Guild Wars 2

Hey guys,

it’s more a question than something I really want but what I’d like to say is.

You gonna remove the gold drops from champsions in every dungeon. I’m fine with that, I always said that it shouldn’t be the way you play dungeons with all this magic and gold find stuff.
But yeah, most people bought that gilded infusion only cause of the dungeon champs. So, after your next patch, this infusion will be useless, cause for the reason I said before, people only bought it for the dungeon champs.

Another thing is, you gonna remove magic find from items, will you remove it as infusion too? Will you refund that?

In my case, after next patch, I “wasted” 80 laurels. That’s two months of daily/monthly play. Two months is a long of time and if you like to gear up more than one char it takes rly long to get this amount of laurels back.

So, I dont wanne say, you have to refund the laurels, but it would be nice.

And at least, I know you hear it every day, but cause English issn’t my mother tongue, I’m sorry for some mistakes I made.

greetings

I accidently bought a defense infusion amulet, so after a bit I finally bought a utility one with the same stats and got my mf infusion. This was like 2 weeks ago :P A small refund would be nice, though not sure on the gilded.

You had 2 weeks to make use of this infusion(most likely farming cof). If you notice it says “all drops”, even without dungeon bosses dropping gold there’s still everything else.

It would be one thing if they completely removed gold drops from mobs, but aslong as most things still drop coins any complaint about buying atleast the gold infusion is meaningless especially if anyone saw the post first and still bought it thinking it was nothing.

Would you be willing to return all of the gold you made while using it?

The Gilded infusions still work as advertised. They aren’t specifically for dungeons. I doubt they will issue refunds. Maybe they will for magic find items since it is going away completely at some point.

Wilhelm.6894:

You had 2 weeks to make use of this infusion(most likely farming cof). If you notice it says “all drops”, even without dungeon bosses dropping gold there’s still everything else.

I was the only person who mentioned 2 weeks, not the OP :P

Wilhelm.6894:

It would be one thing if they completely removed gold drops from mobs, but aslong as most things still drop coins any complaint about buying atleast the gold infusion is meaningless especially if anyone saw the post first and still bought it thinking it was nothing.

Yeah, I know, that’s why I’m not saying, that I want the laurels back.

But I also said, that most ppl, when not all ppl bought the infusion for the reason to get more cash from dungeons and not from random trash while farming events. Only a hand of ppl making cash with gilded infusions and random trash.

So, it’s not the same if they would remove the infusion, yes, but it’s quite the same cause the reason ppl bought it is gone.

Nope. It was never meant to be used to only exploit a dungeon in that manner, unlike magic find which is being removed completely from gear. It’s not even that bad in open world, of course it won’t make you absurd amounts of gold anymore— which is the point. Besides, are people gonna replace the infusion with karma? lol

The solution is to increase the gold drop and rate from enemies outside of dungeons which is why this problem started in the first place.

ArchonWing.9480:

Nope. It was never meant to be used to exploit a dungeon in that manner, unlike magic find which is being removed completely from gear.

It isn’t an exploit, it functioned exactly as advertised. Now however the main reason for using the Gilded Infusion is being removed. You’re statement referencing “exploits” sounds more like sour grapes than anything.

Surbrus.6942:

ArchonWing.9480:

Nope. It was never meant to be used to exploit a dungeon in that manner, unlike magic find which is being removed completely from gear.

It isn’t an exploit, it functioned exactly as advertised. Now however the main reason for using the Gilded Infusion is being removed. You’re statement referencing “exploits” sounds more like sour grapes than anything.

And after the patch, it will still function as advertised.

No refund is needed.

ArchonWing.9480:

And after the patch, it will still function as advertised.

Sure the words used to describe its use have not changed, but suddenly the effectiveness of the Infusion is going to reduced by what?… 90% or more? Sounds like the reasoning used by a slimy lawyer. Just remember that this costing Laurels, means that it was a long grind and represents a lot of the player’s time, effort and in game wealth. I don’t think most people who actually use the item will appreciate having the wool pulled over their eyes and have their item’s effectiveness kitten so much.

This item is no longer worth almost a month’s work. It should probably have its cost reduced to 5 Laurels, perhaps then those who purchased it could receive a 15 Laurel rebate.

I have the infusion on 3 characters, that’s 60 laurels, 2 months of wasted laurels >.> Honestly, if they are getting rid of the major gold drops from monsters, it should be applied to other rewards. Maybe instead of it being 20% more gold, make it 10% but apply it to the end of the dungeon gold reward or from events? Make it as useful as it is now. Also, you needed to buy the amulet so it’s actually closer to 120 laurels lol (Using badges of honour)

Surbrus.6942:

ArchonWing.9480:

And after the patch, it will still function as advertised.

Sure the words used to describe its use have not changed, but suddenly the effectiveness of the Infusion is going to reduced by what?… 90% or more? Sounds like the reasoning used by a slimy lawyer. Just remember that this costing Laurels, means that it was a long grind and represents a lot of the player’s time, effort and in game wealth. I don’t think most people who actually use the item will appreciate having the wool pulled over their eyes and have their item’s effectiveness kitten so much.

This item is no longer worth almost a month’s work.

You just admitted said infusion is in your mind, worthless, outside of taking advantage of certain peculiarities in the game.

Fact is, it is just being balanced with the rewards from elsewhere.

The problem isn’t with gold find. The problem is with the entire game itself. The thing that needs to be fixed is that enemies everywhere in the game needs to drop more gold. 20% of trash is still trash and thus the entire loot system needs a revamp.

In any case, it’s not like I haven’t spent 50 laurels and whatever it takes to build an extra exotic mf gear set. It’ll all be gone soon, so forgive me if I don’t seem to show any sympathy.

People purchased the item specifically for dungeons. If dungeon mini bosses didn’t drop 10s and main bosses didn’t drop 20s, no one would have ever bought it. It would have been viewed as the waste of 20 laurels that it is turning into.

What makes matters worse is now that the two utility infusions will be completely worthless, the Utility amulet is complete waste. So, you wasted 40-50 days of gated farming on items that will no longer work as originally intended.

No one asked for these half-baked, terrible changes. CoF farming and MF leeches are problems for some people, sure, but these “solutions” negatively impact more people than not. So, yeah, they need to compensate players.

ArchonWing.9480:

Fact is, it is just being balanced with the rewards from elsewhere.

The problem isn’t with gold find. The problem is with the entire game itself. The thing that needs to be fixed is that enemies everywhere in the game needs to drop more gold. 20% of trash is still trash and thus the entire loot system needs a revamp.

If this is all I had read of your posts, I could have sworn that you are simply in agreement with everything I’m saying. As it is once the patch hits, the cost does not justify the purchase of this item, because the only real reason for it (boss gold drop) is being removed. Trash does not give nearly enough of a benefit to make up for it.

Care to elaborate on why exactly you disagree?.. it almost seems like a simple misunderstanding or something.

Surbrus.6942:

ArchonWing.9480:

Fact is, it is just being balanced with the rewards from elsewhere.

The problem isn’t with gold find. The problem is with the entire game itself. The thing that needs to be fixed is that enemies everywhere in the game needs to drop more gold. 20% of trash is still trash and thus the entire loot system needs a revamp.

If this is all I had read of your posts, I could have sworn that you are simply in agreement with everything I’m saying. As it is once the patch hits, the cost does not justify the purchase of this item, because the only real reason for it (boss gold drop) is being removed. Trash does not give nearly enough of a benefit to make up for it.

Care to elaborate on why exactly you disagree?.. it almost seems like a simple misunderstanding or something.

Hah, allow me to clarify myself as I admit to using incendiary words sometimes I will reply in depth later, but I will leave you with this point to think about: if Arenanet gets a clue, you may regret getting rid of it for a refund.

Yea, I’m hopeful. Sue me. :p

Well an argument could be made for ppl who use laurels for asc trinkets-had they known they would eventually be craftable they’d save up the laurels as opposed to using them. Do they get refunds? Also, as other people have mentioned, if you are willing to give up every copper earned due to gold find from the moment you bought it until the refund then we’d have something to discuss-but I doubt you or anyone who wants refunds want to give up all the gold made through gf/mf.

Yes the upcoming changes to mf and dungeons will give ppl the short end of the stick who built their entire gearset around that one particular mechanic (doesn’t sound so smart when you put it like that does it?) but asking for a refund is unreasonable imo.

Basically it comes down to :
player x1000: hehehe, Anet didn’t think this through-I’m so smart. Going to get more gw2 money than GOD muhahahaa!
(few months later)
Anet: hmm…this mechanic is causing unforeseen and undesired consequences…let’s close this loop hole
player x1000: -__- NUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!! REFUND! REFUND! REFUND!

If they removed gold from all mobs and only allow us to gain gold through jumping puzzle chests THEN a refund would be up for debate. Really depending on how they balance dungeons henceforth, all it might mean is you have to kill trash mobs to utilize gf-and as someone mentioned it still works in all other aspects of the game so, yeah…no grounds for a refund imo

I don’t know, I find there is a difference between people running magic find gear and people running the glided infusion. Magic find gear is replacing the MAJOR stat of armor with something completely selfish and is hurting the team (if you’re farming PvE with it, go for it, but in dungeons run some proper gear please.), the glided infusion is selfish, but the max you lose is what? 5 extra power, toughness, precision or whatever? And even so, who actually runs those infusions? I’m just kind of annoyed because I have 3 of them lol, I could have gotten the cat tonic or another puppy =(

Surbrus.6942:

ArchonWing.9480:

Fact is, it is just being balanced with the rewards from elsewhere.

The problem isn’t with gold find. The problem is with the entire game itself. The thing that needs to be fixed is that enemies everywhere in the game needs to drop more gold. 20% of trash is still trash and thus the entire loot system needs a revamp.

If this is all I had read of your posts, I could have sworn that you are simply in agreement with everything I’m saying. As it is once the patch hits, the cost does not justify the purchase of this item, because the only real reason for it (boss gold drop) is being removed. Trash does not give nearly enough of a benefit to make up for it.

Care to elaborate on why exactly you disagree?.. it almost seems like a simple misunderstanding or something.

Alright, as I promised, I’ll elaborate on what I said earlier.

First off, in the worst case scenario that they are not creative and decide to give the whole thing an axe, then they should really reimburse everyone. But it’s not just time for that yet.

Reimbursing you all would only be a temporary solution. It doesn’t address why we all bought an MF/GF infusion in the first place. It doesn’t address why gf is not usable in the majority of the game. As long as the game’s drop system works the way it does, it doesn’t matter if it’s 100% mf/gf or 1000% gf. It just makes it less crappy.

Furthermore, there is a reason to keep gold find over magic find, and to keep it viable. Unlike MF, nobody sane would accuse you of sacrificing stats to be a leech. Thus it’s just a straight bonus that affects anyone who has the laurels. Thus, gold find isn’t the problem. More gold needs to drop from more places.

When I said it was being balanced, I believe you people threw up in your mouths a bit. This was intentional, because this concept of balanced is awful. Balance, being, everything is equally as awful. A balanced loot in reality means that challenging content gives more rewards, and less challenging content still gets rewarded without being trivialized (a waste of time). Currently, the situation is not this. Currently, one could really argue that by NOT farming dungeon gold, that there is a tremendous opportunity cost just to try other content. Meanwhile, Areananet does not want you to stick to the same few areas, and thus “grind”.

Sadly, what they fail to realize is the reason people moved to these places in the first place. I’d imagine a few genuinely enjoy the content but I don’t think it’s unfair for me to say that others feel almost forced to. Yes, one can say it’s not mandatory to mass gold or whatever, but it doesn’t change the fact that the loot and the risk vs reward aspect is horrifically broken. You can spent 10 minutes fighting a champion or a blue item. Why waste that kind of time? Thus, there are very logical reasons to do players to do what they do. Thus, their ideals conflicted with the game they actually put out.

There needs to be more sources of gold. Spread it out so we can go around doing a variety of content. Gold find could affect dynamic event too (that in itself needs to be buffed). Raise the coin rewards for the tougher dungeons and fractals. By a lot. Veterans need to drop more. And they need to be tougher. Obviously if one coin drops every 10 minutes, it’s not going to work. This also doesn’t flood the economy, because well… people would find ways to inject gold at the fastest rate regardless.

I’d also like to clarify my use of the word “exploiting”. Unlike a lot of the carebears, I differentiate between cheating and exploiting. Cheating is finding a way to violate the rules of the game. Exploiting is simply taking advantage of a game mechanic that was most likely poorly designed. Yes, I understand people use the later to ridiculous hyperbole (exploiting dodging, or anything I don’t like. ) but in both cases they are things that interrupt and break gameplay. The difference?

Cheating is the responsibility of the cheating player. They chose to break the rules and thus must be dealt with accordingly.

Exploits are the responsibility of the game designer. You cannot blame the players for your own oversights and bad design that allow certain areas of the game to be taken advantage of (say, that Lyssa thing). I don’t blame the players one bit, but I do blame the design that allowed it to happen. I would say here, they are guilty of this a lot into pushing responsibility onto players.

Simply put it’s their responsibility to balance the loot in a way that doesn’t cause this problem. A lot of people will say people will find the most efficient way to do something anyways, but that’s merely an excuse.

tl;dr Try to make it useful everywhere, to promote engaging and challenging content so that gold find may be a meaningful item for the sake of proper gameplay balance so that certain content does not overshadow the rest.

Honestly I can’t imagine you folks that got this infusion could have thought the COF fun-money train was going to last forever? It hung around far longer than I expected by a good margin.

Yeah it is kind of annoying if you spent the money on the infusion, only to now find it less effective in the dungeon, but most dungeon mobs can and do drop silver. Since you apparently only play for the purposes of farming, none of the other infusions will appeal to you even after the changes anyways, so stick it out.

It is a good thing they are moving away from chain farming one dungeon path. It is a great thing they are moving away from magic find on gear. This is such a minor gripe about an overwhelmingly positive change.

I’m just hoping it magically converts itself into some other Infusion that’s actually useful.

…like “Conditions last X% longer/shorter” or something…
Then the people who ALREADY BENEFITTED AND MADE TONS OF GOLD FROM THE GILDED ONE can decide if they want to just keep it, or put another option in its place.

This goes double for the Magic Find one that I slotted in order to get rid of most of the other MF% gear I was wearing before I got it. I didn’t get it because I wanted 200% MF… I got it because I wanted a more balanced well rounded Stat setup in general.

Rennoko.5731:

Honestly I can’t imagine you folks that got this infusion could have thought the COF fun-money train was going to last forever? It hung around far longer than I expected by a good margin.

In my defense, I don’t CoF farm, I farm the crap out of the other dungeons. >:D

Rennoko.5731:

Honestly I can’t imagine you folks that got this infusion could have thought the COF fun-money train was going to last forever? It hung around far longer than I expected by a good margin.

Yeah it is kind of annoying if you spent the money on the infusion, only to now find it less effective in the dungeon, but most dungeon mobs can and do drop silver. Since you apparently only play for the purposes of farming, none of the other infusions will appeal to you even after the changes anyways, so stick it out.

It is a good thing they are moving away from chain farming one dungeon path. It is a great thing they are moving away from magic find on gear. This is such a minor gripe about an overwhelmingly positive change.

CoF had nothing to do with my purchase of it. In fact, CoF is one of the least beneficial dungeons for it. Dungeons like AC or SE with two mini-bosses were FAR more valuable, netting you 25% more guaranteed coin drops than CoF (with Omnoms). Granted, you can’t run them as fast, but they are far more interesting and required less runs than CoF to get the same amount of coin, so it was the obvious choice for more sophisticated players.

But as long as there are narrow minded, complacent consumers with blinders strapped to their face willing to defend half-baked, terrible ideas, we’re going to keep getting them. Pat yourself on the back for turning “Guild Wars” into “Gated Snores”.

Dresden.1736:

Rennoko.5731:

Honestly I can’t imagine you folks that got this infusion could have thought the COF fun-money train was going to last forever? It hung around far longer than I expected by a good margin.

Yeah it is kind of annoying if you spent the money on the infusion, only to now find it less effective in the dungeon, but most dungeon mobs can and do drop silver. Since you apparently only play for the purposes of farming, none of the other infusions will appeal to you even after the changes anyways, so stick it out.

It is a good thing they are moving away from chain farming one dungeon path. It is a great thing they are moving away from magic find on gear. This is such a minor gripe about an overwhelmingly positive change.

CoF had nothing to do with my purchase of it. In fact, CoF is one of the least beneficial dungeons for it. Dungeons like AC or SE with two mini-bosses were FAR more valuable, netting you 25% more guaranteed coin drops than CoF (with Omnoms). Granted, you can’t run them as fast, but they are far more interesting and required less runs than CoF to get the same amount of coin, so it was the obvious choice for more sophisticated players.

But as long as there are narrow minded, complacent consumers with blinders strapped to their face willing to defend half-baked, terrible ideas, we’re going to keep getting them. Pat yourself on the back for turning “Guild Wars” into “Gated Snores”.

I fail to see how not supporting a refund for an item that is reduced in effectiveness is narrow minded. Did I ask for a refund on all my rabid gear when they nerfed mesmer confusion into the ground? I paid for it, it is still effective, just not nearly as effective as before. Did not cost me laurels, but the point is the same. They have no incentive to give you anything.

You represent a very small minority of people who farm dungeons for gold in a game where gold has nearly no value or meaning whatsoever. Congratulations on convincing ANET to refund your laurels if you can though.

For the record, I hate gating, but this has nothing to do with gating. This has to do with a stupid idea (gold and magic find), and it now leaving the game in essence. At least I won’t have to argue with people about if it is right or wrong to sandbag your team with full magic find gear on anymore.

If you enjoy the dungeons, keep doing them, you will still enjoy them without your boost. If you hated the dungeons and just wanted the gold, then I think you need to re-evaluation your priorities.

The only mobs that drop coin consistently are Champions and Legendaries, which are globally being changed. Every other coin drop is few and far in between. If coin boosts worked on more than just mob drops, I’d understand the use of it past dungeons.

ArchonWing.9480:

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Thanks for the elaboration. Ok yeah your thinking is actually very similar to my own on the matter. The main difference being that you’re basically assuming that further positive changes can be made to the way loot is acquired from enemies (therefore gold find may still be useful and worth the investment), while I’m going for the more pessimistic view in that the way loot is handled is not going to be improved (so might as well just scrap gold find along with magic find).

Hey, I spent a month collecting Laurels for an Ascended ring only to find out that I can’t have two of the same rings equipped.

NOWHERE did the game inform me that I couldn’t have two of the same Ascended item, and since I tried to equip it and it unequipped the other ring, it instantly became Soulbound.

Talk about a discouraging waste. A post was made and a ticket was submitted and neither got a reply.

Rennoko.5731:

I fail to see how not supporting a refund for an item that is reduced in effectiveness is narrow minded. Did I ask for a refund on all my rabid gear when they nerfed mesmer confusion into the ground? I paid for it, it is still effective, just not nearly as effective as before. Did not cost me laurels, but the point is the same. They have no incentive to give you anything.

Gold, historically, has not been gated, whereas Laurels are. There is a finite number of laurels anyone could have earned from their release to today, and significantly reducing or removing their effect is a major setback. Between an amulet and an infusion, you’ve wasted over a month of gated currency, whereas 20g for a rabid set can be casually earned in a day or two.

Rennoko.5731:

You represent a very small minority of people who farm dungeons for gold in a game where gold has nearly no value or meaning whatsoever. Congratulations on convincing ANET to refund your laurels if you can though.

LOL, if that were true, then what’s with all the “COF FARMERS ARE RUINING THE LEGENDARY MARKETS BOO FREAKIN HOO” whiners that caused the change in the first place. Do you really believe that, or are you just arguing to hear yourself argue at this point?

Rennoko.5731:

For the record, I hate gating, but this has nothing to do with gating. This has to do with a stupid idea (gold and magic find), and it now leaving the game in essence. At least I won’t have to argue with people about if it is right or wrong to sandbag your team with full magic find gear on anymore.

It has EVERYTHING to do with gating. Laurels are gated, and now coin drops from champs and dungeons are gated. You get one drop per day PER ACCOUNT, how is that not gated?

I didn’t say anything about COF farmers and legendaries… but go on….. take arguments other people present that make no sense and apply them to me if you want.

I don’t earn 20 gold in a day or two. I takes me a week or more. I have 250 laurels, and full ascended gear on my main. I literally could care less about the laurels and have no use for them, exactly the same as gold.

They LIMITED the bonus gold per day per dungeon. You still can do the dungeon all you want, but you won’t get the same gold you used to. Variable paths across multiple dungeons will now have the POTENTIAL to net you more gold

You made the argument yourself…. gold is easy to farm blah blah… so who cares about gating the gold in dungeons anyways? I don’t, and not nearly enough people support your case to see a change. Lash out all you want.

Stone.6751:

Hey, I spent a month collecting Laurels for an Ascended ring only to find out that I can’t have two of the same rings equipped.

NOWHERE did the game inform me that I couldn’t have two of the same Ascended item, and since I tried to equip it and it unequipped the other ring, it instantly became Soulbound.

Talk about a discouraging waste. A post was made and a ticket was submitted and neither got a reply.

To be fair, the rings say “unique” right on them. In order to soulbound both rings, since they are unique, you would have to remove one first. If you didn’t soulbind both, then you could have just given it to an alt. Besides if you looked into alternate ways of acquiring rings, you would notice that they are FotM drops, as well as purchasable with 10 Pristine Fractal Relics. Seeing as how a replacement for the ring is easy to get, you are in luck that you only made a small mistake.

The point of this thread however, is that the people who purchased guilded infusions actually knew what they were doing, and did not make silly mistakes like buyingand soulbinding 2 unique rings using gated currency, rather than the much easier to get gated currency. This is the difference from “I didn’t know what I was doing and I regret my mistake” and “I made the best decision, well researched to make the best of my gated currency, but now it is arbitrarily being nerfed into almost uselessness”.

Rennoko.5731:

I have 250 laurels, and full ascended gear on my main. I literally could care less about the laurels and have no use for them, exactly the same as gold.

What’s your beef then? There are many people who have absolutely no hope of gearing up their characters due to Laurels being gated like this.

I think if they do give you a refund on those laurels, they should charge you the extra gold you made while you had it. Fair is fair.

Otherwise you’d have a bunch of free gold that you didn’t pay any laurels for.

Surbrus.6942:

What’s your beef then? There are many people who have absolutely no hope of gearing up their characters due to Laurels being gated like this.

I have no beef or really a dog in the fight, other than to say it is crazy to assume that because the relative value of this infusion has dropped of, significantly so for some people, and that they should be compensated for it.

Things get changed, skills get stronger and weaker as the game progresses. Did I demand a free rare for every world boss I killed before the buff to world boss drops?

But I am open to suggestions as others have made. Let them take away all the gold you made off the infusion, and the infusion, and refund the laurels. That seems reasonable.

It amazes me the extent people are willing to go to play dumb in order to argue an unpopular opinion. I’m assuming they’re playing dumb, at least. I mean, people can’t be that ignorant to the popular opinion; they’re just ignoring it make bad points, right?

I dunno, I guess I don’t spend enough time online to have to resort to trying to win debates with using strawman arguments in attempts to fuel my narcissism, so I just don’t get it…

How about they just remove the infusion (put it in the user’s inventory) and give them the ability to trade them for other infusions? I don’t know. It just makes me laugh how it’s basically the people who have the infusions arguing against the people who don’t own them. But sure, if they had a way to keep track of the money you made with the infusion and give you the option to trade your gold for the laurels that would be nice too. So if you bought the infusion a week or so ago and made a few silver, yeah I’d want the laurels back. If you bought the infusion kitten days (I can’t remember) after they came out and made hundreds of gold, I think seeing the number might help people to feel better about their investment and let go of the laurels. But because laurels are limited, it is still annoying to those who purchased them as a long term investment.

Yeah, I dunno. No feedback on the infusions worries me greatly. That tells me they are either considering it or planning on the head in the sand technique, which would not be good PR.

In any case, the gilded infusion I have will now be next to useless. Yeah, I used it to get ahead in gold drops, and it took me 20 days of my times doing the dailies to get it. So I could be rewarded for my hard work. I worked out the kitten for it.

It is very depressing to see other players flaunting their apathy for other people in this thread. In any case, I would gladly take a karma infusion over what I have, but spending the laurels on it after this will be another slap in the face. Hope something is done.

You’re still getting extra gold from every gold drop… And have been getting up til now. We don’t even know what the champ rewards are going to be.

Why are people complaining when nobody knows what it’s being changed to? Complain AFTER you know you’re worse off than now… You could be making more money.

Surbrus.6942:

ArchonWing.9480:

Nope. It was never meant to be used to exploit a dungeon in that manner, unlike magic find which is being removed completely from gear.

It isn’t an exploit, it functioned exactly as advertised. Now however the main reason for using the Gilded Infusion is being removed. You’re statement referencing “exploits” sounds more like sour grapes than anything.

Are they going to remove all the golddrops from mobs in the game?

kokiman.2364:

Are they going to remove all the golddrops from mobs in the game?

I doubt it, but honestly I doubt anyone bought a 20 laurel infusion so they could get that 1c more from that 5c drop they got that one time from that one enemy the killed. =P Everyone knows the only point of this infusion was to make dungeon runs more profitable. lol

Vayne.8563:

I think if they do give you a refund on those laurels, they should charge you the extra gold you made while you had it. Fair is fair.

Otherwise you’d have a bunch of free gold that you didn’t pay any laurels for.

As I pointed out earlier in the thread: They already said that they were working on some sort of trade for the MFers. By your standard they should just make all the MFers give back all the better loot they got using it.

The real problem is that MFers will still invest in the new account MF to continue to get bonuses and might get a free boost in the trade off as well as a new stat to replace MF on their gear, where the GFers don’t get anything.

If MFers got the “too bad” treatment as well, I would be okay with losing the infusion and second necklace I invested in.

Pennry.9215:

Vayne.8563:

I think if they do give you a refund on those laurels, they should charge you the extra gold you made while you had it. Fair is fair.

Otherwise you’d have a bunch of free gold that you didn’t pay any laurels for.

As I pointed out earlier in the thread: They already said that they were working on some sort of trade for the MFers. By your standard they should just make all the MFers give back all the better loot they got using it.

The real problem is that MFers will still invest in the new account MF to continue to get bonuses and might get a free boost in the trade off as well as a new stat to replace MF on their gear, where the GFers don’t get anything.

If MFers got the “too bad” treatment as well, I would be okay with losing the infusion and second necklace I invested in.

The difference is that magic find is being removed from the item structure completely, and only available as an account wide bonus. Gold find on the other hand is remaining (infusions and food) and still working on anything that drops coins.

I expect they may phase it out as well, and when that time comes, I am sure you will get compensated. Or they may never phase it out, in which case you get your extra 1 copper for every 5 copper dropped.

Rennoko.5731:

Pennry.9215:

Vayne.8563:

I think if they do give you a refund on those laurels, they should charge you the extra gold you made while you had it. Fair is fair.

Otherwise you’d have a bunch of free gold that you didn’t pay any laurels for.

As I pointed out earlier in the thread: They already said that they were working on some sort of trade for the MFers. By your standard they should just make all the MFers give back all the better loot they got using it.

The real problem is that MFers will still invest in the new account MF to continue to get bonuses and might get a free boost in the trade off as well as a new stat to replace MF on their gear, where the GFers don’t get anything.

If MFers got the “too bad” treatment as well, I would be okay with losing the infusion and second necklace I invested in.

The difference is that magic find is being removed from the item structure completely, and only available as an account wide bonus. Gold find on the other hand is remaining (infusions and food) and still working on anything that drops coins.

I expect they may phase it out as well, and when that time comes, I am sure you will get compensated. Or they may never phase it out, in which case you get your extra 1 copper for every 5 copper dropped.

Unfortunately coin drops are quite rare.

Rennoko.5731:

The difference is that magic find is being removed from the item structure completely, and only available as an account wide bonus. Gold find on the other hand is remaining (infusions and food) and still working on anything that drops coins.

I expect they may phase it out as well, and when that time comes, I am sure you will get compensated. Or they may never phase it out, in which case you get your extra 1 copper for every 5 copper dropped.

They’re transferring one to account wide, where it’ll still effect everywhere it can effect, and compensating. While they’re nerfing the other by removing where it effects 99.9% (all champions and legendaries), and not compensating.

They’re boosting MF to be account wide and nerfing GF to be that 0.1% of gold drops, yet MF get compensated. Last I check compensation was given for something lost, not gained.

Yea, I do feel like a refund is in order.

When making my purchasing decision, Champs dropped gold.

Post patch, Champs will NOT drop gold.

That’s huge….and 2 necklaces worth of time for me down the drain.

Vorch.2985:

Yea, I do feel like a refund is in order.

When making my purchasing decision, Champs dropped gold.

Post patch, Champs will NOT drop gold.

That’s huge….and 2 necklaces worth of time for me down the drain.

could be even more, do we know if the +5 agony resistance infusions can be slotted in utility infusion slots or no?

If not not only are the laurel costs for the gilded infusion a waste, but the 30 laurels to buy the neck as well.

Devildoc.6721:

Vorch.2985:

Yea, I do feel like a refund is in order.

When making my purchasing decision, Champs dropped gold.

Post patch, Champs will NOT drop gold.

That’s huge….and 2 necklaces worth of time for me down the drain.

could be even more, do we know if the +5 agony resistance infusions can be slotted in utility infusion slots or no?

If not not only are the laurel costs for the gilded infusion a waste, but the 30 laurels to buy the neck as well.

Yeah, you can put the +5 agony on any ascended item.

Vennie.8341:

Devildoc.6721:

Vorch.2985:

Yea, I do feel like a refund is in order.

When making my purchasing decision, Champs dropped gold.

Post patch, Champs will NOT drop gold.

That’s huge….and 2 necklaces worth of time for me down the drain.

could be even more, do we know if the +5 agony resistance infusions can be slotted in utility infusion slots or no?

If not not only are the laurel costs for the gilded infusion a waste, but the 30 laurels to buy the neck as well.

Yeah, you can put the +5 agony on any ascended item.

Well, that’s a relief, I still have 3 gilded infusions but… whatever, on the character I actually run fractals on I can do AR, the others I can do wvw infusions for stats.

Devildoc.6721:

Vorch.2985:

Yea, I do feel like a refund is in order.

When making my purchasing decision, Champs dropped gold.

Post patch, Champs will NOT drop gold.

That’s huge….and 2 necklaces worth of time for me down the drain.

could be even more, do we know if the +5 agony resistance infusions can be slotted in utility infusion slots or no?

If not not only are the laurel costs for the gilded infusion a waste, but the 30 laurels to buy the neck as well.

Those of us mentioning the necklace purchase are part of the desired refund have more than one necklace per character (well, at least I do). I have one necklace slotted with Karma Infusion for event/WvW farming, another slotted Gilded for dungeons, etc.

Go to the new farm. Be happy you got it.

How horrible for you guys.

I bought magic infusion and the full set of magic-find ascended gear; the ascended fractal backpiece, 2 infused rings, 2 trinkets, and a full set of Inquest that will all likely be replaced by a lame stat combination nobody asked for like Healing/crit damage/sprint duration.

But seriously you can only use gold find on all the mobs? that’s some kinda bull

Surbrus.6942:

It isn’t an exploit, it functioned exactly as advertised. Now however the main reason for using the Gilded Infusion is being removed. You’re statement referencing “exploits” sounds more like sour grapes than anything.

Why does this “it isn’t an exploit” argument stop with that? It still works exactly as advertised, so why does anyone need a refund? They did not remove coin drops from game. The infusion still functions. Nowhere on the infusion description does it say “maximizes dungeon coin drops” or “spam Cof with this infusion”. A refund implies the infusion does not work. If a refund is wanted on an item that still does work exactly as described, then any bonus gained during the course of its usage should also be retrospectively taken away as part of the refund.

CoF farmers had your fun, made your coin, spammed it enough that it got changed and noone can do it anymore, and are left with infusions that still work anywhere else. Refund of infusions would be ridiculous.
Nothing against those of you who did it, but it comes off as extreme greed to ask for a refund back for an item you used to your advantage that still functions today as it did when you first bought it.