true. They like the income, not the job.
I’d much rather be paid for doing what I’d do anyways all day long, and that’s what I’d like in videogames too. In real life that’s not always possible, but please, don’t let videogames devolve into factory simulators.
If I can’t play Guild Wars 2 at work, I won’t work in Guild Wars 2 either.
Delayed content is eventually good. Rushed content is eternally bad. ~ Shigeru Miyamoto
What I find amusing is that everyone just goes along with the idea that there should even be a need to farm, instead of mechanics being implemented to naturally have players acquire what they need through normal game play.
People farm because Anet wants people to farm. Keeps people in game.
HUH! Are you serious? Just the opposite is true.
Really? What would you like to put forth to support your statement? There have been no statements from anet that say they are against normal farming (quite the opposite), there are mechanics in game that support the idea of farming, there is a complete stat for armor that supports farming. The only thing negative instituted in game is DR and from the statements directly from anet devs it’s in there to directly fight bots, not normal farmers.
So if it isn’t because of bots, WHY haven’t they nerfed CoF path 1 yet?
Bet you didn’t even read every line of the two links I provided but only skimmed through IF THAT. As I have come to the conclusion from reading EVERY post/reply by you, you are nothing more than an NCsoft fanboy and trying to get you to see the real picture is a waste of time.
Blackgate Megaserver – [LaZy] Imperium of LaZy Nation
Mud Bone – Sylvari Ranger
What I find amusing is that everyone just goes along with the idea that there should even be a need to farm, instead of mechanics being implemented to naturally have players acquire what they need through normal game play.
People farm because Anet wants people to farm. Keeps people in game.
HUH! Are you serious? Just the opposite is true.
Really? What would you like to put forth to support your statement? There have been no statements from anet that say they are against normal farming (quite the opposite), there are mechanics in game that support the idea of farming, there is a complete stat for armor that supports farming. The only thing negative instituted in game is DR and from the statements directly from anet devs it’s in there to directly fight bots, not normal farmers.
I haven’t heard of a single farming spot being closed. I have seen and heard them fix bugs that people were using to farm unlimited spawns. There is nothing to support anyone saying they are getting zero drops. I’m sure they get plenty of drops, just not exactly what they want.
Thanks for your two links to Guild Wars 1, which have absolutely nothing to do with this game. Plus I looked at both of those a while back during another topic. If you follow the link sources to where the developers actually comment, they blatantly say they have nothing against farmers, and they want people to be able to farm.
Edit: Farming is not standing in one place with a macro, as far as I’m concerned that needs to be removed from the game.
What I find amusing is that everyone just goes along with the idea that there should even be a need to farm, instead of mechanics being implemented to naturally have players acquire what they need through normal game play.
People farm because Anet wants people to farm. Keeps people in game.
HUH! Are you serious? Just the opposite is true.
Really? What would you like to put forth to support your statement? There have been no statements from anet that say they are against normal farming (quite the opposite), there are mechanics in game that support the idea of farming, there is a complete stat for armor that supports farming. The only thing negative instituted in game is DR and from the statements directly from anet devs it’s in there to directly fight bots, not normal farmers.
So if it isn’t because of bots, WHY haven’t they nerfed CoF path 1 yet?
Bet you didn’t even read every line of the two links I provided but only skimmed through IF THAT. As I have come to the conclusion from reading EVERY post/reply by you, you are nothing more than an NCsoft fanboy and trying to get you to see the real picture is a waste of time.
Those two links aren’t even from this game. perhaps you should have read them instead?
What I find amusing is that everyone just goes along with the idea that there should even be a need to farm, instead of mechanics being implemented to naturally have players acquire what they need through normal game play.
People farm because Anet wants people to farm. Keeps people in game.
HUH! Are you serious? Just the opposite is true.
Really? What would you like to put forth to support your statement? There have been no statements from anet that say they are against normal farming (quite the opposite), there are mechanics in game that support the idea of farming, there is a complete stat for armor that supports farming. The only thing negative instituted in game is DR and from the statements directly from anet devs it’s in there to directly fight bots, not normal farmers.
So if it isn’t because of bots, WHY haven’t they nerfed CoF path 1 yet?
Bet you didn’t even read every line of the two links I provided but only skimmed through IF THAT. As I have come to the conclusion from reading EVERY post/reply by you, you are nothing more than an NCsoft fanboy and trying to get you to see the real picture is a waste of time.
Actually I’ve quoted those links in other threads, so I didn’t really have to read them. But it’s a legit question. CoF farming makes more money than just about anything else, it’s easy and it hasn’t been nerfed. And that seems odd to me.
I’ve probably forgotten more about Guild Wars 1 than you’ll ever know.
What I find amusing is that everyone just goes along with the idea that there should even be a need to farm, instead of mechanics being implemented to naturally have players acquire what they need through normal game play.
People farm because Anet wants people to farm. Keeps people in game.
HUH! Are you serious? Just the opposite is true.
Really? What would you like to put forth to support your statement? There have been no statements from anet that say they are against normal farming (quite the opposite), there are mechanics in game that support the idea of farming, there is a complete stat for armor that supports farming. The only thing negative instituted in game is DR and from the statements directly from anet devs it’s in there to directly fight bots, not normal farmers.
I haven’t heard of a single farming spot being closed. I have seen and heard them fix bugs that people were using to farm unlimited spawns. There is nothing to support anyone saying they are getting zero drops. I’m sure they get plenty of drops, just not exactly what they want.
Thanks for your two links to Guild Wars 1, which have absolutely nothing to do with this game. Plus I looked at both of those a while back during another topic. If you follow the link sources to where the developers actually comment, they blatantly say they have nothing against farmers, and they want people to be able to farm.
Edit: Farming is not standing in one place with a macro, as far as I’m concerned that needs to be removed from the game.
No farming spots were closed only nerfed in the way of drops have been dialed way back or cut off, have you checked out the Pent/Shelter area in the past 2-3 weeks as compared to lets say 2 months ago? If so you can’t miss the FACT that known mobs that used to drop loot no longer do.
The two links are indeed from GW and if done there(albeit minamally there) it has very evidently been carried over to GW2 with a vengeance and I blame that part on NCsoft not ANET. There was a statement made by ANET that farming was to be discouraged.
I agree the standing in one place with actions using macros is just wrong, this I don’t do when farming, I am all over the world map in efforts to not be hit by the DR.
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What I find amusing is that everyone just goes along with the idea that there should even be a need to farm, instead of mechanics being implemented to naturally have players acquire what they need through normal game play.
People farm because Anet wants people to farm. Keeps people in game.
HUH! Are you serious? Just the opposite is true.
Really? What would you like to put forth to support your statement? There have been no statements from anet that say they are against normal farming (quite the opposite), there are mechanics in game that support the idea of farming, there is a complete stat for armor that supports farming. The only thing negative instituted in game is DR and from the statements directly from anet devs it’s in there to directly fight bots, not normal farmers.
So if it isn’t because of bots, WHY haven’t they nerfed CoF path 1 yet?
Bet you didn’t even read every line of the two links I provided but only skimmed through IF THAT. As I have come to the conclusion from reading EVERY post/reply by you, you are nothing more than an NCsoft fanboy and trying to get you to see the real picture is a waste of time.
Actually I’ve quoted those links in other threads, so I didn’t really have to read them. But it’s a legit question. CoF farming makes more money than just about anything else, it’s easy and it hasn’t been nerfed. And that seems odd to me.
I’ve probably forgotten more about Guild Wars 1 than you’ll ever know.
Oh really. Little doth thou know.
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What I find amusing is that everyone just goes along with the idea that there should even be a need to farm, instead of mechanics being implemented to naturally have players acquire what they need through normal game play.
People farm because Anet wants people to farm. Keeps people in game.
HUH! Are you serious? Just the opposite is true.
Really? What would you like to put forth to support your statement? There have been no statements from anet that say they are against normal farming (quite the opposite), there are mechanics in game that support the idea of farming, there is a complete stat for armor that supports farming. The only thing negative instituted in game is DR and from the statements directly from anet devs it’s in there to directly fight bots, not normal farmers.
I haven’t heard of a single farming spot being closed. I have seen and heard them fix bugs that people were using to farm unlimited spawns. There is nothing to support anyone saying they are getting zero drops. I’m sure they get plenty of drops, just not exactly what they want.
Thanks for your two links to Guild Wars 1, which have absolutely nothing to do with this game. Plus I looked at both of those a while back during another topic. If you follow the link sources to where the developers actually comment, they blatantly say they have nothing against farmers, and they want people to be able to farm.
Edit: Farming is not standing in one place with a macro, as far as I’m concerned that needs to be removed from the game.
No farming spots were closed only nerfed in the way of drops have been dialed way back or cut off, have you checked out the Pent/Shelter area in the past 2-3 weeks as compared to lets say 2 months ago? If so you can’t miss the FACT that known mobs that used to drop loot no longer do.
The two links are indeed from GW and if done there(albeit minamally there) it has very evidently been carried over to GW2 with a vengeance and I blame that part on NCsoft not ANET. There was a statement made by ANET that farming was to be discouraged.
I agree the standing in one place with actions using macros is just wrong, this I don’t do when farming, I am all over the world map in efforts to not be hit by the DR.
I have been, and occasionally still drop by pent/shelt. I seldom stay for longer than 30 minutes tops, usually on my way through to somewhere else. Not speaking for anyone else, I get the same stuff I always have. Bags, blues, greens, occasional rare, whites, and greys. For about a half hours farming I get about 20 or 30 bags, which is really all I’m after anyway.
The fact is, if farming actually ever gets nerfed, you will see it’s effects in game. Currently, T6 mat prices are still affordable, and have remained close to the same. That to me reflects that no real nerfs have hit farmers.
If the drop rates actually get nerfed, it will be more than farmers coming onto the forums to complain.
I don’t think botters care about armor or if their bots have anything on. They just need to tag mobs.
They don’t even do that anymore they switched to the one thing that Anet can’t modify like they did with loot, resource nodes. So they teleport from one node to the next so fast no one can report them while gathering, meanwhile Anet continues to harm the playerbase by strangling all open world loot until it turns purple in the face.
What I find amusing is that everyone just goes along with the idea that there should even be a need to farm, instead of mechanics being implemented to naturally have players acquire what they need through normal game play.
People farm because Anet wants people to farm. Keeps people in game.
HUH! Are you serious? Just the opposite is true.
Really? What would you like to put forth to support your statement? There have been no statements from anet that say they are against normal farming (quite the opposite), there are mechanics in game that support the idea of farming, there is a complete stat for armor that supports farming. The only thing negative instituted in game is DR and from the statements directly from anet devs it’s in there to directly fight bots, not normal farmers.
I haven’t heard of a single farming spot being closed. I have seen and heard them fix bugs that people were using to farm unlimited spawns. There is nothing to support anyone saying they are getting zero drops. I’m sure they get plenty of drops, just not exactly what they want.
Thanks for your two links to Guild Wars 1, which have absolutely nothing to do with this game. Plus I looked at both of those a while back during another topic. If you follow the link sources to where the developers actually comment, they blatantly say they have nothing against farmers, and they want people to be able to farm.
Edit: Farming is not standing in one place with a macro, as far as I’m concerned that needs to be removed from the game.
No farming spots were closed only nerfed in the way of drops have been dialed way back or cut off, have you checked out the Pent/Shelter area in the past 2-3 weeks as compared to lets say 2 months ago? If so you can’t miss the FACT that known mobs that used to drop loot no longer do.
The two links are indeed from GW and if done there(albeit minamally there) it has very evidently been carried over to GW2 with a vengeance and I blame that part on NCsoft not ANET. There was a statement made by ANET that farming was to be discouraged.
I agree the standing in one place with actions using macros is just wrong, this I don’t do when farming, I am all over the world map in efforts to not be hit by the DR.
I have been, and occasionally still drop by pent/shelt. I seldom stay for longer than 30 minutes tops, usually on my way through to somewhere else. Not speaking for anyone else, I get the same stuff I always have. Bags, blues, greens, occasional rare, whites, and greys. For about a half hours farming I get about 20 or 30 bags, which is really all I’m after anyway.
The fact is, if farming actually ever gets nerfed, you will see it’s effects in game. Currently, T6 mat prices are still affordable, and have remained close to the same. That to me reflects that no real nerfs have hit farmers.
If the drop rates actually get nerfed, it will be more than farmers coming onto the forums to complain.
Check out the spiders in tunnel between Pent/Shelt no drops anymore.
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I think there is a miss conception that farmers actually like to farm. It’s not the farming that they get enjoyment from it’s the T6 loot filling up their bags that give them enjoyment which you sadly don’t get enough of by just playing the game. I would play the game normally for hours on end and get 1 powerful blood, and couple Bones, 1 or 2 crystalline dust but I farmed at Lysa for 35 minutes and got 4-5 times that. I like getting paid, that’s why I go to work everyday, it gives me great satisfaction to increase the money in my bank account and I will always pick the highest paying job cause they are all the same to me. I’m the same way when it comes to games, they are all the same to me, I playing the ones that give me the biggest satisfaction and in the games I do the things that satisfy me the most which is creating wealth. If farming to the quickest way to that wealth than that is what I will be doing cause creating wealth is what ultimately gives me the greatest satisfaction.
Be careful what you wish for, Anet might just give it to you “HoT”
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according to herzberg’s theory, reward push people to do things, not motivate them.
People enjoy being rewarded, especially when they invest more time on it, they should get better rewards. i believe in this theory and if you want to be less rewarded when doing more works……. no comments
it’s not that i hate doing events, but it would be more beneficial for me if i can farm and do complete events too so maximize my profit.
Just out of interest .. has anyone ever run into DR while farming in Frostgorge Sound ? At least i never noticed that i got more or less drops on crafting materials even when farming there for over 6 hours.
EVERY MMO is awesome until it is released then its unfinished. A month after release it just sucks.
Best MMOs are the ones that never make it. Therefore Stargate Online wins.
Sadly, there is an allowed farm that’s safe from bots.. but everyone complains about it.
COF P1.
Why do you think ANet hasn’t nerfed it? It’s for this exact reason.. so that there is a way to grind that bots can’t do. Personally, I would just rather make money slowly off leveling and dragon chests because I’m sick to death of COF P1.
The sad reality is, the answer to this problem is to institute more 5 player farming instances like the one everyone thinks should be removed. No one is going to invite bots into a dungeon party, everyone hates it but it’s the best and maybe only real solution.
Sad but true.
The problem with this is the biggest reward from COF is pure coin, a couple rares, and maybe a molten core.
If everyone started doing it, it would simply cause inflation due to less mats being put on the market from people playing in open world, and everyone opting to buy them instead.
As for the farm areas, something I posted in another thread, I deleted some of it from the quote.
On the other hand, as a “farmer”, I do think we could use some better farm areas that will spread us out in the world.
- Add more reasonable places in mid level zones for us to farm cores for instance, and very slightly increase the drop rate on them.
- put an area in game where sparks, and other lodestone dropping elementals spawn more frequently, and aren’t so spaced out.(sparks) If you’re a farmer, I think you might know why I said this about sparks, lol
- provide a way for us to gain access to level 80 skritt, centaurs, inquest, and sons in open world. Perhaps after your server reaches a certain objective in WvW, for the next 4 hours or so, those mobs will spawn in select open world areas. This will also give open world PvE’rs somewhat of a reason to WvW.
etc
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What I find amusing is that everyone just goes along with the idea that there should even be a need to farm, instead of mechanics being implemented to naturally have players acquire what they need through normal game play.
People farm because Anet wants people to farm. Keeps people in game.
HUH! Are you serious? Just the opposite is true.
Because there are two definitions of farming going on here:
Farming as per Lyssa lamenters: Wiping mobs in one location with the highest return value for hours on end.
Farming as per Anet and I believe killcannon: Travelling from zone to zone, wiping mobs, doing events, and collecting nodes as you meander along. (And CoF p1, at least for now.)
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What I find amusing is that everyone just goes along with the idea that there should even be a need to farm, instead of mechanics being implemented to naturally have players acquire what they need through normal game play.
People farm because Anet wants people to farm. Keeps people in game.
HUH! Are you serious? Just the opposite is true.
Because there are two definitions of farming going on here:
Farming as per Lyssa lamenters: Wiping mobs in one location with the highest return value for hours on end.
Farming as per Anet and I believe killcannon: Travelling from zone to zone, wiping mobs, doing events, and collecting nodes as you meander along. (And CoF p1, at least for now.)
Pretty much. Although there are some instances where you need to stay in one place, farming for lodestones from elementals for example. If they would put some more elementals scattered about it would help a bit.
Are you serious, what do you think half of those hardcore 4 warriors 1 mesmer are dedicated players ….. no many are hardcore bots running CoF pt 1 that do it 24/7 undeterred…
And bots add bots to dungeon parties, when i say bots i mean dedicated gold farmers making money for their sellers every day as a job. If you make money at Cof pt1 what would make you think gold farmers wouldn’t make 10x what players make there..
I wonder what do those bots do when the place becomes contested lol.
They Guest to open Cof pt1 on other servers like players do..or open it themselves.
Also if there aren’t a significant amount of players that like loot farming, why are games like Diablo 1, 2 and 3, Borderlands 1 and 2, Torchlight 1 and 2 Titan Quest, Skyrim and a plethora of others so popular and they are VERY popular games..
Are you serious, what do you think half of those hardcore 4 warriors 1 mesmer are dedicated players ….. no many are hardcore bots running CoF pt 1 that do it 24/7 undeterred…
And bots add bots to dungeon parties, when i say bots i mean dedicated gold farmers making money for their sellers every day as a job. If you make money at Cof pt1 what would make you think gold farmers wouldn’t make 10x what players make there..
I wonder what do those bots do when the place becomes contested lol.
They Guest to open Cof pt1 on other servers like players do..or open it themselves.
Yes.
People still think bots are kittened.
They are by far the most advanced AI you fill find in this game. I remember Lineage 2 bots that could “engage in conversation”, do quests, and even pvp with as much detail as a predetermined response to any action with as many modifiers as you wanted to.
Why criticize someone for playing the way they want?
There is nothing wrong with them playing and getting the enjoyment out of the game in the form that they wish.
Go troll somewhere else.
I’m not saying anything about playing the way he wants, I was commenting on wanting the things he wants. Pretty big difference.
I happen to farm myself a lot as well…
I’ve been there, done that, ran the dungeons, do the WvW on a very regular basis but I love seeing the gold and mats in my bank increase. Wealth brings freedom, freedom to try out different builds on different alts without always struggling get all the stuff needed or waiting weeks to try out a new idea. Builds are 1 of the very few things left to explore and after all the time I put into this game I find it a drag to always be struggling for those mats.
Be careful what you wish for, Anet might just give it to you “HoT”
“…let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we shall die;.”
I like to farm. it makes me happy killing monsters and getting loots from them.
That’s reasonable. We all want phat loots from the things we have to take out.
However, most reasonable people can’t tolerate doing the same exact method in the same exact way in the same exact place for hours on end.
Unless you’re a bot… or a small minority of strange ducks who, being presented with countless more effificent and fun methods to make the progress and reward needed…
Choose instead a method of monotonous bot-like behavior.
If it’s between safeguarding their game from bots or upsetting a very small minority of Patrick dreamers, they’re going to protect their game. As they should.
Sorry, Patrick-gamer. You’ll just have to do something more exciting. Or else find another quarter.
I asked this in another thread and will ask it here too, for all the know it alls and others.
Why is it JUST CoF p1 that ANET allows to be farmed and not ALL dungeons/paths? Anyone have insight/thoughts on this?
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I asked this in another thread and will ask it here too, for all the know it alls and others.
Why is it JUST CoF p1 that ANET allows to be farmed and not ALL dungeons/paths? Anyone have insight/thoughts on this?
Cause they can’t just nerf the rewards in the dungeon like they do in open world. They are probably working on redesigning the instance like they did to other dungeons and that takes more work.
Be careful what you wish for, Anet might just give it to you “HoT”
“…let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we shall die;.”
Also if there aren’t a significant amount of players that like loot farming, why are games like Diablo 1, 2 and 3, Borderlands 1 and 2, Torchlight 1 and 2 Titan Quest, Skyrim and a plethora of others so popular and they are VERY popular games..
okay I played Borderlands , Diablo 1/2, Skyrim and both Torchlights and never had to farm anything. -_-
Diablo 1/2 and Torchlight 1/2 – you follow questlines, which give you enough exp and gear good enough to be able to continue going trough the questline
Skyrim has very little to do with loot. If I remember correctly most quests offer very little reward. Open world, lots of quests and encouraged exploration is what the game was advertised on.
Borderlands – can be fun with friends, but once again you’re following a quest after quest after quest, you don’t farm.
So yes, I’m a person that dislikes farming, but I like following stories, reading stories, gaining information about the world. I played all of those games and somehow failed to notice how do they lead you to farm.
I asked this in another thread and will ask it here too, for all the know it alls and others.
Why is it JUST CoF p1 that ANET allows to be farmed and not ALL dungeons/paths? Anyone have insight/thoughts on this?
Cause they can’t just nerf the rewards in the dungeon like they do in open world. They are probably working on redesigning the instance like they did to other dungeons and that takes more work.
This is right. CoF is probably going to get the AC treatment, maybe a bit harder since it’s a higher level dungeon.
Borderlands – can be fun with friends, but once again you’re following a quest after quest after quest, you don’t farm.
There was endgame farming using the General Knox armory exploit or simply just farming crawmerax (I think that was the name). Although it has to be said that players got a lot of phat loot throughout the game, a major difference to GW2 and most mmos.
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Also if there aren’t a significant amount of players that like loot farming, why are games like Diablo 1, 2 and 3, Borderlands 1 and 2, Torchlight 1 and 2 Titan Quest, Skyrim and a plethora of others so popular and they are VERY popular games..
okay I played Borderlands , Diablo 1/2, Skyrim and both Torchlights and never had to farm anything. -_-
Diablo 1/2 and Torchlight 1/2 – you follow questlines, which give you enough exp and gear good enough to be able to continue going trough the questline
Skyrim has very little to do with loot. If I remember correctly most quests offer very little reward. Open world, lots of quests and encouraged exploration is what the game was advertised on.
Borderlands – can be fun with friends, but once again you’re following a quest after quest after quest, you don’t farm.
So yes, I’m a person that dislikes farming, but I like following stories, reading stories, gaining information about the world. I played all of those games and somehow failed to notice how do they lead you to farm.
You don’t have to farm in those games cause they give you all the loot you need and tons of it. As for Skyrim, I looted every corpse left in my wake and sold it all to buy me some houses.
Be careful what you wish for, Anet might just give it to you “HoT”
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