Guild Wars 2

I main a Warrior. I have a certain attachment to him as he was my first character, but I also have 8 other lvl 80s. Now, I also like to support players and love seeing the shields and green numbers when I play my Guardian, especially when I see players on the brink of death and I’m able to save them.

So that’s why today, it’s gonna be hard for me to say goodbye to the Guardian, at least for now. Fractals can take upwards of an hour, hour and a half, which makes getting the Relic rewards at the end pretty important to someone who works more than a full time job and is trying to finish up his degree. Now I know my fights, and I may not have agony resistance, but I know how to survive it and/or avoid it in the 10-19 tier. Me being traited for support, I’m often the only one that stays at full health an entire fight.

But when a group decides it’s best to stack on the last boss of the fractal and eat his stomps while expecting me to throw a Reflecting Wall when we first enter to protect us from the fire from the other boss, there’s not much I can do to survive as I’m not able to heal myself at that critical moment. The first attempt, before they asked me to do that, went okay. We lost most of the party early so I died so we could restart the fight. We wiped a few more times because of various reasons like someone running in early, but long story short, I was kicked because I kept dying while trying to support them instead of helping myself.

So, give thanks to a group of players with a crappy attitude for losing a support player. Guess it’s back to my Warrior where all I care about is swinging my sword.

well yeah…..best way to support the team is to kill the enemy faster than it can kill you. Thats why zerker is the meta. If you want to avoid this just run FotM with a guild group and learn your role on your preferred class so that you know when to throw down walls and reflects

you mean molten duo?

I was doing fractal 50, and some guy expect we can muscle it down with no ele, no PS warrior. Needless to say the guy died when the boss stomp a single time.

Even people who can kill it in 10 second need to jump (sometimes).

Let me get this straight, you have decided to give up on a character you enjoy playing because one bad pug couldn’t handle the molten duo?

Um, you were probably the cause with your “support” guardian why the group didn’t kill the molten charr within the first reflection wall, which is likely what wipes a group.

This is literally the the one fight in the game where the longer you take to kill a boss the harder/more unforgiving the fight gets.

The real support in this game is boosting your team’s DPS and reflecting/aegis the crap that kills them. They don’t need you to tank. They don’t need you to heal. They just need you to kill that crap asap and give them enough blocks/reflects to get that burst uninterrupted with 25 might stacks and fury.

Stop thinking there are roles other than DPS in this game. The way it functions is you maximize offense and bring the bare minimum of support required so that nobody dies.

If I run FotM with my guild, I’m teaching them the fights. It’s not about “learning my role.” I was trying to support them more than myself cause we’d all keep taking a lot of damage from them wanting to do the fight a certain way, which I’ve never seen before and never had trouble with otherwise.

And people staying alive and being buffed will do more damage than the extra damage one person will do going zerker instead. Zerker is great for fights that don’t do a lot of damage, but in a boss fight where everyone is eating agony, not so much.

My complaint isn’t even really about zerker vs support, it’s the mindset that goes along with it. It’s not that support is inferior to zerker that made me not want to support other players, it was my experience with that group that makes me not want to support other players.

(Really this is just a big /rant, I know all pugs aren’t like that. But I really am going to stay away from my Guardian for a while because of it.)

nope you running zerker would help out a lot more, and you shouldnt be eating the agony as you either dodge the attacks or have enough AR that the agony doesnt matter.
also if you are teach your guildies, maybe just join an additional, larger, guild where there are players who can teach you what to do

I really dont understand this. You say you want to play a support guard and then complain when your group asks you to support? This would have happened regardless of your gear stats.

And honestly, the group sounds to be very unskilled but in that situation I would have done the same. If the group was unable to finish the fractal due to too many deaths then kicking the person without the reccommended AR , who kept dying seems logical. Replacing you with someone who can eat the agony with no dmg would likely let them finish.

Sounds more like a lack of communication and an unskilled team that anyone having a crappy attitude.

If you are eating agony, you didn’t have enough AR, or you are eating agony causing attacks.

And the thing about agony causing attacks is, they’re there to be dodged not facetanked.

There is no situation with molten duo where not having more damage is better. The difference between a PVT eating a fire projectile poool and a berserker is virtually the same, you’ll die after eating two, 2 stomps will also probably kill you.

Just bite the bullet and learn to dodge and go berserker.

Part of games is learning them. When you played Super Mario 64 the game didn’t give you the option for more forgiving jumps and when you fought Bowser the game did not reduce the damage you took. You died until you did the encounter/map properly.

I dont’ even know why you do 10-19 without AR. You should get 1 ring by the time you get to 10. And you can get 5 AR from cheaply crafted exotic backpiece.

And since it is a low level fractal. The reason you probably die so easy is probably because of the agony.

Lol Zenith, I’ve been playing the game since Beta… I know how it works. This particular group was not downing anything anytime fast. It would’ve taken a while whether I was on my Guardian or Warrior. I never said I wanted to tank or heal (I’d get on my Necro or Ele for that ;P). But curing conditions with each shout, adding 12 stacks of Might from the staff (with a nice heal at the end), adding shields and regen through shouts or and using my virtues to give might, heal, regen, and shields… is support. And the only one of those abilities that takes time is the Might and heal from the staff. Not a single one of those takes my attention away from fighting the boss any more than I would already.

EDIT: That’s the thing laokoko, they were stacking right on him, hard to time the jumps. And I’ve done 20-29 without AR, you can avoid it for the most part. I didn’t use shelter cause I’m used to just avoiding the stomps. Had the Wall for one slot, and kept two shouts to remove burning, cause they kept complaining about the fire.

Its not that hard to do a level 19 fractal with only 4 people, so it cant be impossible to do it with 4 in zerk gear and 1 in cleric, so thats really not a great excuse to rage kick someone at the end of a fractal.

I mean you should have been in zerker gear and using wall of reflection (still dont get why you couldnt use wor while in healing gear), but saying you need 5 people to be all out zerk dps to finish a lvl 19 or you wont kill the boss before it wipes you is silly.

So basically you werent playing that well, and neither were they, but at least you werent a kitten about it

Also you do know that jewelery is acc bound, right? So if your alt has some with ar on it you can just give it to the guard and have more than enough. So again your fault, but doesnt exactly excuse people being kittens and rage kicking someone

If you play 10-19 Fractals without AR and die it is your fault.
Just dont play those until you get AR and you’ll be fine.

Its actually quite easy to get quick AR by just buying ascended rings and simple infusions from the fractal trader.

Stacking might with the Guard staff is also terrible.

The irony is that Warriors are actually more of a support class than Guards in the current meta. So good luck switching to Warrior.

dude you have no agony. That’s probably the main problem.

Even if you shelter/block every attack, you’ll still take damage from agony.

The boss stomp is an agony attack you’ll take damage regardlessly.

If you have been playing since beta (or since FoTM has come out) how do you still not have AR. Its just inconsiderate to do 10+ fractals without it

Lol I do 10-19 without AR with no problem all the time. It’s not that big of a problem, except when a group pretty much tells you “hey do this thing that is guaranteed to stack agony on you.”

zombyturtle.5980:

Sounds more like a lack of communication and an unskilled team that anyone having a crappy attitude.

They did have a crappy attitude, trust me. I wouldn’t say they did if they didn’t.

Well no sympathy here, I know I have kick a good amount of people for not having the req AR, just makes it easier on the rest of the party get some one good quicker, instead of slogging trough countless deaths

ArchieD.6972:

Lol I do 10-19 without AR with no problem all the time. It’s not that big of a problem, except when a group pretty much tells you “hey do this thing that is guaranteed to stack agony on you.”

zombyturtle.5980:

Sounds more like a lack of communication and an unskilled team that anyone having a crappy attitude.

They did have a crappy attitude, trust me. I wouldn’t say they did if they didn’t.

Did you tell them at the beginning that you had no AR? Or did they find out when you started dying more often than they did?

It’s one thing if they start the Fractal knowing that you will likely die more often if mistakes are made or things don’t die quickly and then kick you later on when it comes true. But an entirely different thing if you didn’t tell them and they later asked you why you were dying so often and you went: no AR and then they kicked you.

Seera.5916:

ArchieD.6972:

Lol I do 10-19 without AR with no problem all the time. It’s not that big of a problem, except when a group pretty much tells you “hey do this thing that is guaranteed to stack agony on you.”

zombyturtle.5980:

Sounds more like a lack of communication and an unskilled team that anyone having a crappy attitude.

They did have a crappy attitude, trust me. I wouldn’t say they did if they didn’t.

Did you tell them at the beginning that you had no AR? Or did they find out when you started dying more often than they did?

It’s one thing if they start the Fractal knowing that you will likely die more often if mistakes are made or things don’t die quickly and then kick you later on when it comes true. But an entirely different thing if you didn’t tell them and they later asked you why you were dying so often and you went: no AR and then they kicked you.

They died more often than I did. Except when I forwent healing myself through the agony at the beginning of that last fight for their sake (throwing down the wall at the beginning). I know at least one of them didn’t have AR.

But again, I’ve never had trouble out of that fight before when we actually did the fight normal.

It’s less of a “having the required amount of AR” and more of a “can you avoid dying from agony.” Well, yeah I could avoid dying from it just fine by dodging the mechanic that stacks it except when you tell me not to dodge the mechanic that stacks it.

ArchieD.6972:

Lol I do 10-19 without AR with no problem all the time. It’s not that big of a problem, except when a group pretty much tells you “hey do this thing that is guaranteed to stack agony on you.”

zombyturtle.5980:

Sounds more like a lack of communication and an unskilled team that anyone having a crappy attitude.

They did have a crappy attitude, trust me. I wouldn’t say they did if they didn’t.

You havnt given us any information about what they actually said to you so its hard to take your word for it. Anyway unless they specifically raged about your support build to you, I still dont see how this has anything to do with zerker vs support.

The main issue was that you lacked the necessary AR for the group strategy.

Did you let the group know at the start of the frac you had no AR?
Did you make sure you met the requirements of the LFG?
Did you communicate to them, when they told you to stack on the boss that it was an unfamiliar tactic to you and your current specs didnt allow you to do this?

If not, then its your fault. If you did then yes they were kittens for ignoring you.

Anyway 1 bad group is no reason to stop playing a character. The really simple solution is to just get the recommended AR for the frac level. Then you can adapt to any group strategies and avoid all the unnecessary conflict.

Get enough agony, then do it. And don’t tell them you are a cleric-support player. Don’t use staff for the molten duo. Use scepter/focus, and GS.

So they were all dependent on your reflect wall? Sounds like you were the only one who didn’t abandon any aspect of team support. Many classes have walls, grp heals, buffs and so on. I do most everything on Thief and play the way I’m supposed to generally and won’t be stacking or eating anything. Molten Duo is one of my fav bosses because of how easy it is to survive as a Thief fighting it the normal way. ;o I also like the fight in general. One of the best LS.

Zenith.7301:

Um, you were probably the cause with your “support” guardian why the group didn’t kill the molten charr within the first reflection wall, which is likely what wipes a group.

This is literally the the one fight in the game where the longer you take to kill a boss the harder/more unforgiving the fight gets.

The real support in this game is boosting your team’s DPS and reflecting/aegis the crap that kills them. They don’t need you to tank. They don’t need you to heal. They just need you to kill that crap asap and give them enough blocks/reflects to get that burst uninterrupted with 25 might stacks and fury.

Stop thinking there are roles other than DPS in this game. The way it functions is you maximize offense and bring the bare minimum of support required so that nobody dies.

Honest anwser right here.
You can provide the exact same boons (aegis, blind, stability, cleanse) as a guardian while also not gimping your own damage

Yeah, kicking a person at the boss fractal is a kittenty thing to do in any circumstances (unless that person is deliberately sabotaging the group).

Doggie.3184:

So they were all dependent on your reflect wall? Sounds like you were the only one who didn’t abandon any aspect of team support. Many classes have walls, grp heals, buffs and so on. I do most everything on Thief and play the way I’m supposed to generally and won’t be stacking or eating anything. Molten Duo is one of my fav bosses because of how easy it is to survive as a Thief fighting it the normal way. ;o I also like the fight in general. One of the best LS.

Can I get some thief-tips for this fight from you?

If you are really that good, you’ll be my idle Archie.

I run fractal almost everyday and I have problem avoiding the boss’s attack.

Usually someone carried me when I die, on some rare occasion I carried other player when they are downed.

If you are really that good, tell other people you’ll solo the boss without agony when the other people died. Unless you can do it every single time, you are probably not as good as you think you are.

You say it is ok to play without agony “because you don’t have any”. But I doubt you’ll be happy if other people don’t have any and you are stuck in a fractal for a couple of hours.

ArchieD.6972:

If I run FotM with my guild, I’m teaching them the fights. It’s not about “learning my role.” I was trying to support them more than myself cause we’d all keep taking a lot of damage from them wanting to do the fight a certain way, which I’ve never seen before and never had trouble with otherwise.

And people staying alive and being buffed will do more damage than the extra damage one person will do going zerker instead. Zerker is great for fights that don’t do a lot of damage, but in a boss fight where everyone is eating agony, not so much.

My complaint isn’t even really about zerker vs support, it’s the mindset that goes along with it. It’s not that support is inferior to zerker that made me not want to support other players, it was my experience with that group that makes me not want to support other players.

(Really this is just a big /rant, I know all pugs aren’t like that. But I really am going to stay away from my Guardian for a while because of it.)

You talk as if Zerk and support are mutually exclusive. They’re not. A good and proper support guardian is also geared in full Berserker gear just like the rest of his team.

wow these people in this thread.

1. Nothing wrong with support. Especially as low as level 10-19 fractals. I run level 49 with a hybrid necro. Other builds besides the “meta” exist.
2. No agony resist in levels 10-19 are not that bad. When fractals were new, you were expected to earn your rings running 10-19.

and now – don’t sack your main just because of a bad pug. Those would happen even if you did run a zerker warrior

Yes, there is nothing wrong with support. Just as long as you don’t join “zerk only” LFGs both sides of the community will be content.

ArchieD.6972:

Seera.5916:

ArchieD.6972:

Lol I do 10-19 without AR with no problem all the time. It’s not that big of a problem, except when a group pretty much tells you “hey do this thing that is guaranteed to stack agony on you.”

zombyturtle.5980:

Sounds more like a lack of communication and an unskilled team that anyone having a crappy attitude.

They did have a crappy attitude, trust me. I wouldn’t say they did if they didn’t.

Did you tell them at the beginning that you had no AR? Or did they find out when you started dying more often than they did?

It’s one thing if they start the Fractal knowing that you will likely die more often if mistakes are made or things don’t die quickly and then kick you later on when it comes true. But an entirely different thing if you didn’t tell them and they later asked you why you were dying so often and you went: no AR and then they kicked you.

They died more often than I did. Except when I forwent healing myself through the agony at the beginning of that last fight for their sake (throwing down the wall at the beginning). I know at least one of them didn’t have AR.

But again, I’ve never had trouble out of that fight before when we actually did the fight normal.

It’s less of a “having the required amount of AR” and more of a “can you avoid dying from agony.” Well, yeah I could avoid dying from it just fine by dodging the mechanic that stacks it except when you tell me not to dodge the mechanic that stacks it.

Dying more times than them or not was not part of my question. Maybe the other person who had no AR told them he didn’t have any. So when he died more often due to it they were already aware of it. And their dying more may have been because they’ve never run into a situation where two people don’t have enough AR or boss fights lasted longer because a member wasn’t full DPS traited and geared. Who dies and how often is too intertwined in too many variables to pin point based on hearsay. Another party member may have been the weakest link, or it might have been you. Who it was or whether it mattered was not the point of my post. I don’t know what the LFG said and I was not present in the group. So I don’t know what went down and I’m not going to judge based on hearsay.

The point of my post was: could you have given them the impression that you were wanting to be carried through the Fractals. Not telling them you don’t have enough AR before the fight starts, could be seen as a sign of wanting to be carried. Not being in meta gear and traits can be a sign of wanting to be carried. It might not have been your intent, but they may have perceived it that way.

Did they handle it the right way? No. They could have asked you to switch to a character that dealt more DPS or had the proper AR. Or not gotten so upset at you having to dodge once they learned you didn’t have the AR.

And I’m fully aware that Fractals can be done without AR even on the higher levels. They were done in non-ascended gear on Rangers (for the pet revive) before enough ascended gear was released to get the higher levels before the Fractured patch was released. You had to get good at dodging the agony attacks.

But now, with enough AR to get to the highest levels it should be common courtesy to tell groups you are with if you do not have enough AR to last through the stacks that get placed. So that strategies can be reworked or the group can decide that they would rather have someone with the appropriate amount of AR to be in their group.

So I ask the question again: When did you inform them that you did not have the AR required?

ArchieD.6972:

Lol Zenith, I’ve been playing the game since Beta… I know how it works.

No, you don’t.
You said fractals take 1+ hours, not mentioning you did only lvl 10. In fact, in very very casual groups (that are at least a bit competent), they take about 30 minutes on lvl 50 (depending on RNG).
Support guard. Meh, do I even have to comment? If you think you can get away with a healing machine and don’t ever dodge or know the boss’ animations, you just don’t play the game right.
Not enough AR for level 10? You can get enough for lvl 50 in a week or two, so what were you doing since beta?
To get back to your post… no, you don’t know how it works. I have the feeling you were to fractals (and dungeons in general) for your first time. If it is so, you should learn the stuff first before blaming your team for actually having some DPS. If it wasn’t your first time, there must be something seriously wrong with you.

Solution right here!

Play ranger. People often blame your pet and not you

Do you really have to whine here in the forums just because you got kicked once for not having AR in fractals?

Now you will go back to warrior because warriors dont get kicked for not having enough AR?

Tarasicodissa.7084:

ArchieD.6972:

Lol Zenith, I’ve been playing the game since Beta… I know how it works.

No, you don’t.
You said fractals take 1+ hours, not mentioning you did only lvl 10. In fact, in very very casual groups (that are at least a bit competent), they take about 30 minutes on lvl 50 (depending on RNG).
Support guard. Meh, do I even have to comment? If you think you can get away with a healing machine and don’t ever dodge or know the boss’ animations, you just don’t play the game right.
Not enough AR for level 10? You can get enough for lvl 50 in a week or two, so what were you doing since beta?
To get back to your post… no, you don’t know how it works. I have the feeling you were to fractals (and dungeons in general) for your first time. If it is so, you should learn the stuff first before blaming your team for actually having some DPS. If it wasn’t your first time, there must be something seriously wrong with you.

I sense a very elitist person. Getting enough AR for level 50 will not just take you a few weeks. Still running 40-50 with welfare ascendeds and only actually got enough AR for that a week ago (used to be running with 5 points lacking. It’s not a big deal at all) and I was in fractals from the time that fractals came out.

Mirta.5029:

I sense a very elitist person. Getting enough AR for level 50 will not just take you a few weeks. Still running 40-50 with welfare ascendeds and only actually got enough AR for that a week ago (used to be running with 5 points lacking. It’s not a big deal at all) and I was in fractals from the time that fractals came out.

While he may be exagerating on how long it take to get the AR, it really does not take that long to get at least a decent amount of it. Trinkets arent that hard to come by, Guild Missions, Laurels, and from the FotM, slot +5s in all those and you are good till at least 20, and that will take you maybe a month, depending on how often you run Guild Missions and if you have saved up laurels

ArchieD.6972:

Me being traited for support, I’m often the only one that stays at full health an entire fight.

This statement to me is more of an indicator of whats wrong in your teams, than something you should attempt to wear as a badge of honor.

The zerker meta is there for a reason. Many people have listed many reasons as to why, I won’t go into again.

A perfect team will sync in GW2. That is dps together, wipe together if need be (assuming equal skill). GW2 doesn’t have tanks, healers etc.

Assuming there’s even a place for you in a team as ‘support’, the fact that you want to highlight that your health is better than others isn’t saying much for your ability to do dps, which you should be. Never mind the fact that when the team actually ASKS you to support, you complain that you have to do it and wipe as a result.

All to often i see these ‘I play how I want to play’ threads, even if it jeopardizes the team.

Unforgiven Azrael.6203:

While he may be exagerating on how long it take to get the AR, it really does not take that long to get at least a decent amount of it. Trinkets arent that hard to come by, Guild Missions, Laurels, and from the FotM, slot +5s in all those and you are good till at least 20, and that will take you maybe a month, depending on how often you run Guild Missions and if you have saved up laurels

while that is true, you don’t need it for levels 10-20. People used to earn their rings in 10-20, that’s why I don’t see why it’s so wrong for a person to enter 10-20 without AR today when it wasn’t when fractals just released.

To be honest, being a long time fractal runner it makes me laugh when I see LFGs in scales anywhere between 1 to 20 that ask for experienced players, or yell at new players for even making very small mistakes. These are low level fractals. 20+ is normally where people know what they’re doing, 30+ is when they start to get serious about it. 10+? Waaay too early to try and emulate any kind of hardcore behavior if you ask me.

Mirta.5029:

while that is true, you don’t need it for levels 10-20. People used to earn their rings in 10-20, that’s why I don’t see why it’s so wrong for a person to enter 10-20 without AR today when it wasn’t when fractals just released.

To be honest, being a long time fractal runner it makes me laugh when I see LFGs in scales anywhere between 1 to 20 that ask for experienced players, or yell at new players for even making very small mistakes. These are low level fractals. 20+ is normally where people know what they’re doing, 30+ is when they start to get serious about it. 10+? Waaay too early to try and emulate any kind of hardcore behavior if you ask me.

Yes but used to is not now, if he has been playing since beta there is absolutely no excuse not to have AR, especially if he runs fotm with any sort of frequency. And I would not say that asking for AR is hardcore behavior, sure they should have told him what to do after first wipe, but he could also have mentioned that he isnt too familiar with the run

Mirta.5029:

wow these people in this thread.

1. Nothing wrong with support. Especially as low as level 10-19 fractals. I run level 49 with a hybrid necro. Other builds besides the “meta” exist.
2. No agony resist in levels 10-19 are not that bad. When fractals were new, you were expected to earn your rings running 10-19.

and now – don’t sack your main just because of a bad pug. Those would happen even if you did run a zerker warrior

thats when fractals were new, some of the bosses now have more unavoidable agony

ArchieD.6972:

I main a Warrior. I have a certain attachment to him as he was my first character, but I also have 8 other lvl 80s. Now, I also like to support players and love seeing the shields and green numbers when I play my Guardian, especially when I see players on the brink of death and I’m able to save them.

So that’s why today, it’s gonna be hard for me to say goodbye to the Guardian, at least for now. Fractals can take upwards of an hour, hour and a half, which makes getting the Relic rewards at the end pretty important to someone who works more than a full time job and is trying to finish up his degree. Now I know my fights, and I may not have agony resistance, but I know how to survive it and/or avoid it in the 10-19 tier. Me being traited for support, I’m often the only one that stays at full health an entire fight.

But when a group decides it’s best to stack on the last boss of the fractal and eat his stomps while expecting me to throw a Reflecting Wall when we first enter to protect us from the fire from the other boss, there’s not much I can do to survive as I’m not able to heal myself at that critical moment. The first attempt, before they asked me to do that, went okay. We lost most of the party early so I died so we could restart the fight. We wiped a few more times because of various reasons like someone running in early, but long story short, I was kicked because I kept dying while trying to support them instead of helping myself.

So, give thanks to a group of players with a crappy attitude for losing a support player. Guess it’s back to my Warrior where all I care about is swinging my sword.

you need agony resistance for the molten duo, there is just no two ways about it. They definately could have carried you(with afew attempts), however they were probably mad that you didnt have any agony resistance.
agony resistance of a low level isnt expensive.
you can get it for 175 fractal relics, and you can infuse rings.
you can trade rings if you have some on a different charachter because ascended is no longer soulbound
you can infuse a ring with
Upgrade a regular ascended ring in the Mystic Forge using:
1 Shard of Crystallized Mists Essence.png Shard of Crystallized Mists Essence
3 Glob of Coagulated Mists Essence.png Globs of Coagulated Mists Essence
5 Vial of Condensed Mists Essence.png Vials of Condensed Mists Essence

and you can buy a +5 agony slot for like 3 or 4 gold. You can make one yourself with 16 agony +1s you get for doing fractals.

agony is kind of annoying the way its implemented, but its not supposed to be a skill thing anymore. Its just a straight up gate. You basically are supposed to have enough, or just dont even attempt fractals.

Mirta.5029:

Unforgiven Azrael.6203:

While he may be exagerating on how long it take to get the AR, it really does not take that long to get at least a decent amount of it. Trinkets arent that hard to come by, Guild Missions, Laurels, and from the FotM, slot +5s in all those and you are good till at least 20, and that will take you maybe a month, depending on how often you run Guild Missions and if you have saved up laurels

while that is true, you don’t need it for levels 10-20. People used to earn their rings in 10-20, that’s why I don’t see why it’s so wrong for a person to enter 10-20 without AR today when it wasn’t when fractals just released.

To be honest, being a long time fractal runner it makes me laugh when I see LFGs in scales anywhere between 1 to 20 that ask for experienced players, or yell at new players for even making very small mistakes. These are low level fractals. 20+ is normally where people know what they’re doing, 30+ is when they start to get serious about it. 10+? Waaay too early to try and emulate any kind of hardcore behavior if you ask me.

yeah, as someone said, things have changed a bit. Agony will straight kill you now, and bosses throw agony on little attacks now as well. You are basically supposed to have agony.

Also, the upper teens are pretty rough with players that dont know the fights too well. Not impossible, but i have had level 16 runs that took longer, and had more drama than level 38 runs.

Trait altruistisc healing and might on crit. use 2 shouts, WoR and skill 4 staff..you almost invincible in a group

While one can certainly debate the support role and what it is supposed to be, I don’t think it’s relevant here.

To me, it sounds like the group as a whole was neither very experienced nor overly skilled, with a very narrow-minded approach to how the boss battle should be done.

However, to me personally the main problem here is that you did not bring the required AR. I don’t particularly care how it “went well for you before”, actually after reading some of your posts, I arrive at the conclusion that the only reason it was so is because you got carried by decent players. This time however, the group wasn’t good enough to make up for your shortcomings.

Unfortunately, the encounter got the wrong kind of “sense” knocked into you: You abandon the class, instead of simply stocking up on AR. With the ascended gear being account-bound, laurels being easily obtainable and so on, I don’t really see how you can still make excuses about not meeting AR reqs.

Just solo the bosses.

Problem solved.

I wish gw2 had like replay option, where we can click and review dungeon run so we could give you some proper feedback.
But yea majority people said here, get some ar man. U play since beta and don’t wanna get ar is just silly. Also even if u kept dying, rest of team couldn’t carry is fail as well. I never failed fractals, and there were many times where I had to carry. Failing some encounter multiple times is group effort, so in my eyes all of you are bad. But then again I cant say this with 100% certainty without watching that dungeon run.

Also you say your fractal runs usually take hour-hour and half… I mean I’d be pretty kittened if my fractal runs took that long. You don’t even have to be full zerker to cut that in half. The other day I had some “innovator” mace torch guardian 17k ap in SE p1. Run took about 20 minutes which is just dumb. When you run some fail builds you have to realize, you are wasting time for other 4 people. I’m fine with people not being meta zerker but just don’t be mega snail.

Lol… so many bad zerkers in this thread. If you’re good enough you don’t even get hit by anything without even using a skill.
But sadly the game is about doing it as fast as possible as mindless as possible. I guess we won’t be seeing any of you casuals when raids come out, if you think 20 minutes is long.

You play a heal guardian with no AR at a low level fractal with randoms and you are surprised you got kicked when things went badly?

I agree that kicking someone at the last fractal isn’t nice, but you are not entirely innocent here. The meta is there for a reason.

I havent done Fractals that much but I have done quite a few so I have learned some ways to do most fractals. I have been doing Fractals with my old guild with someone leading us and now recently I have been doing Fractals with my own guild where I have been leading us. One day we was short on one player so a Guild member had a friend who had fractal level 47 or something who we let join us. So we played on Fractal level 17-ish and what was so fun was that this player (Who is realy good, kind and helpfull) played the fractal as if it was fractal level 47, he wanted us to stack in a corner becouse if we didn’t mobs would kill us and the fun part was by doing this it all took longer time. It was a slow but sure method.

The point with what I said is that some players learn how to play a Fractal the best way and the most easy way and also they think that is the only way. maby it is the only way at Fractal 40-50 but at 10-19 it is not that hard. In our Guild not everyone has AR yet but we let them join for 10-19 runs anyway becouse they are easy. When we first tried fractal 10 there was only one player who had AR and we managed without much trouble to get to just this boss OP is talking about but they did to much attacks with agony so it was impossible for us to manage a perfect run :P

Anyway in OP’s scenario… If his team would have just scrapped this stupid tactic to stack and reflect they could have done it without OP alive even. It was Fractal level 10-19 not 20 or higher (Not even at 20 it is that hard).

Molch.2078:

You play a heal guardian with no AR at a low level fractal with randoms and you are surprised you got kicked when things went badly?

I agree that kicking someone at the last fractal isn’t nice, but you are not entirely innocent here. The meta is there for a reason.

Thats funny, so you say becouse he play the way he wants he deserves the kick? As I just said in above post, fractal level 10-19 isn’t that hard so Zerker isn’t the only viable stats for this. As I havent got higher than 20-29 Fractals I can’t comment about if you only need Zerkers for higher fractals but I doubt that.

Lol…… you’re not innocent when you play something that isn’t meta? It’s not like it’s criminal or anything.
if anything is criminal is stacking on a boss without even thinking about taking a step back instead of mindlessly stacking.

Support guardian works fairly well in any occasion. . If you bring the right build and know how to position.

The only thing that’s stupid here is not bringing AR. That game system is there to force you to invest in it before you continue. (Although if you’re really good 10-19 agony really doesn’t do that much) You cant soak Agony skills without AR. You really should switch strategies if stacking doesn’t work for your team.

This whole STACKKKK!!!! (Because it’s the only thing we know) attitude is the most harmful thing in this game as it dumbs players down and when it doesn’t work they panic.

we are just hearing one side of the story, and the only thing relevant there is how you “can play since beta” and still be a rather bad player without much insight into the game.