Guild Wars 2

No Walking.6349:

Content coming out this often is a GOOD thing, anyone who says differently is flat out wrong.

quality > quantity

Turtle Dragon.9241:

Lunaria BEFORE
+43 Power
+43 Precision
+43 Toughness
+43 Vitality
+43 Condition Damage
+6% Critical Damage
+43 Healing Power
+4% Magic Find

You were running with those stats

Lunaria AFTER
+43 Power
+43 Precision
+43 Toughness
+43 Vitality
+43 Condition Damage
+6% Critical Damage
+43 Healing Power

+20% Magic Find(from Essence of Luck given for free).

So you lost 4% Magic Find from 1 item, and you were given 20% Magic Find for your whole ACCOUNT as REPLACEMENT. If you say the stats on the item are bad now, just note that they are exactly the same as the stats you were running with before.

I have Celestial Sigil, Ancient Mursaat Token, Triforge Pendant, Lunaria and Solaria. That’s 4% Magic Find removed from each, I was given 20% Account-Wide Magic Find. I break even(Math: 5 × 4% = 20%), you on the other hand, got extra free Magic Find because you only have two Celestial Accessories.

Stop contradicting yourself, Math 101 this way.

Everyone was given that 20%, it was not a replacement for the loss of MF, it was a gift to everyone, even those who never had MF at all. He did indeed lose something (the MF and the reason for having bought those specific trinkets).
Or the matter could be seen as a replacement for him (and all the other MF users) and as a gift to everyone else (and even in this case he did lose the gift given to everyone else).

SteepledHat.1345:

I don’t see why they couldn’t just let the guys with celestial stats pick if they want to swap stats or stay with the celestial stats minus the magic find. Seems like an easy fix.

Completely aggree.

Took me forever to figure out what you were even talking about from the first post! The title of your thread is misleading as well by the way… I got both of those rings before laurels even existed.

Anyway they’re not “basically worthless” just because they no longer provide a few percentage points of Magic Find. In terms of stats that actually affect your capabilities they are worth exactly the same as before. Hey, I wish that each stat got an an extra point or something out of the equation too, but c’est la vie. It’s boggling it could affect your enjoyment this much!

To the OP’er;

If a game does not create new content, it becomes the game becomes stale. What was great a year ago, in almost any thriving MMO, is typically not always the best today. People who wanted the best a year ago pay a price premium to get it first (or even later as time goes on.) When new stuff comes out, I don’t feel it is intended to be a slap in the face of the player, its meant to be exciting and new. Suck it up and get ready for new stuff.

You wouldn’t cuss out a hardware provider for providing new hardware, no matter how much you paid for the old stuff. Give that same courtesy to software/game developers.

Niblit.7452:

Turtle Dragon.9241:

Lunaria BEFORE
+43 Power
+43 Precision
+43 Toughness
+43 Vitality
+43 Condition Damage
+6% Critical Damage
+43 Healing Power
+4% Magic Find

You were running with those stats

Lunaria AFTER
+43 Power
+43 Precision
+43 Toughness
+43 Vitality
+43 Condition Damage
+6% Critical Damage
+43 Healing Power

+20% Magic Find(from Essence of Luck given for free).

So you lost 4% Magic Find from 1 item, and you were given 20% Magic Find for your whole ACCOUNT as REPLACEMENT. If you say the stats on the item are bad now, just note that they are exactly the same as the stats you were running with before.

I have Celestial Sigil, Ancient Mursaat Token, Triforge Pendant, Lunaria and Solaria. That’s 4% Magic Find removed from each, I was given 20% Account-Wide Magic Find. I break even(Math: 5 × 4% = 20%), you on the other hand, got extra free Magic Find because you only have two Celestial Accessories.

Stop contradicting yourself, Math 101 this way.

Everyone was given that 20%, it was not a replacement for the loss of MF, it was a gift to everyone, even those who never had MF at all. He did indeed lose something (the MF and the reason for having bought those specific trinkets).
Or the matter could be seen as a replacement for him (and all the other MF users) and as a gift to everyone else (and even in this case he did lose the gift given to everyone else).

Not a GIFT. This is COMPENSATION.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Essence_of_Luck_
Given to accounts created before the Super Adventure Box: Back to School release to compensate for loss of Magic Find gear.

How does what “everyone” else recieve actually have anything to do with it?

So your concept is, if someone owes me 5 cookies, and comes to the party with a huge truck of cookies and gives 5 cookies to everyone including me, he has not repaid his debt towards me at all?

If that’s what you are implying, then that is extremely selfish. I consider that he repaid me the cookies and out of pure kindness, he shared 5 cookies to everyone else in the party.

Now, if he owed me 5 cookies but gave cookies to everyone except for me, then I would have reason to be angry.

Reading through most of the posts I have come to the conclusion that people wanting MF on their gear or massive compensation are being greedy and self-centered. I say this with respects to what MF is all about. For starters:

From a stat perspective the change is larger than the jump from exotics to ascended. If its “very small” I assume you wouldn’t mind if your crafted ascended weapon got randomly deleted then.

Basically shows a self-centered attitude about the effect of MF.

Blaine Tog.8304:

MF is one of the few ways you compete against other people in a PvE environment. If everyone has the same MF, then we really all might as well not have any MF as far as the economy’s concerned. The number of drops goes up but then so does the price and we end up in the same place just with bigger numbers.

However, I can earn myself an advantage by getting higher MF than everyone else. Now, my income of loot is (statistically speaking) outstripping inflation. That’s the point of getting MF gear: giving yourself an economical leg up. That doesn’t happen if everyone has the same MF.

Yes, how dare we feel entitled to the stat total we paid for. How dare we feel shorted when our order comes back but with an item that we paid for missing.

This one shows how self-centered you have to be in the first place. MF was removed do in fact how it was anti-team based stat that provided a bonus to the “lazy” people of the game. Basically,you did less work but get a larger potential for a better reward. Anet removed MF from armor as it unfair and detrimental to the community as a whole.

Celestial gear if bought for MF wouldn’t have provided you with the adequate MF compared to the other MF gear. Which means to have bought the gear your primary goal was the stats that it provided. My ranger currently utilizes a multi-stat combinations with several celestial gear to balance out weak points in character build while not sacrificing too much in regards with damage.

Celestial gear should not be compensated as you self-centered people want. You originally bought it for the stats and not for the full MF. If you were fully after MF you would have gone with a full MF set.

Also trying to say lowering Critial damage or power on Bezerker gear would not create the same situation. Celestial is designed to provide to all stats that can the appear on armor. MF was removed as a stat and Celestial reflect that. Boon duration and Condition duration are not stats that appear on the armor and should not appear on Celestial.

Before you try to insult me or to say that I do not understand, I myself have Celestial gear and had a set of MF armor. I have spent Laurals on celestial items and have no regrets doing so. I am also pleased they removed MF from the armor have compensated me for some of my gear. Such as my backpiece used to be a Travelers and I have now made it a Bezerks but considered Celestial as well. My Celestial items are also still worn cause its the stats I wanted and MF being removed for a valid and good reason has not made me angry.

Reading posts especially Blaine Tog’s posts which focus on “me” with no regard to the community as a whole. The item you bought still is there and has not been stolen from you. Nor has it battle capabilities been lowered. You just lost your advantage of being a “lazy” bum who feeds off the work of others.

The only people I will exclude from this is straight PVE players who solo the entire game without going to any major events or participate with anyone else. Since going to any those events means everyone else is doing more work and your just tagging everything and letting them do most of it.

Turtle Dragon.9241:

Niblit.7452:

Turtle Dragon.9241:

Lunaria BEFORE
+43 Power
+43 Precision
+43 Toughness
+43 Vitality
+43 Condition Damage
+6% Critical Damage
+43 Healing Power
+4% Magic Find

You were running with those stats

Lunaria AFTER
+43 Power
+43 Precision
+43 Toughness
+43 Vitality
+43 Condition Damage
+6% Critical Damage
+43 Healing Power

+20% Magic Find(from Essence of Luck given for free).

So you lost 4% Magic Find from 1 item, and you were given 20% Magic Find for your whole ACCOUNT as REPLACEMENT. If you say the stats on the item are bad now, just note that they are exactly the same as the stats you were running with before.

I have Celestial Sigil, Ancient Mursaat Token, Triforge Pendant, Lunaria and Solaria. That’s 4% Magic Find removed from each, I was given 20% Account-Wide Magic Find. I break even(Math: 5 × 4% = 20%), you on the other hand, got extra free Magic Find because you only have two Celestial Accessories.

Stop contradicting yourself, Math 101 this way.

Everyone was given that 20%, it was not a replacement for the loss of MF, it was a gift to everyone, even those who never had MF at all. He did indeed lose something (the MF and the reason for having bought those specific trinkets).
Or the matter could be seen as a replacement for him (and all the other MF users) and as a gift to everyone else (and even in this case he did lose the gift given to everyone else).

Not a GIFT. This is COMPENSATION.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Essence_of_Luck_
Given to accounts created before the Super Adventure Box: Back to School release to compensate for loss of Magic Find gear.

How does what “everyone” else recieve actually have anything to do with it?

So your concept is, if someone owes me 5 cookies, and comes to the party with a huge truck of cookies and gives 5 cookies to everyone including me, he has not repaid his debt towards me at all?

If that’s what you are implying, then that is extremely selfish. I consider that he repaid me the cookies and out of pure kindness, he shared 5 cookies to everyone else in the party.

Now, if he owed me 5 cookies but gave cookies to everyone except for me, then I would have reason to be angry.

So, the 20% MF worth of Essences of Luck given to previous owners of MF gear was compensation, but the 20% MF worth of Essences of Luck given to everyone else was just a gift?

Seems fair.

I have seen companies give absolutely nothing to anybody and tell their players to suck it up. Anet gave SOMETHING for the change; whether it is what you wanted or not… it is something.

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/dont-look-a-gift-horse-in-the-mouth.html

Mad Rasputin.7809:

Turtle Dragon.9241:

Niblit.7452:

Turtle Dragon.9241:

Lunaria BEFORE
+43 Power
+43 Precision
+43 Toughness
+43 Vitality
+43 Condition Damage
+6% Critical Damage
+43 Healing Power
+4% Magic Find

You were running with those stats

Lunaria AFTER
+43 Power
+43 Precision
+43 Toughness
+43 Vitality
+43 Condition Damage
+6% Critical Damage
+43 Healing Power

+20% Magic Find(from Essence of Luck given for free).

So you lost 4% Magic Find from 1 item, and you were given 20% Magic Find for your whole ACCOUNT as REPLACEMENT. If you say the stats on the item are bad now, just note that they are exactly the same as the stats you were running with before.

I have Celestial Sigil, Ancient Mursaat Token, Triforge Pendant, Lunaria and Solaria. That’s 4% Magic Find removed from each, I was given 20% Account-Wide Magic Find. I break even(Math: 5 × 4% = 20%), you on the other hand, got extra free Magic Find because you only have two Celestial Accessories.

Stop contradicting yourself, Math 101 this way.

Everyone was given that 20%, it was not a replacement for the loss of MF, it was a gift to everyone, even those who never had MF at all. He did indeed lose something (the MF and the reason for having bought those specific trinkets).
Or the matter could be seen as a replacement for him (and all the other MF users) and as a gift to everyone else (and even in this case he did lose the gift given to everyone else).

Not a GIFT. This is COMPENSATION.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Essence_of_Luck_
Given to accounts created before the Super Adventure Box: Back to School release to compensate for loss of Magic Find gear.

How does what “everyone” else recieve actually have anything to do with it?

So your concept is, if someone owes me 5 cookies, and comes to the party with a huge truck of cookies and gives 5 cookies to everyone including me, he has not repaid his debt towards me at all?

If that’s what you are implying, then that is extremely selfish. I consider that he repaid me the cookies and out of pure kindness, he shared 5 cookies to everyone else in the party.

Now, if he owed me 5 cookies but gave cookies to everyone except for me, then I would have reason to be angry.

So, the 20% MF worth of Essences of Luck given to previous owners of MF gear was compensation, but the 20% MF worth of Essences of Luck given to everyone else was just a gift?

Seems fair.

It is fair.
Example:
The internet went down for a whole day.
The internet company decided to compensate all of their customers and give them 1 month free internet for the inconvenience.
I was in Australia during that day.
I got 1 month free internet, and so did you.
How is it unfair?
Because you suffered through 1 day without internet and I didnt?
So you are saying that the internet company has to check that i wasnt there on the day this happened and not give me 1 month free, and check on each and every customer in turn?
Why do you care if I got 1 month free internet anyway? You did too.
That does not concern you what I get for free.
Jealousy much?

Daddicus.6128:

Why do people keep saying celestial?

And for the naysayers, I BOUGHT the trinkets specifically to improve my magic find. My whole set of gear was designed around MF. So, losing that from two of the items without compensation hurts.

Plus, who said it was only 8%? I’ve dropped more than 100% just from that one character’s gear. I haven’t even checked the rest of them. SOME of it will get replaced by, IMO, inferior stats. But certainly not all.

To get the 300% somebody mentioned, one has to do a LOT of work. Work I had already done in 6 months of dailies and monthlies. I’m dropping from 100+ on each of four characters to 4% account wide. That’s hardly compensation.

However, I am interested in knowing about this 20% we supposedly get for free. I received no such bonus of which I’m aware.

You are the reason the magic find changes took place. Thank yourself for that.

And you were compensated. You were given 20% account wide magic find, for free. For losing, what…8% magic find? If that?

If you didn’t receive the 5 purple luck items in the mail then that is an entirely different issue and you should contact support about that.

Haaretram.6214:

Stooperdale.3560:

Your car anology is just ridiculous. Nobody has taken the ring away from you. You still have the fully functional ring. Your account based magic find is more than amount lost on the ring. Your combat level is no worse than before.

I’ll give a hint here. When someone posts on a forum looking for sympathy and doesn’t get any, there’s no point arguing. That someone will get even less sympathy when they say they want more mf than other players (other forum readers) because they see the game as an adversarial rush for gold and loot.

The analogy isn’t ridiculous, it is simply focused on a single argument. Finding one that covers every aspect would be a waste, of time, since others have already explained why other factors are not a magic cure. But since you need a recap:

The OP does not still have a fully functional ring. He has a partially functional ring, whose benefits are 100% lost if he decides he would rather use a fully functional ring.

His account based magic find is not higher for having spent 35 laurels on the ring. Calling it compensation for the ring does not fit, because he could have not spent the 35 laurels and still ended up with same mf. He would have chosen that option of not spending (or spending them on other stuff), except that all available information at the time said that spending the laurels that way results in more mf then not doing so.

He bought that ring having determined that it would slightly reduce his combat ability in exchanged for some mf. Remove the mf with no compensation and he is left with a slightly reduced combat ability in exchange for nothing. His combat ability may not be worse then when he was using mf celestial ring, but that level of combat ability was only acceptable (to him) because it offered mf.

Actually it is ridiculous. They dident take your ring away from you. At best using the car thing they came by and took the spare tire. Even then it would be a stretch to go that far.

Turtle Dragon.9241:

Not a GIFT. This is COMPENSATION.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Essence_of_Luck_
Given to accounts created before the Super Adventure Box: Back to School release to compensate for loss of Magic Find gear.

How does what “everyone” else recieve actually have anything to do with it?

So your concept is, if someone owes me 5 cookies, and comes to the party with a huge truck of cookies and gives 5 cookies to everyone including me, he has not repaid his debt towards me at all?

If that’s what you are implying, then that is extremely selfish. I consider that he repaid me the cookies and out of pure kindness, he shared 5 cookies to everyone else in the party.

Now, if he owed me 5 cookies but gave cookies to everyone except for me, then I would have reason to be angry.

Sorry, this has maybe nothing to do with the post but i have to reply: in your situation i would feel compensated, but i think it would be an awkward situation: i couldn’t help but think: “why did i have to earn those cookies while everyone else gets them for free? I mean, why me and only me?” We would still be friends and all, your debt would be settled, and i’d be seriously super happy for all the others who got the free cookies, but then i wouldn’t be able to shrug off the sensation that you’re provoking me somehow. I don’t know, i’d feel last among equals.
And just a thought more on topic: i don’t think the OP is asking for more cookies, just the option to choose a different flavour (stat combination).

Yaki.9563:

Blix.8021:

Yaki.9563:

Blix.8021:

celestial items still have more stats on them than other sets, you and everyone else who are complaining about this are doing so completely without merit. If you bought celestial stuff for the paltry magic find gain, that’s your own fault

This is such a bogus argument. Celestial items have more stats but not all stats are equal, regardless of build. You really have to stretch to make it semi-worthwhile and the magic find was the extra bit that it took for some people. Seriously, how is that not hard to understand?

Maybe we should take all those berserker rings and nerf the crap out of them so that their +crit values are in line with armor. Then it would be “your fault” for buying them in the first place.

The only people who should have bought celestial items in the first place are people with builds which can use all stats. The removal of MF did nothing to affect that. Anyone crying about celestial gear is beyond hope.

Using all stats doesn’t mean they are all equal in value.

And LOL @ thinking this game is nothing but combat. Oh wait, there’s the TP and crafting and all the other things you might spend money on where MF matters.

Um…other than in combat and affecting rolls against the loot tables after you kill a mob, MF literally affects nothing else..

Like others said your post is misleading aside from that you have valid concerns but you should learn to articulate them more correctly.
Since Ive been playing for a while I know these celestial items you are referring to had the stat make up to include MF. Account mf, you getting a refund, etc is honestly irrelevant.
What you need to be asking is more in the lines of this;
Since this celestial gear was balanced stat wise/point wise/percentage wise with other items in the game to INCLUDE mf, now that MF is no longer apart of this will the unused points be added to the gear in other ways.

Everything else in this thread but that is moot hate to say it.

Turtle Dragon.9241:

How does what “everyone” else recieve actually have anything to do with it?

So your concept is, if someone owes me 5 cookies, and comes to the party with a huge truck of cookies and gives 5 cookies to everyone including me, he has not repaid his debt towards me at all?

MF is not cookies. That’s where the analogy breaks down. If everyone has the same MF, then MF might as well not be in the game. If I have more MF than you, then I’ll get more gear over time. MF gives a comparative economic advantage, not an absolute one. This makes it very different from all the other stats in PvE.

Suddenflame.2601:

Reading through most of the posts I have come to the conclusion that people wanting MF on their gear or massive compensation are being greedy and self-centered.

“Massive” compensation? No, all I want is the exact same kind of compensation all the other MF armor types were given. I’m just asking for parity.

Suddenflame.2601:

This one shows how self-centered you have to be in the first place. MF was removed do in fact how it was anti-team based stat that provided a bonus to the “lazy” people of the game. Basically,you did less work but get a larger potential for a better reward. Anet removed MF from armor as it unfair and detrimental to the community as a whole.

Yes, and I agree with the decision to remove MF from armor. It was a good idea in general. It was also a good idea to give Explorer and Traveler armor different stats in compensation, and it was also a good idea to allow people with Explorer and Traveler armor to swap stat combinations this one time for free. This allowed Anet to maintain stat parity on those armor sets as well as allowing people who had invested in them the opportunity to pick new a set, so they wouldn’t feel cheated.

Suddenflame.2601:

Celestial gear if bought for MF wouldn’t have provided you with the adequate MF compared to the other MF gear. Which means to have bought the gear your primary goal was the stats that it provided. My ranger currently utilizes a multi-stat combinations with several celestial gear to balance out weak points in character build while not sacrificing too much in regards with damage.

Celestial gear should not be compensated as you self-centered people want. You originally bought it for the stats and not for the full MF. If you were fully after MF you would have gone with a full MF set.

First of all, don’t presume to tell me my own motivations. We are not good friends who have known each other for years. I haven’t been seeing you weekly for therapy.

Second, how does it make sense for the people who were previously the most greedy and self-centered (according to you) to get two types of compensation, whereas the people who were less self-centered and caused lesser fairness issues in group settings to get no compensation at all?

I bought Celestial for my Ele because I wanted all the stats. MF wasn’t the sole reason for purchasing it, but it was a nice inclusion to the deal. If ANet wants to backtrack and say Celestial gear was OP and this nerf brings it in line, fine, but at least do us the courtesy of allowing us to decide for ourselves whether the nerfed tipped the scales on whether we would’ve bought it or not. Because if I decide I’d have chosen some other stat combination, I’m out 150 Laurels and 100 Globs of Ectoplasm (which recently skyrocketed in price thanks to the introduction of Ascended Weapons). And I don’t even have a full Celestial set, just rings and accessories!

And finally, I’ll ask this one more time: why does it matter so much to you that we are prevented from changing our set this one time? I can’t think of a good reason for you at all to care. It hurts no one for us to be given the option to change.

is this really happening. how old is OP?

Having read everything so far, gotta say OP, I disagree with your whole premise as do most people here.

You lost 8% MF from ascended rings (which is your whole laurel complaint) but got 20% MF in exchange. Who cares if everyone got it. Mind your own business and stop looking at what everyone else did or didn’t get. Everyone is in the same boat at this point. You did not get shafted as badly as you want everyone to believe, you’re just upset that you don’t have 100% MF. Nobody does anymore, get over it… those that do earned it through salvage just like you can now.

Ascended rings/amulets are so easy to come by in this game it’s really not worth taking the time to complain about it. I have 3 characters with full ascended rings/acc. Most were from FoTM drops. A few I purchased. My ele had BOTH of the rings you are whining about and I now have more MF than I did before….

Your MF drop is because of your exotic gear losing MF, not your ascended stuff. Your combat stats have not changed, you gained what you lost from the ascended pieces changing and then some, so really, stop complaining. You’re just wrong.

EDIT: Look at it this way, everyone just got a hidden +10% MF on each ring. EVERYONE. And everyone also lost all MF on their exotic gear which is EASILY replaced. Case closed.

Suddenflame.2601:

Also trying to say lowering Critial damage or power on Bezerker gear would not create the same situation. Celestial is designed to provide to all stats that can the appear on armor. MF was removed as a stat and Celestial reflect that. Boon duration and Condition duration are not stats that appear on the armor and should not appear on Celestial.

So MF should simply have been removed from Explorer’s and Traveler’s Gear and people with them not allowed to change?

I’m not saying Celestial gear should’ve been allowed to keep MF. I’m saying merely removing it without compensation or allowing us to change is unfair.

Suddenflame.2601:

You just lost your advantage of being a “lazy” bum who feeds off the work of others.

You’re right, now I’m just a lazy bum who feeds off the work of others for no reason.

Look, you can’t have it both ways. Either pre-nerf Celestial gear had good enough combat stats so that running it wasn’t a drag on the party (in which case its MF wasn’t selfish at all), or pre-nerf Celestial gear didn’t have good enough combat stats and it should be buffed to compensate for the loss of MF. You can’t call the items selfish on one side of the nerf but balanced on the other side, that just makes no sense.

Sudden.8729:

To the OP’er;

You wouldn’t cuss out a hardware provider for providing new hardware, no matter how much you paid for the old stuff. Give that same courtesy to software/game developers.

Interesting analogy, but it doesn’t apply as is. However, I can convert it to one that does:

You and I both buy new hard disks for our computers (same day, same store, etc.) Unbeknownst to us, your disk is a slightly different model from mine, under the hood.

Later, the hardware vendor realizes they screwed up and that both disks will lose data on the disks due to their error. So, they offer me a replacement disk (same size). However, for yours they offer to remove the bad spot on the disk and let you keep it (as a smaller disk, due to the error removal).

Now the analogy fits. Is it fair?

Blix.8021:

The only people who should have bought celestial items in the first place are people with builds which can use all stats. The removal of MF did nothing to affect that. Anyone crying about celestial gear is beyond hope.

There are very few such builds, and they are better served with other gear anyway. The only place where the celestial gear really shined was as a MF set.

Daddicus.6128:

Sudden.8729:

To the OP’er;

You wouldn’t cuss out a hardware provider for providing new hardware, no matter how much you paid for the old stuff. Give that same courtesy to software/game developers.

Interesting analogy, but it doesn’t apply as is. However, I can convert it to one that does:

You and I both buy new hard disks for our computers (same day, same store, etc.) Unbeknownst to us, your disk is a slightly different model from mine, under the hood.

Later, the hardware vendor realizes they screwed up and that both disks will lose data on the disks due to their error. So, they offer me a replacement disk (same size). However, for yours they offer to remove the bad spot on the disk and let you keep it (as a smaller disk, due to the error removal).

Now the analogy fits. Is it fair?

The analogy doesn’t fit.

Unfortunately it does fit, those with the Runes of the traveler were given a significantly better set of stats. Those with Magic find armor or most jewellery were given the option to chose a new set of stats. Those with these items were not given any choice. The items value has still been reduced from what was bought.

It would have been nice if they had offered an exchange for any other Ascended jewellery. That said I wouldn’t swap any of my Syzergy amulets and have bought another one since.

That said those who forked out the resources to make a triforge were royally screwed over when these came out. They have also lost the lucky part with no recompense. I think that should have been uprated to Legendary status with higher stats than the ascended (I don’t own one).

Really they didn’t think enough when they created the Ascended jewellery.

There is also the issue of the Superior Rune of the Pirate, available for just 1 silver 32 copper. I wonder what plans they have got for recompensing the owners of those lemons. In all probability it’s ‘screw you lot, we don’t give a kitten ’.

Ya know, there is more to buy than just gear. Like guild letters and that kitty potion.

The issue here is that Celestial gear already is over the “stat budget”. As it currently stands, the Celestial gear is worth more in raw stats than any other set ingame. Because these stat are widely spread, there are many cases where it will be weaker, but there are also many cases where it will be stronger.

Now, if it’s already got more stats than any other armor does, it can’t really be fair to buff it even more. Sure, it lost MF, but it’s not like you used the MF in combat. I understand your concern, but straight buffing the ring wouldn’t work.

I would support Anet offering a refund on celestial gear, but I really don’t see it as bad as you’re making it.

OP needs to understand that Celestial stats were already much better than other stat combos. It gave a decent bump to all stats, while other types gave bigger boosts to two or three specific combos. Subtracting the small % MF hardly hurt the overall effect of Celestials. They are still strong stat combos.

Now if you’re talking about the Ascended rings that gave +10% MF (i.e. Snaff’s Gyre), losing the MF was a huge deal, since the other boosts were so minor. And since there’s no real replacement for MF, Anet allowed these players to select a new combo.

Note – your analogy is flawed, as both of you had different harddrives, meaning different compensation packages wouldn’t be unfair.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Note – your analogy is flawed, as both of you had different harddrives, meaning different compensation packages wouldn’t be unfair.

The analogy applies perfectly: In one hard disk, an approximately equal replacement is offered. In the other, something is instead taken away.

I’m not asking for the MF back. I’m simply asking why I can’t be allowed to choose another item for the same price instead.

The 20% mf we were given in no way compensated for the loss of magic find gear. Prior to the changes I had 170% base mf including those 2 rings the OP mentioned, all part of my mains mf farming set. Now, a week after the changes, salvaging every green and blue I collect I am not even at 50% yet. That 20% was a placebo, nothing more. Everyone got it, whether they had 200% worth of mf gear or 0%.

To be fair they did offer the changes in existing gear but that was the gear only. The runes and sigils in that gear became worthless and if like me your heavy armor wearers already had exotic gear, the gear itself became worthless, just a set of exotics with stats duplicating an existing set. Prior to the changes if I was in the open PvE world I would find a half dozen rares a day just from killing mobs in my path with over 200% buffed mf. Now with barely 75% buffed I am lucky to find one.

Like the OP I bought those 2 rings for my main as the mf balanced the loss of stats. If I was to do it again today, under the new rules, I would choose differently. That 20% they gave you does not even factor into the argument because as mentioned, everyone got it.

It’s even worse than I thought. My Golden Lotus’ infusion is Magic Find 20%, and the rest of the stats were removed completely. I can replace the other stats, but when I do I will lose the infusion completely.

That makes 100 laurels in the ash-can, more than 2 months work. And, that’s only on 1 character! This is really sickening, and it’s made worse by people who think it’s fair and demand that I do also.

NOTE: We CAN buy another 20% MF with 20 more laurels. I wonder how long it will take them to figure that out and yank it again.

Mad Rasputin.7809:

Vayne.8563:

OP, the very least you should have is 20% not 4%, because you were sent consumables via in game mail to bring up up to 20%. This more than compensates for those specific stats.

As time goes on, and you do dailies and salvage blues and greens it’ll go much higher. It’s a small investment for a realtively short time, unless you don’t play at all.

Hate to call you out personally, but I am sick of seeing this on the forums.

Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, was given enough essence of luck to get them around 20% extra account bound MF to start.

How in any way, shape, or form is this compensation for me losing my MF gear? The guy standing next to me in LA who didn’t lose anything because he didn’t use MF gear got the exact same bonus.

This 20% MF boost to start is NOT a compensation to people who have lost anything due to the MF changes. It was a gift to all the player base.

People who had MF gear were given NO form of compensation whatsoever.

I have to admit, I am annoyed at this “compensation”. My ranger had 204% MF through gear, gear crafted specially and at cost for MF, and got 20% in return.

As soon as they mentioned Fine salvage would give essence of luck, I bought as many Fine weps and armour as I could. Even without paying any more than fifty pennies per item, I had thousands to salvage. And got 84%. Oh, I also got RSI.

On a brighter note, MF didn’t seem to make much difference to drops before the change and doesn’t seem to have made any difference after. I still get cursedly rubbish drops. 2069 hours of gameplay and I have had 2 Exotics drop.

Yeah, Anet needed to offer a full refund on Celestial gear. Removing a primary stat with no compensation was very weak of them.

One last comment before I leave for good: Let’s think about this in reverse:

Would ANet have tolerated it if, a year ago, I were to have uncovered a glitch whereby I could add an extra 4% Magic Find to my rings? It’s no big deal, right?

Would they tolerate now it if I found an exploit where I could get free Magical Infusions or get the rings with the MF still included?

Of course not! So, why do I have to accept it when they do it to me?

I’m leaving the game, so I probably won’t reply again. I’ll check in now and then to see if they corrected the problem, but I doubt I’ll post again. See ya!

Daddicus.6128:

It’s even worse than I thought. My Golden Lotus’ infusion is Magic Find 20%, and the rest of the stats were removed completely. I can replace the other stats, but when I do I will lose the infusion completely.

That makes 100 laurels in the ash-can, more than 2 months work. And, that’s only on 1 character! This is really sickening, and it’s made worse by people who think it’s fair and demand that I do also.

NOTE: We CAN buy another 20% MF with 20 more laurels. I wonder how long it will take them to figure that out and yank it again.

Correction: I’ve been told by tech support that you don’t lose the infusions when you convert the main item. Further, this 20% infusion remains in the game, so you don’t even have to buy a different infusion.

Sylentir.8913:

The issue here is that Celestial gear already is over the “stat budget”. As it currently stands, the Celestial gear is worth more in raw stats than any other set ingame. Because these stat are widely spread, there are many cases where it will be weaker, but there are also many cases where it will be stronger.

Actually, no, there are practically no cases where it would be stronger. That’s the whole point.

Astralporing.1957:

Sylentir.8913:

The issue here is that Celestial gear already is over the “stat budget”. As it currently stands, the Celestial gear is worth more in raw stats than any other set ingame. Because these stat are widely spread, there are many cases where it will be weaker, but there are also many cases where it will be stronger.

Actually, no, there are practically no cases where it would be stronger. That’s the whole point.

So what people are arguing in this thread is that Celestial users were perfectly fine with gimping themselves and their team (even though plenty of people swore up and down Celestial was more than viable if you build right) because they personally benefited from the MF. But now that that benefit for themselves no longer exists, they refuse to use or feel weaker using Celestial and want compensation for the MF removal, even though the viability from a def/off combat stat point of view didn’t change at all…hmm, yeah.

@OP, I re-geared my warrior completely because of the nerfs to my build, ascended items included. I was a S/S warrior, knight’s(I was really happy with this build until the fire nation came and burned my build and my play-style into the ground); revamped the sword and my gear and build immediately became worthless along with my play-style, and yes I did smash just about every class with that build. I then switched to rapid which I do crap damage now, I can’t even run a dungeon in which I have to damage an object without feeling embarrassed because of the laughable wet noddle I now swing with shame.

Replacing an item or two is nothing compared to a whole set. I can’t believe people feel so entitled because one or two items which still have use became obsolete to them. I have to replace eleven items, bloody hell. Anyway, Deal with it OP, ArenaNet doesn’t think twice before trashing a build or play-style, they have certainly demonstrated that with their own manifesto.

Niblit.7452:

Turtle Dragon.9241:

Not a GIFT. This is COMPENSATION.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Essence_of_Luck_
Given to accounts created before the Super Adventure Box: Back to School release to compensate for loss of Magic Find gear.

How does what “everyone” else recieve actually have anything to do with it?

So your concept is, if someone owes me 5 cookies, and comes to the party with a huge truck of cookies and gives 5 cookies to everyone including me, he has not repaid his debt towards me at all?

If that’s what you are implying, then that is extremely selfish. I consider that he repaid me the cookies and out of pure kindness, he shared 5 cookies to everyone else in the party.

Now, if he owed me 5 cookies but gave cookies to everyone except for me, then I would have reason to be angry.

Sorry, this has maybe nothing to do with the post but i have to reply: in your situation i would feel compensated, but i think it would be an awkward situation: i couldn’t help but think: “why did i have to earn those cookies while everyone else gets them for free? I mean, why me and only me?” We would still be friends and all, your debt would be settled, and i’d be seriously super happy for all the others who got the free cookies, but then i wouldn’t be able to shrug off the sensation that you’re provoking me somehow. I don’t know, i’d feel last among equals.
And just a thought more on topic: i don’t think the OP is asking for more cookies, just the option to choose a different flavour (stat combination).

This tends to happen all the time. To stay in the cookies theme, I’d first thank the friend for giving me cookies earlier and in the process of giving him the cookies I’d then say I baked enough cookies for the whole department. They have to thank the one friend for that.

Not only is that a reasonable scenario, it tends to happen a lot in my life. Maybe my friends and colleagues are just a bit more generous than the OP’s.

azurrei.5691:

Astralporing.1957:

Sylentir.8913:

The issue here is that Celestial gear already is over the “stat budget”. As it currently stands, the Celestial gear is worth more in raw stats than any other set ingame. Because these stat are widely spread, there are many cases where it will be weaker, but there are also many cases where it will be stronger.

Actually, no, there are practically no cases where it would be stronger. That’s the whole point.

So what people are arguing in this thread is that Celestial users were perfectly fine with gimping themselves and their team (even though plenty of people swore up and down Celestial was more than viable if you build right) because they personally benefited from the MF. But now that that benefit for themselves no longer exists, they refuse to use or feel weaker using Celestial and want compensation for the MF removal, even though the viability from a def/off combat stat point of view didn’t change at all…hmm, yeah.

Yes, exactly – the same as every other MF build there was.
And yet for some reason Celestials were treated differently.

Astralporing.1957:

Yes, exactly – the same as every other MF build there was.
And yet for some reason Celestials were treated differently.

Nice post! So simple, yet so true.

The argument that MF was wrong has absolutely no bearing on this discussion. It’s completely unrelated to the issue.

The issue is the different way some gear was treated vs. the rest. “Logic, logic; what DO they teach them at these schools?”

Daddicus.6128:

I’m not talking about celestial items. I named the two this thread is about. I recommend reading more carefully before issuing “completely without merit” comments.

Those two items LOST their benefit. It is not replaced, and there’s no option to undo it. So, yes, I have a lot to be concerned about.

@_ @

what if I told you solaria and lunaria ARE celestial stats?

Daddicus.6128:

Astralporing.1957:

Yes, exactly – the same as every other MF build there was.
And yet for some reason Celestials were treated differently.

Nice post! So simple, yet so true.

The argument that MF was wrong has absolutely no bearing on this discussion. It’s completely unrelated to the issue.

The issue is the different way some gear was treated vs. the rest. “Logic, logic; what DO they teach them at these schools?”

You keep on making the mistake that two different items should be treated the same. Some gear’s MF had a much large presence, thus Anet compensated by allowing us to switch it around. Celestial gear was balanced out with medium stat boosts across the board. The loss of MF on Celestial gear was minor, as it didn’t take away from the effectiveness of the gear. Meaning, Celestial gear is still strong, while MF gear lost a major attribute.

To put it in numbers to make it easier to understand:

Celestial gear lost 13% of it’s effectiveness when MF was taken away. One could argue that it’s even less than that, since the bonus to MF was so tiny.

MF gear lost 33% of it’s effectiveness with the loss of one the three stat boosts.

To be honest, with about 60% MF account bound, I have better, consistent MF than I ever had before.

sweet tears of MF leechers….

OP agree
I also have lunaria, solaria which I bought as part of my MF gear…
Luckily I’ve managed to craft only one celestial armor (chest) when I heard anet going to remove MF from celestial gear. Then I salvaged it.

But I’ve learned something very important here what Anet does and its totally unfair.
When they introduced first ascended accessories the solaria, lunaria rings vere the only ones with MF 4% (among ascended)
Then they introduced new asc rings with 10% MF so if I knew this I would wait to buy myself those (10% is way better than 4%).
Now if i bought those with 10% MF I would be able to convert them to new rings (after the MF removal)
So I am punished for something I coudnt anyhow influenced

Another example scarlet invasion boxes. i was doing invasions and ofc. opened boxes sold greens, salvaged blues, whites
Now If I knew (but I didnt) I would keep all boxes until new patch and then open them and I would get the new material (blood dust or whatever), new exotic weapons introduced with new patch (small chance but could) and ofc I wouldnt sell green items and salvage all greens, blues, whites and get lucky essences

Again punished for something I didnt knew, couldnt influenced
What kind of approach ist this ?
Some “choosen ones” know what anet would do in future ?
And those who dont are automatically punished ? seem so to me

8% of my MF was stolen from me! Stolen! I should be allowed to transmute my 8% into whatever stat in the game I want or I’m broken and unviable! I got that celestial set specifically so I could get 8% extra MF! So I can turn my .01% chance to get something into a .01% chance!

Blix.8021:

celestial items still have more stats on them than other sets, you and everyone else who are complaining about this are doing so completely without merit. If you bought celestial stuff for the paltry magic find gain, that’s your own fault

People keep saying stuff like this in every topic about Celestial. But ultimately, it’s only because they don’t understand how Stats & Specializing actually work in the game.

ilr.9675:

Blix.8021:

celestial items still have more stats on them than other sets, you and everyone else who are complaining about this are doing so completely without merit. If you bought celestial stuff for the paltry magic find gain, that’s your own fault

People keep saying stuff like this in every topic about Celestial. But ultimately, it’s only because they don’t understand how Stats & Specializing actually work in the game.

I do know how it works but I don’t care about min-maxing. Celestial makes my Engineer work good enough with almost any build. I could improve my dps a little bit, but that’s at the cost of survivability and flexibility I’m not willing to pay.

Furthermore, I have a real life so grinding out several sets of gear is not an option. Celestial is a good all rounder for people like me.

Well. As someone what went full Celestial trinkets, as a certain bit of “nerf-proofing” any build I might swap my main to, I can see both sides of the argument. Something that I’ve wondered, RE: Celestial EQ (and, tbh, MF gear in general.):

• MF is a “non-combat” stat.
• Karma gain is a “non-combat” stat.
• Karma gain, across the board, got a massive beatdown
• I wonder why there wasn’t an option (even at a 2-to-1 ratio, from MF > Karma gain) to swap those two specific boosts around.

Seems to me, at that point, both sides of the fence could potentially have a “nice” time of things?

Did anyone ever, throughout this whole thread, think to send a ticket “just in case” it was an actual error?

It seems that when something like this happens, the first thing we do is run to the forums to complain instead of contacting the people who can actually do something about it.

Thing is, Ashabhi: The OP’s complaint is in response to ANet themselves stating that – while other MF-laden EQ would be swappable – Celestial would not. Ergo, the current situation is indeed not an error.

Advent.6193:

Thing is, Ashabhi: The OP’s complaint is in response to ANet themselves stating that – while other MF-laden EQ would be swappable – Celestial would not. Ergo, the current situation is indeed not an error.

Ah, I missed that. mea culpa…