Guild Wars 2

DarksunG.9537:

What?.. wait.. WHAT? “nothing in Eve makes you unreservedly stronger than newer players.” No other game in the history of MMOs has a higher disparity between a starting player & one that has, by luck & manipulation, become the center of the universe. I don’t give 2 quaggans if it’s your body’s physical stats or your planet-sized space craft that “makes you more powerful” but EVE is the absolute pinnacle of player power separation.

its called transversal tanking. if your flying a titan, you probably cant hit the frigate or whatever flying rings around you, also actually shooting at it will cost more than the the other players whole ship + fittings. meaning you lose money. becoming the centre of the universe as you put it is just politics, you can do the same on any GW2 server by being a GM and building a big / influential guild, the disparity in eve is not strength its wealth and versatility, but wealth disparity is present in every game with money due to players stockpiling over time and for versatility / time you can look at GW1

and yes Grend.6251 your triforge amulet will become obsolete when they decide to introduce an ascended version, but that’s not coming in this patch so you’ll probably still have more stats than more specialised players, but that gap will be narrower

@ FateZero.8536 you seem to be missing the point, BIS gear allows you to do ALL content, if you dont have it you need to get it, then your completion of that content is only dependant on personal skill/ teamwork and you can play whatever you want. Looking at it another way would you like it if after getting your fractals gear, you couldn’t use it in any other areas of the game and had to go grind each of those areas to get JP / WvW /other dungeons/ DE etc specific gear with no other way to get it? sound fun? so if you were interested in that content you’d have no problem farming lower levels of that content for the +% light gear to combat the % heavy debuff in JP or so on? cause that’s your argument

Vol.5241:

InfamousBrad.5879:

“Charr and norn refugees crawl from the wreckage of their homes in the Wayfarer Foothills and Diessa Plateau, struggling to find shelter in the south.” If this means that there will be visible, semi-permanent changes to the terrain in those game maps, and whole new heart quests and DE chains, to reflect the passage of time in the game world, like the destruction of the Lion’s Arch lighthouse only more so, then I can only say one thing about that:

AWESOME!!! I’ve been waiting for an MMO role playing game where the game master would have the tools to change the world based on events happening, ever since I discovered the genre back in ’04.

(The more so because I’m really not all that fond of Diessa Plateau. I’d miss Wayfarer’s pretty green valley and bucolic homesteads, though.)

That’s nice and all, but I don’t think they actually said that GMs would be making decisions in game to change the map…Not entirely sure where you read that idea.

Sorry, the term “game master” was ambiguous, above: I meant it in the sense that tabletop RPGers use it (the guy who writes and runs the story), not in the gaming industry sense (an in-game tech support guy). Different studios have different names for that job; I don’t actually know what Arenanet uses for this game.

As much as I’d love real-time on-the-fly map changes, I understand why that’s WAY beyond the tech level now. I mean that if (say) Primordius or the Great Destroyer were to rise up on March 28th and slag all of (say) Diessa Plateau, we’d log in after the patch and find that the Meatoberfest and cattle-ranching and separatist plotlines were replaced by (or heavily supplemented by) events involving destroyer crabs and burning towns and wild brushfires threatening the cattle.

When the story moves forward, I want the world to change. The MMO I came here from wanted to do that, but their art creation and editing tools were just way too labor-intensive. If Anet beats that curse, if they don’t just create new zones but change the existing live zones as the story moves forward, they will have my undying gratitude.

Vorch.2985:

Flame legion vs. Sons of Svanir with norn and charr caught in the middle?

What a fascinating question; you just pointed out one of my unquestioned, and probably wrong, assumptions. I haven’t finished the whole storyline to date; are we told, anywhere, whether the Great Elder Dragons are all on each others’ side? Or are they rival top-level predators competing with each other for the scarce resource they all need?

InfamousBrad.5879:

Vorch.2985:

Flame legion vs. Sons of Svanir with norn and charr caught in the middle?

What a fascinating question; you just pointed out one of my unquestioned, and probably wrong, assumptions. I haven’t finished the whole storyline to date; are we told, anywhere, whether the Great Elder Dragons are all on each others’ side? Or are they rival top-level predators competing with each other for the scarce resource they all need?

At this stage it is presumed that the dragons are hostile to one another, as their minions will kill each other as they would any hostile faction.

Howladon.2096:

Sees quaggan back packs.
immediately goes and converts gold to gems.

Your not the only one thinking that from looking at the excahnge rate

Grend.6251:

Perhaps I am among the minority, but as a player who spent my first 400 hours in game saving for the Triforge amulet, I am worried all my hard work will be for nothing once these new ascended amulets are introduced. Does anyone feel the same?

You’re not alone. I’ve been waiting (probably in vain) for ANet to announce a way that Exotics can be upgraded to Ascended tier items. The introduction of Ascended items basically kills the Crafting disciplines because there is no way that crafters can make items that are as powerful as Ascended items. Weapons and Armor still have a place in that their skins are still visible and players might buy items just to transmute their appearance, but Jewelers are completely out of luck. Why would you even bother levelling Jeweler to 400 (outside of crafting Legendary Gifts) and amassing crafting materials when you can just save up your Laurels and buy an Ascended ring or amulet instead?

I’m really excited about this! It looks great!

One thing I wasn’t quite clear on was whether to interpret the no dragons thing as “You will not confront and defeat another Elder Dragon in this plot arc” or “This is completely unrelated to the dragons.” Those would be two very different things.

InfamousBrad.5879:

The MMO I came here from wanted to do that, but their art creation and editing tools were just way too labor-intensive. If Anet beats that curse, if they don’t just create new zones but change the existing live zones as the story moves forward, they will have my undying gratitude.

I’m wondering if we came here from the same game, because I had the same thought. It would be really neat if our actions did indeed change the game world permanently.

Anakita Snakecharm.4360:

I’m really excited about this! It looks great!

One thing I wasn’t quite clear on was whether to interpret the no dragons thing as “You will not confront and defeat another Elder Dragon in this plot arc” or “This is completely unrelated to the dragons.” Those would be two very different things.

InfamousBrad.5879:

The MMO I came here from wanted to do that, but their art creation and editing tools were just way too labor-intensive. If Anet beats that curse, if they don’t just create new zones but change the existing live zones as the story moves forward, they will have my undying gratitude.

I’m wondering if we came here from the same game, because I had the same thought. It would be really neat if our actions did indeed change the game world permanently.

The thing is it seems that most of this recent content seems to be building up towards something. Back before beta during the press creation of a dynamic event Colin mentioned that species like the Krait were surfacing more often due to the “mysterious” underwater dragon, and then in November we had the Karka event which seems to have the same origins, “mysteriously” appearing from the deep. I feel that this event, though much more spread out over time, will be yet another set up for a major content patch that will change the face of Tyria forever.

Zaxares.5419:

You’re not alone. I’ve been waiting (probably in vain) for ANet to announce a way that Exotics can be upgraded to Ascended tier items. The introduction of Ascended items basically kills the Crafting disciplines because there is no way that crafters can make items that are as powerful as Ascended items. Weapons and Armor still have a place in that their skins are still visible and players might buy items just to transmute their appearance, but Jewelers are completely out of luck. Why would you even bother levelling Jeweler to 400 (outside of crafting Legendary Gifts) and amassing crafting materials when you can just save up your Laurels and buy an Ascended ring or amulet instead?

You wouldn’t and its an issue that anet must address and please not with stupid grindy requirements like those for crafting apothecary items which they seem disinclined to do anything about.

And what about infused ascended amulets. Can I get them from daily chests in FotM?

Shadow Blade.1324:

@ FateZero.8536 you seem to be missing the point, BIS gear allows you to do ALL content, if you dont have it you need to get it, then your completion of that content is only dependant on personal skill/ teamwork and you can play whatever you want. Looking at it another way would you like it if after getting your fractals gear, you couldn’t use it in any other areas of the game and had to go grind each of those areas to get JP / WvW /other dungeons/ DE etc specific gear with no other way to get it? sound fun? so if you were interested in that content you’d have no problem farming lower levels of that content for the +% light gear to combat the % heavy debuff in JP or so on? cause that’s your argument

You’re missing my point here. Players who does not want to do fractals, hate to do fractals or refuses to do fractals to get ascended items when it was first introduce shouldn’t be insisting/demanding for agony resistance infusion to be available outside fractals. Why? Simple, because it’s redundant.

What I understand from your earlier post (not the one which I quoted in this post) is that you want ANet to implement some new recipe for Agony Resistance via the Mystic Forge/slotting. Why did I say new recipe? because currently to infuse any kind of agony resistance into ascended accessories, you’ll need vial of condensed mists essence/glob of coagulated mists essence/shard of crystallized mists essence/fractal relics. All of which aren’t available outside of Fractals.

Therefore, why do you want Agony Resistance when in the first place you do not enter Fractals? ANet has announced that they will make Ascended gears available outside Fractals and the stats will be the same except the absence of Agony Resistance which non-fractals players do not need.

Even if by some change of mind that you intend to do fractals, you’ll have to start from FotM level 1 which Agony Resistance is not needed till level 10 onwards. You’ll have more than enough time to save up for the Versatile Simple Infusion.

Zaxares.5419:

Grend.6251:

Perhaps I am among the minority, but as a player who spent my first 400 hours in game saving for the Triforge amulet, I am worried all my hard work will be for nothing once these new ascended amulets are introduced. Does anyone feel the same?

You’re not alone. I’ve been waiting (probably in vain) for ANet to announce a way that Exotics can be upgraded to Ascended tier items. The introduction of Ascended items basically kills the Crafting disciplines because there is no way that crafters can make items that are as powerful as Ascended items. Weapons and Armor still have a place in that their skins are still visible and players might buy items just to transmute their appearance, but Jewelers are completely out of luck. Why would you even bother levelling Jeweler to 400 (outside of crafting Legendary Gifts) and amassing crafting materials when you can just save up your Laurels and buy an Ascended ring or amulet instead?

I would like to add on to this. I’ve been rocking the Triforge Amulet and I do feel it deserves a special place in the whole big hooha about Ascended amulets. It does require a huge amount of money and craft to achieve this, and it’s a shame to see it leave BiS because of new content.

Shiren.9532:

ArenaNet is really stretching it when they say “January Update”. Sure, the 28th is January, but geese, you are cutting it so close it may as well be called the February update. Every time I read “this month”, I cringed.

Yeah, this reminds me of my workplace. We send out an invoice to be paid within 30 days…and every time…these big-shot clients do it on the evening of the 29th day.

I guess Anet just wanted to stick with their promise of monthly content. Though we’ve seen The Secret World try this, and it instantly became unfeasible as soon as the content got delayed by a week or two. That being said, I’m sure this will launch on the 28th, but perhaps there’ll be connectivity issues, or patching problems (since guesting will be active, anything could get messy) ad people will play it in earnest at the start of Feb – Which isn’t bad at all. I just wish they’d have said 1st Feb, and taken as much time as they need to fix up anything and everything.

FateZero.8536:

You want something fractal specific but too lazy or dislike fractals.

Just to clarify something, ascended gear is not meant to be related to FotM only. It was rolled out via this dungeon, however, this new gear tier is meant to be obtainable (eventually) throughout GW2 world.

This is the next step ANet has taken to allow Ascended gear to be more readily available. The question I have is – Is this the ony method they (ANet) have added? If so then, IMO, more could have been done.

Death Reincarnated.3570:

FateZero.8536:

You want something fractal specific but too lazy or dislike fractals.

Just to clarify something, ascended gear is not meant to be related to FotM only. It was rolled out via this dungeon, however, this new gear tier is meant to be obtainable (eventually) throughout GW2 world.

This is the next step ANet has taken to allow Ascended gear to be more readily available. The question I have is – Is this the ony method they (ANet) have added? If so then, IMO, more could have been done.

Obtainable out of fractals is not an issue. People who doesn’t do fractals shouldn’t be making noise about wanting an outside of fractals way to slot in Agony Resistance. It’s redundant. Kindly refer to my explanation below.

FateZero.8536:

Shadow Blade.1324:

@ FateZero.8536 you seem to be missing the point, BIS gear allows you to do ALL content, if you dont have it you need to get it, then your completion of that content is only dependant on personal skill/ teamwork and you can play whatever you want. Looking at it another way would you like it if after getting your fractals gear, you couldn’t use it in any other areas of the game and had to go grind each of those areas to get JP / WvW /other dungeons/ DE etc specific gear with no other way to get it? sound fun? so if you were interested in that content you’d have no problem farming lower levels of that content for the +% light gear to combat the % heavy debuff in JP or so on? cause that’s your argument

You’re missing my point here. Players who does not want to do fractals, hate to do fractals or refuses to do fractals to get ascended items when it was first introduce shouldn’t be insisting/demanding for agony resistance infusion to be available outside fractals. Why? Simple, because it’s redundant.

What I understand from your earlier post (not the one which I quoted in this post) is that you want ANet to implement some new recipe for Agony Resistance via the Mystic Forge/slotting. Why did I say new recipe? because currently to infuse any kind of agony resistance into ascended accessories, you’ll need vial of condensed mists essence/glob of coagulated mists essence/shard of crystallized mists essence/fractal relics. All of which aren’t available outside of Fractals.

Therefore, why do you want Agony Resistance when in the first place you do not enter Fractals? ANet has announced that they will make Ascended gears available outside Fractals and the stats will be the same except the absence of Agony Resistance which non-fractals players do not need.

Even if by some change of mind that you intend to do fractals, you’ll have to start from FotM level 1 which Agony Resistance is not needed till level 10 onwards. You’ll have more than enough time to save up for the Versatile Simple Infusion.

FateZero.8536:

Shadow Blade.1324:

@ FateZero.8536 you seem to be missing the point, BIS gear allows you to do ALL content, if you dont have it you need to get it, then your completion of that content is only dependant on personal skill/ teamwork and you can play whatever you want. Looking at it another way would you like it if after getting your fractals gear, you couldn’t use it in any other areas of the game and had to go grind each of those areas to get JP / WvW /other dungeons/ DE etc specific gear with no other way to get it? sound fun? so if you were interested in that content you’d have no problem farming lower levels of that content for the +% light gear to combat the % heavy debuff in JP or so on? cause that’s your argument

You’re missing my point here. Players who does not want to do fractals, hate to do fractals or refuses to do fractals to get ascended items when it was first introduce shouldn’t be insisting/demanding for agony resistance infusion to be available outside fractals. Why? Simple, because it’s redundant.

What I understand from your earlier post (not the one which I quoted in this post) is that you want ANet to implement some new recipe for Agony Resistance via the Mystic Forge/slotting. Why did I say new recipe? because currently to infuse any kind of agony resistance into ascended accessories, you’ll need vial of condensed mists essence/glob of coagulated mists essence/shard of crystallized mists essence/fractal relics. All of which aren’t available outside of Fractals.

Therefore, why do you want Agony Resistance when in the first place you do not enter Fractals? ANet has announced that they will make Ascended gears available outside Fractals and the stats will be the same except the absence of Agony Resistance which non-fractals players do not need.

Even if by some change of mind that you intend to do fractals, you’ll have to start from FotM level 1 which Agony Resistance is not needed till level 10 onwards. You’ll have more than enough time to save up for the Versatile Simple Infusion.

Kind of my point earlier about the whole..“Why do you need agony resistance if you arent running fractals. And if you want to run fractals, why are you complaining about running fractals to get the agony infused ascended gear?” My whole stance was that some folks want to almost sidestep grinding in fractals for agony infused ascended gear, AND then run high level fractals. Have their cake and eat it too.

Now, one person mentioned about stat combos, to which I agree with him. Stat combos from laurels need to be the same as whats available in FoTM and they need to synergize well with EVERY build in the game for all classes. Otherwise, once we get more ascended gear, I can see builds breaking.

Oh look, more grind, hair-brained story injections, and cash shop flaunting. What a great update. Nothing that really matters like class balance, new skills, or weapons or anything like that…awesome! Now i can grind dailies for Ascended items as if FoTM wasn’t awful and pointless enough. I really don’t believe they’ve been seeing more and more players log on. They’re not giving us anything of value. Another lie…these updates aren’t the size of an expansion, get real. You guys need better communication not this hype-inducing PR and shady marketing.

From the recent interviews and discussions I was under the impression that new content was happening all over Tyria, but from the information provided today it looks like new content will be occurring in just 2 zones, specifically Wayfarer Foothills and Diessa Plateau?

lothefallen.7081:

Oh look, more grind, hair-brained story injections, and cash shop flaunting. What a great update. Nothing that really matters like class balance, new skills, or weapons or anything like that…awesome! Now i can grind dailies for Ascended items as if FoTM wasn’t awful and pointless enough. I really don’t believe they’ve been seeing more and more players log on. They’re not giving us anything of value. Another lie…these updates aren’t the size of an expansion, get real. You guys need better communication not this hype-inducing PR and shady marketing.

If I recalled correctly, ANet was talking about nerfing AoE but never mentioned anything about thief’s burst damage, perma-invis or Heartstalker spam skill. Not sure if that counts as class balance, lol.

lothefallen.7081:

Oh look, more grind, hair-brained story injections, and cash shop flaunting. What a great update. Nothing that really matters like class balance, new skills, or weapons or anything like that…awesome! Now i can grind dailies for Ascended items as if FoTM wasn’t awful and pointless enough. I really don’t believe they’ve been seeing more and more players log on. They’re not giving us anything of value. Another lie…these updates aren’t the size of an expansion, get real. You guys need better communication not this hype-inducing PR and shady marketing.

Actually they haven’t really hyped up this release in every interview given within the past few weeks devs have said straightforward what the Jan 28th update would be, balances, tweaks to WvW, additions and changes to the drop system, and PvP changes. Colin even said several times that we should temper our expectations, we were informed awhile ago that this update would not be very big, yes ANet has made some missteps, but they do seem to be working toward rectifying them. This won’t be an overnight process. Besides even if there are more balances in the game for classes, they will more than likely be in the patch notes, which have yet to be released.

FateZero.8536:

You’re missing my point here. Players who does not want to do fractals, hate to do fractals or refuses to do fractals to get ascended items when it was first introduce shouldn’t be insisting/demanding for agony resistance infusion to be available outside fractals. Why? Simple, because it’s redundant.

What I understand from your earlier post (not the one which I quoted in this post) is that you want ANet to implement some new recipe for Agony Resistance via the Mystic Forge/slotting. Why did I say new recipe? because currently to infuse any kind of agony resistance into ascended accessories, you’ll need vial of condensed mists essence/glob of coagulated mists essence/shard of crystallized mists essence/fractal relics. All of which aren’t available outside of Fractals.

Therefore, why do you want Agony Resistance when in the first place you do not enter Fractals? ANet has announced that they will make Ascended gears available outside Fractals and the stats will be the same except the absence of Agony Resistance which non-fractals players do not need.

Even if by some change of mind that you intend to do fractals, you’ll have to start from FotM level 1 which Agony Resistance is not needed till level 10 onwards. You’ll have more than enough time to save up for the Versatile Simple Infusion.

i think this is getting confused, as per the prelude you can buy infusions for laurels, what i was arguing for was that the base infusion included on infused ascended items be on the items you can purchase as well as the non infused version, like infused rings drop from higher levels of fractals infused whatever can be sold for more laurels.

with the changes to fractals, if i understand them correctly i will be able to join higher level fractals as long as someone in the party has done them, thus agony will be present, ill still be progressing from lvl 1 to lvl 2 and so on, but if my friends are on lvl 113 ill still need lvl 113 agony resist to be able to play with them, if i dont want to just be a burden dieing all the time due to not enough AR (exploit strategies aside) and the longer i dont join the fractals grind, the farther behind the average level ill get, how likely will it be for me to find a lvl 1 fractals pug exactly 11 months from now to start gearing up? cause im not betting its high

cesmode.4257:

Kind of my point earlier about the whole..“Why do you need agony resistance if you arent running fractals. And if you want to run fractals, why are you complaining about running fractals to get the agony infused ascended gear?” My whole stance was that some folks want to almost sidestep grinding in fractals for agony infused ascended gear, AND then run high level fractals. Have their cake and eat it too.

this is a cyclic argument, I don’t want AR to run fractals I want AR so I’m not prevented from playing with my friends in part of the game should I wish to because I’m gated out of progression. if I just wanted to farm fractals id be doing it right now, what I want is to be able to play any part of the game I feel like dipping into on any given day with my friends and not be segregated from them because of poor design. someone mentioned earlier if infused items were available outside of fractals people wouldn’t do fractals to get them, they’d just do the other activity and fractals groups would die out, isn’t that a problem with fractals itself not being fun enough to merit player attention without forcing people into it due to being the only current location of BIS offering superior rewards to every other part of the game ( hope DR is getting fixed in the upcoming patches )

Lord Ryoka.4572:

You’re not alone. I’ve been waiting (probably in vain) for ANet to announce a way that Exotics can be upgraded to Ascended tier items. The introduction of Ascended items basically kills the Crafting disciplines because there is no way that crafters can make items that are as powerful as Ascended items. Weapons and Armor still have a place in that their skins are still visible and players might buy items just to transmute their appearance, but Jewelers are completely out of luck. Why would you even bother levelling Jeweler to 400 (outside of crafting Legendary Gifts) and amassing crafting materials when you can just save up your Laurels and buy an Ascended ring or amulet instead?

tbh i think at the least everything in http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Mystic_Forge/Other_Items should be upgradable don’t see why someone who spent the effort for a BIS infinite light etc shouldn’t be able to upgrade it to the new BIS fairly cheaply compared to grinding an infused item or legendary to transmute it onto

I have quick question for any Dev/Moderator out their, Are you guy’s making or posting a video pertaining to Flame and Frost?

lothefallen.7081:

What a great update. Nothing that really matters like class balance, new skills, or weapons or anything like that…awesome!

How do you know about class balance? This is an overview. They’re not patch notes. The actual list of stuff that’s included will be released with the patch.

lothefallen.7081:

Now i can grind dailies for Ascended items as if FoTM wasn’t awful and pointless enough. I really don’t believe they’ve been seeing more and more players log on.

You grind your dailies out? Huh.

As for seeing more people log in, if more people have bought the game and are playing in comparison to people who aren’t, then yes, that would lead to a rise in people playing.

lothefallen.7081:

They’re not giving us anything of value. Another lie…these updates aren’t the size of an expansion, get real. You guys need better communication not this hype-inducing PR and shady marketing.

I’d argue that strengthening the current content is of more value than adding new content.

CJ addressed the ‘expansions worth of content’ thing a while ago HERE.

Communications has been pretty kitten good lately on the forums.

Shady marketing? I’d love to hear your reasoning behind that.

Shadow Blade.1324:

i think this is getting confused, as per the prelude you can buy infusions for laurels, what i was arguing for was that the base infusion included on infused ascended items be on the items you can purchase as well as the non infused version, like infused rings drop from higher levels of fractals infused whatever can be sold for more laurels.

with the changes to fractals, if i understand them correctly i will be able to join higher level fractals as long as someone in the party has done them, thus agony will be present, ill still be progressing from lvl 1 to lvl 2 and so on, but if my friends are on lvl 113 ill still need lvl 113 agony resist to be able to play with them, if i dont want to just be a burden dieing all the time due to not enough AR (exploit strategies aside) and the longer i dont join the fractals grind, the farther behind the average level ill get, how likely will it be for me to find a lvl 1 fractals pug exactly 11 months from now to start gearing up? cause im not betting its high

cesmode.4257:

Kind of my point earlier about the whole..“Why do you need agony resistance if you arent running fractals. And if you want to run fractals, why are you complaining about running fractals to get the agony infused ascended gear?” My whole stance was that some folks want to almost sidestep grinding in fractals for agony infused ascended gear, AND then run high level fractals. Have their cake and eat it too.

this is a cyclic argument, I don’t want AR to run fractals I want AR so I’m not prevented from playing with my friends in part of the game should I wish to because I’m gated out of progression. if I just wanted to farm fractals id be doing it right now, what I want is to be able to play any part of the game I feel like dipping into on any given day with my friends and not be segregated from them because of poor design. someone mentioned earlier if infused items were available outside of fractals people wouldn’t do fractals to get them, they’d just do the other activity and fractals groups would die out, isn’t that a problem with fractals itself not being fun enough to merit player attention without forcing people into it due to being the only current location of BIS offering superior rewards to every other part of the game ( hope DR is getting fixed in the upcoming patches )

Alright, let me get this straight. You want Agony Resistance to be available via the infusion which could be bought using Laurels. You want Ascended gears to be available outside Fractals.

So what about Fractals players who spent hours saving up just to get our first Agony Resistance infusion? First you guys complained that it isn’t fair that PVE players do not have the options to get BiS ascended gears. Now that it is available with stats, you want an easy way to obtain Agony Resistance via Laurels. Really??

Comparing daily/monthly achievement to Fractals run, daily/monthly is a cakewalk but you want the same reward as players who painstakingly save up for Agony Resistance infusion via Fractal runs. For once, run the Fractals. Earn your Agony Resistance. Stop being self-entitled.

tl;dr:
Pre-28th Jan patch Fractal players:
- Had to level up fotm 1 to 10 to get a chance to obtain ascended ring to slot in Agony Resistance in order to proceed further. If no ring from daily chest, have to grind for another 10 daily fotm to buy first ring with Prestine Relic.

Post-28th Jan patch:
- PVE players who complained about ascended gears get to easily obtain ascended gears with Agony Resistance via daily/monthly achievement (cakewalk) without having to go though Pre-28th Jan patch Fractal player’s hardship.

CoolStoryBro.

FateZero.8536:

Alright, let me get this straight. You want Agony Resistance to be available via the infusion which could be bought using Laurels. You want Ascended gears to be available outside Fractals.

im not sure if were on the same page or not, would also help if they didnt call multiple things infusion :/ see the prelude link the infusions that slot into gear are purchasable
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/releases/january-2013 the other infused gear also drops from higher level fractals

So what about Fractals players who spent hours saving up just to get our first Agony Resistance infusion? First you guys complained that it isn’t fair that PVE players do not have the options to get BiS ascended gears. Now that it is available with stats, you want an easy way to obtain Agony Resistance via Laurels. Really??

Comparing daily/monthly achievement to Fractals run, daily/monthly is a cakewalk but you want the same reward as players who painstakingly save up for Agony Resistance infusion via Fractal runs. For once, run the Fractals. Earn your Agony Resistance. Stop being self-entitled.

Could argue the exact same for people who went and got mjolnir etc, to paraphrase what they were told “suck it up and deal with it”

actually i would have preferred if they weren’t linked to daily /monthly. (due to time gating) You can see earlier posts if you’d like to see my preferred methods. if you upgraded your ring via the forge that was your choice, you could have waited for an upgraded one to drop from the higher levels of fractals, here ill quote you back to yourself so your familiar with the analogy im going to use

FateZero.8536:

It’s a way of life. You can’t expect compensation just because you had the best item. It’s the same in life, you want a computer with the latest graphic card, go buy one. You can’t expect Nvidia or AMD to say “Hey, you guys who had our previous best graphic card, here take this latest and most powerful graphic card which we just launched for just a top-up of $50”. Yea right.

as we all know over time graphic cards aka ascended gear becomes cheaper and easier to obtain, they’re not going to stop putting it in the game just because you want everyone to pay the same price you did.

Awesome, can’t wait ^__^ Tired of going to the “H” panel to peep the daily progerss lol…

If they would just increase the Charged Lodestone drop rate until it fell below 2gold each, I would be the happiest GW2 player ever.

That one item is discouraging many players from working towards a Legendary.
We have to settle for fancy exotic weapons instead, which is greatly disappointing.

DreamOfACure.4382:

If they would just increase the Charged Lodestone drop rate until it fell below 2gold each, I would be the happiest GW2 player ever.

That one item is discouraging many players from working towards a Legendary.
We have to settle for fancy exotic weapons instead, which is greatly disappointing.

you said 1.5 moments ago tell me o great one how you accrue 33% more wealth so rapidly :P

i think lodestones are going to be included in the dungeon revamps whenever they hit so its likely price will fall then if you cant just outright buy them for tokens

FateZero.8536:

Shadow Blade.1324:

i think this is getting confused, as per the prelude you can buy infusions for laurels, what i was arguing for was that the base infusion included on infused ascended items be on the items you can purchase as well as the non infused version, like infused rings drop from higher levels of fractals infused whatever can be sold for more laurels.

with the changes to fractals, if i understand them correctly i will be able to join higher level fractals as long as someone in the party has done them, thus agony will be present, ill still be progressing from lvl 1 to lvl 2 and so on, but if my friends are on lvl 113 ill still need lvl 113 agony resist to be able to play with them, if i dont want to just be a burden dieing all the time due to not enough AR (exploit strategies aside) and the longer i dont join the fractals grind, the farther behind the average level ill get, how likely will it be for me to find a lvl 1 fractals pug exactly 11 months from now to start gearing up? cause im not betting its high

cesmode.4257:

Kind of my point earlier about the whole..“Why do you need agony resistance if you arent running fractals. And if you want to run fractals, why are you complaining about running fractals to get the agony infused ascended gear?” My whole stance was that some folks want to almost sidestep grinding in fractals for agony infused ascended gear, AND then run high level fractals. Have their cake and eat it too.

this is a cyclic argument, I don’t want AR to run fractals I want AR so I’m not prevented from playing with my friends in part of the game should I wish to because I’m gated out of progression. if I just wanted to farm fractals id be doing it right now, what I want is to be able to play any part of the game I feel like dipping into on any given day with my friends and not be segregated from them because of poor design. someone mentioned earlier if infused items were available outside of fractals people wouldn’t do fractals to get them, they’d just do the other activity and fractals groups would die out, isn’t that a problem with fractals itself not being fun enough to merit player attention without forcing people into it due to being the only current location of BIS offering superior rewards to every other part of the game ( hope DR is getting fixed in the upcoming patches )

Alright, let me get this straight. You want Agony Resistance to be available via the infusion which could be bought using Laurels. You want Ascended gears to be available outside Fractals.

So what about Fractals players who spent hours saving up just to get our first Agony Resistance infusion? First you guys complained that it isn’t fair that PVE players do not have the options to get BiS ascended gears. Now that it is available with stats, you want an easy way to obtain Agony Resistance via Laurels. Really??

Comparing daily/monthly achievement to Fractals run, daily/monthly is a cakewalk but you want the same reward as players who painstakingly save up for Agony Resistance infusion via Fractal runs. For once, run the Fractals. Earn your Agony Resistance. Stop being self-entitled.

tl;dr:
Pre-28th Jan patch Fractal players:
- Had to level up fotm 1 to 10 to get a chance to obtain ascended ring to slot in Agony Resistance in order to proceed further. If no ring from daily chest, have to grind for another 10 daily fotm to buy first ring with Prestine Relic.

Post-28th Jan patch:
- PVE players who complained about ascended gears get to easily obtain ascended gears with Agony Resistance via daily/monthly achievement (cakewalk) without having to go though Pre-28th Jan patch Fractal player’s hardship.

CoolStoryBro.

Hardships? No one forced you to run fractals. We all knew they were realeasing other ways to get ascended gear. Anyone that took that kittenty buggy fotm grind for a few extra stats shouldn’t be complaining about it now.

Will this permanently change (i.e. destroy) any content in DP or WF maps that I should check out before Jan. 28?

How will this update get people into lower level zones and have it be worth our time though?

And cursed shore changes?

Kain Francois.4328:

How will this update get people into lower level zones and have it be worth our time though?

No-one knows yet. We can only speculate. Maybe Dailies will be specific, given that they’ll be changing everyday?

For example, redo 5 Hearts in Fireheart Rise, take down a Dragon, do a specific jumping puzzle, take down the Shadow Behemoth ect ect.

I’m just wondering what they’re going to do with my beloved Wayfarer Foothills, sounds like they’re going to tear it up! Anet, you keep your dragons and risen out of my Norn zone!

All other changes except for the additional currency… are welcomed.

ColinJohanson.2394:

Ascended rings will also be available for laurels as well. Back slot items will be made more widely available in the future and will likely tie into a different reward system.

Can you explain, will new ascended amulets be avalaible only as a rewars for laurels? Or there will be alternative ways of obtaining?

I smell a dragon event.

Kain Francois.4328:

How will this update get people into lower level zones and have it be worth our time though?

And cursed shore changes?

presumably itll be something like (kill X/Y/Z ) zone specific mob like branded creatures

also since it seems i didn’t comment on achievements giving rewards in that other thread ill do so here:
Do not roll back achievements, if you want to cap the gain from infinite ones at a certain amount then something along the lines of: the first X times you complete this achievement will award Y, this leaves people who want to continue progressing them able to do so. and functions as soft cap that you can extend/alter to control the rewards as needed without reducing peoples legitimately gained achievement points and effectively removing the wealth/ effort they put into that part of the game with no compensation.

rolling back is generally a last resort and mostly used for bugs/exploits because it leaves people wondering what’s the point if everything they do/ achieve may just be rolled back later. then they stop playing, you’ve made some bad decisions in the past please don’t make this one of them.

while i have no real preference if this is used with laurels as rewards or another currency/system, i think there’s quite enough tokens atm as it is unless the token storage tab is coming soon

When we will see capes/cloaks? Quaggan backpacks, COME ON!

Two words; Flame & Frost (forget the quaggan backpack!)
Jormag is coming!!!

Just a question about the wording of your updates to gem store, when you say ‘from xxx to yyy’ it sounds like this is just a selection of the new items. If so, is one of the other, new items the name change contract so many players are waiting for? I really hope so!

Other than that, roll on the update, it will be a great birthday present (for me)

OMG! BABY QUAGGAN BACKPACK!

Grend.6251:

Perhaps I am among the minority, but as a player who spent my first 400 hours in game saving for the Triforge amulet, I am worried all my hard work will be for nothing once these new ascended amulets are introduced. Does anyone feel the same?

That’s the whole point beyond ascended eq after all – invalidating current (exotic) BiS equipment. For some unfathomable reason, though, some people do like to know that all the eq they are working hard now will eventually have to be replaced and all the work repeated.

Wow,look at all the wild speculation with the dragons. Jormag is coming!!! Primordus is coming!!! They are going to fight!!! Their followers are going to fight!!! They’re going to have a love child together!!!!

They are just adding some dynamic events to let you know the other elder dragons are still out there, to keep the world fresh a bit. Don’t look too far into it. Good to see the excitement though.

I’d want the quaggan backpack but currently there is a huge problem…..

Backpacks upgrade…..

Will a quaggan backpack be upgradable to ascended infused without losing quaggan skin?
Or should we wait until we have the backpack infused :| (250 ecto are quite a lot ._.).

If u rewatch the video of what they are planning to do this year they say they are trying to make the other zones that we lvled in more useful and that they are not planning to add any new hugh map areas but work on the ones they currently have. Jormag would have drakkar lake really and that would be a new map area and not a small one at that. The other dragons are not even close the the areas they have for frost and flame and the name of it clear says something to do with the flame legion and the icebrood.

I’m sad because there is a horse.. but no mounts………. BUT i remember this picture i seen in the past andddd…. i know what i want! Endless kitty tonics! Chauncey von Snuffles III, Obsidian Shards!, unidentified dyes(…maybe)Class SPECIFIC gear chests

T ,T I do hope this stuff is actually there.

killcannon.2576:

Wow,look at all the wild speculation with the dragons. Jormag is coming!!! Primordus is coming!!! They are going to fight!!! Their followers are going to fight!!! They’re going to have a love child together!!!!

Well, obviously Jormag isn’t coming now on Jan 28th, but as a series of multiple events that are going to affect Tyria in the next few months, which forces Norn and Charr to flee the north (hint; maybe like the Kodan were forced to flee Jormag’s minions), it kind of opens the northern parts of Tyria to strife and hence my remark that Jormag is coming (albeit, eventually!)
It’s probably just an event or a short chain, or maybe nothing at all, coming this Monday, just stoked for new story developments!

Dondarrion.2748:

killcannon.2576:

Wow,look at all the wild speculation with the dragons. Jormag is coming!!! Primordus is coming!!! They are going to fight!!! Their followers are going to fight!!! They’re going to have a love child together!!!!

Well, obviously Jormag isn’t coming now on Jan 28th, but as a series of multiple events that are going to affect Tyria in the next few months, which forces Norn and Charr to flee the north (hint; maybe like the Kodan were forced to flee Jormag’s minions), it kind of opens the northern parts of Tyria to strife and hence my remark that Jormag is coming (albeit, eventually!)
It’s probably just an event or a short chain, or maybe nothing at all, coming this Monday, just stoked for new story developments!

I hate to posit anything, but…I will guess we probably won’t see another Elder Dragon till a true expansion is released. I do agree with you that we will probably see the lead up with in world events though.

ColinJohanson.2394:

PhilipRed.9473:

Just ascended amulets? what about the rest of the gear?

Good question!

Ascended rings will also be available for laurels as well. Back slot items will be made more widely available in the future and will likely tie into a different reward system.

(Please note, the ascended gear purchased for laurels will not have agony resistance built in, since that mechanic is currently unique to progression in the fractal dungeons. They are however statistically the same as any other ascended gear.)

We will also introduce an additional reward system (or systems) in the future to make these items more accessible to WvW players on top of the laurel system.

The remaining ascended item types will be introduced in future releases, and may or may not tie into the laurel system, TBD.

(Edited to add note about agony)

Will the infusions with the +bonus to stats be available for laurels?

FateZero.8536 when i bought the game i wasnt thinking on have to grind a dungeon with % to get item. Well, a dungeon like that came up and then we who dont like to pass hours doing dailys and going higher on fractals became a little anoyed. But i cant care less about AR. Why should i do ? Its a Condition inside of fractals so having no AR is cool to me. And hey, i already have 1 Elem and 1 Engi with both Ascended Rings and i didnt like the way i had to grind that kitten. Now that i will be able to get them by playing the game i can move on and get some levels on my Warrior. Thank you Anet, no more grind for me is awesome since i like to explore and play my way. So getting all alcended stuff from labels that you get from dailys and monthlys, sounds good to me.

I like the idea of having something to work towards, it keeps the game alive and less stagnant. It’s when everyone has nothing to do, that the game dies. Main peeve is still heard no details on LOOT fix!

oh and wtf is up with Quaggin’s? And on a back item to top it off yet you cannot give me a cloak or cape? I recall an answer a while back a dev saying Asura tell that capes are just to encumbering in a battle or w/e. well I’m sry but a fat as* Quaggin on your back is a bit more encumbering than a cloak/cape would be!

Syn

Martin Kerstein.3071:

UrieltheFlameofGod.8643:

I wonder if Anet learned anything from all the people who got frustrated with RNG in the last several holidays and will just sell the backpack directly instead of hiding it in a box

You can buy the quaggan backpack straight from the gem store.

throws cookies at Martin

Thank you! ^^