Guild Wars 2

http://i.imgur.com/zhGsO.jpg

So that’s that.

My 5 point plan to make the system work properly

1. Make infinite achievements require +1% each time they complete.

Doesn’t sound like much but, through the magic of compound interest, my 1.4 million salvages would only achieve 425 levels of Entropy instead of the 14000 it currently does.

Level 1: 200 required
Level 2: 202 required
Level 100: 540 required
Level 425: 13728 required

2. Add infinite achievements to the majority of playstyles

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/suggestions/Achievements-should-be-expanded-on/first#post754937

Currently the infinite achievement unlocks are weirdly limited in scope. They should be added to all achievements, so that people who just want the unlocks can get the cap and stop, but people who specialise in particular areas get some kind of feedback as to what they’re doing.

Without the achievement I would of never known the ridiculous amount of items I’ve sacrificed to the God of Chaos and Entropy, and that brings a tear to my eye to think of all the half-robots that have no idea how many undead they’re killed to date.

C. Add achievement leaderboards

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/suggestions/Achievement-Leaderboards/first#post970117

With the newly added infinite achievements, you can now compare yourself to the rest of the gaming population. Those who think achievements are stupid are unaffected, and those that play in specific areas get to find kindred souls out there in the wilderness.

5. Add an achievement tracker

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/suggestions/Achievement-Tracking/first#post865805

Currently seeing how many badgers you’ve killed (or more appropriately how many types of creatures you have left for the daily) is cumbersome. Adding a checkbox next to achievements that displays a completion bar under the story progress panel (top right) would allow people to see how they’re going without scrolling through 4 different screens.

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FAQ: “You think you’re the best WvWer/PvPer/PvEer in the game? Ha. Look at your <insert symbol on screenshot here>”

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/15k-Achievement-Points/first#post891169

I screenshotted the character screen for a particular reason. I don’t think I’m a better player than anyone. I’m also not ashamed of my achievement points. I think it’s fun, and it gets far more attention than a legendary weapon.

But in terms of skill, calm down. Never implied I was better than anyone- only that I have more achievement points than anyone- which I do. That’s a fact bub.

“You’re a hacker/loser/exploiter/cheater, and achievement points are meaingless, lol, what a loser/nolife”

(Not playing the victim here, I’ve made two posts- one at 10k and one at 15k, and a fair number of people tried to tear out my throat.)

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/15k-Achievement-Points/first#post890992

Calm down. It’s a game, my achieving something in it doesn’t make your existence any less meaningful. Belittling it doesn’t make you better in comparison, it just makes you look jealous of something you really shouldn’t be jealous of.

“Wat?! That isn’t possible.”

Salvaging, nothing special.

“You must have spent so much on this”

Not really. Legendaries cost 5500g nowadays or something don’t they?

“You must be so rich”

Not really. I do have about 300k silk on the trading post though. Does anyone want to purchase enough silk to murder a small town?

“Why is the title In My Opinion:?”

The forum mods are a tad overspecific. Apparently I can’t just assume I’m the first to 20k achievement points, , and refuse to actually check. So unless I personally interview every person that has ever played I have to qualify the title.

You are a god in a sexy red suit.

But I do have one question, and it’s kind of an uninformed one.

What does Entropy refer to in this context?

Agent of Entropy is the achievement for salvaging items.
Entropy is the tendency for all matter and energy to degrade into an ideal inert state.

Outro.8136:

Entropy is the tendency for all matter and energy to degrade into an ideal inert state.

Noted, hence the asking for a contextual definition.

Nice, would’ve had just as much or more if they didn’t deduct my points at one of the patches.
Still unattended, so all I care about atm is just finishing up all the tiers instead of maximizing the total amount of points.

all i can say is grats. this is without bitterness and is pure.

WTF?! I only have 2k achievement points. I wish you’d get something special from all of that achievement really.. It’s a big feat regardless.

heh, i just made a post last night about my 5k, good to see im not the only one whos interested in having a high amount of achievement points. well 5k i thought was high guess its not so special lol. i personally stopped doing entropy when i stopped making a profit from it. if you have some secret i have yet to figure out feel free to share the info.

xROOx.7316:

heh, i just made a post last night about my 5k, good to see im not the only one whos interested in having a high amount of achievement points.

Grats man. 5k is more than all but 2 people that I’ve run across. Nothing to sneeze at.

As to the profit, since a few months ago the salvaging game has become increasingly cutthroat, so no- no tips. I doubt anyone could do much more than breakeven until a few more people drop out and demand peters down a bit.

Leo Paul.1659:

WTF?! I only have 2k achievement points. I wish you’d get something special from all of that achievement really.. It’s a big feat regardless.

I think getting rewarded for achievement points goes against the spirit of the system. The points are really just there for bragging rights, and for tracking personal progression.

There are plenty of avenues for getting rewards, most of them are completed at the same time as achievements. No need to double-dip.

Its very sad that the unlimited achievements havent been patched out after you posted your 10k thread earlier.

20k, achievement points isnt remotely possible if you were to have completed every achievement possible minus the infinity ones.

your 20k points exemplifies whats wrong with the system. How does someone look at your points and go wow, you really have accomplished alot ….when in fact you havent accomplished hardly anything. Then they look at the guy next to you with 7k points and he looks like nothing in comparrisson, yet he has dont the incredibly hard achievements like 5000 kills with a shield, Giant slayer, Dungeon Master, ect.

I said it in the last post and ill say it in this one. The “infinity” achievements allow someone to do nothing substantial (ie, you) and amass points not even remotely possible by normal means and belittles the true achiever point total.

While i dont hold what you do against you as it is something the devs have not seen to remove, i sure dont see any reason to congradulate you for macroing your way to 20K points by using HoM reward skins and breaking down items repeatedly.

Congratulations on getting 20k achievement points. Personally i find that way of doing points pretty shameless and a complete waste of time but if you’re getting off doing it who am i to argue?

Dont you wanna be able to spend those points at least? Maybe unlock some special skins if you get a certain amount of achievement or something?

Malvagite.3254:

macroing your way to 20K points by using HoM reward skins

I certainty didn’t do that, and I’d appreciate you not casually chucking around unfounded accusations of cheating.

Malvagite.3254:

20k, achievement points isnt remotely possible if you were to have completed every achievement possible minus the infinity ones.

Which is fixed by point 1 and 2 of my original post.

Malvagite.3254:

How does someone look at your points and go wow, you really have accomplished alot

I’ve spent over 1000g getting those points. I’ve salvaged 1.4 million items, spent a fair amount of time doing it. Essentially I’ve put in as much time, effort, money, and ingenuity that someone getting a Legendary weapon has. Yet for some reason you keep insisting, without reason, that somehow what I’ve done doesn’t qualify as an achievement.

Malvagite.3254:

belittles the true achiever point total

I think removing my points would do a wonderful job of belittling the achievement point system, something you’ve asked for in every thread I’ve posted.

I’ve entered in to the system and acted in good faith, that the infinite points were an intended feature of the system. To suggest that the points should just be blanket removed seems needlessly vindictive to me. Why not try and improve the system so that it truly represents all play styles instead of suggesting punishing people who you claim not to personally have anything against?

Leo Paul.1659:

Dont you wanna be able to spend those points at least? Maybe unlock some special skins if you get a certain amount of achievement or something?

Nah. Skins can be gotten through other methods. If you attach ingame rewards to achievements you’re just going to encourage destructive behavior.

Risingashes.8694:

I’ve entered in to the system and acted in good faith, that the infinite points were an intended feature of the system. To suggest that the points should just be blanket removed seems needlessly vindictive to me. Why not try and improve the system so that it truly represents all play styles instead of suggesting punishing people who you claim not to personally have anything against?

I have no desire to respond to most of your points because reading you defending your method of gaining points as legitimate sickens me quite honestly.

How can you genuinely equate breaking down a leather glove to killing Sinin in Arah path 4 for Dungeon Master?

That is one example. After around 3800-4000 points of >actual< achievements, you are left with the hard ones to boost your total up higher. But , not you, you just break down another glove.

Can you really not see how your 20k, points devalues the the hard achievements in the game that few people have accomplished?

High point totals mean something when people know that to get that high, you have to have done the hard stuff they have yet to do.

But in your case, you broke down another glove.

This is why infinite achievement point systems are pointless goals.

In every game I try to max out my achievement points except this one, considering any person with alot of gold can beat me without a hassle, there is no reason at all to try obtain an high amount of achievement points.

I hope they actually implent a system similar to this.

want a cookie?…………………

Risingashes.8694:

The points are really just there for bragging rights, and for tracking personal progression.

I remember when games required strategy and skill for these things.

achievements need to be looked at.

They seem kind of rushed, like something anet put in at the last moment.

There’s a lot of inconsistencies, especially with how they’re displayed. Some show you how many you need for the next tier, others leave you to guess.

And a lot of them are kind of ridiculous. Especially the WvW achievements.

And it would be nice if they stopped having it so that the next tier takes 10x the previous tier in a lot of cases. Like in the WvW achievements. You use up 1,000 supply for repairs and complete tier 2. For tier 3? You need to use 10,000.

Malvagite.3254:

How can you genuinely equate breaking down a leather glove to killing Sinin in Arah path 4 for Dungeon Master?

Personally I loved Dwayna/Simin, and never tried to equate the two. I’m very proud of my Dungeon Master title and have displayed it since I got it.

My entire post was devoted to highlighting the problems with the achievement system, and suggesting possible solutions that would be fair to everyone. But, yet again, you’ve tried to turn this in to an ‘us vs them’ battle where I’m apparently sitting atop a pile of gloves laughing at the rest of the players.

This couldn’t be further from the truth.

teaspoon.1357:

I remember when games required strategy and skill for these things.

Really? Tell us of this magical time- because I’ve been playing games for a fair while and all achievement points have ever been is a way to engender system loyalty by awarding points for nothing more than game completion.

Wasabi Kitty.8247:

And it would be nice if they stopped having it so that the next tier takes 10x the previous tier in a lot of cases. Like in the WvW achievements. You use up 1,000 supply for repairs and complete tier 2. For tier 3? You need to use 10,000.

I think this is one of the things they did right. Not the number, wvw achievements require way too much. But the progressively longer tiers give people guidance as to what is being tracked early on and then requires more effort to reach the max cap.

If all achievements were the same amount per tier then tiers would become useless. You’d be better off throwing tiers out completely and just having 1 bar.

Risingashes,

I took one look at your Achievement Point total and said to myself, “OMG this person has WAY to much time on their hands!”

Beyond that…congratulations on such a hefty point total. You’ve achieved something that I could not personally hope to achieve and you’ve spent an amount of time doing something I could not possibly hope to be SANE after doing it myself.

Go right on doing what you’ve been doing and know that at least from this fellow player, you have no arguments or complaints about your accomplishment.

Congratulations again and I look forward to seeing a screenshot when you reach 50k Achieve Points.

I took a look at your screenshot and went meh. Thinking, meh, the guy has only 3 level 80s. Haha and then I check the other side of the picture. Was genuinely shocked.

Congratz! I am an achievement kitten and I am honestly jealous. I bet everyone goes dumbfounded when they notice the achievement points eh.

Malvagite.3254:

yet he has dont the incredibly hard achievements like 5000 kills with a shield

How to get 5k kills with a shield in two easy steps:
1. Find a bunch of critters (such as the rats in Beetletun)
2. Hit them with your shield for a few days

That’s it, you’re done! Congratulations! You’ve now completed an incredibly hard achievement, and can proudly say that you’ve smashed 5000 rats with your shield!

Edit:
Less sarcasm now. These achievements are account bound. Just roll out a new human warrior and hit 4 every 25 seconds. If you’ve already got a level 70+ warrior, then walk over to Beetletun with the Shield Master trait on (Defense IX) and do it every 20 seconds instead.

Congratulations on achieving… nothing…
You have succesfully salvaged over a million things and essentially those points are… worthless → a guy with 4k achievements has, in my opinion, a higher value than the “fail” 20k ach points you have.

At first people go wow, but if they start to think all of us and even you know you didn’t accomplish anything

First off, congratulations, that is one heck of a pile of points. The time and money it took to do that is no small feat, and I tip my hat to you.

Risingashes.8694:

teaspoon.1357:

I remember when games required strategy and skill for these things.

Really? Tell us of this magical time- because I’ve been playing games for a fair while and all achievement points have ever been is a way to engender system loyalty by awarding points for nothing more than game completion.

I believe he’s referring to the time before achievements, when it was your accomplishments/gear or in-game knowledge that were items of distinction not some arbitrary counter of points.

Honestly, I’ve never understood achievement points, the achievement in itself is what deserves praise not the collection of a number to which the developer has decided is worth “this much”. What’s amazing is not the fact that you have 20k achievement points, but that you have salvaged 1.4 million items and have completed all dungeon paths.

grats to ur 20K achievement, but i rather spent my 1K gold on Legendary lol

You don’t think your the best player in the game, yet you want an achievement point leader-board…riiiiiiiiiiiight

Let’s see, so you exploited entropy enough to get 14000 achievement points, and now you want to nerf it so nobody else can? Right then… if you want to nerf it so bad hows about you take the 13500 point hit too?

I think this is the most pointless thing you can do on a game, I personally just play the game do whatever, achievement points are a bonus – it really shows how much I’ve accomplished, there are so much for me to still do etc.
But holy …. if you stand around salvaging items for hours straight wasted over 1k ? Tbh I’d never show my face on the forums, i’d be ashamed of myself.
In the end, at least atm, achievement points give you absolutely nothing, and I hope they’ll fix the entropy crap, or anything that you can repeat to get points, cuz it’s pathetic and it doesn’t really work as intended imo, if I see a 4-5k point player I’m like ‘Oh he’s been to places he’s done stuff, probably a dungeon master/master crafter overall active player.’
In your case it’s – he sat there for 400 hours and salvaged items, WHAT A GUY !
What have you accomplished so far ? imo absolutely nothing.

Who cares? >_>

Aren’t games for fun? What’s the point of getting 20 000 points? OP I think you should visit a therapist.

300k silk?

Enough to murder a whole town??

Don’t you mean “Mummify a whole town???”

(Seriously, very nice work on the salvage though.)

Kerithlan.1659:

Malvagite.3254:

yet he has dont the incredibly hard achievements like 5000 kills with a shield

How to get 5k kills with a shield in two easy steps:
1. Find a bunch of critters (such as the rats in Beetletun)
2. Hit them with your shield for a few days

That’s it, you’re done! Congratulations! You’ve now completed an incredibly hard achievement, and can proudly say that you’ve smashed 5000 rats with your shield!

Edit:
Less sarcasm now. These achievements are account bound. Just roll out a new human warrior and hit 4 every 25 seconds. If you’ve already got a level 70+ warrior, then walk over to Beetletun with the Shield Master trait on (Defense IX) and do it every 20 seconds instead.

We all understand the process.

Now lets see a screenshot of you with the achievement?

Thats right, probably less than 0.25% of the population has that achievement because its way more difficult to accomplish than you make it sound on paper…….from the sheer boredom of it and the recast timer and the fact only 3 classes can even use a shield and only 1 of the two shield skills even do damage) and it has to be a killing blow to register toward the achievement.

I dont know a single person with that achievement, so show me a screenshot of yours, you can be worlds first.

Xuro.5861:

This is why infinite achievement point systems are pointless goals.

In every game I try to max out my achievement points except this one, considering any person with alot of gold can beat me without a hassle, there is no reason at all to try obtain an high amount of achievement points.

I hope they actually implent a system similar to this.

I completely agree with this. In most games, achievements exist as a way to plan out the road to 100% game completion. Guild Wars 2 is an odd exception where you can gain infinite points through menial tasks. It cannot be argued that individual achievements in a system with infinite possible points are worthless.

If infinite achievements must exist, then they should be tied to actual gameplay elements such as dungeons, fractals, pvp, and jumping puzzles. Not salvaging scrap items.

Risingashes.8694:

teaspoon.1357:

I remember when games required strategy and skill for these things.

Really? Tell us of this magical time- because I’ve been playing games for a fair while and all achievement points have ever been is a way to engender system loyalty by awarding points for nothing more than game completion.

9Dragons. Achievements and titles were given for killing, bosses, completing dungeons, having the high score on certain quests, karma accumulation(aka, pvp kills) and, ofc, the small things. But the titles people really wanted to show-off(and I’m talking sacrificing stat points just to let others know you did smth), required some serious thinking. Hey, for as long as I played that game, I had the lowest lvl char with Conqueror of the North Sea on all servers(and I got it without a finisher which earned me a bonus cookie). In the topic about it even the people who hated my guts didn’t have the nerve to say “meh, it’s nothing”. Because it was something. Because I had achieved something really special. Something I could be proud of. In newer games achievements and titles are either a regular thing(jumping puzzles), a result of staying in your room for a few days without sleep(Tera’s Prime -insert class- for the first one to hit 60 of each class on the server) or a testament of your dedication(the kills with shield).

Ive been looking for ways to increase the amount of achievement points i get. Im also a Deer in sPvp, and i have 2 lvl 80s…. and im barely over 3.4 or 3.5k at the moment. Would be cool if i could get achievment points for all the destroyer weapons ive crafted… or the amount of times ive run CoE… or all the time ive spent camping the EB jump puzzle…

I personally think its really cool, and offer my congrats and respect. /inb4everyonecopiesyou

What is the purpose of this thread?
You want to massage your ego?
No other way to show 20k points besides posting about it?

Spent 1kg? with a return of at least 75% of it, don’t forget to mention that too. So basically practically spent merely 150~200g. Which is respectable, but nothing to write home about.

You pretend to write down all these questions as if someone ever wondered them.
But If this was ever a real feat, someone would’ve made a thread about you before you did, asking the very same.

This isn’t a troll post, please don’t infract this, just cringe inside reading threads like these.

Malvagite.3254:

your 20k points exemplifies whats wrong with the system. How does someone look at your points and go wow, you really have accomplished alot ….when in fact you havent accomplished hardly anything. Then they look at the guy next to you with 7k points and he looks like nothing in comparrisson, yet he has dont the incredibly hard achievements like 5000 kills with a shield, Giant slayer, Dungeon Master, ect.

While I wouldn’t belittle the OP here like that, I think the user above does kind of have a point. I don’t believe repetition should be rewarded. I would rather keep achievements like Dungeon Master, the one-time only achievements for doing unusual things, the map completition achievement, and so on, while completely removing the infinite achievements. All they do is foster mechanical content repetition.

Things like the Entropy achievement were funny while achievement points didn’t mean anything. Now that they will become almost a currency (even though at first only daily achievements will contribute to this), those infite achievements become more similar to a massive grind than to something people would be proud of achieving.

Malvagite.3254:

Kerithlan.1659:

Malvagite.3254:

yet he has dont the incredibly hard achievements like 5000 kills with a shield

How to get 5k kills with a shield in two easy steps:
1. Find a bunch of critters (such as the rats in Beetletun)
2. Hit them with your shield for a few days

That’s it, you’re done! Congratulations! You’ve now completed an incredibly hard achievement, and can proudly say that you’ve smashed 5000 rats with your shield!

Edit:
Less sarcasm now. These achievements are account bound. Just roll out a new human warrior and hit 4 every 25 seconds. If you’ve already got a level 70+ warrior, then walk over to Beetletun with the Shield Master trait on (Defense IX) and do it every 20 seconds instead.

We all understand the process.

Now lets see a screenshot of you with the achievement?

Thats right, probably less than 0.25% of the population has that achievement because its way more difficult to accomplish than you make it sound on paper…….from the sheer boredom of it and the recast timer and the fact only 3 classes can even use a shield and only 1 of the two shield skills even do damage) and it has to be a killing blow to register toward the achievement.

I dont know a single person with that achievement, so show me a screenshot of yours, you can be worlds first.

I don’t have it because I don’t care about meaningless grind achievements.

I killed 1000 critters — yay?

No one cares. Waiting around for 30 seconds isn’t difficult. It’s boring. No thanks.

Erasculio.2914:

Now that they will become almost a currency

ANet have already said that the infinite achievements are being deleted once the changeover happens.

Not only do I not get any ‘currency’ but I also lose the points.

I’m annoyed (I’m human), but this was something I always thought was inevitable. At least they’re finally expanding the achievements to be meaningful instead of the current 3 month stagnation that currently exists.

Overall this will be a positive change. Giving rewards for achievements is worrying, as it tends to encourage perverse player behavior- it would be great if they just stuck with meaningless recognition but expanded the system in terms of complexity and depth, but atleast the rewards seem to be cosmetic only.

Risingashes.8694:

the rewards seem to be cosmetic only.

I wouldn’t call obsidian shards or gear packs cosmetic.

Firegoth.6427:

Risingashes.8694:

the rewards seem to be cosmetic only.

I wouldn’t call obsidian shards or gear packs cosmetic.

Quite so. In fact….this actually looks to be the most efficient way to gain Obsidian Shards, in fact, if the screenshot is a true indication of in-game prices.

Firegoth.6427:

Risingashes.8694:

the rewards seem to be cosmetic only.

I wouldn’t call obsidian shards or gear packs cosmetic.

The post also mentioned that Ascended gear and Infusions will be purchasable with the tokens.

Firegoth.6427:

Risingashes.8694:

the rewards seem to be cosmetic only.

I wouldn’t call obsidian shards or gear packs cosmetic.

Well then I’m even more worried about the changes. Achievements, as a system, have always been so appealing to a certain type of gamer because of their ultimate meaninglessness. They’re a way to guide your behavior and enhance content rather than a forced grind in order to get +1 on your +2 sword of demon slaying.

Forcing people to do achievements just makes people despise achievements. No one wins.

Risingashes.8694:

Forcing people to do achievements just makes people despise achievements. No one wins.

Nobody is forcing you to do them. You can still get your shards with karma and with fractal relics. You can still buy gear from the TP or craft it yourself, or buy it with karma or WvW badges.

Auesis.7301:

Nobody is forcing you to do them.

Let’s get real here. Humans are fairly simple machines, if it’s the easiest path to something then it’s the only path that’s being travelled down.

Look at Fractals. It comes along and everyone deserts Orr so that it’s a (pun) ghosttown. That’s the result of giving a single shard per however-many fractal shards.

I love Fractals, the concept (always thought different difficulty levels would add longevity to dungeons) is great, but a lot of people just grind it while hating it.

Currently 100% of the people who pay attention to achievements love them. This is because there is no external motivation to do them other than achievements themselves and those that don’t care for achievements simply don’t participate.

With rewards, people who have no interest in the activity itself will be encouraged to partake, and suddenly the activity is filled with people who have a negative attitude and feel angry at the activity for forcing them to be there (see Fractals for shards/weapons, WvW for Legendaries, Orr for karma).

I actually agree with your point that you’ve spent a ridiculous amount of gold (=game-effort), time, and, well, ingenuity might be a strong word, but I’m with you on your deserved rewards.

Similarly, I agree with others (and you did, too, though many ignored that) that those who have spent similar amounts of time and effort should be rewarded similarly (eg people like myself who have killed a million or so undead).

But really, what all of that comes to is this: just make /age viewable in the same way that achievement points are currently. I mean, who’s to say that RPers shouldn’t earn recognition for a similar amount of time/effort in their specialty? (Anyone who says RPing isn’t as nuanced, skill-based, and difficult as dungeon-roaming hasn’t had to think on their toes in group RP.) Or someone who spends all their time doing thankless tasks in WvW (you don’t get achievements for serving as “eyes in bay”).

Wouldn’t /age, then, be the true measure you’re looking for? That would simply replace all infinite achievements, and achievements could be left all non-infinite. Although, I do like the idea of seeing how many undead I really have killed…

Is this the official Ego Booster thread ? If so…think im at the wrong door.

Good job! Want a cookie?

When I first read your 2 original posts, I couldn’t help thinking, “Oh, brother, just another attention-monger.” After reading all the posts in both threads, however, and observing your mature responses to all the negativity, I’ve changed my opinion. Congratulations on your achievement points. You’ve put effort into the game and have made some great points (Uh, the other kind) concerning said achievements. Though your points are impressive, your attitude is more so.

P.S. Sorry about the upcoming changes to the points with the update. Seems like they could leave your point total alone on the front page and simply award you currency based on the number you’ve earned sans the infinities.