Guild Wars 2

Remember him? When are we slated to encounter this elder dragon? Seems like HoT is going West. When are we going East and how long before we get to see him?

Same can be said for all the other elder dragons causing havoc, I personally want to see the North and go to Jormag

I am also looking forward to kralkatorrik and I suspect we will be seeing him in the next expansion. This is because trahearne said in the world summit instance that the pact were planning to go after kralkatorrik before they heard about mordremoth. I think based on that kralkatorrik is the most likely dragon to be in the next expansion.

I’d bet money that Jormag is next . . . given the circumstances. Probably after Jory we’ll hear something of Krack. Bubbles will definitely be last since almost everyone seems to hate underwater content.

Ardenwolfe.8590:

I’d bet money that Jormag is next . . . given the circumstances. Probably after Jory we’ll hear something of Krack. Bubbles will definitely be last since almost everyone seems to hate underwater content.

Why exactly do you think Jormag will be next? I have not found any evidence of this in game and the only thing I think could suggest that imo is a theory that jormag’s tooth in hoelbrak is going to be broken by Braham. I am just curious as to why you think Jormag is the next dragon because I have seen that theory several times.

But then again, there’s the Glint’s Legacy hidden in the Maguuma Jungle, that can hint a journey to the crystal desert where Kralkatorrik is and maybe elona.

suffish.4150:

Why exactly do you think Jormag will be next? I have not found any evidence of this in game and the only thing I think could suggest that imo is a theory that jormag’s tooth in hoelbrak is going to be broken by Braham. I am just curious as to why you think Jormag is the next dragon because I have seen that theory several times.

It’s a fair question. Given that Jormag represents ‘green’ and ‘vegetation’ or indirectly ‘spring’, once you kill that . . . winter follows. And who represents winter? Also, the story so far follows the races very closely.

Humans = Zhaitan
Sylvari = Mordremoth
Norn = Jormag
Charr = Primordus
Asura = Bubbles (albeit indirectly through their research)

Plus, the norn have Jormag’s story set and ready to go with the base/plot foundation as seen in their introduction. Granted, all this is speculation, but I wouldn’t be shocked if Brahm’s Great Hunt involved Jormag.

So, if ANet follows their racial stories, as they have so far, it’s most likely Jormag given Kralkatorrik was something already used with Destiny’s Edge. Don’t want to repeat that too soon.

Again, all pure speculation. But from a plotting point-of-view, as a writer, this would make the most sense as a logical followup.

Frankly, I hope the next expansion story will move away from the boring elder dragon theme. I want to see characters like Vizier Khilbron and Varesh Ossa again.

I secretly hope for Palawa Joko being the next antagonist, but I know it’s very unlikely.

Ardenwolfe.8590:

Humans = Zhaitan
Sylvari = Mordremoth
Norn = Jormag
Charr = Primordus
Asura = Bubbles (albeit indirectly through their research)

Browhat

Each dragon did do more against one particular race, but you got all of them but Norn wrong.

Humans had their three empires separated by Bubbles, as they were only accessible by sea.
Sylvari cherish life in all its forms which is the opposite of undeath, and most of their Wyld Hunts were against Zhaitan or his minions, the player Sylvari included.
Yeah, Norn got kittened by Jormag.
Charr had Kralk wake up in the Blood Legion homeland, and then when he flew south, he turned huge swathes of their land into the Dragonbrand.
And the Asura were driven to the surface solely due to Primordus.

Mordremoth showed up later, and yes, it does target Sylvari more than the others, but at launch, Zhaitan was the Sylvari’s nemesis dragon.

Arden, your analogy is wrong, because Primordus has absolutely nothing to do with the Charr …

If you would have played GW1 (EotN), you would knew this, because Primordus was deeply awoken underground in Asura/Dwarf Territory, not somewhere like in the Charr Homelands or so …

SO the most fitting race for Primordus, when following your analogy would be:

Asura = Primordus

Charr is Kralkatorrik, because Kralkatorri flew over ascalonian areas and cause there the Dragonbrand, turnign many Charr into crystalline minions of Kralkatorric…

The Deep See Elder Dragon, which is named starting with S 8 (stop this childish Bubbles nonsense, and don’t dare to start now with Steve ….) has no playable race assigned to it.
However, I think we might see perhaps in the future together with the reavel of the true name of the Deep Sea Dragon with its Expansion that will completely redesign the whole Underwater Combat, rebalance it ect. pp also hopefully a redesigned Largos Race, which will become then a new playable Race, so that the Largos will become new allies that we need to be able to fight that Elder Dragon, cause the game needs an underwwater race, thats playable…

However, to make them a playable race, the Largos need some serious redesigns. Biggest problem are their ridiculous static Manta Wings.
Largos should look rather more like this:

http://www.creativeuncut.com/gallery-16/bs-fishman.html

This way would they fit alot better into the game as amphibic race, thats able to live underwater as like on land beign a mixture between fish and reptile basically with fins at hands, feet and the body (shoulders, head ect.) that provide enough individualism spots for character editoring, together with skin colors ect. in with they could be same as colorful like the Sylvari
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Also the whole lore about Largos would need to be improved, we know nearly nothign about them yet..in a very old post of mine, that includes also the picture, i made once suggestions about it, how the four “Houses” could be like for them for the character editor, as Houses would work for the Largos at the Character Editor naturally as individualization options, like Charr have to choose Warbands, like Asuras have to choose colleges ect. the Largos should have then 3 Houses.

PS. but ive to disagree with captain…Zhaitan fits to the Humans, because Zhaitans lair is ORR, an old former Kingdom of the HUMANS, what is again something, only someone can know, who played GW1 …pfff
Sylvari may have had nightmares of Zhaitan, buts its absolutely not their nemesis dragon, Mordremoth is, because hes basically the ancient origin of the Sylvari, which is why hes able to control their minds and turn them now agaisnt us. SYlvari are his minions basically, and got so far only protected from the strong bond of Ventari’s Dream of Peace and the fact, that Mordemoth wasn’t awakened so that he could try to corrupt their minds, but what he did instantly with Scarlet at the moment, where she thought she would see the Eternal Alchemy, but in fact saw Mordremoth and the reality, that the Sylvari are his minions.

Thats why Scarlet knew, that Caithe is hidign a secret over Faolain …cause she knew already before her the truth about the Sylvari.

However, enough lore tak, the analogy is imo this way correct:

Humans : Zhaitan
Norn: Jormag
Sylvari: Mordremoth
Charr: Kralkatorric
Asura: Primordus
Largos: S would be the most fitting last point. Would make then also sense, why Anet added at all the Largos race, which wasn’t ever seen before at all in GW1, not even talked or read about, like all the other races, before EotN introduced first the Asura and Norn and the futurous Sylvari.

FrostSpectre.4198:

But then again, there’s the Glint’s Legacy hidden in the Maguuma Jungle, that can hint a journey to the crystal desert where Kralkatorrik is and maybe elona.

Interesting..
Prophecies took us to Maguuma Jungle before going to Crystal Desert, i guess history is repeating itself.

I’m talking about the associations of what each dragon did to each race and their connections story-wise. For example, Zhaitan destroyed Orr and most of his ‘minions’ are humans of a sort. The only reason we know about ‘Bubbles’ is because of the Asura research in Mount Maelstrom (sp). As far as the Charr – think fire . . . fire shamans . . . and their history.

Again, I’m not saying it’s written in stone, but pure speculation. As far as sylvari not being linked to Mord . . . really? Are we playing the same game?

But I will admit I don’t know much about Kralkatorric, so yes Char fit more nicely with him in hindsight.

I think we should go straight to Primordy. Since we already have a stoned dwarf who can lead the way.

I just want to see the deep sea dragon, nothing else just see it. Like i think i should be the largest and not a typical dragon but still a recognisable dragon unlike Zhaitan.

suffish.4150:

Why exactly do you think Jormag will be next? I have not found any evidence of this in game and the only thing I think could suggest that imo is a theory that jormag’s tooth in hoelbrak is going to be broken by Braham. I am just curious as to why you think Jormag is the next dragon because I have seen that theory several times.

There is a LOT of hints in the original personal story – and even Season 2 – that hint that the norn are preparing to assault Jormag.

If you have a Whispers character, there’s a NPC outside Bear Lodge in Hoelbrak that says Knut is training forces to fight Jormag. Talking to Knut’s sons (on any Order PC) indicate that a lot of norn are growing restless at the lack of action towards fighting Jormag and that some are wanting to take the fight to Jormag with or without breaking that tooth.

In the PS step Against the Corruption, the Bear Havroun Grechen says that many norn hope to take down Jormag if the Pact succeeds against Zhaitan.

Throughout the open world and PS, such as the Priory C4 storyline, there are indications that Jormag’s forces are growing larger as of late and becoming more active – and this is furthered in Season 2, with the boost to The Barrowstead meta with the lore behind it being that the Sons of Svanir are becoming more aggressive and kidnapping more norn to turn into icebrood/convert.

Captain Unusual.9163:

Humans had their three empires separated by Bubbles, as they were only accessible by sea.
Sylvari cherish life in all its forms which is the opposite of undeath, and most of their Wyld Hunts were against Zhaitan or his minions, the player Sylvari included.

Actually, Zhaitan has been a bigger threat to humans than any other dragon, and towards no other races more than humans.

When Zhaitan rose, he cut off contact with the other nations – not the DSD – and flooded Kryta, and in the past 150 years ince his rising had assaulted the coastline of (mostly former) human lands.

Risen appearance on the Tarnished Coast is stated to be relatively new, and likely only because sylvari presence is new there too. The sylvari have no more against Zhaitan than they do against Jormag and Kralkatorrik – their Wyld Hunts can be against any dragon, the only reason we see a lot more towards Zhaitan is that Zhaitan was the main focus of the initial plot.

Captain Unusual.9163:

Mordremoth showed up later, and yes, it does target Sylvari more than the others, but at launch, Zhaitan was the Sylvari’s nemesis dragon.

Zhaitan was more of Lion’s Arch’s nemesis dragon, more than sylvari really. He only seemed to be the sylvari’s nemesis dragon by all appearances simply because the most focus was tossed on him. I’m sure if there was equal focus on Jormag and Kralkatorrik, we’d be seeing plenty more sylvari there too, to match the lore we’ve been told.

Ardenwolfe.8590:

The only reason we know about ‘Bubbles’ is because of the Asura research in Mount Maelstrom (sp). As far as the Charr – think fire . . . fire shamans . . . and their history.

1. Nothing relates the Flame Legion to Primordus except for a short couple-month-long action. Hardly a tie to the race.
2. Inquest research was not the first mention of the DSD. We actually know the most of the DSD from the quaggan and ancient scrolls of jotun, dwarf, and Six Gods.

Ardenwolfe.8590:

I’m talking about the associations of what each dragon did to each race and their connections story-wise. For example, Zhaitan destroyed Orr and most of his ‘minions’ are humans of a sort. The only reason we know about ‘Bubbles’ is because of the Asura research in Mount Maelstrom (sp). As far as the Charr – think fire . . . fire shamans . . . and their history.

The Asura were driven from their original homes (under the ground) by Primordus. So, if you were to tie a dragon to a race, the Asura would get Primordus before they’d get Bubbles. And yeah, Charr would definitely be more tied to Kralkatorrik, as was already said.