Guild Wars 2

I left GW2 about 3 weeks after retail release mainly because of the bots but for many downfalls in the game which I do not care to go into here. I use these forums from time to time to simply check whether or not the game is worth coming back to yet.

Unfortunately I don’t see me coming back anytime soon. Just by looking at the first 3-5 pages of the general section you can get a very good idea on whether things are improving or not. Sadly, it’s not. Getting slowly but steadily worse from what I can see and the 2 die-hard friends of mine that have managed to keep playing confirm many of the problems written about here and also let me know about the population levels.

Unlike many of you, I do place a certain practical value on my personal time. Wasting my time steadfastly playing a game that may or may not improve to an acceptable level at some indistinct time in the future is NOT a good investment in my personal time.

So thank you all, for your extensive posts and complaints about the problems in the game, you have saved me many many hours of playing to discover them myself.

See you when the game gets better (or when we all join a new one cause this one dies).

How about checking the other subsections of the forum.

The general section is a hotbed of baseless negativity peopled by those who self-selected and congregated here and are no longer representative of the rest of the community. These people spout conspiracy theories, and threaten the proverbial daughters of the devs just because the game wasn’t “_exactly what they personally wanted”

I’m having a blast in this game, with a few minor glitches as is always present in new software. I hardly call it a waste of my time.

lol, every MMO, if ones that are good and have very little bugs, still have pages and pages and pages of complaints. Going by what the forums say is the worse way to see how a game is doing. All MMO forums are 95% complaints, majority of players who use forums are here to complain, with some that are like me, still visit the forums but very much enjoy the game. Happy customers tend not to give feedback, but unhappy customers tend to scream the loudest, but that doesn’t meant they are the majority.

Can I have your stuff?

You guys have selective vision.

2 die-hard friends of mine that have managed to keep playing confirm many of the problems written about here and also let me know about the population levels.

You miss that bit or just choose not to see it?

Roachy.6194:

You guys have selective vision.

2 die-hard friends of mine that have managed to keep playing confirm many of the problems written about here and also let me know about the population levels.

You miss that bit or just choose not to see it?

600+ hours here i can confirm most of the complaints here also, lol mainly the loot being total crap for most people.

Roachy.6194:

You guys have selective vision.

2 die-hard friends of mine that have managed to keep playing confirm many of the problems written about here and also let me know about the population levels.

You miss that bit or just choose not to see it?

Then you don’t need the forums to save time, you can save even more time by talking to your friends, and not waste time on the forums. Or are your friends having to much fun with the game they don’t have much time to talk to you? =P

None of the problems in the game are not fixable.

With bots Anet has made much progress. And within a month they will be gone.

It btp, so just enjoy the holiday event.

Hellkaiser, well said.

eisberg.2379:

Roachy.6194:

You guys have selective vision.

2 die-hard friends of mine that have managed to keep playing confirm many of the problems written about here and also let me know about the population levels.

You miss that bit or just choose not to see it?

Then you don’t need the forums to save time, you can save even more time by talking to your friends, and not waste time on the forums. Or are your friends having to much fun with the game they don’t have much time to talk to you? =P

OF COURSE!! you’re a genius, all this time I’ve not realized that it was my tireless dedication to helping them run dungeons in a timely manner without fretting and discriminating over gear levels and helping them overcome obstacles that forced them to CREATE A NEW ACCOUNT and log on and play that! It was clearly all my fault U_U

Or ya know… they could have just left the game because it’s not living up to expectations and isn’t fun for them.

You need to take your head outta the sand son… while it’s down there all safe and ignorant like, all people are seeing is a giant rear.

Seriously, we cannot even use a typical American slang term for our posterior’s?

:/

Roachy.6194:

You guys have selective vision.

2 die-hard friends of mine that have managed to keep playing confirm many of the problems written about here and also let me know about the population levels.

You miss that bit or just choose not to see it?

You have selective vision too.

Clearly there are a lot of positive things about the game, just as much as there are negative (as with all things in life; nothing’s perfect).

But you choose to purposely go into a forum of a game you admittedly no longer play to specifically look for problems and find out if they have been solved.

projectcedric.6951:

Roachy.6194:

You guys have selective vision.

2 die-hard friends of mine that have managed to keep playing confirm many of the problems written about here and also let me know about the population levels.

You miss that bit or just choose not to see it?

You have selective vision too.

Clearly there are a lot of positive things about the game, just as much as there are negative (as with all things in life; nothing’s perfect).

But you choose to purposely go into a forum of a game you admittedly no longer play to specifically look for problems and find out if they have been solved.

Yes, that is exactly what I said. I’m not seeing your point.

Yeah, it’s really in a tailspin to be honest… lol it’s a free game and it can’t even hold players. Farmville has more retention.

Maybe so Zeldain, but there is no harm dropping back to these forums from time to time just to check if something marvelous has happened that might make me want to play again.

Roachy.6194:

Unlike many of you, I do place a certain practical value on my personal time. Wasting my time steadfastly playing a game that may or may not improve to an acceptable level at some indistinct time in the future is NOT a good investment in my personal time.

Unless, we place the same practical value on our own personal time as you, and find the game to be at an acceptable and/or above level and continue playing for that reason?

I agree wholeheartedly, if it were not, I would not be playing!

Though, I would play myself to make the determination, and not read a general forum to make that decision.

Roachy.6194:

projectcedric.6951:

Roachy.6194:

You guys have selective vision.

2 die-hard friends of mine that have managed to keep playing confirm many of the problems written about here and also let me know about the population levels.

You miss that bit or just choose not to see it?

You have selective vision too.

Clearly there are a lot of positive things about the game, just as much as there are negative (as with all things in life; nothing’s perfect).

But you choose to purposely go into a forum of a game you admittedly no longer play to specifically look for problems and find out if they have been solved.

Yes, that is exactly what I said. I’m not seeing your point.

Not my problem if you cant see it. It’s obviously the other side of the coin of your so called ‘selective vision’.

But projectcedric, you didn’t make a point..All you did is repeat the essence of what I had already typed.

I agree to this.
Clearly there are a lot of positive things about the game, just as much as there are negative (as with all things in life; nothing’s perfect).

I also agree to this.
But you choose to purposely go into a forum of a game you admittedly no longer play to specifically look for problems and find out if they have been solved.

If you were trying to say something negative to me then maybe it got cut off your post or something?

thing is, there’s already a lot of selective vision when it comes to this games success and popularity, particularly in it’s “huge active playerbase” department.

many still believe a “full server” means a “fully active server” and not one that’s reached it’s registration caps, there was a thread where we had to literally link a screenshot from an A-Net staff member, three times before they stopped making out that the red response was in fact confirming what they didn’t want to hear.

No this game isn’t the worst game in the world, there is FAR worse, but to complain that the negativity is unfounded. Is a bit silly

This christmas, we’ve gotten another set of gambling boxes…

-sigh-

When will you lot learn, we’ll buy fun things to support you, we’ll buy skins so we can show off with pride that we support you and your business model which works out better for all in our eyes, but we don’t want to throw money at you so we can gamble it and potentially get nothing of value…

What it means is that you focus that “selective vision” the other way around. Is it not entirely possible to judge a game based strictly on what it has accomplished rather than what it has failed to do?

Don’t tell me that the game has accomplished absolutely nothing for you to say that it didnt deserved your time and money, because I feel differently. I worked as an artist in the game industry too, and I can appreciate that even just the amount of work and design put into the environment of this game is already worth my 60 bucks.

Ultimately, you can complain, no one’s stopping you (except the forum mods maybe, because they explicitly say you cant make a thread just for the sake of complaining). And I’m not saying this apples to GW2 only, Ive been to other games’ forums, and mostly people kitten about all kinds of negative stuffs and expect all of it to be solved.

I know its a game, and its supposed to be ‘ideal’, but no, its a lot like reality. In the end, it all depends on whether you like the experience as an individual or not.

With regards to selective vision of developer, I would like to tell you (Hellkaiser) -if you havent known it by now- that ALL game companies have selective vision. Of course, they are gonna say “we are gonna put a forum for you to help us improve the game”, for official purposes. And they can try, but eventually there is a specific and idealistic conceptual and monetary goal to every game. And some problems you may see are just not considered ‘problems’ by them. You think its bad? Too bad. Go and punch the wall or something.

projectcedric.6951:

What it means is that you focus that “selective vision” the other way around. Is it not entirely possible to judge a game based strictly on what it has accomplished rather than what it has failed to do?

Don’t tell me that the game has accomplished absolutely nothing for you to say that it didnt deserved your time and money, because I feel differently. I worked as an artist in the game industry too, and I can appreciate that even just the amount of work and design put into the environment of this game is already worth my 60 bucks.

Ultimately, you can complain, no one’s stopping you (except the forum mods maybe, because they explicitly say you cant make a thread just for the sake of complaining). And I’m not saying this apples to GW2 only, Ive been to other games’ forums, and mostly people kitten about all kinds of negative stuffs and expect all of it to be solved.

I know its a game, and its supposed to be ‘ideal’, but no, its a lot like reality. In the end, it all depends on whether you like the experience as an individual or not.

With regards to selective vision of developer, I would like to tell you (Hellkaiser) -if you havent known it by now- that ALL game companies have selective vision. Of course, they are gonna say “we are gonna put a forum for you to help us improve the game”, for official purposes. And they can try, but eventually there is a specific and idealistic conceptual and monetary goal to every game. And some problems you may see are just not considered ‘problems’ by them. You think its bad? Too bad. Go and punch the wall or something.

I don’t have to, and to think that I’d feel so “angry” towards being let down by a company like A-Net is quite frankly hilarious, although condescending to the highest degree and insulting so try and keep that kinda thing out of this thanks.

No I return here in good faith every week or two just like the original poster does, to see if they’ve finally woken up and realized that perhaps their “visions” are not working and if they should be altered as part of ongoing development, if that is idealism well then I guess I’m guilty as charged, and the best way I can count towards changing that is to simply NOT support this company past the retail of the game and instead choose to spend that money on other game design studios that I feel are better utilizing it, I did however BUY this game and it had been promised in my opinion to be more than it currently is, and seemed to be part of a new wave of games that was putting a stop to the senseless outdated aspects of MMORPG genre games, therefore I reserve my right to question their methods and criticize them openly while trying to be respectful.

No… I don’t need to vent my anger physically on the masonry to feel better, the best way for me to feel better is to see this game start to promote a better model that doesn’t work through the tired and horrible aspects of random chance gem boxes, or insane grind to promote you to pay because you don’t want to spend months on a rubbish skin to help you stand out aesthetically by a tiny margin while your fellow players manipulate the market to gouge you out of gold if you try to circumvent the insanely bad farming and grinding, in a game that doesn’t want you to grind they at least lived up to that vision, they make it so painful that you don’t want to do it.

Failing that, I’ll settle for watching the game fail to live up to expectations and simply watch as it becomes another badly designed

“We told you so”

PS. the artwork is lovely, so was diablo 3’s, still wouldn’t pay 60 bucks for the artwork alone as well… it’s not a piece of art alone and one aspect of the game doesn’t stop it’s core aspects being bad. Function > aesthetics in gaming in my views and it’s a shared opinion also, hence all the jokes about “it’s got…..GRAPHICS DOOD” when it comes to the post COD4 franchise intallments, but that’s just my personal opinion on the matter, maybe you would and that would probably be where the differences lie, but that artwork didn’t make the game flop harder than a fish outta water up until they finally started listening to their rapidly shrinking playerbase, and GW2 could be no different, minus the PR disaster that is jay wilson.

Thanks for clearing up what you mean. Please, allow me to retort.

projectcedric.6951:

What it means is that you focus that “selective vision” the other way around. Is it not entirely possible to judge a game based strictly on what it has accomplished rather than what it has failed to do?

Don’t tell me that the game has accomplished absolutely nothing for you to say that it didnt deserved your time and money, because I feel differently. I worked as an artist in the game industry too, and I can appreciate that even just the amount of work and design put into the environment of this game is already worth my 60 bucks.

I never did tell you that the game has accomplished absolutely nothing. Quite obviously the game DID accomplish something for me or I wouldn’t have purchased it in the first place, and yes they did get my 60 bucks too. Please bear in mind that my post was never about the perceived value of the game so lets at least keep it on topic shall we?

projectcedric.6951:

Ultimately, you can complain, no one’s stopping you (except the forum mods maybe, because they explicitly say you cant make a thread just for the sake of complaining). And I’m not saying this apples to GW2 only, Ive been to other games’ forums, and mostly people kitten about all kinds of negative stuffs and expect all of it to be solved.

Once again, you obviously never read my original post properly. I never did complain. In fact I was complimenting the forums on their usefulness in helping me to determine whether or not it was time to come back to the game.

projectcedric.6951:

I know its a game, and its supposed to be ‘ideal’, but no, its a lot like reality. In the end, it all depends on whether you like the experience as an individual or not.

Yes, an individuals personal experience does determine whether or not they like the game but that seems a bit self evident to even mention doesn’t it? Reality is also something you should use when replying to a forum post. Your reply is certainly not realistic if you just keep stating points that were never even mentioned in the post you are replying to. Please limit your responses to my original post and please do not attempt to put “words” into my mouth.

projectcedric.6951:

With regards to selective vision of developer, I would like to tell you (Hellkaiser) -if you havent known it by now- that ALL game companies have selective vision. Of course, they are gonna say “we are gonna put a forum for you to help us improve the game”, for official purposes. And they can try, but eventually there is a specific and idealistic conceptual and monetary goal to every game. And some problems you may see are just not considered ‘problems’ by them. You think its bad? Too bad. Go and punch the wall or something.

This is directed at you Hellkaiser so it’s all yours

I know this is just a big circle jerk (this game sucks. no it rocks! no it sucks…)
but I don’t know why op doesn’t just play the game for himself to find out.

Not like he needs to re-sub or anything.

and face it, playing video games is always a waste of time.

Playing semantics doesn’t change the fact that your OP has a tone of a complaint.

I quote:
“See you when the game gets better (or when we all join a new one cause this one dies).”

Sure, you can argue all you want that you never explicitly complained. But lets cut the kitten shall we? What do you think we are here, kids? Bottom line, it’s that.

@Hellkaiser

" ..to see if they’ve finally woken up and realized that perhaps their “visions” are not working and if they should be altered as part of ongoing development.."

Good luck with that, dude. I am not saying that they are never going to be ‘fixing’ what players deem is broken, but that statement implies that “visions” can be successful or not. No, they cant. They are visions and ideals. They cant be “working” or “not working”. They’re just something that a game company wants to do. Simple as that.

If you’re looking for something different and they dont give it to you, make your own game. But of course you’re complaining because you paid 60 bucks for the game and didnt get what you expected. But promised or not, ToS also ensures that Anet has no liability whatsoever with this regards. Its like you bought an mp3, and its functioning but its just not what you expected. Sad, but well, it aint gonna change things unless you have money to buy Anet.

And that’s what I meant by ‘reality’.

lolitsage.2185:

>says game is bad
>claims to value his time
>writes a long paragraph on the games forum
O the irony

Writes a long paragraph on the forums – 5 minutes.
Plays the game to discover is still isn’t worth coming back to – 5 hours.
Tool that can’t see the difference – Priceless

Roachy.6194:

lolitsage.2185:

>says game is bad
>claims to value his time
>writes a long paragraph on the games forum
O the irony

Writes a long paragraph on the forums – 5 minutes.
Plays the game to discover is still isn’t worth coming back to – 5 hours.
Tool that can’t see the difference – Priceless

Writes a long paragraph on the forums – 5 minutes.
DONT write a long paragraph on the forum and dont come back to a ‘bad’ game – 0 minutes.

Tool that can’t see the difference – Priceless.

projectcedric;
Semantics is just somebody trying to twist an argument to suit what they want. Which is exactly what you are attempting (and failing) to do.

Please don’t bring a knife to a gun fight.

Roachy.6194:

projectcedric;
Semantics is just somebody trying to twist an argument to suit what they want. Which is exactly what you are attempting (and failing) to do.

Please don’t bring a knife to a gun fight.

How creative.

At the end of it all, I’m at work, but posting on the forums of a game I enjoy (because I just cant get my mind off it).

You are… doing whatever you are supposed to be doing… but posting on the forums of a game you DON’T enjoy.

Tsk. Sad.

I don’t even know what people are dissapointed with in GW2. I play the game, I have fun, they drop a patch, I get free new content (speaking of which, the wintersday event is amazing by any MMO’s standards) and me and my friends still play it often.

My server is still alive and well (crystal desert) and I’ve only ever been on the actual Lions Arch at 3 A.M. after waiting 5 minutes. I do events with people, and have formed groups just to roam around in level 40 areas just completing events.

Perhaps your views are just flawed in what you are looking for, or maybe you are simply trying to not like the game. Regardless, not everyone will like a game. Developers have the frustrating task of creating a game for a community that wants it to be on their wishes as an individual, however, the product they push is inevitably going to have to be used by all the players regardless of what they expect. Frankly OP, you don’t have any evidence of a bad game, apparently you don’t even have your own opinion as your friends are your only witnesses.

Also, I don’t understand the point of this thread, are you trying to make a point?

SO… let’s take a look at the arguments against posting on the forums in any manner aside from inane positivity.

1: Buy A-Net…

2: Don’t bother posting

3: Appeal to tradition ie: “it’s just the way it is and it will never change, nothing you say or do will change that”

4: appeal to ridicule ie: “well you’re just a self entitled whinger, and anyone that complains is too”

I’m in awe of the responses, and no not in the good way. It seems those that would believe the game is fine as is, have seemingly very low expectations of the products they buy, and that’s the only reason we disagree, they see us as expecting too much, we see them as expecting too little. Is there any real reason that this has to be this way? or there’s no middle ground to be found? nope, but again personal ego’s seem to get involved all to quickly and this becomes as I stated, a kitten for tat personal vendetta and the points get lost in the arguments to put it bluntly.

So to those that would try and hypocritically add “then why post here” I would simply state “pot, meet kettle” or simply “stop friggin trolling”

Half the posts in this thread, are completely pointless and if it were another time on another forum they’d be reprimanded for post count padding by spamming, as sad as that sounds. And more often than not, players are hounded and attacked for simply offering up feedback and it’s complete bullkitten.

PRO-TIP: You don’t destroy “dat whingerz argumentz” by posting garbage at them and attacking them, you just weaken your credibility. Does it matter? when other players finally take the leap and stop giving a hoot about the game en masse, then yes… it does your game suffers

Welcome to my ignore list OP, you’re the first, is this the attention you want?

Medazolam.3058:

Welcome to my ignore list OP, you’re the first, is this the attention you want?

“Half the posts in this thread, are completely pointless and if it were another time on another forum they’d be reprimanded for post count padding by spamming, as sad as that sounds. And more often than not, players are hounded and attacked for simply offering up feedback and it’s complete bullkitten.”

Thank you for again, proving this point your post added NOTHING to this thread, NOTHING

Also, all the ways to make gold and do fun things, people just don’t do because they can’t realize its fun to try something new. So they complain when their old methods don’t work over and over.

Yumiko Ishida.3769:

In Before Moderators lock.

Also, all the ways to make gold and do fun things, people just don’t do because they can’t realize its fun to try something new. So they complain when their old methods don’t work over and over.

Enlighten us to your amazing ways, and perhaps that claim will have some weight instead of being a throw away statement.

If one thing gets stale, do something else. Do an older dungeon with guild mates that need it (1 + gold a route with gold boosting buffs/food), help out other players (doing things you both need simultaneously clears stuff twice as fast than alone). Go form a group to clear Orr maps (like mass temple clears… use that 100s of thousands of karma you have on your new shiny exotics!) Help players in their story… (a bit if karma for doing it with them) teach people the game (more valuable than gold, because you make new friends and chances are they will help you in kind with gear/materials/etc). I can name so much more.

Has anyone considered the game is losing people over how damn unfriendly it is now to new blood?

KingClash.3186:

Roachy.6194:

You guys have selective vision.

2 die-hard friends of mine that have managed to keep playing confirm many of the problems written about here and also let me know about the population levels.

You miss that bit or just choose not to see it?

600+ hours here i can confirm most of the complaints here also, lol mainly the loot being total crap for most people.

I can too but you and I don’t have blinders on.