Guild Wars 2

I just rolled one last weekend (now at 8 professions). I’m now at level 33 still face palming anything around me. Axe+Shield and just the Warhorn in offhand on my second weapon set. Traits went mostly into toughness and precision so far.

The Healing signet (regen) is just insanely good.
I just went through a level 36 story line step with the vigil (at 33) and wasn’t even close to be downed.

Don’t try this on light armor classes …

no, warrior isnt OP and healing signet is pretty bad. i prefer other healing skills.

When it comes down to just what you can do and how fast you can do it against the game’s AI, yeah probably.

It doesn’t really matter much though. Quite honestly everything is easy with all 8 classes. Warrior’s just the easiest.

Most of my 8 chars are around level 60 atm. My newly created Warrior and my Mesmer are around 30-35. The toughest class to play in PvE (but probably also the most fun) so far seems to be the Thief.

But I love playing aThief. No matter how fragile we are.

I’ve played every class but Guardian so far, in PvE and PvP.

I am sort of confused by the Warrior class; it does everything so well and so easily compared to the others.

Playing the Warrior feels sort of like playing with a handicap boost. It performs as well or better than every other class, but does it twice as easily and hassle-free.

It actually makes me sad, because it both makes me want and not want to play one for all the wrong reasons.

xlion.3065:

I just rolled one last weekend (now at 8 professions). I’m now at level 33 still face palming anything around me. Axe+Shield and just the Warhorn in offhand on my second weapon set. Traits went mostly into toughness and precision so far.

The Healing signet (regen) is just insanely good.
I just went through a level 36 story line step with the vigil (at 33) and wasn’t even close to be downed.

Don’t try this on light armor classes …

So just because you are able to do this,havent even maxed out warrior,its an OP class..? Come on now..I think warrior is nothing close to being OP if you ask me,especially in pvp they lack a few important things.

Caedmon.6798:

So just because you are able to do this,havent even maxed out warrior,its an OP class..? Come on now..I think warrior is nothing close to being OP if you ask me,especially in pvp they lack a few important things.

Well, I said PvE not PvP, because I haven’t played sPvP on my warrior yet.
I admit that I can only compare up to level 30-35 and I’m obviously more experienced now than I was when I created my first character (necromancer), but …

… up to now everything is significantly easier on my warrior than on any other class (guardian coming the closest. Also heavy armor. Maybe that’s the key).

Part of this threat is me asking, if it stays the same until level 80.

My Mesmer (still a lot of fun to play) is extremely squishy compared to my warrior.
Though it might get better, as soon as I can get the two traits that grant me regeneration and protection from my phantasms.

[I’m leveling up my Warrior and my Mesmer in parallel going through the same zones in Human (Mesmer) and Charr (Warrior) areas. Benchmarking!]

There are quite a few situations (especially in personal story) where it’s extremely hard (if not impossible) to attack from a distance. This and the fact that melee attacks do a lot more damage than ranged attacks seems to favour heavy armor classes.

Finally, to make it clear. I’m not whining about “light armor” classes and I’m not calling for a “heavy armor” nerf. I very much enjoy playing every class. They all have very unique mechanics which is nice, because it will keep the game “fresh” for quite a while.

I leveled my warrior sending most of the game in areas/story missions 4 or 5 levels above me still able to take on 3 mobs at a time. Can’t do that on my ele, thief or engineer.

Yes, you can basically autoattack your way to success through the first 40 levels.

If you run a signet build on a warrior, you’ll absolutely wreck at low levels. The class balances out pretty well at 80 though, and healing signet ends up being pretty trash compared to the other heals when you’re facing tough content. Mesmer by contrast is a late blooming class that is dreadfully boring for the first 40 levels (at least in my opinion). Mesmer picks up towards end game, while warrior loses its huge edge. They’re two very different beasts.

I’d like to think that it has more to do with the fact that you’re now having played all 8 classes and having put so much time into the game. It isn’t that the Warrior is OP, but that your skill has at the game has increased. I played a warrior as my first character and some story paths were just absolutely punishing.

i thought that as well but i thought less of the warrior when i got him up between 60 and 70 actually seems not as good at that stage compared to other chars but im still not sure about traits might have traited him wrong which could explain my problem

PVE Warrior: unquestionably the best and most balanced pve class in the game.
PVP Warrior: Nobody plays one, lacks survivability (go figure) and oh crap moment abilities, no clear role in pvp and all professions can do everything better than a warrior.

PVE Mesmer: difficult to play AI always knows which is the real you very squishy.
PVP Mesmer: easy I win abilities and tons of oh crap moment abilities no one really knows which is the real you, tons of survivability (go figure)

There you have it.

Yes, warrior is very OP in pve… at low levels (especially with signets and the precision trait)

In the 50+ range though it really comes back down though. It’s still… “simple”… but it’s not so overpowering. In that you can’t just auto attack 4-5 mobs dead in 4 or 5 swings with little to zero chance of dying. You still kill easy stuff faster than others, but you feel weaker against harder encounters. My 80 ele or 55 mesmer both feel like they can take on and win (or at least survive) far harder situations than my 70 warrior, but even a couple risen thrall feel like more work for them.

I don’t think it’s a problem. Some days you feel like playing something really involved. Other days you just want to smash stuff. The variety is good for the game.

The only thing that should really be changed is the precision trait that gives you an absolute amount of precision per signet regardless of level. At 80 it’s a small amount of crit. At level 20 it’s like 100%. Just change it to something like 3% crit per unused signet instead of 40 precision.

Togashi Jack.9531:

I’d like to think that it has more to do with the fact that you’re now having played all 8 classes and having put so much time into the game. It isn’t that the Warrior is OP, but that your skill has at the game has increased. I played a warrior as my first character and some story paths were just absolutely punishing.

I’d like to think that this is the case. I have four characters. Ranger, mesmer, warrior, and guardian. The warrior was my first, and I died a lot in the beginning with him. I don’t die on the ranger and mesmer, no matter how many aggros my wife draws and dies on me.

OP, I am curious as to how you find the guardian. I felt the same way about my guardian that you do with your warrior.

If you call Warrior OP in PVE don’t even bother trying a guardian I did and it was face roll easy, doing lv16 story while I myself was barely lv7 fighting multiple mobs including elites and winning, this was b4 the nerf to retaliation and the overall GS nerfs.

The kind of stuff I could pull off with a guardian in PVE I could never pull them off with my warrior ever !

so the nerf to GS was well deserved.

Even after GS nerfs I still find the class face roll easy in PVE !

xlion.3065:

The toughest class to play in PvE (but probably also the most fun) so far seems to be the Thief.

But I love playing aThief. No matter how fragile we are.

I actually find my Mesmer to be harder than my Thief by quite a wide margin. I think it speaks to the fact that different people have different classes that are easy or difficult for them. What is easy for me, may be difficult for you and vice versa. Sometimes you just click with a class and its mechanics and sometimes you don’t.

Warior aint OP, it is just easier to play.

rtommaso.3120:

Warior aint OP, it is just easier to play.

As a level 80 Warrior, this statement is true for about the first 60 levels. After that things do get a lot harder and dont seem as easy as when you first started out. Also trying to find the right traits for a balance.
To many traits towards one or two lines and you become a glass canon. Going the other route and it takes forever to kill something. Heck…having 31k HP isn’t so bad….I just let the DPS people go to town when I’m taking the damage while in a group.

Usually Warriors in most games are the easiest to play, thus their more less for “Beginners”, and people who aren’t well experienced in mmorpg’s, or any other game for that matter, just usually play a warrior, where everything seems “Easy”.

Honestly though, I don’t see why people are complaining about classes in PvE though. Essentially everyone is working together for the same cause, whether it be an event or a dungeon, would you go into a dungeon “If” the warriors were debuffed, or downgraded? Probably not, then you’d think “Well this class sucks too much, why’d I even pick a warrior if I can’t get into a dungeon?”, and vice-verse.

Honestly, ArenaNet NEEDS to stop focusing on downgrading, and balancing classes in PvE, really, they’re simply taking the easy way out of the game by not adding separate traits for PvP, and PvE.

Personally, so many of the classes that have gotten changed just are no fun to play PvE now. I remember back in the Beta testing phases, I loved being a Mesmer, there was absolutely nothing wrong with any of the classes PvE wise, until they started making all these changes. I’ll admit. “Some” of the changes were pretty decent. Such as the Warrior using his spear underwter and hitting multiple targets. But when a class like the Mesmer gets screwed over, or the Necro PvE wise, it makes me, and probably some others, why ArenaNet couldn’t have just “Not” taken the easy way out, and set skills/stats/traits separate from PvP, and PvE.

Of course this is simply my opinion, and I know that skills can be changed separately from Pvp-Pve, this is shown in Diablo 3 (Didn’t play that game for long), but in the Arena (PvP), all the stats were changed a bit, and they didn’t provide any useless, or unwanted changes in PvE, they simply thought to themselves, “What are people going to enjoy more, and what will balance out the game?” thus, diff stats/skills were changed specifically for the Arena.

I do agree about some classes being Overpowered in PvP, but honestly why are people complaining about PvP? ArenaNet has obviously shown us they don’t give a kitten about the community, they don’t seem to listen, and blatantly make changes without asking the community first.

Again, this is just my opinion. Don’t complain about PvE, everyone is working together, and if we see changes to PvE, we know we see changes to PvP, thus making even more people then there have been, leave Guild Wars 2.

Warrior signets (and probably all signets in general) scale ridiculously well at low levels.

I assume this is what you mean; don’t get used to it, because they’ll start dropping off quickly (especially the combination of the precision signet with the bonus precision per unused signet trait).

Also, since when does PvE count for anything? We’re so far past the point where difficulty of leveling was justification for endgame potency I can’t help but laugh at the concept. Every class can level easily; every class can excel in PvE.

Signet builds are op at low levels due to the missing scaling, when this gets fixed eventually they’ll still be strong but not as “frontloaded” as they appear now.

That being said, my second best experience while levelling actually was with my thief. When you can routinely pull and destroy 5 mobs as high as 9 levels above you, that does say something. Granted, it doesn’t work on ranged mobs, but still, pretty neat. =)

Warriors and Guardions are so easy and fast. You can literally jump in the middle of a mob pack and shred them down with a greatsword.

I’d rant about it, but game kitten anyway there’s not much balance.

Sometimes when farming in cursed shore certain warriors piss me off. There are some that run pure dps instead of MF and ruin things for everyone with their whirling axe. In my opinion, d/d elementalist (which I run) is still best for tagging all mobs on a consistent basis (due to low aoe cooldowns and multitasking mob groups with glyph of storms), but no class is quite as infuriating as dps axe warriors when it comes to melting a single tightly packed group of mobs by themselves before anybody else can react. It’s complete overkill when it comes to tagging (you can do 1/10 the damage and still get kill credit), but ends up denying other players loot while sabotaging your own drops (due to lack of MF).

it certainly is easy. I played an eng, a guard and an ele for at least 16 levels and have never encountered such an easy leveling method than a warrior. Heck, my uplevel’d warrior at wvw can do more spike damage than my level 80 eng in full exotics! (level 5/6 vs lvl 80, ofc my eng spec is tanky-based and p/s)

At 40 now. The trait to give you flat +40 precision for every unused signet(still running with 3 total) is wearing off.
Whoever designed that trait must have been nuts anyway.

Still face smashing though … :-)

so it’s only effective up to a certain level? Hmm….

Well, flat +40 precision is HUGE at lower levels (you can get easily to around 60% crit chance), but obviously not so much at level 80.

This trait is just wrong as it is right now. It should scale with level.

Undertow.2389:

You still kill easy stuff faster than others, but you feel weaker against harder encounters.

Exactly. Warriors don’t really have active defense skills comparable to some of the other classes. My warrior can probably take 3-5 times as many hits as my thief, but my thief is much better for avoiding getting hit altogether — which is the superior strategy in harder encounters.

I distinctly remember certain skill points I had to get help with on my warrior that I was able to solo on the mesmer. Though killing trash mobs is easier on Warrior. I find them equally fun to play in pve and wvw

ASP.8093:

Undertow.2389:

You still kill easy stuff faster than others, but you feel weaker against harder encounters.

Exactly. Warriors don’t really have active defense skills comparable to some of the other classes. My warrior can probably take 3-5 times as many hits as my thief, but my thief is much better for avoiding getting hit altogether — which is the superior strategy in harder encounters.

hmm, I’ve got skill 5 on my shield (Shield Stance: 3 seconds of blocking) and skill 5 on my warhorn (Call To Arms: 10s Vigor + 6.5s weakness). I really don’t fell naked, defensively. :-)

Undertow.2389:

Yes, warrior is very OP in pve… at low levels (especially with signets and the precision trait)

This.

My warrior is still low (32?) but that signet trait is just broken. I’m at 92% crit chance, while wearing whatever random gear has dropped — most of which is very outdated for the level.

That trait should scale better at lower levels.

Lol OP, I think you meant faceroll not facepalm.

Rukia.4802:

Lol OP, I think you meant faceroll not facepalm.

yep, you are right. kitten happens. hehe.

Well, there’s also a lot of facepalming in GW2 :p

If you think that PvE is too easy, make it level 40 and go to CM dungeon. You will be down many times, I promise

But doing the story line with recommended level is kinda easy, I agree.

Warrior in Cursed Shores fights 10 Risen at once only with extreme awareness, tactics based on high levels of game knowledge, and accurate reflex and response.

Mesmer in Cursed Shores fights 10 Risen at once by spamming illusions, teleports, and AOE until it all dies, almost without even paying attention.

Some classes aren’t as lucky as either at fighting large groups of Risen solo, but there are still some that can.

At low levels, sure, Warrior is a little easier but it’s also just as easy to bite off more than you can chew because you don’t really have the tools to deal with too much aggro other than running away. Some other classes can be more forgiving in that regard if you study their mechanics and learn how to really play them.

A mesmer spamming AoE? Interesting.

Warrior, Anet love child since Gw1…nothing new.

Warrior is PvE easy mode. I find them so incredibly boring though that I can’t take advantage of it…

Naturally the only class I can enjoy is the ele, who happens to be one of the weaker ones at the moment.

LVL80 Warrior’s can hit 20k+ easily with Hundred Blades in exotics (that are NOT built for glass cannon). They’re amazing at PVE. Bring a Warrior into a group with Hundred Blades. Then, remove them and do the instance again. It will go slower. I’ve seen it happen countless of times. Not many classes can fill the DPS gap a Greatsword warrior will leave behind in a Dungeon.

As I’m leveling my Mesmer and my Warrior in parallel through the same zones I am able to compare. My warrior (at 40) is kitten good in killing trash fast, but against tougher opponents and given enough room my Mesmer (with greatsword and sword+pistol) clearly wins.

Haven’t done any dungeons yet, but I guess the warrior is good at burning down adds very fast, while a Mesmer would stay on the boss keeping him busy with all those illusions.

What confuses me a bit is that sometimes the game AI simply knows who is the real Mesmer (they go after me) and sometimes not (I can let the illusions tank).