Guild Wars 2

And here I was planning to level crafting to make celestial gear. Guess I should just let it be and save the gold?

Cassius.4831:

As an altoholic with 8 characters (and wanting to create new ones when new professions/races appear), I hope you (ANET) think about us when you finally implement this.

I know, this is not GW1 (this is a new game, blah blah blah, I got it) but i miss a lot how easy was to change my build there and to dress up all my characters. Here, everytime some new content appears (as Liadri) I regret that I purchased this armor instead another one (for instance, applying new rune set implies destroying the old one or the armor). If we are so punished equipping and changing our characters with exotics, I can only be terrified of thinking about this same thing with ascended items (more expensive or – please don’t do this – time gated). And, since I have 8 characters, I feel punished x8.

My thoughts exactly. It feels almost as if they had taken everyting I loved about Guild Wars 1 and flushed it down the toilet. Then they began writing gw2.

Viking Jorun.5413:

Astralporing.1957:

He likely had hope that they realized how bad decision introducing ascended was, and that they won’t follow through with it to the bitter end.
Just as some people still have hope that ascended really will be the end of item progression.

I don’t understand why there is still any doubt. It’s been explicitly stated on countless occasions that they don’t plan on releasing any tiers above ascended stats. Ascended was a missing link between exotic and legendary. There won’t be more.

Explicitly stated? Where? All they had said is that they don’t have any new tier in plans at the moment, that there will be no new tier this year, and that they will never add a new tier every 3 months. All the “explicit” statements were always tied with qualificators that made them far less definite that you’d believe. As far as the new tiers are concerned, there were only two definite statements – one that they can’t promise ascended will be the last one, and that they do intend to continue item progression.

If there comes any gear after Ascended, I’m out. I love this game, and I’m a fanboy sometimes, but really, that would be it.

Anyone thinks that someone who has masterwork/rare vs someone will perform, statistically, the same as someone with legendary, is naive. If theres a 5-8% difference with ascended from exotic, theres going to be even more with legendary. Get real people.

How people can get rage so up over things, that aren’t set in stone, just by overreacting on speculations from others is way beyond me ….

If this, if that …
Could people stay here please for once at the straight facts that are clear???
Ascendend Weapons will come, as like Armory, same goes for legendary Armory and other legendary gear like backpieces, aquabreathers/accessoires ect….

After that there’s point ever being mentioned by ANet, that they will bring any kind of other new gear tiers after Ascendend especially with the fact, that this tier would be then stronger than Ascendend.

Even if they bring another tier, who says that another tier after ascendend must be stronger than these???

I for example suggested once the implementation of so called “Epic” Weapons, which would be same as strong as ascendend weapons, just with the difference, that epic weapons have unique animated looks and add instead of special feet trail effects unique execution move animations.

There could be also “Sagacious” Weapons, also same as strong as ascendant weapons only with the difference, that these weapons could be only crafted and start “Nameless” and could be given a name by the player and any skin except legendary weapon ones if they get thrown together with materials for the skin into the mystic forge…

Theres many possibilities to add more qualities between ascendent/legendary, without that there must be always a stat increase.
Just adding new functionalities , which make those quality types different are more than enough

However, I believe, these kinds of qualities will never come, because addin new kinds of qualities will always mean, that the other equipment and items need to follow, especially armors and accessoires ect.

cesmode.4257:

If theres a 5-8% difference with ascended from exotic, theres going to be even more with legendary. Get real people.

Legendary weapons won’t be stronger than ascendend weapons. They will be same as strong. Anet has said this already multiple times.
Ascendend weapons will be stronger than exotics and Anet will automatically change legendary weapon powers to those of the ascendend weapons, once they are there.
And sorrx, the rest of your post was absolutely not understandable for me :/

The only question left open there is, is only how much more ascendent weapons/armors will be really more powerful compared to exotic stuff.

If an exotic Sword for example has currently 905-1000 Damage Range and the Ascendent versions have then something like 1250-1500, then I’d say thats way too much and the new items would definetely break the whole game then..

But if the ascendend weapons have only something like 955-1100 for swords, then this wouldn’t bee too much and as said, every legendary weapon in regard of swords would receive automatically with the implementation of ascendend weapons the same stats.

ColinJohanson.2394:

You won’t see legendary armor any time soon, you will see Ascended Armor in 2013 for sure though, yes.

I’m sorry Colin, I know it’s a business and $$$ must be made, but you Arenanet guys have lost your minds—I’m sorry… Please do not call this Guild Wars. I suggest you rename the game immediately. I may only be one guy, but all I do is log on to GW2 and run around Lions Arch for 5 minutes. With this new model, there is nothing in this game that I’m looking forward to. I’m in the process of looking for a new game, although I admit, with limited success. GW2 could of been the next big thing—I personally don’t see it going anywhere in its current state. Good luck.

^ And yet it is one of the most successful games released the last few years.

lordkrall.7241:

^ And yet it is one of the most successful games released the last few years.

Conjuring and Paranormal Activity series is getting rave reviews. What’s your point? I admit this game is better than anything else, but the problem is they went against their manifesto and are starting to be more conventional now—they are not thinking outside-the-box—this is no longer revolutionary. It’s a standard MMO… It was supposed to be something much bigger. This was their time to shine.

Cesmode, you’ve missed out on how Legendary stats work: same as best in slot, but with stats you can switch on the fly… So by this system, it will not offer any better protection than ascended, but will have versatility. Of course, it’s still at least 4+ months before the end of 2013, so it’s not coming that soon.

If you’re already disliking the game enough to threaten quitting again, why not take a break for a few months and see how you feel about Tyria, then. It might alleviate the stress this game causes you and enable you to evaluate from a fresh perspective.

… and if there are new tiers of armour and tougher baddies, well, you’ll know you made a good chose. If there aren’t, you may feel invigorated to jump back into the fray.

Gild Wars 1 was a very successful game, without a “gear grind,” why would they want to change that now, in the heels of this game’s record setting success? Something must be going right!

Thanks for the hands on responses in the forum, Mr. J. It must take a thick skin to survive the daily onslaught of the angry vocal minority.

Can we get an official response on this? I’m tired of defending ArenaNet only to have the naysayers speculate and tell us that we’re getting a gear treadmill no matter what the developers themselves have said in interviews by taking things out of context. Something definitive needs to be said by someone with credibility.

Viking Jorun.5413:

Can we get an official response on this? I’m tired of defending ArenaNet only to have the naysayers speculate and tell us that we’re getting a gear treadmill no matter what the developers themselves have said in interviews by taking things out of context. Something definitive needs to be said by someone with credibility.

The main issue is that they can’t really say: “We will never ever in any way or form do this” because if they do and in 5 years decide to add it people will dig up this thread and shout about ArenaNet lying.

ColinJohanson.2394:

You won’t see legendary armor any time soon, you will see Ascended Armor in 2013 for sure though, yes.

So we can expect screenshots? Hey you said see, you didn’t say it would be added to the live game lol Sorry I’ve been around these games too long … :P

I fear for WvW … Already there is a difference between those with full ascended items and those with lowly exotics and now the gulf will get even wider…

I know WvW is about more than stats but someone in full ascended gear vs someone in exotics would be a huge mismatch (if ascended armour follows the same stat boost as the trinkets)

basically WvW ascended gear or stay in pve :-(

Budchgon.2108:

I fear for WvW … Already there is a difference between those with full ascended items and those with lowly exotics and now the gulf will get even wider…

I know WvW is about more than stats but someone in full ascended gear vs someone in exotics would be a huge mismatch (if ascended armour follows the same stat boost as the trinkets)

basically WvW ascended gear or stay in pve :-(

And yet the leap between Rare and Exotic is bigger, not to mention Mastercraft and exotic, and yet it is fully possible to run around and be useful using both Mastercraft and Rare items in WvW.

lordkrall.7241:

Budchgon.2108:

I fear for WvW … Already there is a difference between those with full ascended items and those with lowly exotics and now the gulf will get even wider…

I know WvW is about more than stats but someone in full ascended gear vs someone in exotics would be a huge mismatch (if ascended armour follows the same stat boost as the trinkets)

basically WvW ascended gear or stay in pve :-(

And yet the leap between Rare and Exotic is bigger, not to mention Mastercraft and exotic, and yet it is fully possible to run around and be useful using both Mastercraft and Rare items in WvW.

ummm… you’ve failed to understand anything. gj.

Onshidesigns.1069:

Aberrant.6749:

Onshidesigns.1069:

Aberrant.6749:

Cassius.4831:

As an altoholic with 8 characters (and wanting to create new ones when new professions/races appear), I hope you (ANET) think about us when you finally implement this.

I know, this is not GW1 (this is a new game, blah blah blah, I got it) but i miss a lot how easy was to change my build there and to dress up all my characters. Here, everytime some new content appears (as Liadri) I regret that I purchased this armor instead another one (for instance, applying new rune set implies destroying the old one or the armor). If we are so punished equipping and changing our characters with exotics, I can only be terrified of thinking about this same thing with ascended items (more expensive or – please don’t do this – time gated). And, since I have 8 characters, I feel punished x8.

I have 5 80’s and feel the same way. Hopefully they’ll take the players who paid extra gems to get extra character slots into consideration and make them more easily obtainable than the ascended jewelry (say through crafting).

STILL no ascended backs outside of fractals btw… other than the 1 karka back (one per account and has stats that few want)./

There are many back pieces that can be transmuted to ascended.

Orly, so the wiki is just out of date then?

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/List_of_ascended_equipment#Back_items

Please tell me more

You can take a ascended back and have the stats transferred to say a quaggan back.

We have too many back skins released in a short time.

That’s not at all what I was talking about.

I was talking about acquiring the ascended back items in the first place… hence the part about the karka stats and not skins. I know how to use transmutation stones/skins etc.

It’s a very limited area in the game where you can acquire them. I’m hoping the new ascended armors won’t be so very limited.

Even now with laurels etc. acquiring jewelry for all my 80’s is hard without doing fractals. People paid extra to get more slots for characters etc. and now have a harder time gearing them up. The worst of all of them is the back item which you still need to go do fractals for even if you’re crafting it and spending a bunch on T6 mats.

None of that seems right to me.

If it was a reasonable gold sink or I could trade WvW badges for the ascended armor, then I would be ok with it… but still not happy about it. Looking at their past actions though it doesn’t look promising in this regard.

Wait wait wait wait wait. Didnt anet state previously that there will be nothing ascended-like except jewels/back? And now even legendary will have ascended stats? Another way to make people get back to good ol’ grind? You did like that people are farming cof so you wanna make it into Grind Wars 2? What are you thinking with?

Gervhart.4035:

Wait wait wait wait wait. Didnt anet state previously that there will be nothing ascended-like except jewels/back? And now even legendary will have ascended stats? Another way to make people get back to good ol’ grind? You did like that people are farming cof so you wanna make it into Grind Wars 2? What are you thinking with?

No.
They made it very clear back when they announced Ascended Gear that there WILL be items for all slots in time.

Legendaries will have ascended stats simply because Legendaries should always be on par with the highest tier. And it would be increased until Ascended weapons are added.

Pray For Kosmos.5849:

ummm… you’ve failed to understand anything. gj.

Please help me understand then.
I was under the impression that the post I quoted was being annoyed by the fact that Ascended gear could be used in WvW and that it would imbalance it. And I commented about it with the fact that the leaps between already existing gear sets are bigger and yet it is fully possible to be competitive with even lower tier items.

lordkrall.7241:

Gervhart.4035:

Wait wait wait wait wait. Didnt anet state previously that there will be nothing ascended-like except jewels/back? And now even legendary will have ascended stats? Another way to make people get back to good ol’ grind? You did like that people are farming cof so you wanna make it into Grind Wars 2? What are you thinking with?

No.
They made it very clear back when they announced Ascended Gear that there WILL be items for all slots in time.

Legendaries will have ascended stats simply because Legendaries should always be on par with the highest tier. And it would be increased until Ascended weapons are added.

So to have best stats in wvw/pve you will need to grind for legendary weapon and ascended armor. Gear threadmill, no thanks, ill better go and play something else if this thing comes out.

By the way if someone will give a link to Vayne’s Manifesto Clarification thread, i will be very very very gratefull.

Pray For Kosmos.5849:

ColinJohanson.2394:

You won’t see legendary armor any time soon, you will see Ascended Armor in 2013 for sure though, yes.

I’m sorry Colin, I know it’s a business and $$$ must be made, but you Arenanet guys have lost your minds—I’m sorry… Please do not call this Guild Wars. I suggest you rename the game immediately. I may only be one guy, but all I do is log on to GW2 and run around Lions Arch for 5 minutes. With this new model, there is nothing in this game that I’m looking forward to. I’m in the process of looking for a new game, although I admit, with limited success. GW2 could of been the next big thing—I personally don’t see it going anywhere in its current state. Good luck.

I’ve turned towards single-player games for the time being. In a few months we’ll have tons of new games coming out and IF arenanet hasn’t changed into a huge gear and farming treadmill by then, who knows, might come back.

lordkrall.7241:

And I commented about it with the fact that the leaps between already existing gear sets are bigger and yet it is fully possible to be competitive with even lower tier items.

Yes, it is possible. So what? It’s entirely possible for an unarmed person to take down someone with a sword, or a gun. This doesn’t mean that weapons do not confer a significant advantage.

Gervhart.4035:

So to have best stats in wvw/pve you will need to grind for legendary weapon and ascended armor. Gear threadmill, no thanks, ill better go and play something else if this thing comes out.

No. To have the best stats you will need to get ASCENDED weapons and armor. Legendaries will NEVER be stronger than the strongest tier.

A gear threadmill would be if they added more and more tiers every few months, that is clearly no the case (at least not yet). And usually it also follows the fact that the rest of the game gets harder to “force” people to get the highest tier gear in order to even beat stuff. That is clearly not the case in GW2 since the game and it’s encounters is still fully possible to do with already existing tiers.

“LFM Zerkers only! Must have Ascended Armors, Ascended Accessories, Legendary Weapons and Legendary food! Must have 10k AP, Experienced PING Gear! or kick!!!”

oh i cant wait to see people post this in lfg!

You forgot “GUARDIAN ONLY NO RANGERS”

ColinJohanson.2394:

You won’t see legendary armor any time soon, you will see Ascended Armor in 2013 for sure though, yes.

So basicly You gonna introduce a gear trademil yes? Introducing ascended type of gear was a bad idea at all. The game that was suppose to be unique and different from standards, You’ve became another EQ, WoW clone with the same gear trademil, grind and farm.

I kittenin love this game and decisions like this pierce my heart, i loved the philosophy where the skill (proffesion knowledge, timing, spacing etc.) was more important than gear. Now we will have a situation where You won’t be able to do particular content, cuz u have no appropriate gear even if You have enough skill.

I don’t like this idea.

But i guess whiners have won, those who want to transform this game into another generic…ehh ;/

They introduced the gear treadmill with the very first ascended item, so it stands to reason that they are going to continually update that system. Adding more ascended items like weapons and armor is a given and has been since the first. After that, they will continually update in the years to come. We already know that ascended items take significant time to acquire, so I figure players will need to take this fact into account with more gear on the horizon.

Thats why i said introducing ascended was a bad idea in general

We need ascended bags with 21 slots! And legendary bags that have either 20/21 slots depending on the current maximum and can be switched between equipment/safe/craftings mats on the fly!

Hahahah
/15chars

http://heartofthorns.guildwars2.com/game/raids/

I don’t understand. It’s not a gear treadmill. Legendary armor will have the same stats as ascended. The only difference being, as with weapons, that you can change stats on the legendary armor. This is not going to be any BETTER than the gear we have now. Just a different look. However, you may save some gold by making legendary over ascended so you never have to change your gear. That’s not a treadmill. Stop the hyperbole!!

ozmaniandevil.6805:

I don’t understand. It’s not a gear treadmill. Legendary armor will have the same stats as ascended. The only difference being, as with weapons, that you can change stats on the legendary armor. This is not going to be any BETTER than the gear we have now. Just a different look. However, you may save some gold by making legendary over ascended so you never have to change your gear. That’s not a treadmill. Stop the hyperbole!!

Kind of did stop the hyperbole in this thread a couple of years ago, no?

dat redpost necro doe

:D gotta do what they want you to do and use existing threads instead of making new ones ;D