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Posted by: Kedarrian.2905

Kedarrian.2905

When creating an LFG listing, we should be able to set which classes can join our party and which can’t. An optional extra box, where you click the icon of which classes can join.

If someone isn’t of that class, then the lfg listing is greyed out and they cant join. It would be easier than having to write out a large text, one which people sometimes fail to take the time to hover over and read. Currently, people can join who didn’t care enough to read the lfg or willfully ignored it. Or simply didn’t understand it, which all gives pretty much the same result and turns forming a group into an ordeal.

This change will help pug groups who have a specific compostion in mind to tackle certain content. And as ever, people WILL remain free to join a whole raft of alternative partiues or create their own parties in which they permit any composition they like

It’s very fair that when you create a party, you should be able to have a say, if you want one, on which classes can join. And for it to be a much simpler, smoother, no hassle process.

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Posted by: Crimson Clouds.4853

Crimson Clouds.4853

I understand why you’re suggesting it.

There are players who want to run a warrior only speed clear or whatever, and if a non-warrior joins it’s just a waste of everybody’s time.

However, I do feel that by including such a filter would entice players who don’t usually stipulate such things to filter because “they can”.

Setting a filter to allow all classes in apart from necros (for example) is a lot easier (psychologically, morally) than crossing your fingers that a necro doesn’t join, or voting to kick a necro if they do join.

The current system (and lack of filters) invites players to not be picky about who gets let in to the party. I think that this sort of fairness is important for A-net, and for the player base.

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Posted by: Azrael.4960

Azrael.4960

So you want a function to enable even more profession discrimination than is already present in the game. No thanks.

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Posted by: Dante.1763

Dante.1763

Yay! lets make it so nobody will let rangers into dungeon groups anymore!

The pvp community reminds me of what Obi-kittenenobi describes Mos Eisley as from star wars.

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Posted by: Cyninja.2954

Cyninja.2954

So you want a function to enable even more profession discrimination than is already present in the game. No thanks.

I understand why you are asking for this feature TC. But this.

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Posted by: Vech.7396

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I always wonder about these topics, has said OP every really played all professions, or are they just regurgitating what other have said about dungeon running.
I’ve played all professions in all dungeons and can say they all work, some faster than others, but never would I venture a necessity to imagine discriminating against a profession, if anything this “tool” would let Anet know which class needs further scrutiny.

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Posted by: Illconceived Was Na.9781

Illconceived Was Na.9781

It’s very fair that when you create a party, you should be able to have a say, if you want one, on which classes can join.

I agree with this and you already have a say.

And for it to be a much simpler, smoother, no hassle process.

I don’t agree with this. You want to restrict who joins you party? Go ahead, but I don’t see why the game should make it easy.

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Posted by: Crimson Clouds.4853

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I always wonder about these topics, has said OP every really played all professions, or are they just regurgitating what other have said about dungeon running.
I’ve played all professions in all dungeons and can say they all work, some faster than others, but never would I venture a necessity to imagine discriminating against a profession, if anything this “tool” would let Anet know which class needs further scrutiny.

I agree- unless a player really is running a meta build perfectly, there is little difference between professions and the ease that a dungeon is cleared. From what I’ve experienced in pug dungeons, a fast run comes from a player knowing the mechanics of the dungeon, not if they’re running such-and-such a build on X class.

However, there are a lot of “pseudo-elite” in the community that will not tolerate anything other than what they think is best. Certain classes get bad rep because they fall last in the meta, and suddenly everybody thinks that this class is unplayable in a dungeon.

So in short, it’s not about fact- it’s about community perspective.

As for A-net using it as a “tool”… I think that this tool would bring a lot of data that has questionable validity. The game will never be perfectly balanced. Each class has a corner where it seems to really excel in and some seem to fill multiple niches.

Something that is incredibly important to point out: a tool like this causes most problems for new players. A-net absolutely prize new players and they want to keep attrition rate as low as possible. If a new player rolls a necromancer or ranger and at level 30 they want to do AC, they’ll find it even more difficult to do so. They can’t just go onto their warrior or guardian alt like many veteran players might be able to.

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Posted by: zenleto.6179

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Yay! lets make it so nobody will let rangers into dungeon groups anymore!

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Posted by: Geneaux.9547

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LFG Filter. I see alot of unhappy necros in that future. I think this idea is best left alone. If you want a particular class, define it in the party description. There is enough characters to type that out. And if the party requirement is not filled, there is always the kick function.

Going off a tangent here but: There seems to me there’s some duality in the relationship people have with necros. They don’t want want to be the kitten that says no to necros but on the other hand would likely be the first people to jump ship on the idea of a LFG filter.

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Posted by: Elitejelly.7462

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I always wonder about these topics, has said OP every really played all professions, or are they just regurgitating what other have said about dungeon running.
I’ve played all professions in all dungeons and can say they all work, some faster than others, but never would I venture a necessity to imagine discriminating against a profession, if anything this “tool” would let Anet know which class needs further scrutiny.

I wonder the same thing. All classes have different roles, and some are better than others but, not a huge difference to turn away certain professions. It’s more about the players ability to play their profession and knowledge of the dungeon.

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Posted by: Miku.6297

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I normally would be 100% against something that adds exclusivity to play, but there is one positive arguement for a lfg filter like this. As it currently stands groups sometimes will put if they are looking for specific classes in their LFG message; many times they don’t. If a class joins they don’t like two people vote kick and the cycle continues. Over all what I’m saying is: People that want to use this type of thing for exclusive play ALREADY do use the current tools to play that way.

The one big hole I see in the whole LFG filter idea is. Group A lists for a warrior only, player b joins as a warrior then instantly switches characters.

What I would support: A LFG filter that lets you flag classes you would prefer or not prefer to join, anyone can still join but it would let players that are concerned about speed or performance help find like minded players.

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Posted by: Chameleon Dude.1564

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So, if I’m playing on my guardian, I’d have to swap character before I could join; as opposed to afterwards?

I see the logic behind the idea, but joining to get the spot and quickly swapping characters is a thing.

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Posted by: Deedrick.4372

Deedrick.4372

Just wondering, whats to stop some one from switching toons after jumping through your filter hoops? I can see the appeal of this system, but i can’t see anything realistically coming from this idea if you actually think it through. Your best option is already there, type out what you want and if some one fails to read kick them.

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Posted by: Cazamar.7148

Cazamar.7148

This a stupid idea and will never happen. There is really little difference between classes. Most people run zerker and dps burn and dodge when they need to. I play necro and can run dungeons fine. OP is acting like an elist that most people hate when running dungeons.

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Posted by: Miku.6297

Miku.6297

There is really little difference between classes.

I agree with the idea everyone should be able to play what ever class they like in a dungeon, however this line is blatantly untrue… There is definitely a power balance issue for some classes in dungeons

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Posted by: JediYoda.1275

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The problem isn’t bad classes just bad players and bad builds sometimes both in one!!!

Saturday in lvl 1 fractal we had an lvl 80 ele literally got downed every few sec we had constantly rez him/her through the hole run. I told him/her to get better armor and go to metabattle for a better build. I only but up with it to just get the daily done!!

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Posted by: Cazamar.7148

Cazamar.7148

The problem isn’t bad classes just bad players and bad builds sometimes both in one!!!

Saturday in lvl 1 fractal we had an lvl 80 ele literally got downed every few sec we had constantly rez him/her though the hole run. I told him/her to get better armor and go to metabattle for a better build. I only but up with it to just get the daily done!!

This is what I am saying. Just because I play a necro doesn’t mean I suck. I run dungeons very well but there is this mentality that necro dps sucks. It is more that some players suck. Although I agree that necro dps is not as high as some other class that does not mean that they should be discriminated against in LFG.

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Posted by: Fermi.2409

Fermi.2409

Just wondering, whats to stop some one from switching toons after jumping through your filter hoops?

They’d get kicked, but in general I really doubt people would do that.

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Posted by: DeamonSamurai.6504

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No most wouldn’t bother to run dungeons anymore to save from being discriminated against. It is another way for the elitists to get their way and WoWitize this game too.

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Posted by: Azure The Heartless.3261

Azure The Heartless.3261

No. You’d both doom necros completely and increase queue times significantly for non guardian classes.

itll be just like holy trinity mmo queues.

If you want to discriminate based on class, go through the effort of doing so and convincing your party members to do the same.

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Posted by: DonQuack.9025

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I think one would doom “crap” necro’s. Good necro’s are valued, as are good rangers.

increase queue times for non guardian classes? WHAT? WAT?

why would you want more than 1 guardian pretty much …. ever?

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Posted by: Torenn.2598

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If people are that picky about their group composition, why don’t they just go on guild/friend runs where coordination would likely be much easier?

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Posted by: DonQuack.9025

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It is more that most necro’s and rangers suck.

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Posted by: Azure The Heartless.3261

Azure The Heartless.3261

I think one would doom “crap” necro’s. Good necro’s are valued, as are good rangers.

increase queue times for non guardian classes? WHAT? WAT?

why would you want more than 1 guardian pretty much …. ever?

>filter button

[]necros
[]rangers
[]thieves
[]etc.

likely, a way to allow [](good necros) would not exist. either all or nothing.
Also, all the guardians would be auto-queued for a group, which might cause groups that don’t have one to specify needing one instead of anything else.

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Posted by: Yenn.9185

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If people are that picky about their group composition, why don’t they just go on guild/friend runs where coordination would likely be much easier?

Because that’s not always possible. Your play time may be different than guild/friends, or they may already have done the path. Also, organizing 4 other friends/guildies when you’re short in time to run maybe 1 or 2 paths, well, could take time. PuG is still the fastest way to get a group at your most convenient.

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Posted by: Linken.6345

Linken.6345

The problem isn’t bad classes just bad players and bad builds sometimes both in one!!!

Saturday in lvl 1 fractal we had an lvl 80 ele literally got downed every few sec we had constantly rez him/her though the hole run. I told him/her to get better armor and go to metabattle for a better build. I only but up with it to just get the daily done!!

This is what I am saying. Just because I play a necro doesn’t mean I suck. I run dungeons very well but there is this mentality that necro dps sucks. It is more that some players suck. Although I agree that necro dps is not as high as some other class that does not mean that they should be discriminated against in LFG.

its not the dps thats the problem mate, its the lack of offensive support (fire fields or blast finishers for others fields) and the defensive support you can give regen/protection/blind is already covered better by other classes.

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Posted by: Kedarrian.2905

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OP here, i see my thread has returned to the front.

1. Firstly, to all the many posts in here about class ‘x’ and ‘y’ being resultingly excluded.

Now basically, it reads as there is little problem because the overwhelming majority of you sound very open to including all classes in your groups and don’t have a discriminating perspective. Now the idea is that ‘other’ people do, but you are effectively the other people, if you follow me. And it sounds like you are inclusivly minded. Unless you yoursleves would seek to exlude class x and y?

2. This is not essentially about that idea of excluding one or two classes. It’s about having complete control of your LFG class composition. Yesterday i ran a dungeon with 3 Ele’s (me being one of them), 1 war and 1 guard. We ruled and i found it a lot of fun and a learning experience, having never ran with that composition before. I currently love magic casting, i think it looks way cooler than anything else and my warrior is now sits out of favour. So yes, I want have this control over my own LFG.

To be able to click on the icon for class ‘x’ 2 times, class ‘y’ once, class ‘z’ once. And see how our run goes. Rather than it being what it is now. And if im willing to wait for it to fill, then fine. That’s on me and my time.

One of the most interesting things is trying and experiencing new things and compositions. This will open up that option in a better way. To play the content how you want to engage it.

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Posted by: Miku.6297

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Kedarrian to answer your points..

1. It is a valid arguement that people WILL seek to use this tool as many have stated. A large majority of the players would do this do NOT post on the forums. So no we are not indeed the “other” players we are reffering to players that would seek to use a tool like this to exclude players.

2. You currently do have control over your lfg session… if you want said classes join like minded players and request people bring the classes you are looking for, if they don’t you have the vote kick option.

You didn’t really address people joining your group and instantly switching classes.

As I stated I wouldnt be against a prefered class filter. I just don’t think having a filter designed to exclude classes is in the best interest of the community or game.

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Posted by: Harper.4173

Harper.4173

So you want a function to enable even more profession discrimination than is already present in the game. No thanks.

I agree. I’d rather have people that aren’t the right class join just so I can kick them and keep searching. That’s a much better way to go about it.

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Posted by: Harper.4173

Harper.4173

I always wonder about these topics, has said OP every really played all professions, or are they just regurgitating what other have said about dungeon running.
I’ve played all professions in all dungeons and can say they all work, some faster than others, but never would I venture a necessity to imagine discriminating against a profession, if anything this “tool” would let Anet know which class needs further scrutiny.

I agree- unless a player really is running a meta build perfectly, there is little difference between professions and the ease that a dungeon is cleared. From what I’ve experienced in pug dungeons, a fast run comes from a player knowing the mechanics of the dungeon, not if they’re running such-and-such a build on X class.

However, there are a lot of “pseudo-elite” in the community that will not tolerate anything other than what they think is best. Certain classes get bad rep because they fall last in the meta, and suddenly everybody thinks that this class is unplayable in a dungeon.

So in short, it’s not about fact- it’s about community perspective.

As for A-net using it as a “tool”… I think that this tool would bring a lot of data that has questionable validity. The game will never be perfectly balanced. Each class has a corner where it seems to really excel in and some seem to fill multiple niches.

Something that is incredibly important to point out: a tool like this causes most problems for new players. A-net absolutely prize new players and they want to keep attrition rate as low as possible. If a new player rolls a necromancer or ranger and at level 30 they want to do AC, they’ll find it even more difficult to do so. They can’t just go onto their warrior or guardian alt like many veteran players might be able to.

Well – regarding some points you made :

1.The right profession at the right time for that content means a LOT. If I want to do CM and my party is 4/5 – I will always take a thief over a ranger for example.

2.New players are in a different kind of situation : they won’t get kicked by “these elitists” for not being the right class – usually they’ll get kicked for not having the experience required. Or the AP.

3.Certain classes get bad rep because of the people these classes attract. The vast majority of rangers I’ve met in this game in PUGS can’t even control their pets – this is why I have a kick on sight policy for rangers in PUG groups.

Personally I believe a filter is a good idea – why? Because not being able to join a party is in my opinion a better option than joining and being instantly kicked usually after being told a thing or two for not being able to read.

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Posted by: Kedarrian.2905

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Kedarrian to answer your points..

You didn’t really address people joining your group and instantly switching classes.

If someone were to do that, everyone in the party would think lowly on it and they’d be kicked. As is easy to imagine. But i don’t see that people would consider it worthwile attempting as opposed to joining a regular group. Not expect such a switch to be tolerated.

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Posted by: Dante.1763

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3.Certain classes get bad rep because of the people these classes attract. The vast majority of rangers I’ve met in this game in PUGS can’t even control their pets – this is why I have a kick on sight plicy for rangers in PUG groups.

At the moment ranger pets are broken and dont listen to commands given. I was kicked from 5 groups so far over the course of 2 days for simply playing a ranger. Thats not and never will be acceptable. Im sorry you dont like us, but kicking us on sight and not even giving someone the chance, is rude as hell.

if you put in a pug description, “no rangers”, thats different. by all means kick them if they join, because people should be able to read. But if i join a pug group that simply says “P1 Experienced” Or “P1” I expect not to get kicked simply because of the class i play.

That is what is happening. Its old, its rude. It needs to go away. Any class can do anything in this game, some can do it better yes that is true. And if you allowed classes to be limited you would not see necros or rangers allowed in most dungeon groups.

If you want speed runs, fine put up for speed runs and put Warriors only, or whatever. But if such a thing gets added you will find more and more groups not allowing certain classes(Mainly necro and ranger) because..reasons? casual pug groups do not need such a thing. ANET wants all the classes to be able to do all the content equally, at least it has been such in the past, when it comes to PVE. This would go against their vision for their game.

The pvp community reminds me of what Obi-kittenenobi describes Mos Eisley as from star wars.

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Posted by: Kedarrian.2905

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So you want a function to enable even more profession discrimination than is already present in the game. No thanks.

I agree. I’d rather have people that aren’t the right class join just so I can kick them and keep searching. That’s a much better way to go about it.

Whats the ultimate difference, how is it better? You are writing a detailed lfg that people may or may not read and then having to continually kick people. That is more of a hassle. Why would you prefer that experience?

Other players are not benefitting from joining and then being kicked (your method) as opposed to not being able to join in the first place.

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Posted by: Doggie.3184

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You don’t need specific classes for specific content though unless your talking about special tournament pvp setups. :o

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Posted by: Miku.6297

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Whats the ultimate difference, how is it better? You are writing a detailed lfg that people may or may not read and then having to continually kick people. That is more of a hassle. Why would you prefer that experience?

Other players are not benefitting from joining and then being kicked (your method) as opposed to not being able to join in the first place.

The main difference is in the appearance and face of the community/game. Seeing a bunch of listings looking for people that ANYONE can join, vs seeing a bunch of listings that you can only join if you are x class. Which of these two options seems more inclusive; which seems more exclusive.

The fact that other players are not benefiting from joining and being kicked is true. Though if they couldn’t join in the first place they wouldn’t benefit much from that either. Over all it’s an inclusive vs exclusive lfg system arguement; which is why i don’t forsee a filter coming any time soon.

You don’t need specific classes for specific content though unless your talking about special tournament pvp setups. :o

As someone who believes firmly in mesmer supremacy I strongly disagree with this~ (J/k of course)

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Posted by: DonQuack.9025

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need/want
PHIW at its finest

Overall id say keep it. Why?
There wouldnt be anymore I was kicked and its unfair threads.

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Posted by: Harper.4173

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3.Certain classes get bad rep because of the people these classes attract. The vast majority of rangers I’ve met in this game in PUGS can’t even control their pets – this is why I have a kick on sight plicy for rangers in PUG groups.

At the moment ranger pets are broken and dont listen to commands given. I was kicked from 5 groups so far over the course of 2 days for simply playing a ranger. Thats not and never will be acceptable. Im sorry you dont like us, but kicking us on sight and not even giving someone the chance, is rude as hell.

I don’t care about rude.
You said it yourself – ranger pets are broken – so why would I want a party member in my party that isn’t at 100% because he can’t be at 100% because of how his class works.
It’s not even about player skill according to what you say. So sorry if you perceive it as rude – I feel it’s common sense. I wouldn’t expect anyone to give me a chance if my class was broken.

I consider it rude going in a party with people and attempting content knowing your class is broken. Why not switch? Why not level up an alternative?

You see – the “this is rude” discussion is a big one – anything can be considered rude in an MMO.

Let’s not bring rude into it.
Kicking is simple. I initiate a vote – if the other people agree and they vote you out – you’re out.

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Posted by: Harper.4173

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So you want a function to enable even more profession discrimination than is already present in the game. No thanks.

I agree. I’d rather have people that aren’t the right class join just so I can kick them and keep searching. That’s a much better way to go about it.

Whats the ultimate difference, how is it better? You are writing a detailed lfg that people may or may not read and then having to continually kick people. That is more of a hassle. Why would you prefer that experience?

Other players are not benefitting from joining and then being kicked (your method) as opposed to not being able to join in the first place.

That’s exactly the point I was making ( I was being sarcastic).

There’s no point in me having to kick all these people and there’s no gain or pleasant experience for them constantly getting kicked and possibly verbally abused. It would be better for all parties involved if they didn’t have anything to do with each other.

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Posted by: Harper.4173

Harper.4173

Whats the ultimate difference, how is it better? You are writing a detailed lfg that people may or may not read and then having to continually kick people. That is more of a hassle. Why would you prefer that experience?

Other players are not benefitting from joining and then being kicked (your method) as opposed to not being able to join in the first place.

The main difference is in the appearance and face of the community/game. Seeing a bunch of listings looking for people that ANYONE can join, vs seeing a bunch of listings that you can only join if you are x class. Which of these two options seems more inclusive; which seems more exclusive.

The fact that other players are not benefiting from joining and being kicked is true. Though if they couldn’t join in the first place they wouldn’t benefit much from that either. Over all it’s an inclusive vs exclusive lfg system arguement; which is why i don’t forsee a filter coming any time soon.

You don’t need specific classes for specific content though unless your talking about special tournament pvp setups. :o

As someone who believes firmly in mesmer supremacy I strongly disagree with this~ (J/k of course)

Yes but the “anyone” can join thing is only an illusion. Sure you “can” join on the LFG tool only to be told “learn to read noob” and get kicked. Is it a better experience?

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Posted by: Fiddlestyx.9714

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This goes directly against the spirit of GW2. If you want to discriminate players, go play WoW or another MMO. Or better yet, learn to play with everyone.

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Posted by: Dante.1763

Dante.1763

I don’t care about rude.
You said it yourself – ranger pets are broken – so why would I want a party member in my party that isn’t at 100% because he can’t be at 100% because of how his class works.
It’s not even about player skill according to what you say. So sorry if you perceive it as rude – I feel it’s common sense. I wouldn’t expect anyone to give me a chance if my class was broken.

I consider it rude going in a party with people and attempting content knowing your class is broken. Why not switch? Why not level up an alternative?

You see – the “this is rude” discussion is a big one – anything can be considered rude in an MMO.

Let’s not bring rude into it.
Kicking is simple. I initiate a vote – if the other people agree and they vote you out – you’re out.

Because good rangers like myself, know they need to spam “come back to me” when doing dungeon runs. Not that hard, takes a bit of clicking though and a fix cant happen soon enough. The only rangers you really have to worry about are the ones who are almost like bots which i will freely admit, do plague this game. Im just saying, give someone a chance before you judge everyone of that class. If they screw up horribly, kick them! If they are clearly running a bad combo, kick them!

I dont know if you ignored it in my last post , but if i join a group that says “P1” then i have every right to be there, regardless of class. If i join a group that says “P1 Experienced” i have every right to be there regardless of class. NOW if i join a group that says “P1 experienced, No rangers” (Which i wouldnt when playing my ranger) thats my problem for being there in the first place.

As for not switching? i have two mains, a mesmer, and a ranger. I enjoy the ranger more than any other class in the game. I dont want to play my other characters if im not in the mood, and i for sure dont want to be forced to play my other characters to do any content(Which is IMO what this thread is about. By adding this tool you will be forcing players to play certain classes to do PVE dungeons, something easily done by any class in the game.). I have 12 of them too. 8 level 80s(Guardian, 2 mesmers, 2 rangers, Warrior, Ele, Necromancer, Thief). All fully kitted out in ascended, exotics, a legendary what have you. A level 20 Ele, a level 20 Engineer, and a level 2 Guardian.(Which also stops me from leveling an alt. as i cannot make the swaps for the final cutscenes, due to horrible internet.)

There is a problem with that kicking bit though. i know i do it, and im sure others do, they hit that little check mark just to get the bloody thing off their screen. ive kicked people who i didnt think should be kicked just because of that(I hate screen clutter, it drives me mad already, rude of me? yes.) . Really though, allow us to vote yes, or no, as right now we can only vote yes(Horrible design decision imo) but thats for another thread entirely.

TLDR:
The good thing is, i dont have to join your partys, i can make my own and i do so quite often(And they take forever to fill even for the most common paths because im posting as a ranger), but if a tool gets added to block classes, and players see that rangers and necros(as examples as they do get kicked the most already) arent wanted, then they wont want to join groups hosted by those two classes, and slowly people will stop playing them.

The pvp community reminds me of what Obi-kittenenobi describes Mos Eisley as from star wars.

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Posted by: Kelly.7019

Kelly.7019

A. don’t run pugs during peak times because you will encounter lots of problems more often then not.

B. you are a classist

C. Most people in pugs who complain about pugs are bad at pugs themselves.

Seriously, i hardly ever encounter fail pugs, Speed runs (imo are normal runs) are fine without Zerks as long as most peeps are exp’d and you can guesstimate that based of AP, though obviously its not 100% fail proof. =D It’s amazing that there is so much hate for pugs, yet usually the people complaining about it are the ones that can’t play well with others, and give pugs a bad name.

Yo, Ho, all together, raise the colors high,
Yo, Ho, thieves and beggars, never shall we die

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Posted by: Nyx.7342

Nyx.7342

No to this idea…
I would like this for fractals 40-50 so when i ask for a guard i get a guard.

But for the rest of the game this would be bad. Pugs have no idea what a good class is. Ive been kicked or asked to change my class a couple of times already when i play on engie, which is hilariously ironic.

There is only one class that is not especially useful and that is necro. But even then their dps isnt terrible so theyres no reason not to take them. Having a successful run has nothing to do with class or AP. Its just about builds and most importantly player skill, the first one you can check by requesting pings and the second you cant.

also you can just kick people you dont want…its not that hard

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Posted by: Lampshade.7569

Lampshade.7569

Nobody else has the stones to say it? Fine, here you go: My guess is that every second person in here advocating class equality would absolutely love this feature and would use it to avoid rangers and necros. I know I would.

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Posted by: Wiella.8567

Wiella.8567

About the idea – I don’t really mind LFG working either way, both have pros and cons.
Though most probably this suggestion won’t be implemented anyway.

Also you can put your “terms-of-join” into description, if you can call them like that, even with currently working LFG system. And there is a good side of the system that works right now: if someone not meeting those “terms” join and doesn’t live up to group expectations – she or he will certainly get punished by the group unlike the “wanted” classes from the same group which are usually allowed to fail like hell. That makes people who play “unwanted” classes double their effort in most cases (telling by my experience, in both meanings).

So basically what I want to say here – current system encourages players who use those “unwanted” classes in PvE work harder and be more useful and avoid failures at any cost since they will always be punished twice harder than other members. I won’t argue that this isn’t really fair, but this is a good thing generally.

Yes, there are always some exceptions, but as I said before – those “exceptions” will certainly get punished by the group in one or another way, so let’s leave those alone.

So in my opinion if current system goes away – classes which are “weaker” in PvE will be forced to play only with groups which do not care about their setup and thus won’t be encouraged to maximize their performance. This will eventually lead to even more degradation of the named class in general and will make the wall between classes in PvE even higher than it is right now.


This is partially my personal thoughts and I didn’t say anything specific there
So what should actually be done to remove that “wall” between classes in PvE?

First I must say this:
I don’t see any issues (not talking about bugs here) in current classes.
I really like how all of them have their different feel and playstyle.
I do think that they are balanced pretty well and all are fairly playable in PvE.

Unfortunately my own opinion doesn’t really matter if, as an example, half of the community thinks that balance is broken and some classes are “unwelcome” in PvE.

So about the balance again – can’t say that there is a simple way, but “unwanted” classes basically lack utilities (meaning all – traits, weapon skills – not just utility skills) to assist/buff party and to be more useful in different PvE content.

Of course if we are talking about current PvE content and how it “rolls” – we are mostly talking about stacking might/fury, giving some empowering stuff (banners/empowers and such) and debuffing the boss (weakness/vulnerability).

So basically – some class-specific conditions, boons or empowers might be added to “buff” party members (as an example of such class-specific mechanic – look at warrior banners) or more options to defeat encounter might be introduced (like elementalist weapons give additional options in a lot of situations).

This all will of course require a lot of rebalancing work for both PvE and PvP and might hurt class skills diversity, but otherwise nothing will happen, situation won’t change on its own so some decisions must certainly be made for situation to be changed.

That all being said –
Probably a lot of stuff and rebalance work will be done with the expansion coming later, so I’d say everyone who is so eager for some quick changes should chill a bit and see what comes with expansion.


P.S.
- I really do enjoy playing “unwanted” classes (mostly necro) in PvE
- I do mostly play “wanted” class (ele) because I also enjoy it
- I never accept kick requests just because it is “unwanted” class
- I always try to counter-kick anyone requesting the previous type of kick

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Posted by: Pockets.3201

Pockets.3201

I doubt it will happen. Anet tries to be inclusive with most of the stuff they put in. I don’t seem them spending time on adding a feature that would mostly be used to exclude others.

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Posted by: Deedrick.4372

Deedrick.4372

I see some one want it to discriminate with; however, since this already happens The utility of it could be nice. If you could limit class counts so when I make a LFG I don’t get 4 more warriors… how messed up are you? Sure some would set necros and rangers to 0, but it beats having 4 of them pop up because you didn’t specify. Just think how nice it would be to not have to type out the biography in LFG to get your exact team build, then have moronic people who refuse to read and join your group 7 times to get kicked 7 times for not being 80 when that’s pretty much the only thing listed.

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Posted by: Cazamar.7148

Cazamar.7148

Nobody else has the stones to say it? Fine, here you go: My guess is that every second person in here advocating class equality would absolutely love this feature and would use it to avoid rangers and necros. I know I would.

It is sad that you think that way. All classes are viable in dungeons. I run with pugs all the time and rarely have issues. Some classes have better dps and utilities than others but all have something to contribute. It’s people like you that give dungeons a toxic reputation.

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Posted by: Miku.6297

Miku.6297

Nobody else has the stones to say it? Fine, here you go: My guess is that every second person in here advocating class equality would absolutely love this feature and would use it to avoid rangers and necros. I know I would.

Wow, I’m advocating class equality: I would not love this feature, and would not use it to avoid anyone.

So I guess your guess is wrong xD

When ever I run dungeons I run with who ever wants to go, as long as they are at the recommended level for the dungeon. Is it easier with some team compositions?; of course. However player ability/knowledge does play a factor in how easy or fast a run goes.