Guild Wars 2

CMF.5461:

Here, I’m a failure story. I have played the game since launch with a break or two in the past six months. At most I think I had 300g, but that involved having excess gems from purchasing things like infinite pick axe or other temporary/seasonal items.

On average I hover around 50g in my pocket. right now I have 20g and it does not move very far.

I do not farm to any huge extent, I salvage everything as I am still farming mats. I upgrade full stacks to higher tiers when capped out on lower level mats.

I salvage yellows for ectos and bank or use them myself and I save exotics to try to mystic forge on the off chance for a precursor.

I have gotten a few random exotic items I was able to sell for short term boosts in gold, but nothing concrete.

I have “tried” to play the market. Flipping I fail at and investing never pays off, so I fail at understanding how to do it….buy low sell high? I use gw2spidy and look at trends, I buy low and sit on things but after a week or two I give up and sell it back to break even or minimize loss.

So I either need to farm for hours and do large community events, or I need to learn how to trading post better….or both

Majority of my time is spent in spvp and theory crafting builds.

Am I the average player, or is everyone else way better off than me?

you literally described the past year for me…

Wynne.3908:

It doesn’t matter to the average player WHY the things they want are so expensive. The point is the ‘good stuff’ in the game is FAR out of reach of the average player. Anything constructive to say to the OP at all? Are you concerned at the price of stuff?

The good stuff being what? Even the average player should have zero issue outfitting themselves in full exotic … is that not considered ‘good’ enough for you? Full exotic armor is 1-2% lower stats than Ascended. Are you seriously suggesting that if a player can’t get BiS gear, it’s not good? That sounds a little stupid if you ask me, considering all permanent content in this game was crushed in the gear you aren’t classifying as ‘good’.

Obtena.7952:

Wynne.3908:

It doesn’t matter to the average player WHY the things they want are so expensive. The point is the ‘good stuff’ in the game is FAR out of reach of the average player. Anything constructive to say to the OP at all? Are you concerned at the price of stuff?

The good stuff being what? Even the average player should have zero issue outfitting themselves in full exotic … is that not considered ‘good’ enough for you? Full exotic armor is 1-2% lower stats than Ascended. Are you seriously suggesting that if a player can’t get BiS gear, it’s not good? That sounds a little stupid if you ask me, considering all permanent content in this game was crushed in the gear you aren’t classifying as ‘good’.

You can do fine full exotic in PvE, ascended doesn’t matter in sPVP but it does matter in WvW. So if you’re into WvW you’re at a serious disadvantage if you (decked out in exotic gear) run into an opponent decked out in ascended gear – the weapons do A LOT more damage, the armor SET does a lot more + you get those nifty little infusion slots that you can use to add even more stats (depending on you using an offensive or defensive WvW infusion) – it’s not quite like infantryman vs tank but I always know then I am attacking an ascended player – I do a lot less damage and they hit a lot harder.

Obtena.7952:

Wynne.3908:

It doesn’t matter to the average player WHY the things they want are so expensive. The point is the ‘good stuff’ in the game is FAR out of reach of the average player. Anything constructive to say to the OP at all? Are you concerned at the price of stuff?

The good stuff being what? Even the average player should have zero issue outfitting themselves in full exotic … is that not considered ‘good’ enough for you? Full exotic armor is 1-2% lower stats than Ascended. Are you seriously suggesting that if a player can’t get BiS gear, it’s not good? That sounds a little stupid if you ask me, considering all permanent content in this game was crushed in the gear you aren’t classifying as ‘good’.

Not sure where you are getting your numbers. A full ascended zerker gear player does 20% more damage than the exact same zerker gear player in all exotics. The math was extensively discussed when ascended was first released.

You do not NEED ascended gear to complete any of the content in the game, however the difference IS significant.

I have Eternity, Bifrost, Dreamer and Kudzu.. And the secret is.. I have have never seen any value in the stats changing. Zerk or assassin, done. Ascended or exotics on my stack of alts.. Everything beyond the footfalls is a pointless rationalization of (y)our ego.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Obtena.7952:

Wynne.3908:

It doesn’t matter to the average player WHY the things they want are so expensive. The point is the ‘good stuff’ in the game is FAR out of reach of the average player. Anything constructive to say to the OP at all? Are you concerned at the price of stuff?

The good stuff being what? Even the average player should have zero issue outfitting themselves in full exotic … is that not considered ‘good’ enough for you? Full exotic armor is 1-2% lower stats than Ascended. Are you seriously suggesting that if a player can’t get BiS gear, it’s not good? That sounds a little stupid if you ask me, considering all permanent content in this game was crushed in the gear you aren’t classifying as ‘good’.

Not sure where you are getting your numbers. A full ascended zerker gear player does 20% more damage than the exact same zerker gear player in all exotics. The math was extensively discussed when ascended was first released.

You do not NEED ascended gear to complete any of the content in the game, however the difference IS significant.

Those number were before the crit damage change iirc so it’s lower now, the point still stands though. Ascended offers a tangible advantage over exotic that well exceeds 1%-2% The armor from a full set is already 4%-5% higher without even including the other stats.

I don’t even know why people are arguing whether Ascended gear is necessary. Progression is a huge part of MMO’s, people play them to progress and for their social aspects. Any sort of stat increase is progression and therefore a major feature of the game. Telling someone they don’t need that stat upgrade is basically saying don’t play an MMO because that same argument can be used. Why did you buy the game? Why did you level? Why did you get exotics? The answer is always the same, because you wanted to. You don’t need ascended just like you don’t need to play the game. Since RPG’s started it’s always been known that players want BIS stuff, it’s a tangible number showing your progression. It’s utterly stupid to say that players shouldn’t go after that whether it’s needed or not.

On another topic, I personally have 8 level 80’s and only a ascended rings on 3-4 of them and 2 amulets. The reason being that I did not want to grind crafting. I got like one profession up to 450 and that just made me hate the game. I’m also certainly not going to farm champs, dumgeons, etc for the materials to do it because if I wanted that level of grind I’d play an Asian MMO. I’m almost 100% sure you can get a hasla weapon in archeage faster than an ascended weapon in GW2. Honestly, of the 8 classes I have I like playing 5 (Thief, Necro, Warrior, Mesmer, Guardian). Each class I play has 2-3 sets of gear per class, that’s 10-15 different sets. I’m not even going to do the math on the amount of time farming/materials it would take me to get them all geared in ascended even if I liked crafting. It’s absolutely stupid. I mean considering a part of the game is about swapping out builds to suit the different parts of the game, having the stats behind such a ridiculous grind is counter-productive, which sums up GW2’s development progress.

Everything about ascended shows ArenaNet’s incompetence. They originally released ascended and a lot of players hated the whole idea, but they ignored that and implemented it anyway. Of course they only introduce them to fractals and players were mad at being forced to do fractals to get them, ArenaNet recognized(posted in a reddit Q&A) that having only 1 way of obtaining ascended items was dumb and promised to add more ways. They add the laurel system with time gating that completely screws people that run alts. Then they add guild missions that completely screw small guilds, the designer of said system tells those small guild players to suck it up and just join a big guild. Later they add smaller guild missions that still don’t solve the problem. Finally they add ascended weapons/armor and it’s the punchline. The only way to get them is crafting which not only flys in the face of them saying a single way is bad but also screws people that run alts because now you need to farm for all the different professions. It’s simply laughable.

HtFde.3856:

You can do fine full exotic in PvE, ascended doesn’t matter in sPVP but it does matter in WvW. So if you’re into WvW you’re at a serious disadvantage if you (decked out in exotic gear) run into an opponent decked out in ascended gear – the weapons do A LOT more damage, the armor SET does a lot more + you get those nifty little infusion slots that you can use to add even more stats (depending on you using an offensive or defensive WvW infusion) – it’s not quite like infantryman vs tank but I always know then I am attacking an ascended player – I do a lot less damage and they hit a lot harder.

Now see, that’s where I have a problem. YES the weapons give the damage advantage and yes in 1 vs. 1, odds are stacked against you …

… but that’s dependent on how the PLAYER decided to play. WvW is not all about 1 vs. 1 so if someone does get caught in a situation where they are at a disadvantage because of their gear, that’s their own fault.

Now, having said that, I don’t think it’s relevant to the discussion anyways because I think it’s understood that if someone plays casually and is average, Ascended gear will be harder to get for them than the hardcore player. Just because exotic doesn’t stack up to Ascended in WvW does not mean that ‘good gear’ is progressively out of reach. The whole thread is nonsense. Ascended gear is harder to get than exotic. That’s the always was, should be and will be. Inflation hasn’t changed that.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Obtena.7952:

Wynne.3908:

It doesn’t matter to the average player WHY the things they want are so expensive. The point is the ‘good stuff’ in the game is FAR out of reach of the average player. Anything constructive to say to the OP at all? Are you concerned at the price of stuff?

The good stuff being what? Even the average player should have zero issue outfitting themselves in full exotic … is that not considered ‘good’ enough for you? Full exotic armor is 1-2% lower stats than Ascended. Are you seriously suggesting that if a player can’t get BiS gear, it’s not good? That sounds a little stupid if you ask me, considering all permanent content in this game was crushed in the gear you aren’t classifying as ‘good’.

Not sure where you are getting your numbers. A full ascended zerker gear player does 20% more damage than the exact same zerker gear player in all exotics.

I didn’t say full ascended zerker … I said armor; I made that distinction because all the other ascended bits offer a reasonable return on players investment when armor does not. In the case of trinkets, obtained rather easily as well. The point of my post is that exotic gear is ‘good’ when the poster implied it was not. Even the OP complains he can’t get ‘nice things’ and admits he doesn’t play as much. Well … BiS gear doesn’t just fall in your lap buddy.

HtFde.3856:

BlueBoy.1236:

Ascended and legendaries are luxury items. It’s supposed to be expensive, and a long-term goal. That’s the reason why anet make it time-gated.

Take a look at ecto’s price instead. It’s relatively stable for the last 6 months. The gem price is maybe a bit out of control, compared to 2 years ago. But it happens to any gemstore/market store items in all mmos

If only they were … when, in WvW, you go 1:1 with you all in Exotic and your opponent all in Ascended …

They’re a “nice to have” in PvE, they’re obsolete in PvP but they DO play a major role in WvW … they should have made those just a skin …

lel, only bad players make that kind of excuses. Dodge, correct build and using the right skills at the right time are the things that matter in dueling.

Now go fight those (shameless) condi thieves in wvw with your awesome asc armor, see if it helps you.

Back to the topic, if indeed you feel there’s inflation happening, you should try other mmos, and see what a real inflation is. Almost all mmos out there are experiencing real inflation. You will see how ridiculously expensive some staple things like potions or food buffs are.

Stop saying that those items are far beyond the reach of casual players. I have lots of friends who only play during the weekend, and most of them have made their legendary in 4months of gameplay. If you don’t know how to save your gold, blame yourself not the economy.

Obtena.7952:

… but that’s dependent on how the PLAYER decided to play. WvW is not all about 1 vs. 1 so if someone does get caught in a situation where they are at a disadvantage because of their gear, that’s their own fault.

Yes, precisely. If you are not running ascended, it’s your own fault – because you really, really should have been.
Notice, how the person decked in ascended will never get caught in a situation when being in weaker gear will give him disadvantage.

BlueBoy.1236:

lel, only bad players make that kind of excuses. Dodge, correct build and using the right skills at the right time are the things that matter in dueling.

Bullkitten. All that things the other player can do as well. And he also has better damage than you. Yes, the advantage the ascended gear grants may not matter much if you are a significantly better player, but what if you are of similar level of skill? Or are you implying, that you should never engage opponents if you don’t have crushing advantage?

Astralporing.1957:

Obtena.7952:

… but that’s dependent on how the PLAYER decided to play. WvW is not all about 1 vs. 1 so if someone does get caught in a situation where they are at a disadvantage because of their gear, that’s their own fault.

Yes, precisely. If you are not running ascended, it’s your own fault – because you really, really should have been.
Notice, how the person decked in ascended will never get caught in a situation when being in weaker gear will give him disadvantage.

BlueBoy.1236:

lel, only bad players make that kind of excuses. Dodge, correct build and using the right skills at the right time are the things that matter in dueling.

Bullkitten. All that things the other player can do as well. And he also has better damage than you. Yes, the advantage the ascended gear grants may not matter much if you are a significantly better player, but what if you are of similar level of skill? Or are you implying, that you should never engage opponents if you don’t have crushing advantage?

yea a difference of 50 armors, 1%crit chance will definitely give me a “crushing” advantage.

Astralporing.1957:

Obtena.7952:

… but that’s dependent on how the PLAYER decided to play. WvW is not all about 1 vs. 1 so if someone does get caught in a situation where they are at a disadvantage because of their gear, that’s their own fault.

Yes, precisely. If you are not running ascended, it’s your own fault – because you really, really should have been.
Notice, how the person decked in ascended will never get caught in a situation when being in weaker gear will give him disadvantage.

That doesn’t indicate that you can’t be effective playing WvW in exotic armor, even against 1 vs. 1 with someone that has ascended armor. The difference in stats between exotic and ascended armor is so insignificant, even if you want to included infusions.

The only point that I will cede to you is that there is a significant difference in damage output between Ascended and Exotic weapons. That still doesn’t appear to me that anything about the current situation needs to change to make Ascended weapons more accessible. If a player can’t get Ascended, they should think about how that affects the way they play WvW. If they just run around and get owned by people using ascended or not, easier progression inot Ascended gear, especially weapons, won’t fix that.

This is a game not real life so their needs to be some sort of compromise and a player with a thousand hours or more of play has shown a certain amount of conviction to the game, has helped keep the game world populated and alive. Just because they haven’t farmed like mad specifically for a Legendary or ascended gear shouldnt mean they cant have one or have significant help to get just one character a legendary or full ascended gear.

It doesnt mean a player who has ground and farmed into the ground is devalued unless that player is looking for some sort of vain bragging rights. That player would also get the option after so many hours of gameplay to get the same benefit and therefore he wold have more than one of these very special items where most of us will only have ever one if we get help to get it.

Its distressing to see any one game encourage such an extreme unhealthy playtime on a computer that some players put in on an MMO.

Your point isn’t too clear to me but let me paraphrase what I think you say …

There should be some leniency to players in earning gear because of the fact that it’s a game that thrives on people playing it and keeping it going.

Well, GW2 does that with the EXCEPTION to ascended weapons. Ascended armor is barely better than exotic, benefiting the casual player since there is no need for them to get ascended over exotic.

Ascended trinkets are earned from guild missions, dailies or fractals, also benefiting the casual player that must choose content in their limited time.

GW2 definitely caters to the casual player more than any other MMO I’ve played.

My ranger main is in 100% ascended, from armor to jewelry to weapons. A choice, not a necessity. My six other characters are in exotics, except my necromancer has ascended weapons and an ascended chest piece. I have plenty of ascended matts (thank you, new zones!), but no pressing need to use them.

I’ve got 120g in the bank from some lucky drops selling in the TP. Usually, I hover around 20g.

I haven’t found any content where ascended is necessary (I don’t do fractals due to physical limitations). I have ascended on my main because I wanted it as a symbol of “best”, not because I needed it.

joneb.5679:

This is a game not real life so their needs to be some sort of compromise and a player with a thousand hours or more of play has shown a certain amount of conviction to the game, has helped keep the game world populated and alive. Just because they haven’t farmed like mad specifically for a Legendary or ascended gear shouldnt mean they cant have one or have significant help to get just one character a legendary or full ascended gear.

It doesnt mean a player who has ground and farmed into the ground is devalued unless that player is looking for some sort of vain bragging rights. That player would also get the option after so many hours of gameplay to get the same benefit and therefore he wold have more than one of these very special items where most of us will only have ever one if we get help to get it.

Its distressing to see any one game encourage such an extreme unhealthy playtime on a computer that some players put in on an MMO.

If you want a legendary do the work like everyone else has to to get one(aside from really rich people in rl, and those rng luky people which could possibly b u)…. u realize by making legendaries easier to get. Every person in this game will be running around with one. Then the legendary status is void, they are alrdy startign to become fairly common as is. If u cant put in the commitment to get one there are plenty of other great weapon options! And btw almost all of toons wear exotic zerk gear. I personally never felt the need to upgrade to ascended and im doing fine. 1000 hours of gameplay doesnt mean u deserve a legendary… I have played over 5000 hours and only have 1 so far. Currently working on the second. I never complained or asked for it to be easier i just did it. If you really want something to complain about try account bound rng. You can literally farm teq or fractals for the rest of your life and never get the weap u seek if luck isnt on your side. At least a legendary you put in the time and you get one forsure.

BlueBoy.1236:

Astralporing.1957:

Obtena.7952:

… but that’s dependent on how the PLAYER decided to play. WvW is not all about 1 vs. 1 so if someone does get caught in a situation where they are at a disadvantage because of their gear, that’s their own fault.

Yes, precisely. If you are not running ascended, it’s your own fault – because you really, really should have been.
Notice, how the person decked in ascended will never get caught in a situation when being in weaker gear will give him disadvantage.

BlueBoy.1236:

lel, only bad players make that kind of excuses. Dodge, correct build and using the right skills at the right time are the things that matter in dueling.

Bullkitten. All that things the other player can do as well. And he also has better damage than you. Yes, the advantage the ascended gear grants may not matter much if you are a significantly better player, but what if you are of similar level of skill? Or are you implying, that you should never engage opponents if you don’t have crushing advantage?

yea a difference of 50 armors, 1%crit chance will definitely give me a “crushing” advantage.

50 more armor per blow adds up. You’re essentially saying that wearing a soldiers helm is worthless because it only gives 50 toughness. Also you don’t account for the multiplicative nature of DD stats. You see there are skills that increase damage by a percent, if your base damage is higher than that means you get even more damage from the small stat increase. So a 10K backstab can become a 12k backstab. So while the stat increase is only 5%, the overall damage increase is closer to 20%(iirc). That is very tangible and can make or break fights. In a class that bursts it’s targets, I’d say 20% is a crushing advantage.

In order to progress, you must buy gems and convert them to Gold.

Distaste.4801:

BlueBoy.1236:

Astralporing.1957:

Obtena.7952:

… but that’s dependent on how the PLAYER decided to play. WvW is not all about 1 vs. 1 so if someone does get caught in a situation where they are at a disadvantage because of their gear, that’s their own fault.

Yes, precisely. If you are not running ascended, it’s your own fault – because you really, really should have been.
Notice, how the person decked in ascended will never get caught in a situation when being in weaker gear will give him disadvantage.

BlueBoy.1236:

lel, only bad players make that kind of excuses. Dodge, correct build and using the right skills at the right time are the things that matter in dueling.

Bullkitten. All that things the other player can do as well. And he also has better damage than you. Yes, the advantage the ascended gear grants may not matter much if you are a significantly better player, but what if you are of similar level of skill? Or are you implying, that you should never engage opponents if you don’t have crushing advantage?

yea a difference of 50 armors, 1%crit chance will definitely give me a “crushing” advantage.

50 more armor per blow adds up. You’re essentially saying that wearing a soldiers helm is worthless because it only gives 50 toughness. Also you don’t account for the multiplicative nature of DD stats. You see there are skills that increase damage by a percent, if your base damage is higher than that means you get even more damage from the small stat increase. So a 10K backstab can become a 12k backstab. So while the stat increase is only 5%, the overall damage increase is closer to 20%(iirc). That is very tangible and can make or break fights. In a class that bursts it’s targets, I’d say 20% is a crushing advantage.

lel, stop bringing pve numbers here. 20% inc dmg only works on full zerk on a trash mob (i don’t even knw where you got this number. lemme guess some random guy on reddit). Do you wanna knw the difference between full exo and full asc eviscerate dmg? 200-500. I bet it sounds a lot to you. But go ahead, you can use it as an excuse whenever you lose a duel.

Back to the topic, pls read this thread

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/I-have-a-question-about-the-economy

It has a pretty good information on how the economy works in gw2, and you should be reading it. From gem price, silk double standard, to your wildest economy imagination. kthxbye

In my opinion, the way heavy/medium armor vs light ascended armor is way imbalanced is not a good thing at all. I don’t really like that there is not a good way of getting Tier 4 materials either with linen running out of control.

I still remember swimming in silk, sure. But that double nerf of using triple the silk to turn into bolts and then double silk for just Damask was incredibly badly done. Sure, silk is “in a nice place” economy wise, but for anyone who wants to at least sort of progress at a steady pace in order to get Damask is potentially feeling very demotivated. It’s not fun at all, and it never has been.

Of course “in favor of the economy” changing the way silk is handled would maybe be a bad idea. But I don’t think I would care too much about that. (Personally I can see linen going up faster than silk ever will.) But it still doesn’t feel like silk or any other cloth is in a nice place.

OMNIBUS.2913:

joneb.5679:

This is a game not real life so their needs to be some sort of compromise and a player with a thousand hours or more of play has shown a certain amount of conviction to the game, has helped keep the game world populated and alive. Just because they haven’t farmed like mad specifically for a Legendary or ascended gear shouldnt mean they cant have one or have significant help to get just one character a legendary or full ascended gear.

It doesnt mean a player who has ground and farmed into the ground is devalued unless that player is looking for some sort of vain bragging rights. That player would also get the option after so many hours of gameplay to get the same benefit and therefore he wold have more than one of these very special items where most of us will only have ever one if we get help to get it.

Its distressing to see any one game encourage such an extreme unhealthy playtime on a computer that some players put in on an MMO.

If you want a legendary do the work like everyone else has to to get one(aside from really rich people in rl, and those rng luky people which could possibly b u)…. u realize by making legendaries easier to get. Every person in this game will be running around with one. Then the legendary status is void, they are alrdy startign to become fairly common as is. If u cant put in the commitment to get one there are plenty of other great weapon options! And btw almost all of toons wear exotic zerk gear. I personally never felt the need to upgrade to ascended and im doing fine. 1000 hours of gameplay doesnt mean u deserve a legendary… I have played over 5000 hours and only have 1 so far. Currently working on the second. I never complained or asked for it to be easier i just did it. If you really want something to complain about try account bound rng. You can literally farm teq or fractals for the rest of your life and never get the weap u seek if luck isnt on your side. At least a legendary you put in the time and you get one forsure.

You completely ignored my post and just spewed out the usual work for it lecture. Its a GAME!!! I work in real life. I have my priorities right.

BlueBoy.1236:

lel, stop bringing pve numbers here. 20% inc dmg only works on full zerk on a trash mob (i don’t even knw where you got this number. lemme guess some random guy on reddit).

Yeah, full zerk, on any living opponent (lower on structures, and some world bosses, as no crit damage). I calculated it on my own, it’s not that hard. And it’s actually slightly more than 20%, even after the Ferocity change.
For full soldier, it was about 11% dmg difference, if i remember that correctly.

I tend to find that I don’t really have anything to spend money on anymore

I’ve no interest in Legendaries or Ascended armor.. they just seem like a complete waste of time, effort, money and resources to me..

im not a farmer nor someone who gets a lot of good drops often and I find making gold to be a somewhat long process as well

but after 2 years of playing this game I’ve not really much need for gold anymore
I find myself just storing it up now because i’ve nothing to spend it on

I even account bound my Mini Karka a little while ago partly because I had no need for the money..
that mini is worth over 1100 gold right now and I still don’t care that I account bound it

all im trying to say is that Gw2 has a time limit when it comes to the usefulness of gold..
once you get to where a lot of us are and you have everything you really want.. Gold becomes almost a pointless resource

joneb.5679:

You completely ignored my post and just spewed out the usual work for it lecture. Its a GAME!!! I work in real life. I have my priorities right.

I addressed it actually, you want legendaries to be casual, we might as well not call them legendary anymore. I work in rl too and i still seemed to manage…GW2 is somethign i do on my relaxation time with my freinds and we are all building legendaries together as our goal. I have fun with it although it would be nice if some alternate ways to make money were added with rewards similar to dungeons. But by no means are any of us asking for it to be easier. Also if use the black lion trader you can save for your legendary without putting in a ton of hours. Why dont you try that instead of asking for the ez street. And real commitment to this game… I have been playing since gw1(nearly after it was released), guess i deserve 10 legendaries now by your standards

joneb.5679:

You completely ignored my post and just spewed out the usual work for it lecture. Its a GAME!!! I work in real life. I have my priorities right.

And what you do think? That everybody with a legendary don’t work? Don’t have real life, with wife, kids, friends, stuff to do in the house, etc?

Legendary are super easy if you set it as a goal. OH it will be a long term goal if you casually playing a couple times per week. But this game is out for the last two years. In my guild we have a wide range of ppl with legendary. From the super hardcore with 10 legendaries, to the casual that took a year to finally craft his first legendary.

I don’t know for everybody else, but in my guild EVERY single person with a legendary right now all said at one time : Legendary? That’s way too much work for me, i’ll never do one. And guess what, 3, 6 months later they find out that they have most of the material, map completion, and they just need a bit of effort in a specific direction to craft it. They all did the same. I said the same thing when I started. I laughed at those legendary and the amount of stuff, and now 2 years later i’m working on my 5th.

Guild help a lot with the process btw. For the fun, tips and for the speed.

pdavis.8031:

Oh i totally agree. However this game offers nothing that an average player cannot obtain. Ive gotten a full set of ascended and a legendary and working on a second set. For someone who doesnt play as much as a hard core player, it takes longer and you have to play more intentionally. When doing mine, as i said earlier, i only play about 24 hours a week. But was still able to get it. And thats the problem, peopel dont want to have to work for it, and seem to think that such things are beyond them but dont want to work for it.

Think about what you’re saying. You play the equivalent of a solid part-time job every week (24 hours a week!) and you were “still” able to gear up. That’s hard-core play. You play so much that your perspective has been skewed to the point that you still view 24 hours a week as casual play. Also, of course people don’t want to work for their in-game equipment. This is a game! We want to play. As soon as it starts feeling like work then I’d rather be working. When I’m working I’m rewarded with thousands of dollars a month for my effort. I then spend that money to play a game. I’m not going to spend that money to do another job!

Beldin.5498:

Since i played GW2 i have farmed maybe 20-25k gold in total, and i only have been
2 times in a dungeon.

How did you manage that? I farm Silverwastes about 15 hours a week and am still only sitting on 40 gold, half of which came from dungeon runs and/or guild missions. Granted, much of my acquired mats and gold goes into crafting and trait acquisition.

An important thing to keep in mind is that ascended is only useful in level 80 zones, the second you are downleveled to 79, you lose your ascended investment.

Bernie.8674:

pdavis.8031:

Oh i totally agree. However this game offers nothing that an average player cannot obtain. Ive gotten a full set of ascended and a legendary and working on a second set. For someone who doesnt play as much as a hard core player, it takes longer and you have to play more intentionally. When doing mine, as i said earlier, i only play about 24 hours a week. But was still able to get it. And thats the problem, peopel dont want to have to work for it, and seem to think that such things are beyond them but dont want to work for it.

Think about what you’re saying. You play the equivalent of a solid part-time job every week (24 hours a week!) and you were “still” able to gear up. That’s hard-core play. You play so much that your perspective has been skewed to the point that you still view 24 hours a week as casual play. Also, of course people don’t want to work for their in-game equipment. This is a game! We want to play. As soon as it starts feeling like work then I’d rather be working. When I’m working I’m rewarded with thousands of dollars a month for my effort. I then spend that money to play a game. I’m not going to spend that money to do another job!

I can understand that. But the average amount of time spent gaming in the US is 22 hours. So 24 hours a week, still makes me an average player :P

Bernie.8674:

pdavis.8031:

Oh i totally agree. However this game offers nothing that an average player cannot obtain. Ive gotten a full set of ascended and a legendary and working on a second set. For someone who doesnt play as much as a hard core player, it takes longer and you have to play more intentionally. When doing mine, as i said earlier, i only play about 24 hours a week. But was still able to get it. And thats the problem, peopel dont want to have to work for it, and seem to think that such things are beyond them but dont want to work for it.

Think about what you’re saying. You play the equivalent of a solid part-time job every week (24 hours a week!) and you were “still” able to gear up. That’s hard-core play. You play so much that your perspective has been skewed to the point that you still view 24 hours a week as casual play. Also, of course people don’t want to work for their in-game equipment. This is a game! We want to play. As soon as it starts feeling like work then I’d rather be working. When I’m working I’m rewarded with thousands of dollars a month for my effort. I then spend that money to play a game. I’m not going to spend that money to do another job!

Well most hobby take you that time. Back when I played hockey, i played a least 2 hours per day, 3-4 hours during the weekend. And that was only the time on ice, you could almost double that time in total.

Its not working, its a game. If you enjoy spending time on the game it doesn’t feel like work. If you can’t spent more than 10 hours a week in the game without feeling like its work, then just spend 10 hours. Nobody is forcing themselve into playing the game, this is just a stupid argument. Ppl spend the time they want to spend in any game. Some like to play more and other don’t.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Astralporing.1957:

BlueBoy.1236:

Ascended and legendaries are luxury items.

BiS is not a luxury.

Please point to the content that you can’t complete in exotics… if there is some content that is physically impossible to complete in full exotic gear then ascended is no longer a luxury but is required. Otherwise it is a luxury item.

High level fractals?

But you don’t have to play high level fractals!

Konig Des Todes.2086:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Astralporing.1957:

BlueBoy.1236:

Ascended and legendaries are luxury items.

BiS is not a luxury.

Please point to the content that you can’t complete in exotics… if there is some content that is physically impossible to complete in full exotic gear then ascended is no longer a luxury but is required. Otherwise it is a luxury item.

High level fractals?

get a +7 and +8 infusion on ring. That’s 20 gold. Get an fused backpiece 100 gold(mawdrey). Get one piece of armor. 70gold for zojja’s footwear.190 gold and you can do fractal 49.

It ain’t too bad. Fractal 49 isn’t much different compare to 50. That being said, having the ability to do 50 is easier to find a party.

Thaddeus.4891:

Its not working, its a game. If you enjoy spending time on the game it doesn’t feel like work. If you can’t spent more than 10 hours a week in the game without feeling like its work, then just spend 10 hours. Nobody is forcing themselve into playing the game, this is just a stupid argument. Ppl spend the time they want to spend in any game. Some like to play more and other don’t.

I agree. I had a discussion about inflation with one of my guildies who interned at ANet over the summer, and she took the position that anyone could make lots of gold in this game — provided that they engaged in an extremely repetitive activity like farming dungeons or farming Silverwastes. That caveat is the problem. Doing the same thing over and over ad naseum doesn’t feel fun to me. At that point the game crosses the line into the realm of work. That’s what I have issues with. If you want to play the game for fun you’re effectively priced out of crafting. Without crafting you can’t complete your ascended gear set. Without that you’re prevented from running high level fractals. This is a departure from the casual feel of the original game. In Guild Wars 1 I had to solo grind for cores to buy those optional sun-glasses, but I never had to grind for non-cosmetic reasons. I was able to 2-man everything except for the deep and the underworld. On two hours a night of non-repetitive play I was able to get almost all the achievements. Eventually I was finally down to repetitive, grindy tasks along the lines of:

• Farm a bazillion faction by waiting for your henchmen to complete the same quest over and over again
• Maintain an in-game buzz for a billion hours
• Stand in the luck circles for hours on end during festival events
• Repeatedly run dungeons for chest farming purposes

At that point the game stopped being fun and felt like a job. That’s why I quit without even looking back. May of this year, one of my old guild mates told me that the guild was still active in this game and that it was on sale. I picked it up, but now it seems that my guild has moved on to Archage, so I honestly don’t know how much longer I’ll be here. I get the distinct feeling that I got completely screwed by not playing this game from the get-go.

laokoko.7403:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Astralporing.1957:

BlueBoy.1236:

Ascended and legendaries are luxury items.

BiS is not a luxury.

Please point to the content that you can’t complete in exotics… if there is some content that is physically impossible to complete in full exotic gear then ascended is no longer a luxury but is required. Otherwise it is a luxury item.

High level fractals?

get a +7 and +8 infusion on ring. That’s 20 gold. Get an fused backpiece 100 gold(mawdrey). Get one piece of armor. 70gold for zojja’s footwear.190 gold and you can do fractal 49.

It ain’t too bad. Fractal 49 isn’t much different compare to 50. That being said, having the ability to do 50 is easier to find a party.

That’s pretty funny, considering that I, as a new player, have 40 gold to my name, several traits to buy, and a ton of crafts remaining to max. The fact that these items you’re talking about are going for 190 gold indicate that they are, perhaps, not as much of a luxury as was suggested.

joneb.5679:

OMNIBUS.2913:

joneb.5679:

This is a game not real life so their needs to be some sort of compromise and a player with a thousand hours or more of play has shown a certain amount of conviction to the game, has helped keep the game world populated and alive. Just because they haven’t farmed like mad specifically for a Legendary or ascended gear shouldnt mean they cant have one or have significant help to get just one character a legendary or full ascended gear.

It doesnt mean a player who has ground and farmed into the ground is devalued unless that player is looking for some sort of vain bragging rights. That player would also get the option after so many hours of gameplay to get the same benefit and therefore he wold have more than one of these very special items where most of us will only have ever one if we get help to get it.

Its distressing to see any one game encourage such an extreme unhealthy playtime on a computer that some players put in on an MMO.

If you want a legendary do the work like everyone else has to to get one(aside from really rich people in rl, and those rng luky people which could possibly b u)…. u realize by making legendaries easier to get. Every person in this game will be running around with one. Then the legendary status is void, they are alrdy startign to become fairly common as is. If u cant put in the commitment to get one there are plenty of other great weapon options! And btw almost all of toons wear exotic zerk gear. I personally never felt the need to upgrade to ascended and im doing fine. 1000 hours of gameplay doesnt mean u deserve a legendary… I have played over 5000 hours and only have 1 so far. Currently working on the second. I never complained or asked for it to be easier i just did it. If you really want something to complain about try account bound rng. You can literally farm teq or fractals for the rest of your life and never get the weap u seek if luck isnt on your side. At least a legendary you put in the time and you get one forsure.

You completely ignored my post and just spewed out the usual work for it lecture. Its a GAME!!! I work in real life. I have my priorities right.

Your post read like if someone’s /age reached a certain hour mark they should just be gifted a legendary! So yea, OMNIBUS’s post was addressing your post and I fully agree with it. A Legendary should have to be earned. And given it’s a Legendary it should mean that not everyone will have one and it will be a rarer item in the game. A lot of people have Ascended and below and that’s intended. A lot fewer people have legendary weapons. And that’s working as intended.

They wouldn’t be legendary if everyone has one.

And this is coming from someone who doesn’t exceed 10 hours a week in GW2 and is working toward a legendary. My trip up isn’t the gold required. I’ll get the gold for the precursor eventually. Or I’ll get one as a drop either the right one or one I can sell.

But I’ll be VERY VERY upset with ANet if they start handing out legendaries for no work. Where those who just stand around in game and chat can “earn” one for just standing around and chatting. Not very legendary. I’d honestly DELETE the legendary that was given to me for having a /age higher than a certain amount. That’s how strongly I support the you must work to earn your legendary position.

@ Bernie
Well everybody is different. I don’t like either to do repetitive stuff. I play a bit of everything. Play sPvP, i have WvW raid with another guild, i do guild missions with my main guild, I do the living story with my friends, I do dungeon when i want (I did 1 path per week during 3 months, but now I’m getting back into dungeon lately), I like to run Silverwaste from time to time (I tag up with my friend, start a chest run and complete the breach), etc. When i really want more gold i do more repeatitive content so I can get that thing faster, but other time I take it slow. It will take longer to get the item, but I won’t force me into a specific part of the game if I don’t have fun. You can make good amount of gold without doing repetitive stuff. Of course if you want to have the maximum of gold possible, only 1 best way to make gold can exist whatever Anet does, so ya it will be repetitive.

Conserning Fractal. High Level Fractal is not content. Its a more challenging mode, but you can experience all the content in lower level. Just by doing fractals, daily and guild missions its super easy to reach 45 AR and get up to level 39. You are not limited in the content you can complete because of Ascended.

Thaddeus.4891:

joneb.5679:

You completely ignored my post and just spewed out the usual work for it lecture. Its a GAME!!! I work in real life. I have my priorities right.

And what you do think? That everybody with a legendary don’t work? Don’t have real life, with wife, kids, friends, stuff to do in the house, etc?

Legendary are super easy if you set it as a goal. OH it will be a long term goal if you casually playing a couple times per week. But this game is out for the last two years. In my guild we have a wide range of ppl with legendary. From the super hardcore with 10 legendaries, to the casual that took a year to finally craft his first legendary.

I don’t know for everybody else, but in my guild EVERY single person with a legendary right now all said at one time : Legendary? That’s way too much work for me, i’ll never do one. And guess what, 3, 6 months later they find out that they have most of the material, map completion, and they just need a bit of effort in a specific direction to craft it. They all did the same. I said the same thing when I started. I laughed at those legendary and the amount of stuff, and now 2 years later i’m working on my 5th.

Guild help a lot with the process btw. For the fun, tips and for the speed.

This – What Thaddeus says….

Games do reflect RL in that some things are just not easy to get. I got over 3500 hours in, do I feel entitled to a precursor or legendary or an easier way to get it because of that? No.

Until recently it was not something I was even particularly interested in. However, once I had accomplished the things in game I wanted and looked at a lot of my materials, I realized it could be another goal to work towards. Hubby and I eventually bought our precursors (another goal we worked towards over time) and are now working on the rest of the materials for the Legendary. It will not be overnight nor would I want it to be.

When I made Mawdry II I was so proud of the work and the patience it took for that. That is when I realized making a Legendary was doable. You set your goals, plan out your course and make your way to your goal. It doesn’t have to be a grind, you can deviate to do something else for a bit as well. RL works like that too.

BlueBoy.1236:

Ascended and legendaries are luxury items. It’s supposed to be expensive, and a long-term goal. That’s the reason why anet make it time-gated.

+1

I don’t fully understand how people can whine about not being able to have everything they want — NOW. Ascended and Legendary items are supposed to take time. Its so sad that people demand every aspect of this game to be available for them today and for very little.

Mireles Lore.5942:

In-game rewards such as dungeons or looted coin and real world money converted from gems into gold. In other words gold that doesn’t come from a player and is created out of thin digital air. A concept that escapes alot of people is that base line in-game rewards will always be “lackluster”. They are the base-line of how fast gold is created making it the base-line of the rate inflation. The barrier to entry to farm/speed clear is low, almost anyone can pick it up and do it. Its the minimum wage job of gw2. Kicking the value of these rewards up will only inflate the currency until you are right back to where the reward was in the first place, lackluster.

Actually gold from gems originally came from players buying gems with gold, gold the at one point was dropped in game. That’s the point of the exchange and it’s asymmetrical rates.

It looks like this thread has been largely focused on endgame stuff, but I was stunned the other night when I went to upgrade to level 35 greens and saw the price.

http://www.gw2spidy.com/item/10939

I don’t remember leveling greens running anything near that expensive when I leveled my first batch of characters.

Gibson.4036:

It looks like this thread has been largely focused on endgame stuff, but I was stunned the other night when I went to upgrade to level 35 greens and saw the price.

http://www.gw2spidy.com/item/10939

I don’t remember leveling greens running anything near that expensive when I leveled my first batch of characters.

Think about what they salvage into.

Just to make it clear to everyoneand not you in particular if you work and have a partner and kids then devote time to them not daft amounts of time in a video game. I have a friend who loves video games but because he works and has a wife and a child his time is nearly all taken. He has a little time to play casually some less demanding games on occasion but its few and far between and his work and family do take most of his time. He also has his priorities right.

If you and your partner have no children and both play the game then you have advantages over lots of other people whose partners dont play and rightly want them to spend their time in the real world with them. The problem with most people is a huge amount of ignorance. If you enjoy playing a game to spend crazy time in it “working” fine but it deserves no reward. Just like if you like sky diving into a bucket of water you dont desreve a reward either just a padded cell.

There are people who are always willing to go to outrageous lengths to do many things in life. That doesn’t mean its either sensible or advisable. Every danger sport player who dies for his sport I feel no sympathy for but for his poor family and friends who he has left mourning. Just because there are people who have devoted their lives to collecting every stamp in the whole wide planet and universe and finds it relatively easy doesnt mean a stamp collector who hasnt done so is lazy or wants his stamps for no effort.

If someone wants to spend stupid amounts of time in a video game thats fine but the game should not be building itself around this.

DO the right thing Anet and increase exotics to the stat levels of legendaries and ascended. Lets see who begin to whine about the difference in stats being unimportant.

joneb.5679:

Just to make it clear to everyoneand not you in particular if you work and have a partner and kids then devote time to them not daft amounts of time in a video game. I have a friend who loves video games but because he works and has a wife and a child his time is nearly all taken. He has a little time to play casually some less demanding games on occasion but its few and far between and his work and family do take most of his time. He also has his priorities right.

If you and your partner have no children and both play the game then you have advantages over lots of other people whose partners dont play and rightly want them to spend their time in the real world with them. The problem with most people is a huge amount of ignorance. If you enjoy playing a game to spend crazy time in it “working” fine but it deserves no reward. Just like if you like sky diving into a bucket of water you dont desreve a reward either just a padded cell.

There are people who are always willing to go to outrageous lengths to do many things in life. That doesn’t mean its either sensible or advisable. Every danger sport player who dies for his sport I feel no sympathy for but for his poor family and friends who he has left mourning. Just because there are people who have devoted their lives to collecting every stamp in the whole wide planet and universe and finds it relatively easy doesnt mean a stamp collector who hasnt done so is lazy or wants his stamps for no effort.

If someone wants to spend stupid amounts of time in a video game thats fine but the game should not be building itself around this.

DO the right thing Anet and increase exotics to the stat levels of legendaries and ascended. Lets see who begin to whine about the difference in stats being unimportant.

So ANet is not supposed to have any content designed for the hard core player who does play the game for several hours a day?!

That’s what the legendary weapons are for.

Ascended gear is not required for the level of content that casuals with low amount of time in the game are likely to do. They aren’t likely to be roaming in WvW (they’ll be more protected in the zerg from the imbalance in stats), they aren’t likely to be doing high level fractals where the AR ability of Ascended kicks in.

In my opinion, you just want everyone to get everything in the game at launch because that’s the ONLY way to make things balanced between those who play for several hours a day and those who can only manage a few hours a week.

Ascended gear was DESIGNED to take time to obtain. Because ANet felt that EXOTIC gear was obtained TOO QUICKLY. But they realized that there were casual players who didn’t have the time to really dedicate to getting Ascended gear. So they designed it such that it would not affect those players too much.

Legendary weapons are designed to be a LONG TERM goal. Not something obtained quickly. Now, could precursors use some work to make them more easily obtained, yes. But not to the degree that everyone and their mother has one or has a legendary or two or three.

Bernie.8674:

laokoko.7403:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Astralporing.1957:

BlueBoy.1236:

Ascended and legendaries are luxury items.

BiS is not a luxury.

Please point to the content that you can’t complete in exotics… if there is some content that is physically impossible to complete in full exotic gear then ascended is no longer a luxury but is required. Otherwise it is a luxury item.

High level fractals?

get a +7 and +8 infusion on ring. That’s 20 gold. Get an fused backpiece 100 gold(mawdrey). Get one piece of armor. 70gold for zojja’s footwear.190 gold and you can do fractal 49.

It ain’t too bad. Fractal 49 isn’t much different compare to 50. That being said, having the ability to do 50 is easier to find a party.

That’s pretty funny, considering that I, as a new player, have 40 gold to my name, several traits to buy, and a ton of crafts remaining to max. The fact that these items you’re talking about are going for 190 gold indicate that they are, perhaps, not as much of a luxury as was suggested.

You make money by just playing the game(beside spvp…).

If you hardly play why do you even care? You do know you need to do 49 fractal to actaully reach level49. Not to mention fractal 50 is almost same as fractal lvl1 except monster hit harder.

You probably wont’ even be playing if doing things rewards you with no money.

You make 190 gold by just playing 60 hours.

Seera.5916:

joneb.5679:

Just to make it clear to everyoneand not you in particular if you work and have a partner and kids then devote time to them not daft amounts of time in a video game. I have a friend who loves video games but because he works and has a wife and a child his time is nearly all taken. He has a little time to play casually some less demanding games on occasion but its few and far between and his work and family do take most of his time. He also has his priorities right.

If you and your partner have no children and both play the game then you have advantages over lots of other people whose partners dont play and rightly want them to spend their time in the real world with them. The problem with most people is a huge amount of ignorance. If you enjoy playing a game to spend crazy time in it “working” fine but it deserves no reward. Just like if you like sky diving into a bucket of water you dont desreve a reward either just a padded cell.

There are people who are always willing to go to outrageous lengths to do many things in life. That doesn’t mean its either sensible or advisable. Every danger sport player who dies for his sport I feel no sympathy for but for his poor family and friends who he has left mourning. Just because there are people who have devoted their lives to collecting every stamp in the whole wide planet and universe and finds it relatively easy doesnt mean a stamp collector who hasnt done so is lazy or wants his stamps for no effort.

If someone wants to spend stupid amounts of time in a video game thats fine but the game should not be building itself around this.

DO the right thing Anet and increase exotics to the stat levels of legendaries and ascended. Lets see who begin to whine about the difference in stats being unimportant.

So ANet is not supposed to have any content designed for the hard core player who does play the game for several hours a day?!

That’s what the legendary weapons are for.

Ascended gear is not required for the level of content that casuals with low amount of time in the game are likely to do. They aren’t likely to be roaming in WvW (they’ll be more protected in the zerg from the imbalance in stats), they aren’t likely to be doing high level fractals where the AR ability of Ascended kicks in.

In my opinion, you just want everyone to get everything in the game at launch because that’s the ONLY way to make things balanced between those who play for several hours a day and those who can only manage a few hours a week.

Ascended gear was DESIGNED to take time to obtain. Because ANet felt that EXOTIC gear was obtained TOO QUICKLY. But they realized that there were casual players who didn’t have the time to really dedicate to getting Ascended gear. So they designed it such that it would not affect those players too much.

Legendary weapons are designed to be a LONG TERM goal. Not something obtained quickly. Now, could precursors use some work to make them more easily obtained, yes. But not to the degree that everyone and their mother has one or has a legendary or two or three.

I don’t think an MMO is the type of game for him. He’d probably find it more enjoyable to play games like Skyrim or Dragon Age which are less demanding for those with little time to play.

I dont know what stuff some of you guys are on. When I started this game at the very release the guild I was in was supposed to be casual yet players who thought of themselves as casual had gotten to 7500 achievement points in much less than a year if i mind right.

I have got 10k achievement points now from doing a huge variety of things in this game instead of grinding or farming the same or similar stuff for certain ingredients. There are many players of these games who just need to get a life outside it. Really. If you want to play this game with some sort of mad hard core philosophy or think casual means you only spend 5 hours a day every day fine but you only deserve a straitjacket not a legendary or anything else. I did play this game quite obsessively at start so im not immune to this either but i managed to get clean. Get the addiction out my system. I advise you all do.

The exception are people who are ill or disabled, who may be housebound and who just have more time anyway they are unable to fill otherwise and the game is a nice way for them to do it.

I may have only been playing MMOs for 8 years but the commenst that MMOS arent for me is so ignorant its unbelieveable. Its always the first comment that comes out when someone complains. If I could I would split at a moment to other newer mmo games but my computer sucks big time, my hardware and my windows vista 32 bit

here are some precursors that cost about/less than 100g for those that want a legend that doesnt have a high cost pre:

https://www.gw2tp.com/item/29179-rage
https://www.gw2tp.com/item/29183-venom
https://www.gw2tp.com/item/29171-carcharias
https://www.gw2tp.com/item/29182-rodgorts-flame

just FYI

Bernie.8674:

laokoko.7403:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Astralporing.1957:

BlueBoy.1236:

Ascended and legendaries are luxury items.

BiS is not a luxury.

Please point to the content that you can’t complete in exotics… if there is some content that is physically impossible to complete in full exotic gear then ascended is no longer a luxury but is required. Otherwise it is a luxury item.

High level fractals?

get a +7 and +8 infusion on ring. That’s 20 gold. Get an fused backpiece 100 gold(mawdrey). Get one piece of armor. 70gold for zojja’s footwear.190 gold and you can do fractal 49.

It ain’t too bad. Fractal 49 isn’t much different compare to 50. That being said, having the ability to do 50 is easier to find a party.

That’s pretty funny, considering that I, as a new player, have 40 gold to my name, several traits to buy, and a ton of crafts remaining to max. The fact that these items you’re talking about are going for 190 gold indicate that they are, perhaps, not as much of a luxury as was suggested.

What’s funny here is that you as a new player think high level fractals are relevant to you.

Obtena.7952:

Bernie.8674:

laokoko.7403:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Astralporing.1957:

BlueBoy.1236:

Ascended and legendaries are luxury items.

BiS is not a luxury.

Please point to the content that you can’t complete in exotics… if there is some content that is physically impossible to complete in full exotic gear then ascended is no longer a luxury but is required. Otherwise it is a luxury item.

High level fractals?

get a +7 and +8 infusion on ring. That’s 20 gold. Get an fused backpiece 100 gold(mawdrey). Get one piece of armor. 70gold for zojja’s footwear.190 gold and you can do fractal 49.

It ain’t too bad. Fractal 49 isn’t much different compare to 50. That being said, having the ability to do 50 is easier to find a party.

That’s pretty funny, considering that I, as a new player, have 40 gold to my name, several traits to buy, and a ton of crafts remaining to max. The fact that these items you’re talking about are going for 190 gold indicate that they are, perhaps, not as much of a luxury as was suggested.

What’s funny here is that you as a new player think high level fractals are relevant to you.

What’s funny here is that even after playing several hours a night for seven months straight I’m still considered a new player in a game that was billed casual-friendly. If I had invested a comparable amount of time into a grindy game like WoW I would be ready to jump into Mythic raiding by now. Just sayin’…