Guild Wars 2

I’m a semi-casual player. After class and work, I try to fit in about 2 hours a day of play for this game. And I’ve ran of things to do.

In about 70 hours of actual game time, I have full sets of Exotic gear, all of my Exotic weapons for my Ele, and enough dungeon tokens, karma and money to afford the exact same for two more characters. And with three pieces of cultural armor and a whole host of rare dyes, I’ve made my character look the best I can imagine it looking.

I have all the gear I can ask. But what can I even do with this gear?
Dungeons? I’ve done all the dungeons besides Arah EXP at least once. Other than certain paths, all the others are boring and have zero replay value.
Farm tokens? Already have enough.

WvW? Good gear can keep you alive longer or let you do more damage, but how much does that really contribute to a battle? And how much does that battle contribute to the war? And how much does that war contribute to anything? So how much does your gear contribut to war? Hell, how much do YOU or I contribute to anything?

And how much fun is WvW? Whichever side has more people and whichever side has more people willing to buy siege items win. That applies to battles, and that applies to the war as a whole.
Zerging is no fun. Using siege equipment is no fun. WvW is no fun.
And yes, I have a large group to do WvW with. It doesn’t make much different.

sPvP? First of all, it’s wholly imbalanced. I come from a long PvP balance. I know imbalance when I see it. There are only
Second of all, the prizes are inconsequential. What do I need with a box with random cosmetic gear? I can get the same gear in PvE.

How about rolling another character? There isn’t much point to that. First of all, a character is only as good as the content you use it for.
Second of all, because of Anet trying to take out the holy trinity, all the characters can do essentially the same thing with varying effectiveness. So why roll a Thief when a Ranger can do many of the same things.

Damage, self heal and tanking. If your character can’t tank so well on its own, it has something that can tank in its place, be it pets, illusions, thieves, etc.
The only thing different is the playstyle. But again, I can only do the same content over and over for so long, regardless of what playstyle I use.
Only speaking of PvE in this case, btw.

And the new content in making a new character is essentially nonexistent. There is no excitement from getting new levels and new skills. You cap out at level 30. You get full weapon skills in a matter of minutes.

The story was nice the first time around, but there are no alternative routes.
It’s not like certain choices gives you alteration stories. All choices just give different missions. All the stories are the same path with tiny deviations.
You have zero control over the outcome of the story. For example, if you chose Vigil, there is no way to save Forgal. If you are human and chose the “lost sister” story, you find out that your sister is alive and saves her, then she is NEVER mentioned ever again.
So why play the story again?

This game just lacks content. There is no reason to have good gear since there is literally only two things it matters in. If these two things were incredibly fun and can carry the end game, fine. But they can’t.
There is no dueling. There is no open world PvP (though I don’t really want that). You do essentially the same thing in every dungeon and every PvE map. The three dragons are cool, but they are timed, making them incredibly easy.
And there is no GvG. How does Anet even justify calling it Guild Wars without GvG?

TL;DR
This game lacks end game content. You can do everything the game has to offer after about two weeks of play, and there isn’t even much to do.
Nothing distinguishes this game from any other MMORPGs other than its payment method.

But I guess it makes sense. If you bought WoW or whatever, you get the first month free, but have to pay to play more per month. In this game, you get the first month free too. Except you can’t pay for more months of gaming since you run out of kitten to do.
If everyone quits tomorrow, they would still have sold 2 million copies. That’s 120+ million dollars, with the collectors additions and stuff. That’s probably much more than the development and distribution costs of this game. So why wouldn’t they want a short game…

Sorry, I don’t believe for a minute you have full sets of exotics in only 70 hours of game play, let alone enough to gear two more characters with them.

70 Hours? sure you are not a missing a digit there?

If you have done as much as you claim in only 70 hours, then you likely flew by the content so fast that you didn’t take any time to enjoy it, in which case you caused your own problem by rushing to the end instead of enjoying the journey.

That sounds like a problem, but it isn’t with the game.

@Dynamite

You talk about ‘lack of content’, but all I see in your posts are comments about gear progression.

Perhaps you just aren’t interested in the other content. If so, farewell, and I hope you find a gear treadmill to your liking.

Semi-casual player, huh? In 70 hours you have all that in a couple of hours per day? Not buying that for a minute.

If he bought it all, it’s plausible. Depending on how much he spent with gems.

But aside from that, his points are still pretty valid. There’s definitely a wall you hit once you achieve the gear and stuff that you like. But I think that I’ll go back to my illustration that I like to use with this game.

Take Battlefield 3 or Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3. 60 bucks right? And it really takes about 20 hours (if even) of playtime until you unlock all the weapons you can use with their attachements. From that point on, you’re simply playing for enjoyment and fun, or maybe for a new skin in Call of Duty or for Assignments in BF3.

I look at Guild Wars 2 the exact same way. I paid 60 bucks for this game, and no, it doesn’t take long to get the gear/dyes that you want. But at that point, play whenever you feel like playing. If you’re bored of it and tired of WvW, walk away for a while. Go do something else. There’s no pressure to play this game 24/7 because of a subscription fee. And because there’s no subscription fee, it’s not ArenaNets job to shove gear treadmills and loads of new content down your throat that you HAVE to play. It was ArenaNet’s job to create a game that has hours of enjoyment for a cool $60, and I believe they achieved that.

I play BF3 when I get bored of GW2, usually at night before I head to sleep. When I get tired of playing BF3, I jump back into GW2 for a while. It’s a good system, and I haven’t gotten burned out on it yet. I have an 80 ranger that I quit because they killed rangers and then threw them under a bus for overkill. I have a 50 Elementalist that I quit because they did the same to them. I’m currently leveling a Guardian and I’m enjoying it. I feel no rush. I do whatever I like, when I like, and I’m comfortable knowing that ArenaNet doesn’t OWE me any incentive to keep me playing, if I want to keep playing, I will.

Do dungeons for a week. Assuming you play 2 or 3 hours a day, you can get in 4 or 5 runs per day. That’s 240 to 300 tokens a day. In a week, that’s 1680 to 2100 tokens a week. It costs, what, 1400 per set?
Yeah, you can easily get a set with only 14 hours of play. Why can’t I do it with 70.

I’m 70 hours in too and I’m still level 46.

I think it’s pretty clear you rushed through content and didn’t experience everything the game has to offer.

Hail the Mad King. You and I both know you will be, Dynamite.

That is all.

Methesda.5198:

@Dynamite

You talk about ‘lack of content’, but all I see in your posts are comments about gear progression.

Perhaps you just aren’t interested in the other content. If so, farewell, and I hope you find a gear treadmill to your liking.

sPvP is imbalanced, dungeons are grindy, repetitive and boring, and WvW is also boring. And that’s all the endgame content there is.
The gear progress thing was only the middle of my post.

4-5 runs of exploration mode in 2-3 hours.

Dynamite.6584:

Methesda.5198:

@Dynamite

You talk about ‘lack of content’, but all I see in your posts are comments about gear progression.

Perhaps you just aren’t interested in the other content. If so, farewell, and I hope you find a gear treadmill to your liking.

sPvP is imbalanced, dungeons are grindy, repetitive and boring, and WvW is also boring. And that’s all the endgame content there is.
The gear progress thing was only the middle of my post.

Opinion, opinion, opinion, opinion.

Sometimes you just have to concede that a game isn’t for you.

Woo, apparently, it’s against the forum rules to post my thoughts without the disclaimer “in my opinion”. Because, obviously, people can’t tell from reading the OP that its an opinion,

I’m not home at the moment, but if you guys want me to take a screenshot of my /age, I can do that when I get a chance.

Dynamite.6584:

Woo, apparently, it’s against the forum rules to post my thoughts without the disclaimer “in my opinion”. Because, obviously, people can’t tell from reading the OP that its an opinion,

I’m not home at the moment, but if you guys want me to take a screenshot of my /age, I can do that when I get a chance.

No, it’s when you start forming your posts to suggest your opinons are fact that get under my skin.

Mondy of War.8964:

Dynamite.6584:

Methesda.5198:

@Dynamite

You talk about ‘lack of content’, but all I see in your posts are comments about gear progression.

Perhaps you just aren’t interested in the other content. If so, farewell, and I hope you find a gear treadmill to your liking.

sPvP is imbalanced, dungeons are grindy, repetitive and boring, and WvW is also boring. And that’s all the endgame content there is.
The gear progress thing was only the middle of my post.

Opinion, opinion, opinion, opinion.

Sometimes you just have to concede that a game isn’t for you.

I think that was implied when I made this post. If you turn your brain off and just mindlessly PvE, then this game is going to last forever. In my opinion, it has gone stale and there is nothing to do.

I’m not passing this off as fact.

Dynamite.6584:

sPvP? First of all, it’s wholly imbalanced. I come from a long PvP balance. I know imbalance when I see it. There are only
Second of all, the prizes are inconsequential. What do I need with a box with random cosmetic gear? I can get the same gear in PvE.

Righto, so this is where you talk about sPVP in your post. The only bit, in a wall of text…

and… the first bit is unintelligible, and the second bit is about gear.

I stand by my first statement. I’m not insulting you… please don’t think that I’m calling you out. I’m saying that maybe the content you are desiring is not in this game. Perhaps this game is for different people than you, and what you want is a gear treadmill. That’s fine… hell, a whole nation of people game this way (so I hear). Just don’t cast aspersions on the quality of a game that isn’t a game that you like. It would be like a MMO reviewer being asked to review CoD.

Dynamite.6584:

Mondy of War.8964:

Dynamite.6584:

Methesda.5198:

@Dynamite

You talk about ‘lack of content’, but all I see in your posts are comments about gear progression.

Perhaps you just aren’t interested in the other content. If so, farewell, and I hope you find a gear treadmill to your liking.

sPvP is imbalanced, dungeons are grindy, repetitive and boring, and WvW is also boring. And that’s all the endgame content there is.
The gear progress thing was only the middle of my post.

Opinion, opinion, opinion, opinion.

Sometimes you just have to concede that a game isn’t for you.

I think that was implied when I made this post. If you turn your brain off and just mindlessly PvE, then this game is going to last forever. In my opinion, it has gone stale and there is nothing to do.

I’m not passing this off as fact.

That sounds like a shallow excuse to cop out of 100% map completion to me, which is a big problem with all the complaints I am reading about “longevity”.

Half the best content in the game is attained by exploring, and if you can’t be arsed to do that, then the game really isn’t intended for you and you should move on. Moral of the story is, you will struggle to find a person who will share the view that the launch build of Guild Wars 2 wasn’t worth 60 bucks.

Mondy of War.8964:

Opinion, opinion, opinion, opinion.

Sometimes you just have to concede that a game isn’t for you.

This.

OP seems too used to traditional MMO mechanics and can’t get them out of his head.
Perhaps when he gets older and tired of them, he will enjoy GW2.

Good luck and have fun.

Semi casual here.

I’m sure I played way mor than 70 hours and I have one set of full exotic. Working, slowly, on my legendary.

And havent done all explorer pathes so far.

Game has a lot to do, but more can’t hurt.
I’d love to see more conquest maps, more different types of areas and dungeons.
I’d LOVE to see some sort of raid as well, 10 people, in a instance that takes a good while and hard work to progress.

But if I turn around and tell people there isnt enough to do right now, I’d be lying.

I think you should take note of this OP…
70 hours to 80 with full exotic (if even possible) is not a good thing in GW2

Opinion, opinion, opinion, opinion.

Sometimes you just have to concede that a game isn’t for you.

sorry dynamite your among the minority here, your somebody who rushed to 80, didnt experiance really any of the content, then are upset that theres not more to do…..

please go play Aion or Linage2 or Tera or SW:TOR or Rift or or or…… find one you feel has good "End game’ that you can rush to without missing anything…

all this Q.Qing i see from people all upset that they rushed to 80 and dont have any “end game” gear treadmill really gets old…..why cant they just quit the game and walk away if they are that bord/dislike it that much…..

go buy a copy of WoW:MoP and enjoy the “end game” treadmill…….stop QQing to us that your bord.

I love this game, and see few faults that ANet isn’t actively working to fix. But of them, I would have to say this is the biggest problem, the game world just lacks content, especially content which makes one wish to play through the game multiple times.

I would love to see them add more content, but it just seems contrary to good business to add more content that nobody is paying for.

InsomShade.1453:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTF9T4oQ480

I think you should take note of this OP…
70 hours to 80 with full exotic (if even possible) is not a good thing in GW2

hehe, well i think if he did it, he probably bought alot of gems or alot of gold, i know its possible to hit 80 that fast, people did it during the headstart, but still……its a dumb thing to do…..and QQing about it on the forums is even more…..moronic.

Methesda.5198:

Dynamite.6584:

sPvP? First of all, it’s wholly imbalanced. I come from a long PvP balance. I know imbalance when I see it. There are only
Second of all, the prizes are inconsequential. What do I need with a box with random cosmetic gear? I can get the same gear in PvE.

Righto, so this is where you talk about sPVP in your post. The only bit, in a wall of text…

and… the first bit is unintelligible, and the second bit is about gear.

I stand by my first statement. I’m not insulting you… please don’t think that I’m calling you out. I’m saying that maybe the content you are desiring is not in this game. Perhaps this game is for different people than you, and what you want is a gear treadmill. That’s fine… hell, a whole nation of people game this way (so I hear). Just don’t cast aspersions on the quality of a game that isn’t a game that you like. It would be like a MMO reviewer being asked to review CoD.

I didn’t think I needed to elaborate on the sPvP part.

It is imbalanced because there are two classes that are stronger than all the other classes by far. Mesmers and Guardians.
And there is a class combination that completely dominates everything else pretty much without fail.

The second part is not about gear. The second part is about lacking the motive to be competitive.
PvP is about competition. There needs to be something to compete over. Why do I care if I win 1st place?

Yes, PvP can be fun if you take out competition. Take DotA for example. There are no prizes, yet it is fun. Why? Because its balanced.

This game is not about the destination, but the journey.

Conncept.7638:

I love this game, and see few faults that ANet isn’t actively working to fix. But of them, I would have to say this is the biggest problem, the game world just lacks content, especially content which makes one wish to play through the game multiple times.

i duno about that, I have 1-80, 1-46 and 1-16 and havent seen/cleared all the zones yet, they may be lower level zones but they are still valid places to play with an 80 due to the scaling, i like that lower level areas are still a challenge…

i have fun just running around finding new spots and seeing where i can climb to, sometimes you find places the dev’s clearly never intended players to see…..:D

Look, I know that this post was not going to be welcomed with open arms in this forum. You are all a bunch of people that still play this game and want to continue playing this game. Obviously, if I said “I don’t think there is a reason to continue playing this game,” you’d all disagree.
But I’m sure that many of you will come to the same realization soon enough.

That’s it. If you want to keep shouting at me because I express an opinion about a video game, when I’ve never disparaged any of you, then go ahead.

Oh, and btw, I never said there is nothing good to this game. I did spend three days worth of time on it.

The gear looks great. Flawed as it is, the story is nice. Certain dungeons were fun and innovative. The dragons, especially Claw, is great.

There is just no replay/continuous-play value.

Dynamite – we’re not coming down on you because you said you didn’t like the game.

We’re coming down on you because you are using a one-sided, flawed argument to convey your point.

I don’t think you’re as casual of a gamer as you think you are. Also gear progression shouldn’t define content alone, that’s your mistake. I don’t even know how to check play time in this game but since the 3 day headstart I only have a lvl 61 warrior, a lvl 25 ranger, and a lvl 4 elementalist. None of these guys have anywhere close to exotic gear. Dungeon grinders, to me, are not casual players btw.

Conncept.7638:

I love this game, and see few faults that ANet isn’t actively working to fix. But of them, I would have to say this is the biggest problem, the game world just lacks content, especially content which makes one wish to play through the game multiple times.

I would love to see them add more content, but it just seems contrary to good business to add more content that nobody is paying for.

They ARE going to add content that you actually don’t need to pay for (expansions). Out of curiosity though… what does “content” mean to you?

X The Manimal.5293:

Conncept.7638:

I love this game, and see few faults that ANet isn’t actively working to fix. But of them, I would have to say this is the biggest problem, the game world just lacks content, especially content which makes one wish to play through the game multiple times.

I would love to see them add more content, but it just seems contrary to good business to add more content that nobody is paying for.

They ARE going to add content that you actually don’t need to pay for (expansions). Out of curiosity though… what does “content” mean to you?

Umm… content? Dungeons, new areas, renown/heart quests, events, event chains, bosses…. just more of what we have, and possibly more varied versions of what we have.

Conncept.7638:

X The Manimal.5293:

Conncept.7638:

I love this game, and see few faults that ANet isn’t actively working to fix. But of them, I would have to say this is the biggest problem, the game world just lacks content, especially content which makes one wish to play through the game multiple times.

I would love to see them add more content, but it just seems contrary to good business to add more content that nobody is paying for.

They ARE going to add content that you actually don’t need to pay for (expansions). Out of curiosity though… what does “content” mean to you?

Umm… content? Dungeons, new areas, renown/heart quests, events, event chains, bosses…. just more of what we have, and possibly more varied versions of what we have.

Than all you need now is… patience. =) The Halloween event is guna be fun!

I sort of agree with the OP. There’s just nothing else that keeps me hooked once I
get the dye/look/stats that I want. I really can’t go out and set my own adventure,
as in owning a store, decorating a house, fishing, crafting (useful monetary crafting).

Once I hit 80 and get full exotics with the look I want, there are no other goals for
me. I am not a WvW person as it’s mainly about zergs anyway. I don’t mind doing
dungeons and sPvP but I need more than just that. They need to implement
another pillar that doesn’t just involve in killing.

Shootsfoot.9276:

4-5 runs of exploration mode in 2-3 hours.

My group can do cof 1 -2 and ac 1-2 in less than 2hrs.

@op just because you don’t like the end game doesn’t mean other don’t.

You know, I found Rift and TOR to have no longevity for me; they do for other people though. And WoW I could only make it 1 and 1/2 months into vanilla before I uninstalled and never touched it again.

I do see myself sticking here, as long as the devs don’t give into the WoW crowd and add all of the things I hate from Rift/WoW/etc into this game.

Darlantan.5638:

I sort of agree with the OP. There’s just nothing else that keeps me hooked once I
get the dye/look/stats that I want. I really can’t go out and set my own adventure,
as in owning a store, decorating a house, fishing, crafting (useful monetary crafting).

Once I hit 80 and get full exotics with the look I want, there are no other goals for
me. I am not a WvW person as it’s mainly about zergs anyway. I don’t mind doing
dungeons and sPvP but I need more than just that. They need to implement
another pillar that doesn’t just involve in killing.

Have you gone throughout the entire world and explored 100% of the maps? Have you actually explored through everything the maps have to offer? There are LOADS of secrets scattered about. Have you done every jump puzzle?

Just a few things that you can do without killing anything. I agree that there isn’t much else to do to progress characters past leveling and exploring, though.

Dynamite.6584:

The second part is not about gear. The second part is about lacking the motive to be competitive.
PvP is about competition. There needs to be something to compete over. Why do I care if I win 1st place?

lmao. really? are you…. REALLY?

So you only care to compete if there’s a prize involved, huh? That’s dumb. No, really, that’s pretty dumb.

WvW is fun. Winning is its own reward.

Go find another game if you want your never-ending rewards and your gear treadmill so you can constantly find upgrades, and you have fun with your mudflation and ever-increasing imbalances as stat totals reach levels that they were never intended to reach.

I don’t HAVE to do anything in this game, and that means that the only things I do are things that I have fun doing.

You obviously don’t have fun doing anything, but desire things you HAVE to do and you call that fun. Uh, bro, go get a job. Plenty of never-ending kitten you HAVE to do there!

You say nothing distinguishes this game from any other MMO, but you’re pretty much entirely wrong. This game doesn’t have a gear treadmill. That’s significant. That is, in fact, HUGE. It has 3-sided RvR, which no MMO has had since DAoC. That’s significant. It’s the only MMO I’ve played that actually has had content from rolling a character to max level finished on release. NO, WoW did NOT have all content from 1-60 available at launch, don’t even try and pull that lie because I was there — there were MANY zones with no quests or content, just landscape and mobs.

Honestly, you need a prize to compete? You need stat boosts, and to call that progression, to play? Go take a gander at people who ACTUALLY enjoy competition. They do not tend to be in it just for the prize, there’s only 1 winner and if you can’t stand doing something and not winning you will very quickly get mad and quit. The competition, the striving, has value. Nobody plays Chess because if they win enough games they can upgrade their pawns to SuperPawns.

If you need someone to give you cookies for playing, but oh my goodness don’t give out the cookies TOO SOON for there must be GRINDING and TIME SINKS to make it feel fulfilling!.. I suggest you go find yourself a nice asian MMO and knock yourself out. I can’t stand that garbage, and GW2 is a breath of fresh air in the MMO universe. It’s the only MMO that ISN’T trying to emulate the gear-treadmill-PvE-grind paradigm (which isn’t a WoW paradigm, WoW took it from earlier MMOs and improved it but did not invent it, I’m so tired of johnny-come-latelys heaping undue credit on that game).

You like a type of game that I cannot stand and will not play. I like a type of game you don’t like.
Fair enough.
Except there’s many many options available to you if (gear) progression and (gear) rewards and grindy grind grind timesinks are what you’re looking for.
Me? Yeah, not so much — there hasn’t been a PvP-focused MMO, an MMO lacking the grind and gear treadmill and PvE focus since, well, GW1.

Leave me this one game without trying to turn it into EVERY OTHER PUPPY MMO ON THE MARKET

wow you did that in 70 hours?! What are you -on- mate? XD

Seriously ?

This is laughable at best. There’s a ton of content if you play the game !

warmonkey.8013:

Dynamite.6584:

The second part is not about gear. The second part is about lacking the motive to be competitive.
PvP is about competition. There needs to be something to compete over. Why do I care if I win 1st place?

lmao. really? are you…. REALLY?

So you only care to compete if there’s a prize involved, huh? That’s dumb. No, really, that’s pretty dumb.

WvW is fun. Winning is its own reward.

Go find another game if you want your never-ending rewards and your gear treadmill so you can constantly find upgrades, and you have fun with your mudflation and ever-increasing imbalances as stat totals reach levels that they were never intended to reach.

I don’t HAVE to do anything in this game, and that means that the only things I do are things that I have fun doing.

You obviously don’t have fun doing anything, but desire things you HAVE to do and you call that fun. Uh, bro, go get a job. Plenty of never-ending kitten you HAVE to do there!

You say nothing distinguishes this game from any other MMO, but you’re pretty much entirely wrong. This game doesn’t have a gear treadmill. That’s significant. That is, in fact, HUGE. It has 3-sided RvR, which no MMO has had since DAoC. That’s significant. It’s the only MMO I’ve played that actually has had content from rolling a character to max level finished on release. NO, WoW did NOT have all content from 1-60 available at launch, don’t even try and pull that lie because I was there — there were MANY zones with no quests or content, just landscape and mobs.

Honestly, you need a prize to compete? You need stat boosts, and to call that progression, to play? Go take a gander at people who ACTUALLY enjoy competition. They do not tend to be in it just for the prize, there’s only 1 winner and if you can’t stand doing something and not winning you will very quickly get mad and quit. The competition, the striving, has value. Nobody plays Chess because if they win enough games they can upgrade their pawns to SuperPawns.

If you need someone to give you cookies for playing, but oh my goodness don’t give out the cookies TOO SOON for there must be GRINDING and TIME SINKS to make it feel fulfilling!.. I suggest you go find yourself a nice asian MMO and knock yourself out. I can’t stand that garbage, and GW2 is a breath of fresh air in the MMO universe. It’s the only MMO that ISN’T trying to emulate the gear-treadmill-PvE-grind paradigm (which isn’t a WoW paradigm, WoW took it from earlier MMOs and improved it but did not invent it, I’m so tired of johnny-come-latelys heaping undue credit on that game).

You like a type of game that I cannot stand and will not play. I like a type of game you don’t like.
Fair enough.
Except there’s many many options available to you if (gear) progression and (gear) rewards and grindy grind grind timesinks are what you’re looking for.
Me? Yeah, not so much — there hasn’t been a PvP-focused MMO, an MMO lacking the grind and gear treadmill and PvE focus since, well, GW1.

Leave me this one game without trying to turn it into EVERY OTHER PUPPY MMO ON THE MARKET

Wow you’re angry. But hey, since you took the time to type out so much, I’ll humor you.

Again, prize or not, the thing you’re competing with has to be balanced. Take your example of chess. It’s balanced. Every piece is viable, with literally millions of different strategies and routes to victory.

sPvP is Guardians and Mesmers vs other Guardians and Mesmers. Unlike chess, there are optimal routes and strategies.

If sPvP neither is fun, nor is there any prize in competition, then why compete? Why waste my time on an unfun game when you get nothing out of it? Why not play a game that is actually balanced and fun?

Second point. Gear treadmill. Where did I say I wanted one? Try not putting words in my mouth.
If you actually read what I said, I said I wanted my gear to contribute to something. What does it contribute to currently? WvW and dungeons. WvW is a game of what server has more people there. Oh, and night raiding. Forgot about that.
Dungeons are either innovative, but has no replay value, or is just straight boring.

But it’s clear that you didn’t even read the first line of my post, let alone the whole post, since you told me to get a job when I already said “after class and work”. Work=job.

What I want is 1) balance sPvP, 2) better, non-dungeon PvE content, or dungeons that are difficult not because the mobs hit hard 3) dueling/GvG, so the game can even live up to its namesake.

Maybe if you learned how to read instead of making arbitrary straw men for yourself to get angry over, we can talk again.

I disagree that spvp is unbalanced in comparison to other MMOs; however, even if it were, I don’t think it would matter much. If you think a profession is overpowered, you can start a new character and play that class in spvp immediately. If you think a build is overpowered, you can switch to that build. If you want different gear, different runes, or different sigils, you can buy them immediately and without cost from vendors in the Mists. You can literally do all of that in under a half hour.

The real problem may be that you have very limited exposure to spvp thus far. As you said, you’ve spent only 70 hours in game—and a large fraction of that must have been spent doing PvE, since you are level 80 with exotics. You probably haven’t yet spent enough time in tpvp/spvp to develop an effective build and accompanying playstyle. And since you can’t simply use your gear advantage to stomp new players in pvp (as many players are used to doing in other MMOs), it might feel like you are at a severe disadvantage relative to all other classes. In fact, your profession may be completely fine. You might just need more time to develop a build that works for you and to learn how to counter other professions.

In any case—don’t take this as an attack. This is just an honest suggestion if you want to get more enjoyment out of spvp/tpvp.

To the OP thanks for sharing your opinion, also know that many of us don’t share your views but we appreciate your input. Hope you find the game you are looking for. In the end is all about having fun.

Best of luck!

AlietteFaye.7316:

Darlantan.5638:

I sort of agree with the OP. There’s just nothing else that keeps me hooked once I
get the dye/look/stats that I want. I really can’t go out and set my own adventure,
as in owning a store, decorating a house, fishing, crafting (useful monetary crafting).

Once I hit 80 and get full exotics with the look I want, there are no other goals for
me. I am not a WvW person as it’s mainly about zergs anyway. I don’t mind doing
dungeons and sPvP but I need more than just that. They need to implement
another pillar that doesn’t just involve in killing.

Have you gone throughout the entire world and explored 100% of the maps? Have you actually explored through everything the maps have to offer? There are LOADS of secrets scattered about. Have you done every jump puzzle?

Just a few things that you can do without killing anything. I agree that there isn’t much else to do to progress characters past leveling and exploring, though.

Not my type of adventure mate. I am sitting on 2 80’s one with 60% map completion other with 40%. If I wanted I could get 100% in one of them by the end of the week. Then what?

Your missing my point. The point is there is no replay ability. I could do all the stuff you listed but it all has an end and they don’t allow me to set my own adventure that will hold my attention over and over again.

OP

I have all the gear I can ask. But what can I even do with this gear?

It’s dress up. You get the gear to look nice. That’s it.

I blame people farming FoW, it was ugly and overpriced.

I agree with dynamite that general content of PvE is boring. I’m an altoholic and can rarely bring myself to play my alts, because I find the level process very dull as well as the hearts and events that allow leveling. The content is lacking, hearts and events are the same exact concepts dressed up slightly differently; it’s like home decor, a living room is a living regardless of how you furnish it. Interacting with objects to fill a yellow bar is still the same concept whether it’s turning on a machine or getting rid of spike traps.

I think it’s ok to play a game for a while until you feel done with it. That’s the beauty of no subscription. If there’s nothing in game that you want and you don’t have friendships pulling you into the game, then leave it set for a bit ‘til there’s a reason to play again.

Dynamite.6584:

But I’m sure that many of you will come to the same realization soon enough.

This argument again, really? I am soo sick of this argument.

I am lvl 60 something … I don’t keep that close ah track … high 60’s; I could be level 80 by now if I wan’ed it … I’ve got the time in, but I’m not playin’ ta get all “max-haxored-super-l33ter-lootered”, and the game isn’t meant to be played that way. Sure, people want some more stuff ta do when they hit the big eight-oh; they got more stuff commin’, they’ve said as much. (in fact, stuff comin’ next week)

Problem is, some people jus’ aren’t a good fit for this game … that’s okay, it really is. An’ some people come thinkin’ ta play it like most other MMOs an’ can’t wrap their brains around the different expectations the devs had when they put this tagether; that’s fine, too, though it’d be better if those people tried ta accept the changes a little harder.

Maybe they shoulda gone with the GW gimmick an’ had levelin’ stop at 20, that way people’d have more explorin’ ta do after they hit level cap an’ wouldn’ be complainin’ so much … I dunno. What I do know is that the game isn’ done yet – that there’s alot more comin’ down the pipe – an’ it’s way too early ta be givin’ up on it. But it’s okay ta walk away for a few months if ya’ve got all yer gonna get right now … come back around December an’ see how much more they’ve done, then decide. It ain’ gonna cost ya any more, so whatcha got ta lose?

Honestly, This may sound very immature and brunt of me, but if your unable to find a way to have fun in WvW, than your just a dumb kitten You can say what you want, but I have had my fair share of experiences in WvW and I have always found a way to have fun. I’ve been on the dominating side, rolling around with the zerg and capping towers and keeps as an unstoppable force. But I’ve also been on the side that’s getting dominated and this seems to be where most people just don’t get it. If your getting dominated, especially if your outnumbered, you shouldn’t be rolling around with the zerg trying to cap heavily fortified towers and what not. What you should be doing is getting together a 5 man supply camp raiding team together that you can take to sneak behind enemy lines cut off supply to their tower, and doing dynamic events to get the help of ogres, dredge and hylek while wreaking havoc with guerilla and stealth warfare. This will draw away some of their force away from your zerg, which gives your zerg a chance to actually succeed. If you roll around with the zerg and you don’t have any strategy or anything, the only thing you will be doing is shelling out money for them armor repair costs. Now if your someone who just hates the idea of forming a party and doesn’t want to run around all ninja like, than you should camp your kitten at one of your few remaining towers or keeps, and find yourself some siege equipment. This may not be for everyone as it does take patience, but it can be a hell of alot of fun when your killing 30 – 40 of the enemy zerg every half hour as they continuously throw themselves at your walls. If your having a hard time finding fun in this video game, its because your looking to hard. In reality you don’t believe a game with no end game (gear grind) can be fun, so your making it lame. I find the best way to play this game is to log in, grab whichever character I feel like playing, and do whatever I like to do. When you focus on grinding map completion, or gear, or doing so many DEs to get your karma up, your not gonna have fun. This isn’t like other games where your always rushing after your next goal or next tier. I know people say this all the time, but you really do have to adapt to it, its not about setting goals and getting to the highest tier. Its about rollin up a J, cracking open some beer, and than logging in to blow kitten up with a whole bunch of people you don’t even know.