Guild Wars 2

ok so lately when i post my lfg’s with anything relating to SW i keep getting alot of selfish players who join my party and taxi in on me and leave party causing my lfg posts to get reset and i wanted to know is this considered lfg system abuse when i clearly state i am not a taxi and players use me like one anyway

anyone who uses lfg tool often knows when solo you get 5 mins before your posts gets reset and can only make 3 posts before becoming suppressed so between trolls and selfish players abusing my post to taxi in i quite often pretty much on a daily basis encounter this problem and i generally report it and inform said players im doing so (who knows mebey itl scare them in to not doing it to someone else) pretty sure Anet never take action against these players so i wanna know what Anets policy on this is plz

When i go to SW i take one of the groups offering an event map, then i TP to the map. Then i run to a base and help with the events. I usually leave the group fast so the leader can taxi more people… A m I doing it wrong?

I wonder if they could add a LFG filter to only show parties in your current map instance… seems like that would be pretty handy.

Arkanthor.2307:

When i go to SW i take one of the groups offering an event map, then i TP to the map. Then i run to a base and help with the events. I usually leave the group fast so the leader can taxi more people… A m I doing it wrong?

no you are not doing it wrong that not what i mean for me personaly i sell certain services via lfg and am often alone doing so and my post states i an NOT a taxi yet players use me like one anyway
if your joining a post for a sw event map that’s perfectly fine and leaving party asap is good just so long as you are not the only person currently in party coz if you leave the person alone it disbands the party and removes the post this is whats happening to me

thefinnster.7105:

…for me personaly i sell certain services via lfg …

What services are you selling in SW with the LFG tool?

What exactly do you write in your LFG party?

Belzebu.3912:

What exactly do you write in your LFG party?

it varys depending what im doing at the time but usualy begins with NOT A TAXI in caps if i have the room in my post witch isnt allways

Dolphin.2574:

thefinnster.7105:

…for me personaly i sell certain services via lfg …

What services are you selling in SW with the LFG tool?

i dont realy wana say on the forums incasae anet decide its an atempt to sell said services and remove the thread

thefinnster.7105:

Belzebu.3912:

What exactly do you write in your LFG party?

it varys depending what im doing at the time but usualy begins with NOT A TAXI in caps if i have the room in my post witch isnt allways

Depending on what you write, it could be taken either way.

Putting an LFG up so that you can get help with a particular event is fine, and if a player joins your party and leaves once they have arrived at your map is also ok, providing that they help you with the event that you wanted help with. (Morally speaking)

However, a player has every right to leave the party if they wish to do so. They are not obliged to stay. Also, it would be very difficult for A-net to determine which players are “abusing” your LFG by using you as a taxi for their own convenience, if they misclicked (thinking you were a taxi) or if they did indeed help you with your event, just without being in your party.

I have seen instances where joining and leaving can be considered as LFG abuse, but these are very rare and niche instances. Mostly these are if somebody has a dungeon LFG up (often a seller) and another seller/friend of another seller will repeatedly join and disband the party/lfg add so that the original seller is at a disadvantage.

thefinnster.7105:

Belzebu.3912:

What exactly do you write in your LFG party?

it varys depending what im doing at the time but usualy begins with NOT A TAXI in caps if i have the room in my post witch isnt allways

I see.
Well, I imagine that most of the times people are just trying to taxi and leaving as usual barely paying attention to what exactly it is written, they see the words “taxi” and “sw” and just go.
I can’t see why people would just intentionally taxi using your LFG just to mess with it, I just would assume that there are many players that doesn’t read at all

thefinnster.7105:

Dolphin.2574:

thefinnster.7105:

…for me personaly i sell certain services via lfg …

What services are you selling in SW with the LFG tool?

i dont realy wana say on the forums incasae anet decide its an atempt to sell said services and remove the thread

If you’re being evasive because you’re afraid of thread closure, there’s a pretty good chance what you’re going is against the rules and you shouldn’t be complaining that you’re getting walked on.

thefinnster.7105:

Dolphin.2574:

thefinnster.7105:

…for me personaly i sell certain services via lfg …

What services are you selling in SW with the LFG tool?

i dont realy wana say on the forums incasae anet decide its an atempt to sell said services and remove the thread

This seems kinda silly then… why are you complaining about being inconvenienced when you’re probably breaking the rules?

If this is the case, and you’re selling an item or selling portals, then it might be that somebody is trying to inconvenience you because you’re breaking the rules. Not saying that the person disbanding your LFG ad is doing the right thing, though.

Azure Fang.8605:

thefinnster.7105:

Dolphin.2574:

thefinnster.7105:

…for me personaly i sell certain services via lfg …

What services are you selling in SW with the LFG tool?

i dont realy wana say on the forums incasae anet decide its an atempt to sell said services and remove the thread

If you’re being evasive because you’re afraid of thread closure, there’s a pretty good chance what you’re going is against the rules and you shouldn’t be complaining that you’re getting walked on.

no what i do is legit i will not say exactly what i sell sufice ot say i sell party spots for variouse acheivments witch is perfectly fine
but we are getting off topic
the players i speak of simply join me taxi in to my map and bail without saying a word i usually message them and give them a chance to apologise for it and some taunt me and others ignore me few apologize generally if a player apologies i let it slide ignore me or taunt me i report them
personaly i like it when they taunt me coz then i have evidence of there transgressions in the chat log

ps i am evasive because using the forums to sell services like this is against forum policy not in game policy

thefinnster.7105:

Azure Fang.8605:

thefinnster.7105:

Dolphin.2574:

thefinnster.7105:

…for me personaly i sell certain services via lfg …

What services are you selling in SW with the LFG tool?

i dont realy wana say on the forums incasae anet decide its an atempt to sell said services and remove the thread

If you’re being evasive because you’re afraid of thread closure, there’s a pretty good chance what you’re going is against the rules and you shouldn’t be complaining that you’re getting walked on.

no what i do is legit i will not say exactly what i sell sufice ot say i sell party spots for variouse acheivments witch is perfectly fine
but we are getting off topic
the players i speak of simply join me taxi in to my map and bail without saying a word i usually message them and give them a chance to apologise for it and some taunt me and others ignore me few apologize generally if a player apologies i let it slide ignore me or taunt me i report them
personaly i like it when they taunt me coz then i have evidence of there transgressions in the chat log

ps i am evasive because using the forums to sell services like this is against forum policy not in game policy

As I said before, a player does have the right to leave a party if they want to. You reporting them for leaving your party is (what I would consider) overreacting. I’ve left parties before, for example, if I realised I haven’t actually got the time to complete X instance.

It would be considered LFG abuse if somebody kept on entering your party purely to disband it. So, by all means report somebody if they enter and leave your party 3 times.

Going after a party leaver and demanding an apology is also not the right thing to do. Even if somebody responded to you abusively, action might not be taken because you could be seen as provoking the attack. Also, a demanded apology isn’t necessarily a sincere one… it just seems a little unnecessary to me.

Also, if somebody joined your Achi-selling party and then decided not to pay after completing the achi, I don’t think A-net can help you. Selling dungeons/achievements is done at the seller’s risk.

Its SW people have 0.00001 sec to get in party before its full so there is good change they didt read all what you wrote.

no crimsion i don’t demand an apology i usually say something along the lines of letting them know they just rest my lfg post by using me as a taxi i dont ask for an apology in any way but i expect one after i have let them know what they done is wrong its thne up to the player to say sorry if they ignore me or taunt me that’s when i report them

You get stupid people like that. I’ve put up lfgs where I want to go to a SW that’s brand new/20% or thereabouts. I post in the lfg “LF fresh SW map – I AM NOT A TAXI” (exactly that), and still you get idiots joining your party.

There’s no excuse for not reading the posted lfg. The descriptions are there for a reason. All you can do is vent about it to guildies/friends and move on.

thefinnster.7105:

no crimsion i don’t demand an apology i usually say something along the lines of letting them know they just rest my lfg post by using me as a taxi i dont ask for an apology in any way but i expect one after i have let them know what they done is wrong its thne up to the player to say sorry if they ignore me or taunt me that’s when i report them

If you’re reporting them for just ignoring you, or taunting you, then YOU are in the wrong. Baseless or knowingly false use of the game’s reporting system can lead to you being banned or sanctioned in some way.

Frankly, if it’s such an issue for you, start advertising in mapchat only.

Aidan Savage.2078:

thefinnster.7105:

no crimsion i don’t demand an apology i usually say something along the lines of letting them know they just rest my lfg post by using me as a taxi i dont ask for an apology in any way but i expect one after i have let them know what they done is wrong its thne up to the player to say sorry if they ignore me or taunt me that’s when i report them

If you’re reporting them for just ignoring you, or taunting you, then YOU are in the wrong. Baseless or knowingly false use of the game’s reporting system can lead to you being banned or sanctioned in some way.

Frankly, if it’s such an issue for you, start advertising in mapchat only.

no i report them for what i see as an abuse of the lfg system not for the lack of apology or taunting me you misunderstand i merely give them the opportunity to say sorry and avoid being reported for lfg system abuse

If it is such of a big deal and means so much to you, just contact the support team directly. Also, for kitten’s sake, just find a decent, active guild that offers taxis to maps that you need. It is a lot faster and if you have a problem with the people using lfg, you can avoid them. Just use some sense.

And if this doesn’t cover the problem you are having, you should consider finding another means of getting gold, other than selling achis.

why should i have to change what i wana do because of selfish players abusing me like im there private taxi i offer a legit service at a bargain price and consider what i do to be good work for the community
i don’t think its right i should be forced to find another way to make gold because of these selfish players im not the problem they are

thefinnster.7105:

why should i have to change what i wana do because of selfish players abusing me like im there private taxi i offer a legit service at a bargain price and consider what i do to be good work for the community
i don’t think its right i should be forced to find another way to make gold because of these selfish players im not the problem they are

These players aren’t being selfish, they’re just joining anything that says “SW” because a lot of the time, you have to act very fast to actually get in to a taxi. A simple mistake is not being selfish.

Why would a player want to join on you as a taxi if they’re not sure if they’re going to get a good map, anyway?

You could always try advertising in the LS part of the LFG thing instead of open-world content.

I would also debate how charitable your action is, if you’re personally gaining from it. But that’s another story for another time.

You’re not being forced to find another way of making gold. Your choice is this: you either deal with the obstacles (people making honest mistakes, for the most part) or you find another way of making gold without the obstacles. Or, you could try naming your LFG something that doesn’t contain “SW” or “Taxi”, just the achievement name and listing it away from Open World content.

Reporting people for leaving your party innocently can be considered as abusing the report feature. It is not going to help you, it’s more likely to land yourself in hot water.

There might be other reasons why people leave your party, even if their intentions were to complete the content with you. Perhaps they didn’t realise they had to pay, they didn’t like the cost (or didn’t think your service was appropriate for the cost), or didn’t want to wait.

I’ve had a lot of people leave parties (dungeons, achievements etc) because they wanted to enter straight away and couldn’t deal with waiting a couple of minutes. Some people are impatient like that. It’s just one of those things.

To add on this, surely if people were looking for ‘achievements’ to buy, wouldn’t they look for the name of the achi, not ‘SW’? Something seems off when you say that.

This phenomenon is an unfortunate (for the OP) side effect of poor game design, due to mega-servers and that the only way to join a specific map is to be in a party and click “Join In.” Thus, taxiing.

Possible solutions:

• Player work-around (may not be possible or desirable for the OP): make sure you start the party with one friend who is also in the party, but is doing his/her own thing. Therefore, leavers would not cancel your post.
• Programming solution: remove the stricture that a party listing is cancelled if player(s) join and then leave the party starter alone. Since I’m not sure what this is in aid of in the first place, I cannot comment on negative aspects of this idea.
• Programming solution: Once in a persistent world map, there is a drop-down listing and numbering the various instances, and players can chose which one to go to. If you’re attempting to join friends, etc. just get the correct number from them. This worked in the original GW. A possible no-go to this idea is that there is something about system architecture that prevents this (more bad design, then) or ANet does no want this due to other reasons that they have not shared (that I’ve seen).

Have you tried altering your LFG post to NOT include “Silverwastes” or “SW” in the title? That way you’re far less likely to get taxi-searchers joining you. Just put something along the lines of “Selling >achievement name< portal/help”.

Also, reporting people for LFG abuse just because they don’t respond to a whisper is an abuse of the reporting function.

RoseofGilead.8907:

Have you tried altering your LFG post to NOT include “Silverwastes” or “SW” in the title? That way you’re far less likely to get taxi-searchers joining you. Just put something along the lines of “Selling >achievement name< portal/help”.

Also, reporting people for LFG abuse just because they don’t respond to a whisper is an abuse of the reporting function.

most of my posts dont contain the the letters SW for that reason , but still lets say my party says im doing mystery cave or no refuge some players know this is a SW activity and assume i will most likely be in the main sw map waiting to start and they decide since no one is posting an actual SW event map or chest farm they will join and take there chances and find out the state of mine and hope to get lucky
sometimes i do have friends join my party and stop the reset but that’s not always possible

OP what you are doing is LFG abuse, not those who join your party and leave right after.

Recently Anet had clearly stated that selling things through LFG is considered LFG abuse and is against the terms of service. Using LFG to sell things is a bannable offense now and can get your account temporarily suspended.

OP if I were you I would stop doing what you’re doing. You are in the wrong here, not the people you’re complaining about.

thefinnster.7105:

no crimsion i don’t demand an apology i usually say something along the lines of letting them know they just rest my lfg post by using me as a taxi i dont ask for an apology in any way but i expect one after i have let them know what they done is wrong its thne up to the player to say sorry if they ignore me or taunt me that’s when i report them

That sound very much like demanding an apology (since well if they dont you report them), but you are just not clear about it… which just makes it worse than straight up demanding it

1. There’s nothing wrong with offering to help people get achievements in silverwastes or other maps.
2. It’s also okay to ask for a fee (although asking for tips seems to work out better).
3. There’s also nothing wrong with people joining a group, taxiing in, and dropping.

tl;dr imo, the OP isn’t doing anything wrong, but neither are those joining the OP’s party.

It would be helpful if ANet would add a category to LFG for “Achievements” and “Farming” (or something like that) — that would make it easier for people to find the right groups.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

1. There’s nothing wrong with offering to help people get achievements in silverwastes or other maps.
2. It’s also okay to ask for a fee (although asking for tips seems to work out better).
3. There’s also nothing wrong with people joining a group, taxiing in, and dropping.

tl;dr imo, the OP isn’t doing anything wrong, but neither are those joining the OP’s party.

It would be helpful if ANet would add a category to LFG for “Achievements” and “Farming” (or something like that) — that would make it easier for people to find the right groups.

yeah ive often thought there should be a category for those doing/selling achievements to try and help filter that stuff in to an area more suitable
its been suggested i use the LS section but what i do isn’t story related

Maybe ANet will care you’re being taken advantage of, IDK?

But, I doubt most other players will do, because they will feel you’re trying to take advantage of them via selling achieves.

Whether that is allowed by ANet, or not.

thefinnster.7105:

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

1. There’s nothing wrong with offering to help people get achievements in silverwastes or other maps.
2. It’s also okay to ask for a fee (although asking for tips seems to work out better).
3. There’s also nothing wrong with people joining a group, taxiing in, and dropping.

tl;dr imo, the OP isn’t doing anything wrong, but neither are those joining the OP’s party.

It would be helpful if ANet would add a category to LFG for “Achievements” and “Farming” (or something like that) — that would make it easier for people to find the right groups.

yeah ive often thought there should be a category for those doing/selling achievements to try and help filter that stuff in to an area more suitable
its been suggested i use the LS section but what i do isn’t story related

Dungeon/Achi selling whilst not being a reportable offence, isn’t supported by A-net, so you’re very unlikely to ever get a solution to your problem. It’s a pretty grey area in the rules.

But if you’re selling “achievements” that aren’t story related, I have to assume that you’re selling portals to the Lost Badges/Coins or portals through the Drydock Scratch JP. According to Gaile, selling of portals through the LFG is against the rules. You are allowed to sell portals, but you cannot advertise through the LFG.

The reasoning is that LFG is to find likeminded players for group content, selling a portal is not considered group content.

I can find the links for all this information if you want, but you could also find it in the “Policy on the LFG Tool” thread that is stickied in this subforum if you want to find it yourself.

It seems to me that you’re treading a thin line, if you are indeed portal selling and then reporting people for leaving your party.

I guess advertising portal selling is not allowed as it’s not actually looking For a group to do content.

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Gaile Gray.6029:

Seka.5647:

What about selling access to ones home instance for gathering resources? Namely I just spotted this new type of selling in lfg just about an hour ago : " Sell access crafting nodes (17) for 20 silver…..->" . Does it belong to the dungeon sort of selling section or is it abusing the lfg due to selling access to “items”?

• Advertising an access portal is not allowed.
• Guild Recruitment is not allowed.

Both are unrelated to forming a group and therefore are not part of the intended purpose of the Looking for Group Tool.

True, I forgot about that announcement about portal LFG posts. So yeah, that’s technically not allowed and can be reported as LFG abuse.

thefinnster.7105:

most of my posts dont contain the the letters SW for that reason , but still lets say my party says im doing mystery cave or no refuge some players know this is a SW activity and assume i will most likely be in the main sw map waiting to start and they decide since no one is posting an actual SW event map or chest farm they will join and take there chances and find out the state of mine and hope to get lucky

I find this unlikely. If one just “hopes to get lucky” one can simply waypoint to SW and see where it is without needing to join random SW groups. Most likely people are misclicking, since the LFG listings move around so quickly, and leaving as soon as they realize you were not the group they were looking for. I know that if I act as a taxi, or join a taxi, I have an interest in degrouping fast because I run around SW doing my own thing as the mood takes me, though usually I head to Amber because I enjoy defending Amber and escorting its bulls.

Achievement selling seems odd to me. I’m always happy to help anyone who asks for free, and I think there are enough like me that no one should have to spend coin on it.

RoseofGilead.8907:

True, I forgot about that announcement about portal LFG posts. So yeah, that’s technically not allowed and can be reported as LFG abuse.

Usually, I’m on ANet’s side about exploits/abuses, but I feel this distinction is arbitrary. Plus, it would be mostly a non-issue if there was a separate category for achievements. Some people would post offers to help (and some of those would accept tips); others would offer to sell a service. I’m not sure how that is any different from doing a dungeon for people and selling completion as a service.

Still, it’s their gaming world, so we have to stick with their rules.

For the OP: try just offering the service, without mention of the fee. See if that changes things. (People who do that have said they make good money from tips, but I don’t know how it compares to what you’re making.)

It’s possible that it’s allowed. If you read the post.

“What about selling access to ones home instance for gathering resources? Namely I just spotted this new type of selling in lfg just about an hour ago : " Sell access crafting nodes (17) for 20 silver…..->" . Does it belong to the dungeon sort of selling section or is it abusing the lfg due to selling access to “items”?"

“Advertising an access portal is not allowed.
Guild Recruitment is not allowed.”

Reading it shows that the question is not about Mesmer portals but about access to the seller’s home instance, specifically here, the sellers home instance portal.

The OP here is trying to make a group just like a dungeon seller is attempting to make a group. Both are temporary groups to sell a particular ingame content. If dungeon selling is allowed, this should be allowed also. Like I said, the portal Gaile was talking about was a home instance portal, not a mesmer portal, and therefore she hasn’t said that selling Mesmer portals on the LFG is against it’s intent of use.

Good point about the home instance part.

Yet the reasoning still remains. A portal is a portal, people have asked about mesmer portals time and time again, but get redirected back to the quote above.

Personally I stand by the fact that offering a mesmer port doesn’t really count as “group content”, as convenient as mesmer ports are. The “group content” point is the crux at where argument seems to fall apart. This seems to be what the red-posts point to as well.

I would personally advise against it (as with any rule-breaking/likely rule-breaking), because you are likely to be repored. However, I assume you are unlikely to be suspended/banned purely for this (since it is still a fairly grey area), but it doesn’t stop A-net putting an infraction mark on your account. On the other hand, even if the rules aren’t necessarily clear to the players, A-net could still punish you for such a thing… they have every right to according to the ToS.

I would also like to mention here that it doesn’t matter if you’re offering the portal for free, advertising it through LFG is still against the rules.

It’s a sticky selling point, but I’ve seen a lot less people advertising JP ports using LFG since the “Policy on the LFG Tool” post has been made. Maybe it’s just coincidence/cognitive bias, maybe it’s playerbase paranoia, maybe A-net is taking some action. Who knows.