Guild Wars 2

Edit: Later I made two posts (the one with the bold text and the one after that) that explain my point better than this one. Please read them and please stop raging on the 30 minutes in CoF. A good run takes 10 minutes for me too, but this is not at all what this is about.

[The following post is to be read in a friendly and calm tone of voice.]

The initial idea of Microtransactions was that there are those with more money than time (p.e. mid- and upper-level employees) and those with more time than money (p.e. students).

I feel that, being in the time > money-category, I have to work quite a lot for my gold.
Now, of course I should have to put in effort go gain something, but I think the effort required is too high.

A cultural T3 costs 112 gold.
Assuming that I play this game with…you know…my friends and the characters they want to play rather than a 1337-PvX-BUILDCHECK-GEARCHECK!!!!-group, a run of CoF gives me something around 80 silver and takes about half an hour. (Sometimes less, sometimes more, depending on the setup of the group.)
So it takes me roughly three literal days of gameplay (70 hours) to get a level 60 (from 80) armour of the 3rd-highest rarity. (I understand that it is mainly for looks, but I’d count that as an argument to be even cheaper.)
Provided, of course, that I never spend money on repairs, or waypoints, or salvage kits or…well, playing the game.
And provided, of course, that I find a group that works. (Random people, random luck.)

Maybe I could go elsewhere, for example farm in Orr.
But I do not wish to do so. I wish to explore the entire map while enjoying it, and Orr is in the very south; so I won’t go there and spoil(er) my fun because I need to earn money.
CoF is the, from what I gather, most-chosen method to farm gold.
This has the following implication: If you play Guild Wars 2 in a varied way (read: play all the different contents, read: play the game), it is not rewarding enough to allow you access to the content (items, gems) you fancy. Rather you feel pressured to engage in a monotone repetitive action (grind).

I started playing the game properly in January. I bought exotic gear for one character (~35gold), two skins (~70 gold) and a bank slot (~30 gold).
Now I have 135 gold. (=240-105)
I made 240 gold in seven months.
You can elaborate that I don’t farm the right way, that I’m a noob, etc.
But I play the game very regularly. Every day, for hours; as it is the activity I use to relax when I come home and drop onto my sofa.
So since seven months I play the game for hours every day, including dungeon runs, and now I have enough money to buy ONE one-time-use armour skin (i.e. Cultural T3).
That is time I’ll never get back. And I cannot say that I enjoyed every second of it.

Please put this post into your consideration. Thank you.

Assuming that I play this game with…you know…my friends and the characters they want to play rather than a 1337-PvX-BUILDCHECK-GEARCHECK!!!!-group

You think you’re being funny, but you’re not.

a run of CoF gives me something around 80 silver and takes about half an hour.

I have no idea why a CoF p1 run would take anyone that long unless they literally sat and stared at the screen for 20 minutes.

Gold is easy to make in this game, just run a lot of CoF p1, CoE 1/2/3 and world bosses. If you don’t want to do that, suck it up and realise it’s going to take you longer to get the gold you want.

I make plenty of money just playing the game. You don’t have to farm CoF path 1 to make money. You don’t have to farm Orr to make money.

You do have to have some idea of how to make money, but it’s not really all that difficult.

As for cultural armor, let me just say this. Cultural armor is meant to be an end game goal for a difficult achievement. You’re not supposed to be able to buy it easily or quickly. And since you don’t need to, why is it a problem?

colesy.8490:

Assuming that I play this game with…you know…my friends and the characters they want to play rather than a 1337-PvX-BUILDCHECK-GEARCHECK!!!!-group

You think you’re being funny, but you’re not.

I’m being descriptive.

I’m being descriptive.

Let’s see.

1337

Nope.

PvX

Nope.

BUILDCHECK

Nope.

GEARCHECK

Yes.

Closest I’ve seen to “buildcheck” is a request for experienced only, or no noobs. Everything else, well you just sound mad at people wanting specialised groups. This anti-good build mentality this forum has is a plague that needs to be eradicated.

Did you know that you can make decent money by playing minigames? Who’da thunk.

Seriously ?

I won’t make any remark about CoF p1 lasting 30 minutes because the previous post already did it, but seriously I don’t see how you could get only a hundred or so gold in seven months.
I’m not a hardcore player (I have ~800 hours played sinced release), I don’t play the TP, I don’t farm CoF : I just play the game normally, doing what I feel like to do whenever I feel like to without considering too much the reward. But, honestly, since release I guess I’ve earned already a couple thousand gold (without even being extremly lucky on drops : no precursor).
Gold is really easy to come by, everything you do rewards you with gold. Try to sell everything you get on the TP but do it smartly (don’t hoard it if you don’t need it but don’t sell it immediatly if it is likely to increase in price, don’t sell on demand), salvage rares with the appropriate tools to get ectos (and you get TONS of rares in this game : fractals, dungeons, boss chests…)
With the recent acheivement chests, it’s even easier to get gold: they just hand it to you for whatever you have done so far.

No, seriously I don’t think gold is hard to get. By playing the game normally and simply being smart with what you buy/sell, you can be rich really easily in this game.

Right, as a final word on this matter from my side, I’ll start by quote-editing your former post:

colesy.8490:

I’m being descriptive.

Let’s see.

1337

I read that.

PvX

I read that.

BUILDCHECK

I read that.

GEARCHECK

I read that.

Closest I’ve seen to “buildcheck” is a request for experienced only, or no noobs. Everything else, well you just sound mad at people wanting specialised groups.

Every single one of these terms has been used by players to describe themselves. (Given, 1337 is rare.)
I am not mad at those people, and I didn’t think I sounded mad either. I wanted to underline that the people who have the most amount of currency are those who undergo exceptional efforts of coördination within restricted parameters (gear, builds) in oder to achieve a setup where they can earn the gold they need for their fancy desires.
The point behind this being to show that there are people who feel the need to do so in order to access the more desirable items.
I see the gap between the earnings of restricted/dedicated farm groups (who can do CoF in 6 minutes) and a non-coördinated group of friends (20 minutes is the normal time for that dungeon where I play) to be big enough to warrant a mention, contrasted to Arenanet’s aim to let you play the game in any group-setup you like.

As a note on being mad: Had you followed my instruction of reading the post in a calm and friendly tone, I wouldn’t have sounded mad at all.

Let’s put 3 things in consideration here:
1/ 80 silver in half an hour COF1 is bad. If you know what you’re doing you should get a few gold.

2/ is it really appropriate that a mere 3 days farm could get you top tier armor? Maybe that’s a bit fast?

3/ 240gp in this time with the amount of time you play is just bad. I’m really sorry but you simply spent too much. If you hunted some bosses or sold your bank materials you’d have far more.

Forst.5863:

A cultural T3 costs 112 gold.
Assuming that I play this game with…you know…my friends and the characters they want to play rather than a 1337-PvX-BUILDCHECK-GEARCHECK!!!!-group, a run of CoF gives me something around 80 silver and takes about half an hour.

Stopped reading.

You’re purposely being inefficient then complaining about your inefficiency. Whatever argument you might have had is completely lost here.

Why did you edit my post?

I see the gap between the earnings of restricted/dedicated farm groups (who can do CoF in 6 minutes) and a non-coördinated group of friends (20 minutes is the normal time for that dungeon where I play) to be big enough to warrant a mention,

If it takes you 20 minutes, stop using bad gear and being bad players, simple as. My very first CoF p1 run took like 8 minutes and that wasn’t even in a specialised group with proper gear.

contrasted to Arenanet’s aim to let you play the game in any group-setup you like.

You can, just don’t expect to complete anything fast if you’re all in magic find gear.

I think you guys are being too kitten Forst. Not everyone wants to rush dungeons. Personally, we rush paths from time to time but I think it is too bad to end dungeons like this.
What Forst is trying to say is that the game encourages you in farming/rushing dungeons and all. Not just doing the dungeons with your friend the classical way.
It isn’t HARD to win gold, but it might be if you play the “classical” way, play the game the way it was meant to be played, not abuse every weakness you can find in a dungeon.
That’s my opinion, no need to be agressive. Thank you.

Minos.3450:

I’m not a hardcore player (I have ~800 hours played sinced release), I don’t play the TP, I don’t farm CoF : I just play the game normally, doing what I feel like to do whenever I feel like to without considering too much the reward. But, honestly, since release I guess I’ve earned already a couple thousand gold (without even being extremly lucky on drops : no precursor).

900 hours, five alts, four rare sets and one exotic set to my name, fourty gold in the bank.
What am I doing wrong?

Heitrem.2861:

I think you guys are being too kitten Forst. Not everyone wants to rush dungeons. Personally, we rush paths from time to time but I think it is too bad to end dungeons like this.
What Forst is trying to say is that the game encourages you in farming/rushing dungeons and all. Not just doing the dungeons with your friend the classical way.
It isn’t HARD to win gold, but it might be if you play the “classical” way, play the game the way it was meant to be played, not abuse every weakness you can find in a dungeon.
That’s my opinion, no need to be agressive. Thank you.

What Forst is trying to say is that he wants to be lazy but still earn a ton of gold.

That just won’t happen.

What being lazy is winning ton of gold by running through all the mobs in a dungeon in 6 min.

I think people are massively missing (and proving) my point. So I will make it again in a clearer statement:

Casual gameplay is not rewarding enough given the policy-aims Arenanet stated.

I do understand, and agree, that a superior effort of coördination should be rewarded. I do not want to have gold shoved up my behind.

Yes, if I do CoF with a group of people who know what they are doing, I can do CoF in 10 minutes (skipping the bridge-part of the content) and make 3 gold.
But I happen to have a lot of friends, who happen to have a lot of friends, and many of them are new to the dungeon. If 3 people don’t know what’s going on, how the rocks roll etc., it takes longer, end of story.
“Do not play with your friends” does not seem to be the proper solution to that.
Let me illustrate you why I find it noteworthy to make this point in Guild Wars 2

1. Arenanet rescaled the events to encourage high level players to discover low level areas.
However, farming in Orr is much more rewarding than farming in Brisbane. Farming CoF P1 is more rewarding than farming SE.
This might as well be, but given that Arenanet wants to encourage low level content to be replayed, it seems counterproductive. [edit: …to have too big a gap.]

2. I am not given the liberty to create my own build. I have 5/3+2 weapon skills (one set per weapon), I have a heal skill, I have 3 slot skills, I have an elite. And I have no choice about that.
I used to have a free choice from 465 skills to be put into 8 slots.
I am being restricted that much because Arenanet (as they said!) does not want to give players the option to make a build below a certain level of quality.
So I see it to be a fair point, to question whether we should then be allowed to have a dungeon run below a certain level of reward. When I am not allowed to make a 3-skill-run build, I don’t want to be allowed to only earn 80 silver in half an hour.

When I play, I do not sit on my kitten and stare at walls.
I use most contents. I run dungeons, I do WvW, I do events in the world, I do the special arenas. I simply play the game.

As said, you may call me an noob and say I’m bad at earning gold. (And you certainly did.)

But I’m good at playing the game the way I enjoy it.
And that way is rather unrewarding.

Forst.5863:

But I’m good at playing the game the way I enjoy it.
And that way is rather unrewarding.

The reward would be fun, enjoying the game. I’m rather good at doing triathlons, but it’s unrewarding financially (not to mention it costs money to one).

At my job, on the other hand, I prefer to be efficient to get the rewards.

Forst.5863:

So since seven months I play the game for hours every day, including dungeon runs, and now I have enough money to buy ONE one-time-use armour skin (i.e. Cultural T3).
That is time I’ll never get back. And I cannot say that I enjoyed every second of it.

Hmmm. Would more money really bring you more enjoyment? There really is something to the old adage “Money doesn’t buy you happiness.”

Instead of fretting over money issues, consider what you do in this game that brings you enjoyment. Choose to spend the time that you never get back doing the things that you enjoy. You’ve chosen to play with your friends one particular way. You understand that this path is less than what the fastest route is. This is a tradeoff. You should enjoy your runs with your friends and just accept that you aren’t maximizing your money for the time you spend. You’re buying time hanging out with friends with the money you’d otherwise be earning running an optimal setup. This is your choice and not one ANet can help you with.

If you are still frustrated with your lack of ability to make money, then perhaps it’s time to re-evaluate how you are earning it and how high on your list of priorities it is. Besides CoF p1, there’s a plethora of ways to make money in this game. Find one that you really enjoy. Personally, I enjoy running CoE and Fractals. I could make way more money doing CoF p1, but I’d be bored to tears. (I tried once and after the 3rd run I had to excuse myself because I hated it so much.)

It is your enjoyment, your time. You choose what to do with it and you just have to accept what comes with it.

marnick.4305:

Forst.5863:

But I’m good at playing the game the way I enjoy it.
And that way is rather unrewarding.

The reward would be fun, enjoying the game. I’m rather good at doing triathlons, but it’s unrewarding financially (not to mention it costs money to one).

At my job, on the other hand, I prefer to be efficient to get the rewards.

Hit the nail on the head.

I dare to say I play casually and still earn enough gold.
At this moment I have about 30 gold, leveled 4 crafts and am halfway the 5th, I have 2 pieces of tier 3 armor (top and legs) have multiple pieces of tier 1 and 2 armor over different characters, have (near) full exotic on 3 level 80 characters, I am working towards a legendary (thus have a ton of tier 6 mats, a couple of mats for mystic clovers and 40 mystic clovers made.

I might not be ‘as’ rich as a part of the community, but I am having fun, and doing whatever I want.
I RP with my guild, occasionally run a dungeon or fractals (that happens like what? Once a month..?) I sometimes wvwvw, I work on map completion and just randomly run around and kill stuff, if I happen to feel like beating up something bigger I’ll check gw2stuffs and see what events are running.

I am not exceptionally lucky with drops, I do not play the TP, I do not rush dungeons and I’m fractals lvl 7 atm.
As said I don’t sell the tier 6 mats I get which would net me quite a bit of extra gold.

tbh, I think gold isn’t all THAT hard to earn. Clean out your collecters tab every now and then, sell anything that’s worth something and gold will come easily.

Just play the game. Everything in it will come to you as you just… play it.

No secret to it, really.

Set a long term goal by all means, but don’t bind your every gaming moment towards it.

Otherwise if and when you will reach that goal you’ll be so burned out you can’t enjoy the reward you got.

You make a very valid point Forst. +1

DigitalKirin.9714:

marnick.4305:

Forst.5863:

But I’m good at playing the game the way I enjoy it.
And that way is rather unrewarding.

The reward would be fun, enjoying the game. I’m rather good at doing triathlons, but it’s unrewarding financially (not to mention it costs money to one).

At my job, on the other hand, I prefer to be efficient to get the rewards.

Hit the nail on the head.

Well, yes.
I actually feel better now that I’m reminded that I chose the social part over earning money.
But I think this is exactly what Arenanet said they would not want.
The cost of “doing what you enjoy” should not be “not getting nice things”. It should be “getting nice things later than those who work for them”. (And I do not mean " many months later", which is basically the same as “not getting them”.)
The path to reach the things in the game that you fancy withinin a reasonable time should not be treating the game as a chore, let alone as a job.
The difference between a “professional” farm-group and your friends should not be the one of 2,4 gold per hour and 30 gold per hour.

I think the OP is right in a sense. Making gold in the game is hard. Specially if you enjoy playing the game, and not farming or playing the BLTC. I just can’t see myself login in just to do CoF1 runs and some world bosses.

But it is also true that you can get lots of stuff without gold… you can get exotic level 80 armors and weapons from karma, dungeon tokens, WvWvW tokens. And some of them have awesome skins as well.

The problem here, in my opinion, is that for all the premium stuff, there are no ways to acquire them other than being a lucker or having tons of money.

Forst.5863:

DigitalKirin.9714:

marnick.4305:

Forst.5863:

But I’m good at playing the game the way I enjoy it.
And that way is rather unrewarding.

The reward would be fun, enjoying the game. I’m rather good at doing triathlons, but it’s unrewarding financially (not to mention it costs money to one).

At my job, on the other hand, I prefer to be efficient to get the rewards.

Hit the nail on the head.

Well, yes.
I actually feel better now that I’m reminded that I chose the social part over earning money.
But I think this is exactly what Arenanet said they would not want.
The cost of “doing what you enjoy” should not be “not getting nice things”. It should be “getting nice things later than those who work for them”. (And I do not mean " many months later", which is basically the same as “not getting them”.)
The path to reach the things in the game that you fancy withinin a reasonable time should not be treating the game as a chore, let alone as a job.
The difference between a “professional” farm-group and your friends should not be the one of 2,4 gold per hour and 30 gold per hour.

Because apparently you can’t be social and earn a load of money too.

I literally am only able to play on weekends and I don’t feel terribly poor. If you’re spending 30 minutes per cof p1 run something is terribly wrong, on my specially casual all-classes-are-fine runs the maximum is generally 10 minutes.

Now, your post might have some weight once they start implementing all of that terrible time gated content and income but as it is now you just have no grounds to stand on.

Forst.5863:

DigitalKirin.9714:

marnick.4305:

Forst.5863:

But I’m good at playing the game the way I enjoy it.
And that way is rather unrewarding.

The reward would be fun, enjoying the game. I’m rather good at doing triathlons, but it’s unrewarding financially (not to mention it costs money to one).

At my job, on the other hand, I prefer to be efficient to get the rewards.

Hit the nail on the head.

Well, yes.
I actually feel better now that I’m reminded that I chose the social part over earning money.
But I think this is exactly what Arenanet said they would not want.
The cost of “doing what you enjoy” should not be “not getting nice things”. It should be “getting nice things later than those who work for them”. (And I do not mean " many months later", which is basically the same as “not getting them”.)
The path to reach the things in the game that you fancy withinin a reasonable time should not be treating the game as a chore, let alone as a job.
The difference between a “professional” farm-group and your friends should not be the one of 2,4 gold per hour and 30 gold per hour.

Interesting. I don’t see “Many months later” as the same as “Not getting them.” I think “Many months later” is later, and “Not getting them” is not getting them.

I think the difficulty is perception. How long is a long time for you? How long do you believe casually and incidentally earning money would it take to earn the gold necessary for T3 Cultural armor? I think ANet has a much different perception than yours. T3 probably falls closer to “endgame skins” for ANet, and thus probably is closer to taking several months if you’re casually trying to acquire them.

The Boz.2038:

Minos.3450:

I’m not a hardcore player (I have ~800 hours played sinced release), I don’t play the TP, I don’t farm CoF : I just play the game normally, doing what I feel like to do whenever I feel like to without considering too much the reward. But, honestly, since release I guess I’ve earned already a couple thousand gold (without even being extremly lucky on drops : no precursor).

900 hours, five alts, four rare sets and one exotic set to my name, fourty gold in the bank.
What am I doing wrong?

I get the point (s)he’s trying to make, gold comes rather easy. But (s)he’s exaggerating, there’s no way to make that gold without either: farming, flipping or being extremely lucky. I note though that it says “no CoF farming”, doesn’t say anything about trading your soul to Zhaitan and living in Orr Or if (s)he only logs on for dungeons, and logs off during down time to save hours :p

@OP You have got to be kidding me? Gold comes easy. I don’t farm or flip and play as I wish. Some days I get 1g, other days I get 10g, depends on how may dungeon runs or lucky drops I get. 20 mins for cof1? Ok I get you wanna play as you wish, that’s cool. But you don’t get to complain about not raking in as much as serious farming runs then!
T3 cultural is supposed to be a “high-end-not-obtained-by-anyone”-skin, and everyone is capable of getting it!

Its really easy to earn gold, even if you don’t run CoF p1, CoE 1/2/3 and world bosses…

If you do run any of those then you should be rich…unless you have a spending problem…ie…want everything..

I occasionally do a few Fractal or dungeon runs, along with a lot of the Living Story content. On rare occasions I farm Orr a bit. But generally speaking I tend to have between 20 and 15 gold in my bank. Is that a lot or not at all?

Compared to someone with over 100 gold, it’s certainly not a lot. But so far I’ve been able to buy a new minipet set when ever it was released, along with some extras (flute,tunneling tool, everlasting harvesting tools,witch costume, kite). And that’s enough for me. I’m not sure if I can be considered a casual player, but I certainly don’t grind CoF every night to get money.

I’ve never felt that I had not enough gold to buy the things I wanted. But I’m very careful about what I purchase. I’m not working towards a legendary, nor am I buying any cultural armors (those things cost a fortune!).

Hmmmm just seems like a bunch of cliques to me….gotta have this that or the other to be in a guild. Good thing I do not join guilds cause not one out there would get my help for treating people like crap just cause they do not know how to play or have the proper builds weapons or armour. Seems like high school again to me…lets pick at the weak kid and bully him into quiting. in the end the post is correct it is hard to make gold. I have never gotton over 2 gold with my characters and I am always doing the PVE’s and such things as the map events. Its very little gold if any cause the game forces a group to do everything and that group ends up taking over half of what you could have gotten in doing it yourself. So yeah its hard as hell to make anything unless you buy gems.

Hm, I dont know if this thread is ready for this comment, but achieving a few thousand gold in this game just requires buying the right stuff at the right time over the living world events. It does not even take more than one hour per event.

I bought candy corn, t6 leather and copper before the patch and made a rough 1000g in 1 hour of trading. Not bragging, just pointing out how simple it is.

I would say it is. If you don’t have a fully geared zerker mez/warrior gl finding a group for cof1 and if you don’t cof1, there’s nothing to farm in this game. You can’t just learn to solo UW on youtube and go farm metric tones of ectos as you could in gw1. You make some money from dungeons but i personally would never call this ‘making money’ but more like ‘surviving’.

I presume you’re that student with time and no money?

Unfortunately this is how life will be for the rest of your life, if you don’t have money… you won’t be treated the same as those who do have money.

Stop complaining how it’s impossible to do anything, because there is no reason to have gold. You can get everything in this game, without spending a large amount of gold. It is your choice to farm, therefore it is not ArenaNet’s responsibility.

ArenaNet has done a fantastic job in making a cash shop that is purely cosmetic and nothing there can be used for a competitive advantage and they are making possibly hundreds of thousands of dollars a month from it.

If this what it takes for a company to update a game every 2 weeks then I find it worth more than the $15 dollars a month that I paid another game that updated every 3 or 4 months.

RuneCrimson.7380:

Hmmmm just seems like a bunch of cliques to me….gotta have this that or the other to be in a guild. Good thing I do not join guilds cause not one out there would get my help for treating people like crap just cause they do not know how to play or have the proper builds weapons or armour. Seems like high school again to me…lets pick at the weak kid and bully him into quiting. in the end the post is correct it is hard to make gold. I have never gotton over 2 gold with my characters and I am always doing the PVE’s and such things as the map events. Its very little gold if any cause the game forces a group to do everything and that group ends up taking over half of what you could have gotten in doing it yourself. So yeah its hard as hell to make anything unless you buy gems.

I mostly run solo (totally dislike running in groups) and get 2-5 gold on average of 2-3 hours a day (with manga/anime and movies in between) just by going through the world bosses and some mini-games. I think the problem is not that it is hard to make gold, but rather a lack of information.

Here is a link to the events you need to keep an eye on.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Chest

It guarantees one rare (on most cases the 2nd chest might also give a rare). Assuming one rare is 20 silver and you did 5 events, that is one gold. Most events take 10 minutes to complete.

RuneCrimson.7380:

I have never gotton over 2 gold with my characters and I am always doing the PVE’s and such things as the map events. Its very little gold if any cause the game forces a group to do everything and that group ends up taking over half of what you could have gotten in doing it yourself. So yeah its hard as hell to make anything unless you buy gems.

This seems odd to me. I do not play much at all compared to most and I only do PvE. Usually by the time I have a character to level 30 or so, sometimes less I have at least 1 gold and usually more. I play almost entirely solo and have never felt forced to join a group. Across my 9 characters I have almost 20 gold in my bank without buying it with gems. All but one of those characters are in level 30-50 and the other one is L72. All of these character have level appropriate gear. I don’t even do dungeons and such just all open world.

Gold really isn’t that hard to get. I don’t farm, i don’t play the TP or anything. I just mess around and sell stuff i find. I’ve got 60g that’s just sitting there.

First, it’s completely a matter of perception. There is absolutely no doubt that a person with middle income (in RL) can earn in a hour of working a job what they could earn in a month of just playing the game. Let’s not call it earning in the game either, you’re not really earning anything by efficiently farming a dungeon or running from world chest to world chest anymore than the person playing alternative content is. Sure you may be pressing 1 smarter, but a monkey can press 1 too. This is a video game, that’s it, get over yourself.

Second, the game is getting better, much to the dismay of the “people want stuff for nothing” mentalities. Anet’s definitely recognized the simple fact that their balance of rewards are lackluster at best. That the economy favors people that are oriented to press 1 in area A versus people that press 1 in area B, C and D (aka the rest of the content).

Lastly, there is a very clear indication that there are actually some people that get better drops than others. That there are also people that put in far more hours than others and therefore will amass more wealth, those are simply out of the scope of what has been fundamentally wrong with the reward system. Thankfully all the “whining” is actually making this more even across the board.

So you refuse to learn how to make money faster, or do the things that are efficient, yet complain about money. If gold was made to be easier to make, all that would happen is people would still make more money than you and things would forever be out of your reach due to inflation.

Making gold is a side effect of playing the game. I have 14 slots, about half of them bought by converting gold to gems, along with several bank slots I got the same way. I have spent hundreds of gold just levelling alts through crafting because I didn’t feel like running through the starting areas 20 times.

You get most of your money from selling stuff. If you play every day, and harvest every node you can conveniently reach, cleaning out your collectibles vault once a week will probably be worth around 10 gold. The prices went up this month because of the LS bazaar, so maybe more right now.

Keep selling mats as you play. Some low-tier crafting mats are worth as much as high tier mats, in fact, probably because many people use them for levelling alts. They sell fast and an extra gold or two a day adds up over time.

Even salvage items like bits of cloth and metal sell well, the last two months the monthly achievements included salvaging 500 items. The prices for the unsalvaged bits can be higher than the value of the mats you get if you break them.

The meta-events around the starting areas are boring, but easy to do. The blues and greens cover wp costs and you get at least one rare per event. Do the four around the starting areas and the three dragons and you’ll make around 2-3 gold a day, more when an exotic drops instead of a rare. Bring your MF gear, there’ll be plenty of other players there and little danger of dying.

It’s not as much money as running COF all day, but I don’t care for the leet players with their zerker warriors and getting kicked for being ten seconds too slow. It’s slow but steady income, I don’t keep track of my drops but even without the Dusk I sold a while back I’ve made and spent over a thousand gold, easily.

tolunart.2095:

Making gold is a side effect of playing the game. I have 14 slots, about half of them bought by converting gold to gems, along with several bank slots I got the same way. I have spent hundreds of gold just levelling alts through crafting because I didn’t feel like running through the starting areas 20 times.

You get most of your money from selling stuff. If you play every day, and harvest every node you can conveniently reach, cleaning out your collectibles vault once a week will probably be worth around 10 gold. The prices went up this month because of the LS bazaar, so maybe more right now.

Keep selling mats as you play. Some low-tier crafting mats are worth as much as high tier mats, in fact, probably because many people use them for levelling alts. They sell fast and an extra gold or two a day adds up over time.

Even salvage items like bits of cloth and metal sell well, the last two months the monthly achievements included salvaging 500 items. The prices for the unsalvaged bits can be higher than the value of the mats you get if you break them.

The meta-events around the starting areas are boring, but easy to do. The blues and greens cover wp costs and you get at least one rare per event. Do the four around the starting areas and the three dragons and you’ll make around 2-3 gold a day, more when an exotic drops instead of a rare. Bring your MF gear, there’ll be plenty of other players there and little danger of dying.

It’s not as much money as running COF all day, but I don’t care for the leet players with their zerker warriors and getting kicked for being ten seconds too slow. It’s slow but steady income, I don’t keep track of my drops but even without the Dusk I sold a while back I’ve made and spent over a thousand gold, easily.

There really needs to be more posts like this than there is. Informative, useful and clear. Good advice i’d say.

Forst.5863:

I feel that, being in the time > money-category, I have to work quite a lot for my gold.
Now, of course I should have to put in effort go gain something, but I think the effort required is too high.

I don’t really think you understand the scale of what you are taking about. The idea behind rewarding time often is catering to people who lack other kinds of achievements yet want exclusive rewards for dedicating most of their lives to playing a videogame.

We have people with /age above 3.000 hours, which means more or less 10 hours per day every day since release. If you get 80 silver per hour (which is little for the grinders), those players would get cultural armor in a bit more than one week; and from there not only they would want something more to grind, but they would also want as few players as possible to get the same reward, in order to give them the feeling of being special that they don’t get in real life.

This is the kind of public you are catering to when you make a system that rewards time spent more than skill – it’s the audience MMORPGs want to cater to since they are the players who play the most. It’s also the reason why the popularity of MMORPGs isn’t increasing, and why most of them are failing – it’s the ONLY audience MMORPGs cater to.

Guild Wars 2 would in theory be different, but it’s community is made by the same community that plagues other MMORPGs. Don’t expect your post to have any effect other than to make people who play 10 hours per day feel like they are better than you.

i make in 9 monhts 15500 golds. Im make at Souths Sun 200%MF buf for 10 day around 2300 gold. TS delite GW2 plz. Its a shame

Anhellbro.7210:

i make in 9 monhts 15500 golds. Im make at Souths Sun 200%MF buf for 10 day around 2300 gold. TS delite GW2 plz. Its a shame

While your first statement is true and not even much gold you are talking about, the second one is rude. He is asking for help here.

I must be plagued with RNG cause just playing the game normally, the occasional CoF 1 speed run, some meta events here and there, quite a bit of WvW (think this is the culprit) over a period of 1400hrs and I don’t think I made over 1000g.

I made more money in the past 3 weeks playing the TP than I did in the first 6 months playing the game.

sinzer.4018:

Gold really isn’t that hard to get. I don’t farm, i don’t play the TP or anything. I just mess around and sell stuff i find. I’ve got 60g that’s just sitting there.

…60g is ~nothing.

The Boz.2038:

sinzer.4018:

Gold really isn’t that hard to get. I don’t farm, i don’t play the TP or anything. I just mess around and sell stuff i find. I’ve got 60g that’s just sitting there.

…60g is ~nothing.

Maybe not in terms of overall player wealth, but 60g is very well off in terms of in-game costs…

60g will get you:

3 sets of top tier weapons and armor.
half a set of the most expensive armor in the game
enough money to level 2 characters all the way to 80.
Enough money to buy one of the best looking weapon skins of your choice.

Sure it is not a ton if you are going for a legendary, but 60g is enough to buy everything you need to play the game how you want for months on end without any financial problems.

Plus once you have everything you want in the game you can slowly save up money. I earn like 5g/day just goofing off. But since I don’t need to buy anything at this point I’ve got almost 100g in the bank just by doing pretty much nothing.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Maybe not in terms of overall player wealth, but 60g is very well off in terms of in-game costs…

Really? Let’s see what that gets us…

3 sets of top tier weapons and armor.

If by top tier you mean exotic, then no. Maybe two sets. And that’s before runes, etc.

half a set of the most expensive armor in the game

Huh? What? Which one would that be? A rare-quality level 80 racial?

enough money to level 2 characters all the way to 80

Characters pay for themselves through leveling (four separate tests, 1-80 earns a total of about 8 or so gold, and the blue and/or green gear every ten levels or so costs about three gold), and we already concluded that it doesn’t buy two entire exotic sets.

Enough money to buy one of the best looking weapon skins of your choice

Yeah, no. Unless you apply very liberal and subjective definitions of “best looking weapon”.

Sure it is not a ton if you are going for a legendary, but 60g is enough to buy everything you need to play the game how you want for months on end without any financial problems.

It’s pocket change if you’re going for a legendary. And you will have financial problems if you want two exotic sets for two different builds. Or is that not “playing the game how you want”?

I don’t find it hard to earn money. I always have around 20+G, If I need extra money, I do couple FOTM runs, and personally I don’t like COF farms.

Got maybe 60 gold between 2 toons right now and been playing since launch. Done 1 run of CoF, boring as hell. I don’t seem to have the same sense of urgency most people have here, but still I can’t afford kitten. Just bought my first abyss dye a few weeks ago and that hurt! I don’t generally sell mats, because get this … I want to craft. Only got a few crafts maxed tho, so I end up paying out the nose for things like food or armor … if I want the good stuff.

My fault really for being casual I guess. 2-3 hours a day is not enough time to generate any sort of wealth if you’re not rushing or grinding. It’s cool tho, playing the game my way is more fun … for me at least. Still want some kittening gold tho.