Guild Wars 2

I am not sure how EotM will function, I will assume EotM is PvP-type map/zone based from what I read at the original post@
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/the-edge-of-the-mists-a-new-map-is-coming-to-wvw/

And since Scarlet LW, which has been a PvE “thing” so far, will be happening in a PvP-type zone, I can see foresee many who might get killed in the PvP area complain about the nature of the game.

But Anet is…Anet. They have a vision, and this might be something they think is fun, and I personally am looking forward to it myself. I haven’t stepped foot in WvWvW for a very long time (last serious run I did was back when there were Orbs) so this might give me a reason to revisit the place.

What’s your thoughts on the PvE content (so far), being placed in PvP zone? Good? Bad? Meh? Boo?

edit: I still remember the Kite JP Living Story, it was tons fun, but later on, servers seems to have a truce to get the Kites

Im predicting that there will either be

1.) A PvE EOTM instance and a WvW EOTM instance

or

2.) a PvE only EOTM instance for the next 2-4 weeks, and a WvW EOTM release later in March.

Vol.7601:

Im predicting that there will either be

1.) A PvE EOTM instance and a WvW EOTM instance

or

2.) a PvE only EOTM instance for the next 2-4 weeks, and a WvW EOTM release later in March.

Dang it, boo haha. I am hoping that Anet would be crazy enough to mix in the two. Looking forward to hunt glass-canon PvE build players there.

DeathMetal.8264:

Vol.7601:

Im predicting that there will either be

1.) A PvE EOTM instance and a WvW EOTM instance

or

2.) a PvE only EOTM instance for the next 2-4 weeks, and a WvW EOTM release later in March.

Dang it, boo haha. I am hoping that Anet would be crazy enough to mix in the two. Looking forward to hunt glass-canon PvE build players there.

I think Anet would be crazy to include both in the same map, but hey, anything is possible.

DeathMetal.8264:

Vol.7601:

Im predicting that there will either be

1.) A PvE EOTM instance and a WvW EOTM instance

or

2.) a PvE only EOTM instance for the next 2-4 weeks, and a WvW EOTM release later in March.

Dang it, boo haha. I am hoping that Anet would be crazy enough to mix in the two. Looking forward to hunt glass-canon PvE build players there.

That would keep a lot of PvE players away from the content and even further away from WvW. Imo it would be a terrible idea and i wouldn´t enjoy it. I have tried WvW in the past and can´t say i enjoyed it, so i was always looking forward for the PvE LS, but this time i may give it a miss entirely, due to the possibility of containing PvP as well.

DeathMetal.8264:

Vol.7601:

Im predicting that there will either be

1.) A PvE EOTM instance and a WvW EOTM instance

or

2.) a PvE only EOTM instance for the next 2-4 weeks, and a WvW EOTM release later in March.

Dang it, boo haha. I am hoping that Anet would be crazy enough to mix in the two. Looking forward to hunt glass-canon PvE build players there.

ANet is that crazy, While Vol makes valid points and theories. I doubt if they release it they’d go through the effort to split it, but the theory of a PvE only instance would be plausible. However that would kitten off the WvW population quite a bit xD

I feel like separate PvE and WvW version are the only way Anet can win on this one. If it’s juts PvE stuff in a WvW zone, it’s inevitable that people are going to farm bags from the PvE’rs, and if they make it PvE only for the first couple weeks they start a kitten storm with the WvW crowd.

Next they will release another Teq/Wurm like Boss on a WvW-Map .. they really are THAT crazy i believe meanwhile

But i have no doubt that TTS would be rocking WvW also ^^

It’s easy, f they mix them, I just will not do the content. WvW/PvP sucks and I will not go near it just for something LS related.

Beldin.5498:

Next they will release another Teq/Wurm like Boss on a WvW-Map .. they really are THAT crazy i believe meanwhile

But i have no doubt that TTS would be rocking WvW also ^^

Too bad we can’t have the max number of players allowed on a WvW map in those PvE maps. I’m sure it’d probably be easier to do teq/wurm with ~210 (thats assuming 70 player max for each server on a borderland (so x3)), I’m sure there would definitely be lag, but I’d probably be fine with that if we could field that many against the wurm.

I can’t find the info saying that there will have LS content in the EotM.

I’m pretty sure that if they add LS content in the EotM/WvW you will be able to do the same thing in the open PvE, like the toxic alliance/pristine stuff, you could do that in WvW but not exclusively there.

Lootbags come to me ….

Looking forward to roaming on my mes or a cheese perplexity engi

If it’s PvE, I won’t do it, just like the past Living Stories I haven’t done yet. (Every single one after the Queens Gauntlet.)

If it’s PvP however, I’m gonna have a lot of fun killing the PvE population

Belzebu.3912:

I can’t find the info saying that there will have LS content in the EotM.

I’m pretty sure that if they add LS content in the EotM/WvW you will be able to do the same thing in the open PvE, like the toxic alliance/pristine stuff, you could do that in WvW but not exclusively there.

lordkrall.7241:

Seems like information about the coming update have started to turn up. And the main thing seems to be Edge of the Mists (which will be invaded by Aetherblades).

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/coming-soon-the-edge-of-the-mists/
http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/01/28/journey-to-the-edge-of-the-mists-in-guild-wars-2s-next-content/
http://guildmag.com/aetherblades-invading-edge-of-the-mists/

Much earlier than I though, but very nice nonetheless.

(from a thread in the WvW forum)

Oh thanks Kaos.
Hopefully there will be LS steps that involves be in the open EotM, but I think it be only instances there for the LS.

It depends how this is implemented.

If it is the living story and I can kill other people doing the living story there, this will be all kinds of epic.

If it is regular WvW that has an increased number of living story events, it will not be popular.

They’re using the PVE excuse to mass test since they didn’t want to invite thousands to the beta testing, once it’s stable and Scarlet is finally gone, they’ll open it to the WvW community with much fanfare – pity, free lootbags would’ve been great!

Cynic mode off.

Should be interesting to see how this pans out.

If it is just a Living Story/Scarlet flavored WvW map it should be fine. For example, intead of escorting a Dolyac you escort some Living Story NPC. That should be fine.

Howver, If it is a WvW map with separate LS stuff thrown into it, it is going to be horrible.

style.6173:

It depends how this is implemented.

If it is the living story and I can kill other people doing the living story there, this will be all kinds of epic.

If it is regular WvW that has an increased number of living story events, it will not be popular.

I would LOVE and I mean LOVE it if we are able to kill other people in there!

Vol.7601:

Im predicting that there will either be

1.) A PvE EOTM instance and a WvW EOTM instance

or

2.) a PvE only EOTM instance for the next 2-4 weeks, and a WvW EOTM release later in March.

Although I would love to see WvW hammer trains hitting LS zergs, I agree that it will probably be something like this.

Vol.7601:

Im predicting that there will either be

1.) A PvE EOTM instance and a WvW EOTM instance

or

2.) a PvE only EOTM instance for the next 2-4 weeks, and a WvW EOTM release later in March.

Either of these options will be very disappointing. I want to kill people doing a living story. and why not? It makes perfect sense in the context of the scarlett story.

ShiningSquirrel.3751:

It’s easy, f they mix them, I just will not do the content. WvW/PvP sucks and I will not go near it just for something LS related.

Could not have said it better. +

I’m fairly sure it’ll be us chasing Scarlet to the new zone and it being pure PvE, then later “now that Scarlet is gone…” we get the WvW-esque map.

And I had a good laugh at all you saying you can’t wait to kill PvE-ers. After all the complaining that any of these LS updates had anything to do with WvW maps in the past.

ShiningSquirrel.3751:

It’s easy, f they mix them, I just will not do the content. WvW/PvP sucks and I will not go near it just for something LS related.

This!

Maybe there will be neutral zones where LS events are going on and where the worlds have to fight together? I really wish there was more info on the game-play for this. Either way it seems interesting. Can’t wait.

Vol.7601:

DeathMetal.8264:

Vol.7601:

Im predicting that there will either be

1.) A PvE EOTM instance and a WvW EOTM instance

or

2.) a PvE only EOTM instance for the next 2-4 weeks, and a WvW EOTM release later in March.

Dang it, boo haha. I am hoping that Anet would be crazy enough to mix in the two. Looking forward to hunt glass-canon PvE build players there.

I think Anet would be crazy to include both in the same map, but hey, anything is possible.

Have you met anet?

From what I read so far, seems like EotM, PvE (Living Story) in PvP worls is happening!

DeathMetal.8264:

Vol.7601:

Im predicting that there will either be

1.) A PvE EOTM instance and a WvW EOTM instance

or

2.) a PvE only EOTM instance for the next 2-4 weeks, and a WvW EOTM release later in March.

Dang it, boo haha. I am hoping that Anet would be crazy enough to mix in the two. Looking forward to hunt glass-canon PvE build players there.

It’s always pleasant to hunt overly “modest” quazi-pro WvW players. Always a pleasure! Can’t wait!^^

It’s going to be 2 weeks without sleep for me, gotta spawn camp them newbs 24/7

ShiningSquirrel.3751:

It’s easy, f they mix them, I just will not do the content. WvW/PvP sucks and I will not go near it just for something LS related.

Your loss then, because gearing is just soooooo expensive is it.

Well I will see what it is going to be when it comes around. If it is indeed PvP/WvW and I can’t do LS without getting killed, well… I just wont do it, I hate PvP and rather dislike WvW so I am not going to put myself through that kitten.

aspirine.6852:

ShiningSquirrel.3751:

It’s easy, f they mix them, I just will not do the content. WvW/PvP sucks and I will not go near it just for something LS related.

Your loss then, because gearing is just soooooo expensive is it.

You misunderstand, being kacked in PvP or WvW isn’t about the gear/repair cost, it is about feeling less than epic. In a RPG, we like to think of ourselves the “hero” of the story thus getting randomly kacked from some stranger you run into removes all fantasy barriers from the game to the PvE crowd.

Some people simply approach the game much differently than you do.

Wait and see, if it will be what I’m thinking I’m not doing this LS.

Tommyknocker.6089:

aspirine.6852:

ShiningSquirrel.3751:

It’s easy, f they mix them, I just will not do the content. WvW/PvP sucks and I will not go near it just for something LS related.

Your loss then, because gearing is just soooooo expensive is it.

You misunderstand, being kacked in PvP or WvW isn’t about the gear/repair cost, it is about feeling less than epic. In a RPG, we like to think of ourselves the “hero” of the story thus getting randomly kacked from some stranger you run into removes all fantasy barriers from the game to the PvE crowd.

Some people simply approach the game much differently than you do.

Why would u not challange yourself?

i don’t get the dislike for pvp

Corpus Christi.2057:

DeathMetal.8264:

Vol.7601:

Im predicting that there will either be

1.) A PvE EOTM instance and a WvW EOTM instance

or

2.) a PvE only EOTM instance for the next 2-4 weeks, and a WvW EOTM release later in March.

Dang it, boo haha. I am hoping that Anet would be crazy enough to mix in the two. Looking forward to hunt glass-canon PvE build players there.

It’s always pleasant to hunt overly “modest” quazi-pro WvW players. Always a pleasure! Can’t wait!^^

Bring it ON !

Martrim.1078:

Why would u not challange yourself?

i don’t get the dislike for pvp

I challenge myself in PvP with other games.
However games like GW2 don’t inspire me to play PvP mode.
It is boring to some. That’s where some dislike comes from.

I play a ton of solo queue and team queue and pve, but i detest wvw. eotm sounds really interesting to me because i don’t think the mobs will be as large. anything past 20vs.20 to me is just monkeys flinging poo at each other.

Iason Evan.3806:

I play a ton of solo queue and team queue and pve, but i detest wvw. eotm sounds really interesting to me because i don’t think the mobs will be as large. anything past 20vs.20 to me is just monkeys flinging poo at each other.

You can WvW without the zerg. I usually run with 5-10 man groups, sometimes even go out solo.

Iason Evan.3806:

I play a ton of solo queue and team queue and pve, but i detest wvw. eotm sounds really interesting to me because i don’t think the mobs will be as large. anything past 20vs.20 to me is just monkeys flinging poo at each other.

Well I despise the pvp in this game and love wvw. be it small scale or large vs large.
When you think of it of monkeys throwing kitten you describe a pug zerg meeting another. That sort of thing rarely happens.

If they actually did try and tie the LS story into the WvW map and force PvErs to join in WvW to continue the story, they’d be making a HUGE mistake.

Ultima Online added a function of the game to try and get people into the PvP world (power scrolls). It didn’t take long before the PvErs got fed up and left it. And the complaints… Oh, the complaints!

Martrim.1078:

Tommyknocker.6089:

aspirine.6852:

ShiningSquirrel.3751:

It’s easy, f they mix them, I just will not do the content. WvW/PvP sucks and I will not go near it just for something LS related.

Your loss then, because gearing is just soooooo expensive is it.

You misunderstand, being kacked in PvP or WvW isn’t about the gear/repair cost, it is about feeling less than epic. In a RPG, we like to think of ourselves the “hero” of the story thus getting randomly kacked from some stranger you run into removes all fantasy barriers from the game to the PvE crowd.

Some people simply approach the game much differently than you do.

Why would u not challange yourself?

i don’t get the dislike for pvp

For me, it’s just not my cup of tea. It just isn’t fun for me and I can’t really tell you a specific reason why. I just know it’s not my favorite thing to do. I don’t dislike it, but I don’t like it.

If there is LS stuff in EOTM, I’d probably try it out. But if there were people simply there to grief people trying the LS for the sake of griefing them, I likely won’t do it.

1. I’m saving up for a legendary and I don’t need to be spending tons on repair bills.
2. No LS is fun enough to make up for the people who would grief me for trying it. Which would just turn the LS into massive amounts of frustration for me.

But I wouldn’t be one of the people who would come on the forums and complain about it. WvW is a PvP zone primarily and getting killed by other players is to be expected.

Martrim.1078:

…snip

Why would u not challange yourself?

i don’t get the dislike for pvp

Challenge is arbitrary at best, to some being in the top 10 of the leader boards is the only reason for existing. For others, like myself, I’m happy to just blow off a bit of steam killing the monsters of the wild while enjoying the scenery. The motives of players can shift drastically, hence it is a good thing we have so many choices in GW2.

They better have an amazing type I can’t live my game life without award before I trap myself in WvWvW or PvP for 2 weeks. I have skipped other content before that I didn’t like. I don’t mind doing it again.

Tommyknocker.6089:

aspirine.6852:

ShiningSquirrel.3751:

It’s easy, f they mix them, I just will not do the content. WvW/PvP sucks and I will not go near it just for something LS related.

Your loss then, because gearing is just soooooo expensive is it.

You misunderstand, being kacked in PvP or WvW isn’t about the gear/repair cost, it is about feeling less than epic. In a RPG, we like to think of ourselves the “hero” of the story thus getting randomly kacked from some stranger you run into removes all fantasy barriers from the game to the PvE crowd.

Some people simply approach the game much differently than you do.

i cant feel like a hero if i just do the faceroll living story content
after you have learned the basic mechanics pve is just too easy in my opinion

to me pvp feels more like a challenge and actually the only real place where i can really feel like a hero when winning vs a good player in a duel for example…

ofc you meet dozens of bad players there too and beating them doesnt feel heroic at all…
i for example never chase lowlvls because its no challenge and therefor no fun for me (ofc if they attack me or they are using siege i down/kill them but im talking more about roaming here anyway)
but if i just find 1 good duel for a day im happy

i understand though that you dont want to be ganked when not yet experienced with pvp yet… and i hope for you that anet chose a way where pve players can finish their living story without being ganked all the time

i personally never kill a pve player when i think i have one in front of me…
i like playing a bit with them and feeling a bit superior downing them and then running away and let them rally
makes me feels like im the almighty but so noble xDDDD

because i know just too well how stupid it was when to be ganked when still being a total pvp noob in gw2…

but on the other hand… if i had not been ganked numerous times in the obsidian jumping puzzle on my first tries it would have not felt like an achievement!!!

i felt much more like a hero when finally finishing this for the first time ages ago because i had to go through so much pvp which was harder than any pve content for me at that time

but if anet really makes the LS content in the pvp zone then you will have to go with a big group… im sure you can just make a post in the forums (player shelping players or ingame events) where you assemble players from your server who need to do it too…
then you just search a day where all/most of you have time and with many people it should be possible
it all depends on what exactly you have to do there ofc for the living story… :/

and maybe it was intended to bring more wvw players back to pve? ^^

Tommyknocker.6089:

Martrim.1078:

…snip

Why would u not challange yourself?

i don’t get the dislike for pvp

Challenge is arbitrary at best, to some being in the top 10 of the leader boards is the only reason for existing. For others, like myself, I’m happy to just blow off a bit of steam killing the monsters of the wild while enjoying the scenery. The motives of players can shift drastically, hence it is a good thing we have so many choices in GW2.

The motives are usualy the same. Like you said yourself, blowing offf steam by killing things in a virtual world. The reason that most do not like wvw/pvp is that they are affraid they get killed. Simple as that.

Orangensaft.7139:

and maybe it was intended to bring more wvw players back to pve? ^^

If anything I’d assume it was the reverse.
We’ve been told in posts before they’re trying to make WvWvW a “middle ground” for PvE and PvP folks to muck about in.

But I guess we’ll see on the release date and whatever is shown on the preview video stream later today.

I’m not really seeing how the EotM update won’t be anything but full WvW/open-PvP. Most game devs these days are former PK “elites” so they have that as a foundation for designing games. Pushing PvE players into unwanted PvP content is a common goal.

I can’t wait for the chance to ally with Scarlet against all those Marionette-bashers…
:)

Having a mix of PvE in a “PvP”-type map is pure genius. There are no open world PvP, only WvW or PvP. So by mixing PvE in a new optional (optional is the word) WvW map, we get a lot more challenge and fun content. Imagine a zerg of about 40 taking on a boss and getting cut by another zerg who also wants the kill and both sides fight to the death to get the kill.

Just thinking about it, I’m in heaven. We’ll have to see, but since nobody is forced to play it, I think it will work pretty well to have PvE-type content in a WvW environment. Can’t wait to try it out.

Why people talk like if there has never been PvE content in WvW? The living story always reaches WvW and all serious WvW players despise it.