Guild Wars 2

Guild team kicked me after using me for three fractals to invite their guildie when he logged on.
So you’re saying that a 2 person vote kick is the best system we can have right now?

Mean while all of you at anet are thumbing your kitten trying to reskin flowers.

that is an abusive behavior, report them.

Well I do hope you’re not in that guild anymore. Staying would be an awkward experience.

Perhaps that guild is just full of bad people

Or perhaps you were being disruptive and they didn’t like you?

I agree, their system could be much better. I’ve been kicked multiple times just because my teammates wanted their guildies to party with them. They could take a hint from Blizzard in this aspect. I believe it took the entire party’s vote to get kicked before.

LOL Report them. As if anet would even do anything about it. Also, as soon as I was kicked I confronted them about it and they played coy with me saying that oh they had no clue who did it someone made room for their guildie, when they were ALL in the same guild, then blocked me. kitten like this happens every day and people are allowed to do it.

What would you propose as an alternative to the 2 person kick system? Sounds like in your case even a 4 person system wouldn’t have helped you. What better option is there? I don’t want to be stuck 4 manning a dungeon because someone goes afk or logs out or simply decides not to be useful. Your best option is to run with friends or find a guild that will help you. I know how difficult it is to find both of those since I end up pugging 90% of the time myself, but otherwise this is something that you will always be taking a chance with.

Things like this have been happening forever. I was threatened with being kicked if I did not give a gold to each of the other party members (all in the same guild) as a fee for their services. I left instead. I wish they had a system where you could vote on a players reputation so others could see who to avoid.

ShiningSquirrel.3751:

I wish they had a system where you could vote on a players reputation so others could see who to avoid.

This is a neat idea, but is easily abuse-able too. I guess at the very least it means if someone has “high rep” it means it’s likely a safer bet to trust them.

ShiningSquirrel.3751:

Things like this have been happening forever. I was threatened with being kicked if I did not give a gold to each of the other party members (all in the same guild) as a fee for their services. I left instead. I wish they had a system where you could vote on a players reputation so others could see who to avoid.

A reputation system would be a nice addition, but I could see it being abused in the future. Maplestory had a reputation system and every time a person with really high reputation points walked by, everyone would shout in map chat for everyone to vote him down to 0 reputation points. True, Maplestory was a kids game, but 10 year olds play GW2 as well. Keep that in mind.

ShiningSquirrel.3751:

Things like this have been happening forever. I was threatened with being kicked if I did not give a gold to each of the other party members (all in the same guild) as a fee for their services. I left instead. I wish they had a system where you could vote on a players reputation so others could see who to avoid.

But then in this case there would be 4 people that would down-rep OP if they tried to down-rep them, so then s/he gets 4x the rep loss they do.

A better system would be to display the number of kicks initiated and confirmed within a period. That way, if you get with a group and it says that they kick 10 people a month, you know you shouldn’t even start.

ShiningSquirrel.3751:

Things like this have been happening forever. I was threatened with being kicked if I did not give a gold to each of the other party members (all in the same guild) as a fee for their services. I left instead. I wish they had a system where you could vote on a players reputation so others could see who to avoid.

Now THAT is something that can get players banned. Next time you see that, screen shot it and send it to their support – don’t even waste time using the in-game report feature. Send it directly to them with Screenshots and they WILL be dealt with I assure you.

On subject, I don’t run into these problems because I don’t pug. If I’m in a guild group that ever requires 1 slot or something because it’s late and night, we never kick a person for a guildy just because a guildy logs on. That’s ridiculous.

tahlkora, mhenlo, livia , stefan, …and er… what’s her name, the monk that everybody blamed in pve gw 1 for deaths ? never, ever kicked me.
too bad a-net scrapped the idea of heroes/henchmen..

I agree with the other posters, that there is really nothing that can be done about it. Most of the measures to mitigate this sort of problem fall into the “cure is worse than the disease” category IMHO.

Sadly, it is human nature. There are a significant percentage of people whose only sense of morality or ethical behavior is measured by what they can get away with. Since there is zero accountability on the ’net, and they can get away with anything, these people behave accordingly. I suspect most of the people who do these sorts of things are also young and very immature.

apocalyps.7106:

tahlkora, mhenlo, livia , stefan, …and er… what’s her name, the monk that everybody blamed in pve gw 1 for deaths ? never, ever kicked me.
too bad a-net scrapped the idea of heroes/henchmen..

Well, heroes and hench arent needed/wouldnt really work for open world play. But I’m definitely with you on the whole ‘my hench never kicked me’ thoughtline. I’ve suggested a couple of times that they implement heroes for instanced content. You’d need to earn them Nightfall style, and they’d only be available in say…dungeons, but it would open those things up for more people I think.

Dont pug with groups who are all members of the same guild. I don’t even like being in groups of all people from my guild. Chances are guild groups are carrying/teaching other guildies or doing and EXTREMELY casual run.

In your case in particular you should know the risk involved in pugging, the 2 vote system as literally been here since the game came out. Now you claim it’s Areana net’s fault, whoopdy do. You should also be aware that it’s partly your own fault for not being more careful.

I for one like the two vote system, and I enjoy the responsibility that it comes with.

Wyre.7458:

Dont pug with groups who are all members of the same guild. I don’t even like being in groups of all people from my guild. Chances are guild groups are carrying/teaching other guildies or doing and EXTREMELY casual run.

In your case in particular you should know the risk involved in pugging, the 2 vote system as literally been here since the game came out. Now you claim it’s Areana net’s fault, whoopdy do. You should also be aware that it’s partly your own fault for not being more careful.

I for one like the two vote system, and I enjoy the responsibility that it comes with.

Wouldn’t be surprised one bit if you were involved.

Wyre.7458:

Dont pug with groups who are all members of the same guild. I don’t even like being in groups of all people from my guild. Chances are guild groups are carrying/teaching other guildies or doing and EXTREMELY casual run.

In your case in particular you should know the risk involved in pugging, the 2 vote system as literally been here since the game came out. Now you claim it’s Areana net’s fault, whoopdy do. You should also be aware that it’s partly your own fault for not being more careful.

I for one like the two vote system, and I enjoy the responsibility that it comes with.

lol. That makes literally no sense whatsoever. There shouldn’t be a risk in pugging, because GW2 encourages group play. If there’s a risk in pugging, people don’t want to pug, and if people don’t want to pug, nobody groups up, and if nobody groups up, Anet’s philosophy of group play goes down the drain. How is it his fault if he was the one that got kicked? And yeah, you may like the flawed two-vote system, but there is no responsibility that comes with it. So you’re only enjoying your own flawed thinking. If a guild is teaching members how to run dungeons, they should START the group with those members, not add to the group as it gets closer to the end.

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

apocalyps.7106:

tahlkora, mhenlo, livia , stefan, …and er… what’s her name, the monk that everybody blamed in pve gw 1 for deaths ? never, ever kicked me.
too bad a-net scrapped the idea of heroes/henchmen..

Well, heroes and hench arent needed/wouldnt really work for open world play. But I’m definitely with you on the whole ‘my hench never kicked me’ thoughtline. I’ve suggested a couple of times that they implement heroes for instanced content. You’d need to earn them Nightfall style, and they’d only be available in say…dungeons, but it would open those things up for more people I think.

i didn’t mention but i was thinking of heroes for instanced play only
this beeing a dungeon related problem

I run guild groups all the time and often we end up filling with a pug. I would never dream of kicking an active, contributing member of the team in favor of a guild member especially once the run is already under way. Often if it is something that I know a guild member really needs I will drop group and let them have my spot.

They need to have some score system in place biased on how much you contribute to the run. With a low score you could be kicked with 2 people, middle or higher would be 3, and if you have a high score you cant be kicked unless your team earns a set amount of points while yours remains the same to prevent afk on the boss.

I’ve had this problem before.

I was kicked from a dungeon team right before the final boss once because I was the best player there. Sounds stupid and arrogant, but it’s true. They were complaining because I wasn’t dying enough, and when they wiped on every mob encounter i proceeded to solo the group – though I was in full Berzerker, as a Mesmer, at times attacking in melee. Other team members included a Warrior who was afraid to melee, and a Minion Master Necromancer who never used death shroud, so you get the idea. I basically carried the team. Because I wouldn’t die on the final mob before the final boss when the rest of the team wiped instantly, as usual, and I told them to be patient and I would finish them solo and then rez them for final boss, they kicked me.

Since then, I never join other Guild groups unless I’m the one to open the instance – at least then you have the reassurance and security that if you carry them and they kick you, they lose the last hours progress aswell, making them less likely to do it.

Ideally there would be some alterations to the way the kick system works, though exactly how you would impliment it while retaining the functionality and safety nets the current system provides, I do not know.

It’s been like this forever and they never fix it, so I’d never expect them to ever fix it.

Report and move on.

It should be made so that on the third fractal and forward, no one can be kicked anymore as long as their character is in that instance (So it could still work if they went offline or out of dungeon). After two fractals, you should already know if you wanted to keep going with the party or not and it’ll minimize the time wasted for any people that get victimized to just two fractals; better than wasting more time and being kicked at third.

Its not a foolproof plan but its imo a step in the right direction

TooBz.3065:

A better system would be to display the number of kicks initiated and confirmed within a period. That way, if you get with a group and it says that they kick 10 people a month, you know you shouldn’t even start.

Now that’s a good idea! A nice addition to stats visible to others, “number of players kicked from group”.

Mkalafut.1273:

ShiningSquirrel.3751:

Things like this have been happening forever. I was threatened with being kicked if I did not give a gold to each of the other party members (all in the same guild) as a fee for their services. I left instead. I wish they had a system where you could vote on a players reputation so others could see who to avoid.

Now THAT is something that can get players banned. Next time you see that, screen shot it and send it to their support – don’t even waste time using the in-game report feature. Send it directly to them with Screenshots and they WILL be dealt with I assure you.

On subject, I don’t run into these problems because I don’t pug. If I’m in a guild group that ever requires 1 slot or something because it’s late and night, we never kick a person for a guildy just because a guildy logs on. That’s ridiculous.

I did report them, with screenshots. They where playing every day, never banned or suspended. That was the last pug I ever did. Now it’s guildies or nothing.

apocalyps.7106:

tahlkora, mhenlo, livia , stefan, …and er… what’s her name, the monk that everybody blamed in pve gw 1 for deaths ? never, ever kicked me.
too bad a-net scrapped the idea of heroes/henchmen..

Alesia! Yes, they never kicked me as well, but I do remember lying dead in the Shiverpeaks with my henchmen’s bodies all around, only to see Alesia running back along the path in the middle of a Stone Summit group happy as a pig in you know what. I never trusted her after that, I think she had a thing for short guys.

Hawk.3574:

They need to have some score system in place biased on how much you contribute to the run. With a low score you could be kicked with 2 people, middle or higher would be 3, and if you have a high score you cant be kicked unless your team earns a set amount of points while yours remains the same to prevent afk on the boss.

You realize how difficult it is to construct a fair system like that?
How should they prioritize points? By kills? By damage done? By heals?

Online gaming, particularly MMOs, have certain unavoidable pitfalls inherent to the random multiplayer/group play experience.

This situation is one of them. Its going to happen. I am not suggesting that the OP, or anyone else, be happy when this sort of thing occurs, but it might be a good idea to be prepared to let it go when it does happen.

If you play football you will occasionally get hurt. When you play slot machines you will generally lose money, and when you game with random people on the internet you will meet kittenbags. In each case your best bet is to recognize that there is a downside to pretty much everything and accept the inevitable bad with the good…and move on.

Tired of not finding a group?
Tired of being kicked out of teams when you did all the effort?
Tired of some instance maker denying you your reward by leaving suddenly?

Fear not. There is a solution.
All that needs to happen is the following system to be implemented:
The HENCHMEN
Mhenlo is back with Word of Healing!
In the open world, you may add Mhenlo and friends to your party. Henchmen never show up in the open world(just like adding someone to your party who is not in the same map).
As soon as you enter a dungeon, henchmen all spawn and have specific professions/weapons/skills/runes/sigils/etc.
Henchmen are all AI controlled, no more stupidity from other players that will ruin your run, you know how smart the AI is, you know what to expect.
If you leave the instance, Mhenlo and friends go back home and the instance is gone.
If you disconnect from the instance, you may reconnect within 5minutes(to prevent abusers) and Mhenlo will still be smiting the dead out of those ascalonian ghosts while awaiting your return. Mhenlo needs your help though, so reconnect quick!
Cutscenes will not trigger unless you are within the instance. Mhenlo will wait patiently and let you do the talking, just like he did two and a half centuries ago.

Henchmen is possible to implement in this way, much better than a lot of “zerk or gtfo” players and much more reliable than “i got my reward and since i made the instance i leave before you get your reward dont waste my time waiting for you kthxbai” players.

Solution 2: You make the instance or dont go.

ShiningSquirrel.3751:

TooBz.3065:

A better system would be to display the number of kicks initiated and confirmed within a period. That way, if you get with a group and it says that they kick 10 people a month, you know you shouldn’t even start.

Now that’s a good idea! A nice addition to stats visible to others, “number of players kicked from group”.

That would work in theory, however I often group with guildies that have a bad habit of logging out before leaving the group and then we have to kick them to make room for new members or reform the group.

Whenever I pug fractals or a dungeon with people I don’t entirely trust, I make sure I’m the instance creator. Kick me at your own peril.

Kryptonite.9376:

LOL Report them. As if anet would even do anything about it. Also, as soon as I was kicked I confronted them about it and they played coy with me saying that oh they had no clue who did it someone made room for their guildie, when they were ALL in the same guild, then blocked me. kitten like this happens every day and people are allowed to do it.

Actually if you get enough reports for this you can get blocked.

The best thing to do and I’ve done this from the very start. If you notice your in a guild party or any suspicious party for that matter take a screen shot with all of their names showing. This way you wont have to worry about it latter and you can give their names to anet if needed.

What I like to do is go to an area in the dungeon that looks nice and be like “hold up really quick I’m going to take a screen shot” then they know you have their names and will think twice before the kick.

sinderhella.5680:

ShiningSquirrel.3751:

TooBz.3065:

A better system would be to display the number of kicks initiated and confirmed within a period. That way, if you get with a group and it says that they kick 10 people a month, you know you shouldn’t even start.

Now that’s a good idea! A nice addition to stats visible to others, “number of players kicked from group”.

That would work in theory, however I often group with guildies that have a bad habit of logging out before leaving the group and then we have to kick them to make room for new members or reform the group.

Not hard at all, kicked while in a dungeon or in open area. If you have guildies who log out in the middle of a dungeon, then kick them from your guild by all means and don’t group up with them any more.

Terrible behavior. Report them for exploiting you like that.

sinderhella.5680:

ShiningSquirrel.3751:

TooBz.3065:

A better system would be to display the number of kicks initiated and confirmed within a period. That way, if you get with a group and it says that they kick 10 people a month, you know you shouldn’t even start.

Now that’s a good idea! A nice addition to stats visible to others, “number of players kicked from group”.

That would work in theory, however I often group with guildies that have a bad habit of logging out before leaving the group and then we have to kick them to make room for new members or reform the group.

Yeah, I thought of that. I think that people would start to know what a “reasonable” number of kicks are vs. those that are just excessive.

ShiningSquirrel.3751:

sinderhella.5680:

ShiningSquirrel.3751:

TooBz.3065:

A better system would be to display the number of kicks initiated and confirmed within a period. That way, if you get with a group and it says that they kick 10 people a month, you know you shouldn’t even start.

Now that’s a good idea! A nice addition to stats visible to others, “number of players kicked from group”.

That would work in theory, however I often group with guildies that have a bad habit of logging out before leaving the group and then we have to kick them to make room for new members or reform the group.

Not hard at all, kicked while in a dungeon or in open area. If you have guildies who log out in the middle of a dungeon, then kick them from your guild by all means and don’t group up with them any more.

I don’t think that’s what they were saying, instead i got the impression that their guildies, after a run, log off before leaving the party which means they’re still in the party and if you’re going for a second run you need to kick them and invite someone else. Loads of people do this and it’s not a problem as they’re not leaving half way through an encounter

TooBz.3065:

A better system would be to display the number of kicks initiated and confirmed within a period. That way, if you get with a group and it says that they kick 10 people a month, you know you shouldn’t even start.

I think this has some potential. Worth making a new topic and discussing.

Kryptonite.9376:

So you’re saying that a 2 person vote kick is the best system we can have right now?

Yes. Make your own party to completely bypass your problem. You can probably still report them for it and they’ll, possibly, be sanctioned.

Don’t get me wrong, the people you played with were utter kittens, and I’d sleep better at night knowing them and people like them contracted some incurable and hopefully horrible disease (or just died in a fire), but there’s really no system they can put in place that can’t be abused. Most of them more so than the current one.

That said, party leaders can’t be kicked. Make the party yourself (or have someone you trust do it) and you’re invulnerable to that kind of abuse. It’s not as comfortable as sitting back and letting someone else do the work, but that’s just a matter of how much laziness you’re willing to sacrifice for your “security”, if you will.

Lets make a 5 person vote kick, the person that is getting kicked has to vote if they should or shouldn’t be kicked. IMO only fair way to do it, amirite?

AntiGw.9367:

TooBz.3065:

A better system would be to display the number of kicks initiated and confirmed within a period. That way, if you get with a group and it says that they kick 10 people a month, you know you shouldn’t even start.

I think this has some potential. Worth making a new topic and discussing.

I created one here.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/suggestions/Show-how-many-times-players-have-kicked/first#post2432832

apocalyps.7106:

tahlkora, mhenlo, livia , stefan, …and er… what’s her name, the monk that everybody blamed in pve gw 1 for deaths ? never, ever kicked me.
too bad a-net scrapped the idea of heroes/henchmen..

They scrapped the idea, because it wouldn’t work in this dynamic combat system without a much, much better follower ai system. Just look at pets and how problematic they are.

This is why I don’t join parties with more than 2 people from the same guild

Well, how the dealt with it was rude, but honestly, Id never expect to be in a party of mainly one guild and yet get chosen over a fellow guildmate.

Saelune.5316:

Well, how the dealt with it was rude, but honestly, Id never expect to be in a party of mainly one guild and yet get chosen over a fellow guildmate.

Wasn’t kicked before the run started. This was fractals 3 right before Jade maw.
You don’t expect for people to have decent morals?

Hell Avenger.7021:

that is an abusive behavior, report them.

Actually Gaile addressed this and said she didn’t know yet which side of the line it fell on.
Obviously all of us would assume it’s Abuse as well as an exploit for “Helping another player in Bypassing Content”. But full Bureaucracy required for an official ruling doesn’t appear to have happened yet…

Craptrain.7203:

Whenever I pug fractals or a dungeon with people I don’t entirely trust, I make sure I’m the instance creator. Kick me at your own peril.

Yep this is the best you can hope for right now … and avoiding certain Dungeons that are farmed by unscrupulous guilds the most, also helps a lot. (I’m extremely suspicious of anyone who invites me to a COE or FOTM)

RoRo.8270:

This is why I don’t join parties with more than 2 people from the same guild

You haven’t met many decent guilds then.

Kryptonite.9376:

Saelune.5316:

Well, how the dealt with it was rude, but honestly, Id never expect to be in a party of mainly one guild and yet get chosen over a fellow guildmate.

Wasn’t kicked before the run started. This was fractals 3 right before Jade maw.
You don’t expect for people to have decent morals?

So you got kicked mid-run? Ok, thats jerky. If it was before starting one though, and prefferably they told you though, Id have to say ok for them, but during is not nice.

ALWAYS start the instance yourself if you find yourself in a guild group.

In fact ALWAYS start the instance under all circumstances.

Then if they kick you they get kicked as well.