Guild Wars 2

Take a scroll down gw2lfg and take a look. People are running full Berzerker Warrior groups with the occasional Guardian mixed in. It’s ALL they’re running. It’s getting impossible to find a group as a Thief or even an Elementalist. All people want is faceroll damage and some support.

Look, I’m all for the no-holy-trinity thing in this MMO. It’s awesome. If people want to run a group of 5 whatever’s, let them do it… but when balance becomes so bad that all people want is a certain class or two, I’ve got a huge problem.

Can you imagine if, in “that other MMO,” Mages, Priests, Druids, and etc. all became obsolete? I can tell you about how long “that other company” would take to fix that. I don’t say that to rag on the folks at Anet, but to emphasize that this is a game-breaking balance issue. When I say game-breaking, I mean “if this continues then many experienced MMO-players will flee from this game.”

This is my favorite MMO of all time so far, so don’t think I’m just whining. I can tolerate a certain amount of class imbalance because, philosophically difference = imbalance. But it doesn’t have to be broken imbalance.

What do you guys think about this?

Just looked and there’s only a couple listings for zerker warriors. O.o

At the moment:
Arah exp: lfg, lfg, lfg, need mesmer, lfg
Fractals 30+: lfg, lfg, lfg, need guardian, lfg, lfg, lfg, lfg, need guardian, lfg, lfg, lfg, lfg, lfg, lfg

So nerf Guardians and Mesmers.

Or…Or…. change the content to make it so 4 warriors and 1 mesmer don’t just blow everything up, and can’t be don’t in 5 mins

I can’t wait for the warrior nerf. It’s going to be entertaining as hell.

Doesn’t matter what we say really.

No other class will be made to exceed Warrior’s damage output because that’s the way ANet wants it.
Who are we to question them?

Make a group and say “any profession welcome”. All the people that couldn’t join those groups will join yours.

I do it all the time.

It’s typically only CoF p1 that wants all the zerk warriors. I use gw2lfg.com every day and never have an issue finding a group.

This is the trade off we paid for not having a holy trinity. BC we have no trinity, PvE was dumbed down for any class, thus meaning the zerkers can easily faceroll all PvE content.

Just looked and there is a lot of players who look for other professions as well, yes i know they are not as good but still you can find a party as w/e.

And this is why I come to the forums to protest. Someone comes in, posts a provocative thread title, with a few extra exclamation marks thrown in, only to have other people check it and find it’s not quite actually true.

People need to get some perspective. The sky really isn’t falling.

Minion of Vey.4398:

Make a group and say “any profession welcome”. All the people that couldn’t join those groups will join yours.

I do it all the time.

I add “no gear checks, play the build you like, and let’s go!” :P For really, though coordinating team is quite beneficial, extreme min/maxing of every little stat and 100% perfect strategy is not needed, much less should be required as some sort of GW2 badge of honor/expertise to join groups.

Also, as you said it’s super easy to find friendly/positive/good players when you open up your requirements, as many people that are looking for groups are not of this pseudo “leet” kind.

why would you want to join such group ?
i never had problems to join fractals with my thief. My lvl is 22 , i stoped at 20 but i did one 38 and 1 42, just to check out how it is.
I got over 600 fractals ,most of them lvl 10 and 20 for daily’s but only 2 times i had party members that , were not confortable with 3 thieves in party. After we done swap fractal in 4-5 minutes and “volcano” in under 15 minutes, 1 warrior that got downed 3 times at volcano boss, apologised for his comments regarding thieves.

Pawstruck.9708:

Take a scroll down gw2lfg and take a look. People are running full Berzerker Warrior groups with the occasional Guardian mixed in. It’s ALL they’re running. It’s getting impossible to find a group as a Thief or even an Elementalist. All people want is faceroll damage and some support.

Look, I’m all for the no-holy-trinity thing in this MMO. It’s awesome. If people want to run a group of 5 whatever’s, let them do it… but when balance becomes so bad that all people want is a certain class or two, I’ve got a huge problem.

Can you imagine if, in “that other MMO,” Mages, Priests, Druids, and etc. all became obsolete? I can tell you about how long “that other company” would take to fix that. I don’t say that to rag on the folks at Anet, but to emphasize that this is a game-breaking balance issue. When I say game-breaking, I mean “if this continues then many experienced MMO-players will flee from this game.”

This is my favorite MMO of all time so far, so don’t think I’m just whining. I can tolerate a certain amount of class imbalance because, philosophically difference = imbalance. But it doesn’t have to be broken imbalance.

What do you guys think about this?

You need to slow your kitten roll there bub..

The reason ad’s for groups like that exist, is because of some stupid meta that everyone falls into line with..I’m a warrior, and i’ve run groups that are JUST as fast if not faster than some of the 1mes4war groups.

Although I do love some of the “wahhhh nerf warriors” talk..thats ALWAYS the solution right guys? Whack-a-mole nerfs! Next it’ll be “WAHHH guardians are too unkillable! make them less tanky!”

I did forget about Mesmers… god forbid, lol.

The point I was making is still valid, though. These same classes have been a problem from launch. The only reason people hate Thieves is because of PVP, which tbh is a balance joke in this game anyway. :/

This is NOT the trade-off we get for not having a holy trinity. Class balance is incredibly off. If your argument is “class balance can be terrible because no holy trinity,” then I have no choice but to roll my eyes and move on.

The problem is that they are balancing three different things at the same time. PvE, PvP, and WvW.

Warriors do really well against enemies that stand there and take the full 100 blades hit without moving / dodging etc. (that is any of the current PvE enemies)

In WvW and PvP that never happens. People use stun breaks, dodges, etc. And the warrior never hits. If you look at that community, warriors are actually pretty weak.

I think the problem is that the enemy AI in PvE is sooo bad, that facerolling is a viable strategy.

Edit: its not only viable, it’s optimal.

I make groups for CoF all the time that specifically say NO zerker warriors! Why? Because a party of ele’s, guardian, necro, mesmer, ranger, can do CoF just fine without them. Maybe not the fastest speed run but 10mins is fine by me.

Another reason why, most other classes don’t whine and cry as much as zerker warriors do. You know the type, they die first on slaver and then sit there and tell you what YOUR doing wrong as their dead. I’ve been told, “You guys aren’t using heals.” before from a dead zerker warrior. As a ele, and 2 mesmers are only 3 alive.

I kind of laugh when a warrior shows up in that last spot in the party to see 2 ele’s, mesmer, guardian, and then leave.

Edit : In short, start your own parties and pwn CoF!

Personally, I always avoid any group that asks for a particular class or a particular build. Even when I was running a full zerker mesmer and could easily do speed runs.

Those guys are way to uptight.

Vayne.8563:

And this is why I come to the forums to protest. Someone comes in, posts a provocative thread title, with a few extra exclamation marks thrown in, only to have other people check it and find it’s not quite actually true.

People need to get some perspective. The sky really isn’t falling.

I know the sky isn’t falling, but this ad below is rather annoying, and speaks more about the player than his supposed “leet” ability to play GW2:

“LFM Zerk Warrs {{—- Ping Your Gear When YOu enter —-}} p1 Farm, doing several runs, out/in/out/in NO CASUALS!! FULL EXOTIC )--kicking BADDIES”

-What is a Zerk Warr? O.o

-Since when are casuals bad at CoF 1? O.o CoF 1 isn’t any badge of hardcore-ness! Many bad players farm CoF 1! (Probably the poster of that ad included… he/she would probably blame anyone else for a few seconds “lost.”)

-Since when playing with freedom = BADDIES? O.o

The above LFG post seems to be posted by an entitled player with a very immature mentality regardless age. Even a serious elitist can just post: LF more Berserker’s Warriors, experienced only, for an extended farm run, will check gear upon joining." No need for pejoratives, or biased, childish stuff.

Yes, I agree that-and from my experience-even the majority isn’t like that person above, though I do feel bad for those who obligue the pseudo-“leet”, leveling up a character from 1-80 JUST to farm CoF 1. Really, just form your own groups, and stop making that party build the norm, rather than the exception (ATM, it has become the norm, at least in appearance.)

It is also the reason the Legendary weapon “status” value is greatly diminished in my eyes. I never think of any Legendary wielder as a “great” player-he/she could be great, have worked hard for it, and be experienced of course, but also just a prolific farmer, someone rich, and/or got lucky at some point. I never begrudge any player for wielding their Legendaries (I may have my own in due time), but I certainly do not consider it any sort of amazing feat at this point. A player proves himself/herself to me by how he/she really plays, and his/her good attitude towards others (I prefer the latter, even), not by how many Legendaries he/she can dual-wield.

It seems clear that groups can run content fast without zerker warriors. It seems clear that is isn’t as fast as with zerker warriors. It seems clear that some players do exclude other classes to get warriors, gaurdians, and mesmers in their groups. It’s clear that it ultimately isn’t good for the game.

Star Ace.5207:

Vayne.8563:

And this is why I come to the forums to protest. Someone comes in, posts a provocative thread title, with a few extra exclamation marks thrown in, only to have other people check it and find it’s not quite actually true.

People need to get some perspective. The sky really isn’t falling.

I know the sky isn’t falling, but this ad below is rather annoying, and speaks more about the player than his supposed “leet” ability to play GW2:

“LFM Zerk Warrs {{—- Ping Your Gear When YOu enter —-}} p1 Farm, doing several runs, out/in/out/in NO CASUALS!! FULL EXOTIC )--kicking BADDIES”

-What is a Zerk Warr? O.o

-Since when are casuals bad at CoF 1? O.o CoF 1 isn’t any badge of hardcore-ness! Many bad players farm CoF 1! (Probably the poster of that ad included… he/she would probably blame anyone else for a few seconds “lost.”)

-Since when playing with freedom = BADDIES? O.o

The above LFG post seems to be posted by an entitled player with a very immature mentality regardless age. Even a serious elitist can just post: LF more Berserker’s Warriors, experienced only, for an extended farm run, will check gear upon joining." No need for pejoratives, or biased, childish stuff.

Yes, I agree that-and from my experience-even the majority isn’t like that person above, though I do feel bad for those who obligue the pseudo-“leet”, leveling up a character from 1-80 JUST to farm CoF 1. Really, just form your own groups, and stop making that party build the norm, rather than the exception (ATM, it has become the norm, at least in appearance.)

It is also the reason the Legendary weapon “status” value is greatly diminished in my eyes. I never think of any Legendary wielder as a “great” player-he/she could be great, have worked hard for it, and be experienced of course, but also just a prolific farmer, someone rich, and/or got lucky at some point. I never begrudge any player for wielding their Legendaries (I may have my own in due time), but I certainly do not consider it any sort of amazing feat at this point. A player proves himself/herself to me by how he/she really plays, and his/her good attitude towards others (I prefer the latter, even), not by how many Legendaries he/she can dual-wield.

Every MMO, every single one of them, has players like this. It’s a side-show, not a big deal unless people choose to focus on it.

So many people from different threads have said they play other professions and have no trouble finding groups. So a few guys that are elitists or speed-runners, or whatever the hell they want to call themselves post something to a sight, you shrug and play the game.

The problem I see here is one of focus. A small percentage of elitists are making headlines and people are stressing about them. I’m trying to calm people down, because it really isn’t a big deal. It’s not as bad as Guild Wars 1 was when you walked into the Temple of Ages. It’s fine.

Every MMORPG in existence suffers from elitists. Just be glad there’s no gear score in this game. lol

Some of the posters here have given me new faith in the human species, thank you for that. After reading the plethora of posts similar to the topic heading on the lfg site it is a breath of fresh air to see some players still play the game for more than just the shinies.

People think that zerker warrior is the best choice to run dungeons but NO! since it became so demanded profession every second noob made the warrior. I play as mesmer if i run CoF and i have had 4 warriors in my party that were so lame we couldn’t kill the last mob. Profession diversity is always the best choice for long run dungeons as you have various types of skills to support each other.

Star Ace.5207:

I know the sky isn’t falling, but this ad below is rather annoying, and speaks more about the player than his supposed “leet” ability to play GW2:

“LFM Zerk Warrs {{—- Ping Your Gear When YOu enter —-}} p1 Farm, doing several runs, out/in/out/in NO CASUALS!! FULL EXOTIC )--kicking BADDIES”

This is actual a very informative and useful ad. Translated, it reads:

“I’m a bad player who will blame everyone else for my mistakes and kick them from the group. Do not under any circumstances join my party.”

Vayne.8563:

Star Ace.5207:

Vayne.8563:

And this is why I come to the forums to protest. Someone comes in, posts a provocative thread title, with a few extra exclamation marks thrown in, only to have other people check it and find it’s not quite actually true.

People need to get some perspective. The sky really isn’t falling.

I know the sky isn’t falling, but this ad below is rather annoying, and speaks more about the player than his supposed “leet” ability to play GW2:

“LFM Zerk Warrs {{—- Ping Your Gear When YOu enter —-}} p1 Farm, doing several runs, out/in/out/in NO CASUALS!! FULL EXOTIC )--kicking BADDIES”

-What is a Zerk Warr? O.o

-Since when are casuals bad at CoF 1? O.o CoF 1 isn’t any badge of hardcore-ness! Many bad players farm CoF 1! (Probably the poster of that ad included… he/she would probably blame anyone else for a few seconds “lost.”)

-Since when playing with freedom = BADDIES? O.o

The above LFG post seems to be posted by an entitled player with a very immature mentality regardless age. Even a serious elitist can just post: LF more Berserker’s Warriors, experienced only, for an extended farm run, will check gear upon joining." No need for pejoratives, or biased, childish stuff.

Yes, I agree that-and from my experience-even the majority isn’t like that person above, though I do feel bad for those who obligue the pseudo-“leet”, leveling up a character from 1-80 JUST to farm CoF 1. Really, just form your own groups, and stop making that party build the norm, rather than the exception (ATM, it has become the norm, at least in appearance.)

It is also the reason the Legendary weapon “status” value is greatly diminished in my eyes. I never think of any Legendary wielder as a “great” player-he/she could be great, have worked hard for it, and be experienced of course, but also just a prolific farmer, someone rich, and/or got lucky at some point. I never begrudge any player for wielding their Legendaries (I may have my own in due time), but I certainly do not consider it any sort of amazing feat at this point. A player proves himself/herself to me by how he/she really plays, and his/her good attitude towards others (I prefer the latter, even), not by how many Legendaries he/she can dual-wield.

Every MMO, every single one of them, has players like this. It’s a side-show, not a big deal unless people choose to focus on it.

So many people from different threads have said they play other professions and have no trouble finding groups. So a few guys that are elitists or speed-runners, or whatever the hell they want to call themselves post something to a sight, you shrug and play the game.

The problem I see here is one of focus. A small percentage of elitists are making headlines and people are stressing about them. I’m trying to calm people down, because it really isn’t a big deal. It’s not as bad as Guild Wars 1 was when you walked into the Temple of Ages. It’s fine.

Every MMORPG in existence suffers from elitists. Just be glad there’s no gear score in this game. lol

TBH, that’s one thing I do not miss at all from GW1: the strict party requirements to join specific content groups. I felt alienated many, many times, even with my Guild during the Ursan days, because I didn’t want to go Ursan (found it cheaty/boring/exploit-ish) on the HM maps. The HM “dungeons” also required mostly strict criteria, and some were accused of being “noobs” ( a pejorative that I hate and never use) for deviating from the build “meta” norm. I felt people were restricted by specific/ required builds that were needed for high level content, and with a game with so many viable builds, I did feel it was “wrong” of people to force me to play “their” way. That’s why I am always defending freedom of choice on GW2, because at least in here every Profession and many builds can have their place when played right, and it’s up to the player, not just his/her gear/build.

And yes, gearscore has no place in GW2.

tolunart.2095:

Star Ace.5207:

I know the sky isn’t falling, but this ad below is rather annoying, and speaks more about the player than his supposed “leet” ability to play GW2:

“LFM Zerk Warrs {{—- Ping Your Gear When YOu enter —-}} p1 Farm, doing several runs, out/in/out/in NO CASUALS!! FULL EXOTIC )--kicking BADDIES”

This is actual a very informative and useful ad. Translated, it reads:

“I’m a bad player who will blame everyone else for my mistakes and kick them from the group. Do not under any circumstances join my party.”

This made me LOL for real.

Play Fractals if you don’t want zerk only groups.

Vayne.8563:

Every MMORPG in existence suffers from elitists. Just be glad there’s no gear score in this game. lol

Outside of MMO hardcore gamers, nobody cares about this stuff. Go to your next high school reunion (I know, some of you will have to graduate first). Join a group of people talking about their kids, careers, Master’s degrees, etc. Tell them about all of your Server Firsts and show snapshots of your gear. Count the blank stares you receive.

The biggest thing that will address this issue is if Anet puts an in game LFG system. The elitist speed runners can still use third party sites to find each other but the average person will just use in game LFG and get paired with random people.

Vayne.8563:

tolunart.2095:

Star Ace.5207:

I know the sky isn’t falling, but this ad below is rather annoying, and speaks more about the player than his supposed “leet” ability to play GW2:

“LFM Zerk Warrs {{—- Ping Your Gear When YOu enter —-}} p1 Farm, doing several runs, out/in/out/in NO CASUALS!! FULL EXOTIC )--kicking BADDIES”

This is actual a very informative and useful ad. Translated, it reads:

“I’m a bad player who will blame everyone else for my mistakes and kick them from the group. Do not under any circumstances join my party.”

This made me LOL for real.

:)

Strictly a casual player, I play whatever class I feel like, don’t follow the “must do this” paths through the skill trees, and when I’m not having fun any more it’s time to stop.

Eventually these uberleet players will wake up and realize that they are entirely too focused on things that have absolutely no value, not even as entertainment, because they sacrificed fun for another +5 Power upgrade and refused to associate with anyone who didn’t do things exactly the way they do them.

purpleskies.3274:

The biggest thing that will address this issue is if Anet puts an in game LFG system. The elitist speed runners can still use third party sites to find each other but the average person will just use in game LFG and get paired with random people.

Anet is working on one. Don’t know when it will be ready, but an LFG feature is definitely in the works.

in dungeons, any skilled ranger survives longer than a warrior and can deliver almost as much damage.
as a warrior, it’s just easier, especially with a guardian around.
they aren’t OP or anything…in every RPG, a warrior is the easiest to pick-up, straight forward with bulky armor while recklessly hulk-smash everything – so much fun.

but that’s not the problem.
it’s the bad dungeon design…remove any possibility of rush through everything by implenting a barrier behind every group of trashmobs until they are killed.
would it be that hard?

it’s not that i can’t find a group as a ranger, (i mean i can deliver continuous fury and stack 6 might every 25 sec.) but finding a group for some dungeons, where a speedrun is not possible/profitable or finding a group without intending to skip content had become almost impossible.
i don’t want to speedrun…it’s neither fun or challenging, it’s just boring work for fast money…not exactly what i expect from a game.

sure, there will be QQ’ers, once they’d nerf some dungeons to oblivion, because legendarys will be alot harder to get, but they are never supposed to get fast in the first place – they’re the ultimate goal in GW2.

i never did CoF, tho i’m playing since release, because i couldn’t find a clear-run group yet.

@all “elitists”: GW2 is not a random f2p tab-cycle-k-grinder, you know.
instanced dungeons on here wouldn’t take 3 days to fully complete like in “those” games.

yes, i’m kinda mad about some player’s mentality.
speedruns in GW2 are exploiting game design flaws and i can’t understand why this isn’t fixed yet. and please do not post stuff like “i can play the game however i want”.
that’s nonsense…would you just put hotels all over the board when playing monopoly if you don’t own that street/s? or would you play texas hold ’em and draw until you get your desired hand? try justify that with “i play however i want”…
a good game comes with rules.

sorry for my little rant. :P

Vayne.8563:

I can’t wait for the warrior nerf. It’s going to be entertaining as hell.

Warriors, of course, do not need a nerf. They are an example of a relatively successful class design. It’s rarely a good idea to fight success.

Actually, all you are seeing here is the cultural effects of an emerging trinity at the high-end of dungeon-running. For those who are ‘serious’ about their dungeon-running, they’ve noticed that it’s most efficient to:

1) have an anchor Guardian to run in, grab aggro, and position the mob for the…
2) 3 zerker warriors to burn down while a …
3) Mesmer provides portals, time warp, and off-dps.

Because the guardian can’t really tank, he’s just managing aggro through his toughness and presence, you need the highest direct burst damage profession to kill the mob quickly. That would be a zerker warrior. Has nothing to do with necessarily being OP, simply on the burst end of direct damage. (Necros need not apply.)

Because of the game design, damage design, and absence of meaningful supported combat roles, you have seen one successful trinity emerge. There is absolutely no problem with warriors (or guardians and mesmers for that matter) because of this and no need to nerf the profession. It’s just humans working with what they have to work with, creating roles to make what they are doing work.

Rather than nerf warriors, my plea to Anet is to take a step back and a step up and ask why this is happening. There is a fix needed here; a warrior nerf isn’t it. And, the problem with these threads is that Anet is as likely as not to provide ‘the players’ with a knee-jerk response to this. It’s the same as the outcry from inexperienced pvper’s in WvW, I mean, you got to nerf the Thief, they are Wayyy OP. Anet responds and extends reveal to 4s. This of course provides no fix for inexperienced players in WvW as thieves switch to D/P and still kill them. It did destroy a beautiful flowing playstyle for my S/D thief. Please don’t destroy my warrior next. I mean, when you take all the success out of all the profession design, what will be left?

I only really see this for CoF p1 because its short, easy and people farm it repeatedly so the only thing that matters is dps. Even then its not hard to get a group not running the standard War and Mes group. The other dungeons don’t seem to have this issue.

Raine.1394:

Vayne.8563:

I can’t wait for the warrior nerf. It’s going to be entertaining as hell.

Warriors, of course, do not need a nerf. They are an example of a relatively successful class design. It’s rarely a good idea to fight success.

Actually, all you are seeing here is the cultural effects of an emerging trinity at the high-end of dungeon-running. For those who are ‘serious’ about their dungeon-running, they’ve noticed that it’s most efficient to:

1) have an anchor Guardian to run in, grab aggro, and position the mob for the…
2) 3 zerker warriors to burn down while a …
3) Mesmer provides portals, time warp, and off-dps.

Because the guardian can’t really tank, he’s just managing aggro through his toughness and presence, you need the highest DPS profession to kill the mob quickly. That would be a zerker warrior. Has nothing to do with necessarily being OP, simply on the burst end of direct damage. (Necros need not apply.)

Because of the game design, damage design, and absence of supported combat roles, you have seen one successful trinity emerge. There is absolutely no problem with warriors because of this and no need to nerf the profession. It’s just humans working with what they have to work with, creating roles to make what they are doing work.

Rather than nerf warriors, my plea to Anet is to take a step back and a step up and ask why this is happening. There is a fix needed here; a warrior nerf isn’t it.

I don’t know what the solution is either, but PVe is already relatively easy. If they buff the other professions up to where warriors are, it’s going to be a joke.

please stop already. whining because other class is better than yours in one path of one dungeon is ridiculous. calling for a nerf is stupid.

fix is not nerfing, but making content that actually rewards other styles of play except dps. focus on this instead of being jealous.

do you wanna feel useful or want others to also feel useless?

Vayne.8563:

Raine.1394:

Vayne.8563:

I can’t wait for the warrior nerf. It’s going to be entertaining as hell.

Warriors, of course, do not need a nerf. They are an example of a relatively successful class design. It’s rarely a good idea to fight success.

Actually, all you are seeing here is the cultural effects of an emerging trinity at the high-end of dungeon-running. For those who are ‘serious’ about their dungeon-running, they’ve noticed that it’s most efficient to:

1) have an anchor Guardian to run in, grab aggro, and position the mob for the…
2) 3 zerker warriors to burn down while a …
3) Mesmer provides portals, time warp, and off-dps.

Because the guardian can’t really tank, he’s just managing aggro through his toughness and presence, you need the highest DPS profession to kill the mob quickly. That would be a zerker warrior. Has nothing to do with necessarily being OP, simply on the burst end of direct damage. (Necros need not apply.)

Because of the game design, damage design, and absence of supported combat roles, you have seen one successful trinity emerge. There is absolutely no problem with warriors because of this and no need to nerf the profession. It’s just humans working with what they have to work with, creating roles to make what they are doing work.

Rather than nerf warriors, my plea to Anet is to take a step back and a step up and ask why this is happening. There is a fix needed here; a warrior nerf isn’t it.

I don’t know what the solution is either, but PVe is already relatively easy. If they buff the other professions up to where warriors are, it’s going to be a joke.

I didn’t make a call for a general buff to classes other than warrior; I simply noted that the presenting problem had nothing to do with the warrior being OP. They are simply good at what they do and what they do is in high demand. Being good at what you do is not a problem with a profession, though the high demand may indicate a problem with other aspects of the game.

I do believe that the high road around class balance involves extending success (and satisfying counter-play) rather than nerfing it, but that’s another thread. It makes a game fun and rewarding for all classes.

Vayne.8563:

I can’t wait for the warrior nerf. It’s going to be entertaining as hell.

Why should Warriors be nerfed? The feel of the mechanics was nailed perfectly with them. its the other professions that should be brought up to par.

Make your own group….. is it that hard?

Stop worrying about how others are playing the game and play yourself…..

PetricaKerempuh.7958:

please stop already. whining because other class is better than yours in one path of one dungeon is ridiculous. calling for a nerf is stupid.

fix is not nerfing, but making content that actually rewards other styles of play except dps. focus on this instead of being jealous.

do you wanna feel useful or want others to also feel useless?

Well said.

This thread is nothing more then the daily over reaction because someone wanted a certain class that the OP wasn’t playing. I have 4 80’s, none of them are Zerker Warriors and I have never ever had any problem finding a group for any dungeon. Just another over reaction thread, if you check the LFG site you’ll see just how full of it the OP is. There are some posts wanting 1 class, but they’re the vast minority.

Darth Llama.9217:

PetricaKerempuh.7958:

please stop already. whining because other class is better than yours in one path of one dungeon is ridiculous. calling for a nerf is stupid.

fix is not nerfing, but making content that actually rewards other styles of play except dps. focus on this instead of being jealous.

do you wanna feel useful or want others to also feel useless?

Well said.

This thread is nothing more then the daily over reaction because someone wanted a certain class that the OP wasn’t playing. I have 4 80’s, none of them are Zerker Warriors and I have never ever had any problem finding a group for any dungeon. Just another over reaction thread, if you check the LFG site you’ll see just how full of it the OP is. There are some posts wanting 1 class, but they’re the vast minority.

I don’t get where these people are coming from. You can find plenty of varied groups to do any dungeon you want. So it happens – when you have a busier time, when most people do CoF runs, no big deal.

More to the point, OP’s post is extremely subjective and one-sided.

These ads (and the one example I could find in this thread was not a shining example…) are a short version of – " I want it done quickly, by people who know what they’re doing, I want to maximize my reward and minimize the time investment" <- this right here, is smart and logical.

And I don’t think it’s right to say that whomever said this is an kitten.
This person posted an ad, stating what he wants – if you don’t fit the description – jog on.
If you do – join. But don’t become all sanctimonious about how they’re excluding people.
It’s their freedom to choose who they run with and you have no right judging them for it.

To date nobody told me what is so offensive about OPs in LFG telling you what they expect from the offset?

So… don’t farm cof?

I mean really, you want to jump on the cof farmtrain and don’t want to work for it.

Outside of cof p1 no one really pays any attention to classes, only that you need like 1 guard in fractals.

Isslair.4908:

So… don’t farm cof?

I mean really, you want to jump on the cof farmtrain and don’t want to work for it.

Outside of cof p1 no one really pays any attention to classes, only that you need like 1 guard in fractals.

You are jumping to extremes. Where did I say not to farm CoF? Post in LFG, saying you want to run P1, no speed run, looking for varied group. You will get the joins, believe me.

Doing CoF IS working for it. It’s just way more efficient.
Think about it for a second. If I told you to to sum up 6 months worth of expenses, will you do it on a sheet of paper using a pencil and no calculator, or will you open up excel and do it in a fraction of the time? Right tools for the right jobs, that’s all this is, and I’m truly sorry only a minority can see this.

You can do CoF in any way you please, as long as you make it clear to the group you want to run with. You can do extended farming, killing every living thing in there, or doing a speed run. It’s your choice, but I don’t believe you have the right to judge speed runners because of the way they like to play the game.

Most of these groups wipe over and over as the nub Warriors Don’t dodge or know when to and when not to 100B, also none of them know the proper way to realy clear COF1 fast, none of them have Axes.

There are plenty of other groups to join, ignore the WoW nerds if you realy want a “fast” run.

I laugh and leave if I’m asked to ping my gear.

Pawstruck.9708:

Take a scroll down gw2lfg and take a look. People are running full Berzerker Warrior groups with the occasional Guardian mixed in. It’s ALL they’re running. It’s getting impossible to find a group as a Thief or even an Elementalist. All people want is faceroll damage and some support.

Look, I’m all for the no-holy-trinity thing in this MMO. It’s awesome. If people want to run a group of 5 whatever’s, let them do it… but when balance becomes so bad that all people want is a certain class or two, I’ve got a huge problem.

Can you imagine if, in “that other MMO,” Mages, Priests, Druids, and etc. all became obsolete? I can tell you about how long “that other company” would take to fix that. I don’t say that to rag on the folks at Anet, but to emphasize that this is a game-breaking balance issue. When I say game-breaking, I mean “if this continues then many experienced MMO-players will flee from this game.”

This is my favorite MMO of all time so far, so don’t think I’m just whining. I can tolerate a certain amount of class imbalance because, philosophically difference = imbalance. But it doesn’t have to be broken imbalance.

What do you guys think about this?

This has nothing to do with game balance and more to do with 2 things:

1) There is a small… VERY SMALL…. group of players who are fantatically obsessed with playing an FoTM profession/build (designed for one narrow instance of play) in order to farm cash in a very specific way to obtain a piece of gear which they believe will confer a particular status.

2) CoF 1 itself needs to be adjusted to bring it into line with the rest of the dungeons.

This is not mainly about profession balance.

This is about a small portion of the community who have brought their self-entitled, self-focused values from other MMO’s and are trying to replicate that culture within a game which does not necessarily support it outside that one very narrow use (speedrun – CoF path 1).

see:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Talk-about-elitism/page/3#post1809862

Warriors got nerfed hard with each patch.When someone says now WARRIOR OP OMG..i do this /facedesk

:))))))

I’ve been doing dungeons with my Elementalist and Thief just fine…

RageQuit

I was referring to OP.

Personally, I’m ok with cof berz warriors, cause like you said it’s the best tool for the job atm.

I just don’t understand people who want to exploit current cof situation without actually making a warrior\mesmer and buying best gear for it.

Vayne.8563:

I can’t wait for the warrior nerf. It’s going to be entertaining as hell.

You know thats never gonna happen.

Ppl asked for dungeons to be easy so they made them easier and it makes DPS the main thing to speed though dungeons. Its all truly the forum community fault at the end of the day. Now we are going to have an overreaction to some ppl blocking out others to run with them and we will see dungeons become a great deal harder or a major War nerf when it comes to crit dmg or an across the board for crit dmg for all classes. Enjoy the messes you guys put yourself into.

I hope people would stop talking about CoF p1 farm like it was the whole game. It’s the only dungeon people strictly wants full zerker warriors because it’s way too easy.