Guild Wars 2

This is a phrase from the AMA summary made by Dulfy:
“We designed the rewards for raids around the acquisition of Legendary Armor and have no alternate plans for getting them.”
If that statement is true, I see a great injustice.
To be clear. I am not against excellence to be rewarded. I am not against performance to be rewarded. I am not against dedication to be rewarded.
They fail to understand that a legendary piece has two main components: The “prestige” offered by the legendary skin, and functionality, the ability to change stats which is a QOL feature. I don’t care about skins, I transmuted some of my legendary weapons because I didn’t like them, but I appreciate the versatility.
Now, playing fractals you can get a single legendary piece, the backpack, playing open world, you can acquire and equip one or two legendary weapons, the rest of six, SIX!, pieces of armor you can obtain only playing raids? Really? Your beloved hardcore content? What about sPvP and WvW players? They do not deserve your attention?
How about that: 2 armor pieces playing raids, 2 armor pieces playing sPvP, 2 armor pieces playing WvW? More honest decision.
Not the worst player here, I can handle almost any situation, but the raid got such a bad name so I find it sick to get closer.
In short, give the skins and titles to entitled ones, make sure everyone can access the functionality.
This is the true “Play as you want”.
I hope that was a misinterpretation. If not, I’m out for good.
In before “may I have you stuff?”. My stuff is soulbound. I put a lot of soul in it and i don’t trade my soul. But I can offer my gems buying plan.

If you want the reward do the content – simple as that.

But gold isn’t soulbound. Can I have those?

We know that the armor would be bound to raids before the first raid wing even came out, why is this a surprise?

Who cares about stat swap. 99.9% of players will put it on Berserker’s/Vipers and leave it there. Even if it’s something like a Warrior that wants to be able to play Burn warrior or PS warrior, you’d still have to replace the runes and you still would have to change runes each time. It’d be cheaper and easier to just get an ascended set for each stat type you want.

OtterPaws.2036:

We know that the armor would be bound to raids before the first raid wing even came out, why is this a surprise?

Get out of here with your sensible posting.

If making legendary armor is comparable to legendary weapons but restricted to the raid it would probably be quicker and easier to make regular ascended armor with all the stats you want to use.

Raids and instanced content are not fun for everyone, thanks for the options anet.

I am sure the parts may be salable.

Second option:

You can always change the stats of your armor. You can make multiple sets.
In fact I have multiple legendaries but guess what? I never change the stats because of the sigils. I just make ascended if I want a different stat that I will be switching to often

The QoL feature of legendary armor is nearly worthless without an ability to save runes. .

If legendary armor isn’t raid bound, many raiders will probably stop raiding. So Anet is putting the time to make this content and people dont’ do them.

But if legendary armor is raid bound. You’ll have many angry players. Some even might be out for good as the OP is saying.

Andraus.3874:

Second option:

You can always change the stats of your armor. You can make multiple sets.
In fact I have multiple legendaries but guess what? I never change the stats because of the sigils. I just make ascended if I want a different stat that I will be switching to often

The QoL feature of legendary armor is nearly worthless without an ability to save runes. .

Exactly, its pointless to even make legendary gear for the stat swapping because you can’t swap your sigils or runes to suit the build. If it were added, they would be actually legendary.

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

Andraus.3874:

Second option:

You can always change the stats of your armor. You can make multiple sets.
In fact I have multiple legendaries but guess what? I never change the stats because of the sigils. I just make ascended if I want a different stat that I will be switching to often

The QoL feature of legendary armor is nearly worthless without an ability to save runes. .

Exactly, its pointless to even make legendary gear for the stat swapping because you can’t swap your sigils or runes to suit the build. If it were added, they would be actually legendary.

if it’s useless, Anet could remove it. And believe me legendary owners will spam the forums with angry posts.

weather it’s useful or not is in the eye of the beholders.

You transmuted a legendary? You are nuts. That makes zero sense lol why wouldn’t you grab ascended.

Here’s my opinion. Legendary armor should not be gathered through sPvP. Why? Because armor plays no role in sPvP with the exception of transmog. It wouldn’t make sense to offer something as prestigious as legendary armor through WvW either. Why? It is literally the most mindless content unless you are commanding. That would be like throwing out legendary weapons for HoT meta event content.

I would not be against legendaries being partially gained through high level fractals (75+) but this is the way MMO’s go. If you want the best, you need to play the best. Raiding is really not that difficult in this game. Optimize your character, find a guild/group, clear content. Sorry buddy, looks like you’re out. You can only buy so much of your “soul” with real life money. Some things in this game need to be earned.

There needs to be rewards in this game for clearing high level content. You are essentially quitting due to transmog.

Avarice.2791:

You transmuted a legendary? You are nuts.

No, I’m not. I transmuted Quip back to (former) Chaos Gun Ilya/Lyssa because my human female mesmer refused to equip it. And I’m afraid of my mesmer.

Avarice.2791:

Here’s my opinion. Legendary armor should not be gathered through sPvP. Why? Because armor plays no role in sPvP with the exception of transmog.

You may not know that PvP gear is like work clothes. Maybe your opinion will not be pleasing the dedicated sPvP players, who, I’m sure, like shiny stuff too. But, because eSports, the legendary skin will show up sometime in the PvP Reward Track, maybe.

Avarice.2791:

It wouldn’t make sense to offer something as prestigious as legendary armor through WvW either. Why? It is literally the most mindless content unless you are commanding.

Thank you for trashing the WvW game mode and his community. You do not seem to have much knowledge about strategy, tactics, camaraderie, loyalty, self-sacrifice, wasting gold on upgrades, dedication, server pride and how it is to spend an entire night scouting Wildcreek Run and having fun. I think here you share the same opinion with some of Anet decision makers.

Avarice.2791:

You are essentially quitting due to transmog.

I’m not quitting yet. And I didn’t played WoW. I am genuinely concerned about the “Play as you want” statement.
I will illustrate the current status through a joke. Disclaimer: All characters appearing in this work are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental.
Person A to Person B.
A: Your’e worthless, no need to keep my word and I don’t care about your opinion.
B: I beg your pardon?
A: Your’e worthless, no need to keep my word and I don’t care about your opinion.
B: Are you sure?
A: Your’e worthless, no need to keep my word and I don’t care about your opinion.
B: ………………….is leaving.

Now I’m just asking: Are you sure?

OP I understand what you are saying but you have to admit you are very much In the minority. Very few people transmute their legendary weapons to something else, and acquire a legendary weapon just for the QoL features that come with it. A majority seeks legendaries not for this QoL feature (which is still very much undermined by the lack of sigil saving ability) but for the actual skin.

Unfortunately the QoL feature with legendary armor will be vastly undermined because of the rune issue. Rune effects are even more important to a build than sigil effects. And it would be much more cost effective to create multiple sets of ascended and transmute it to the legendary skin, rather than using the stat change feature on legendary armor and buying/switching runes out constantly. I’m trying to understand the logic behind throwing away gold constantly on runes to switch them out.

You’re argument is based on your strong desire for the QoL feature legendary armor brings but this rune issue is rather a strong argument against this QoL feature being viable. I don’t want to say this feature is useless. But outside changing your build, armor stats, and runes like once or twice a year is a waste of money. If you are going to be constantly changing these out like on a weekly basis, your best bet is to go with another set.

Andraus.3874:

…..rune issue….

Sorry, there is no such thing. You don’t need the change runes as long as you don’t switch the role. Like DPS to Condi. Besides Strength and Perplexity, the other runes are cheap or not so performant. I have already a spare ascended armor set with condi stats. But, you know, in wvw, you may face different encounters: you’re roaming, need burst, you may equip Assassin, you’re in the zerg frontline, you may need Soldier or whatever. You don’t have to change runes.
But do you know which is the main, the largest, the only reason why you need to change your stats?
It is the eternal mess created by the so called “balance”.

Mishoo.5918:

Andraus.3874:

…..rune issue….

Sorry, there is no such thing. You don’t need the change runes as long as you don’t switch the role. Like DPS to Condi. Besides Strength and Perplexity, the other runes are cheap or not so performant. I have already a spare ascended armor set with condi stats. But, you know, in wvw, you may face different encounters: you’re roaming, need burst, you may equip Assassin, you’re in the zerg frontline, you may need Soldier or whatever. You don’t have to change runes.
But do you know which is the main, the largest, the only reason why you need to change your stats?
It is the eternal mess created by the so called “balance”.

If you aren’t worried about optimal builds by changing runes out then why don’t you just use an exotic set. When you have berserker ascended and want to frontline in WvW, use an exotic set with the right runes and you’re going to be better off than in a legendary set with the wrong runes. When it comes down to it your argument is going to come down to bag space. Which is a silly thing to quit a game over.

Ok. Good. Let’s say this: I am tired, disillusioned and bored. I am realistic and understanding, I appreciate human effort. I do not ask for new content every week, nor new maps, no harder nor easier, no loot, no mounts, no capes, no bunny ears. I accept what we are given, as some wise saying of the forum, ie long term goals.
I need long term goals, playing as I want. I’m not asking for charity. Otherwise
What the hell am I doing here?
I don’t belong here.

Sorry … :-/

There are other MMOs. I haven’t found much that I like about them. But if you have the resources if I were you I’d try some of them out. Maybe you’ll find something you enjoy more.

I complain since anet told us that legendary armor is bound to raids only. It still seems 99% of players still don’t even know/understand this.
It’s the worst HoT decision anet made. Anet should just remove this totally failed s——- they call raids. The whole idea is wrong and totally missplaced in gw2! Anet should go back to their gw 2 release roots and let all little raiding kids stay in WoW or some of the other kitten —-- mmos.

Swagger.1459:

Raids and instanced content are not fun for everyone, thanks for the options anet.

Having unique rewards being pushed out of content because a subset of players complain isn’t fun for everyone either.

That said the option to participate in raids is always there for players who really want to get that new shiny toy. So technically no one is disenfranchised from getting it.

Legendary Armor has the same stats as Ascended but has the bonus of free stat changes.

There has to be a unique reward tied to doing raids to encourage repeated raiding and that’s pieces toward crafting the armor precursors.

I’m not trying to be offensive and this is a genuine question OP… Why do you play GW2??

I mean, WHY do you want Legendary armor? No one over the age of 16 gives a RATS what your character looks like so if you want legandary Armor or Weapons to look cool, there is absolutely no point.

The only REAL reason to get a legendary (or any achievment or goal in a game) is to COMPLETE the legendary. I am about to finish luminescent armor with my girlfriend, I have no intention of ever wearing it, I just like doing the collection.

Same with legendary (going to craft Sunrise I think), I want to craft it, I want to do the farming and the legendary journey. And yes I will use this skin but it’s getting it that interests me, not having it.

After that I will absolutely be going after legendary armor, I hope it’s bloody hard and takes me a while, because then when I get it, I’ll have a big ole smile on my face.

To me saying a goal in a game that has SO many different goals you can work towards, is too hard totally defeats the point of playing!

Wasabi Kitty.8247:

Who cares about stat swap. 99.9% of players will put it on Berserker’s/Vipers and leave it there. Even if it’s something like a Warrior that wants to be able to play Burn warrior or PS warrior, you’d still have to replace the runes and you still would have to change runes each time. It’d be cheaper and easier to just get an ascended set for each stat type you want.

And from what I’ve gathered of the raid mechanics, you will have to make multiple ascended sets to get through it. Meaning that you obtain the Legendary Armour by proving you don’t need it. Unique skins might have been a better reward, with legendary armour being linked to collections/quests somewhat like the new legendary weapons.

Behellagh.1468:

There has to be a unique reward tied to doing raids to encourage repeated raiding and that’s pieces toward crafting the armor precursors.

Shouldn’t the reward be… you know… the FUN of doing the raid?

I know, I know. It’s easier to say something like that than it is to design something everyone would find fun. Still, I worry that it’s designed backwards, rewards first and fun second (or third, or fifth, or whatever.)

Raid is altoholic’s paradise :v

Truly, I understand that GW2 is much different in certain aspects of the game and this is good, really good and I am really happy for it but there are few flaws like everywhere.
There are people that have lots of alts, they have time to play and to level up, equip those alts.
There are people that have one or two characters, they don’t have that much time to play or they just don’t enjoy playing with more characters due to immersion with just one (I do this).

An example:
When I had my fun time back at WoW, I could roll any class and be viable in EVERY SINGLE PART of ALL raids and all raid wings. I had a paladin and I played it for 3 years straight, no alts. I could fit any role, and it was on par with everyone else. It was just a matter of skill, equipement and a way of playing (druid, shaman, priest, paladin… there was a little difference between those classes in healing aspect but it was irrelevant, they all were viable).

Now! GW2 raids force you to have a wide variety of alternative, equipped (best with ascended) and mastered characters which is quite a stab for I guess… rather significant ammount of players.
I know that this is a special dish served by Anet, but it feels discouraging after you find out that due to certain reasons (PvP) your class is nerfed and you can’t do raids unless you spend time and gold to learn to play and equip a new character that is in the “beloved” META (gosh I really dislike this word).

Now if I wish to do raids with my guild, I have to level up a few characters to be flexible and I am certainly (due to IRL stuff) not going to get them leveled up, equipped and mastered anytime soon.

laokoko.7403:

If legendary armor isn’t raid bound, many raiders will probably stop raiding. So Anet is putting the time to make this content and people dont’ do them.

But if legendary armor is raid bound. You’ll have many angry players. Some even might be out for good as the OP is saying.

Then why raid at all, as the only reason to raid seems to be to get armor. The prestige is already ingame. you are 163, I’m 161.

If I read you correct.

Then again I am okay with my 6 , but nearly 10 characters in Ascneded equipment… Most of all I’m really wondering If you have 3 weight classes will you ppl need to do 3 full armors???

And they’ll all be inflexible due to runes as weapons are through sigils? Well GG. In the end this is only about a legendary skin and maybe adding or subracting a bit of toughness or vitality in power builds.

And ppl are really questioning here why do this only for the rewards, if it’s not FUN…

Cause if it’s only for the rewards ppl will leave after recieving their pre’s as they have no more reason to do raids.

If this is so Why are we having ppl spend so much time on this???

I -specifically- do not mean players, but devs.

Legendary armor is like ascended armor, it’s a meaningless carrot on a stick for people who would complain otherwise.

And dont forget you can buy thousands of gems and convert them to gold and pay for the raids runs to get legendary armour,very very expensive,but it is an option and a potential nice little earner for anet.

I am actually disappointed with this decision. Legendary Armor would have been perfectly acceptable being acquired outside of raids, as a game based around cosmetic looks the benefit of the Legendary Stats is a bit less important (but still important enough) compared to what the skin means to you as the player and how everyone perceives you.

It would have been fine to have a unique look of Legendary Armor from say…Crafting across all of Tyria versus the Legendary Armor gained in raids. And I know I have always advocated for its acquisition option outside of raids. As a person who likes to raid, but as a player who likes many aspects of GW2 this leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

TexZero.7910:

Swagger.1459:

Raids and instanced content are not fun for everyone, thanks for the options anet.

Having unique rewards being pushed out of content because a subset of players complain isn’t fun for everyone either.

That said the option to participate in raids is always there for players who really want to get that new shiny toy. So technically no one is disenfranchised from getting it.

Ascended and Legendary runes and sigils are going to make awesome rewards for wvw and eotm then.

TexZero.7910:

That said the option to participate in raids is always there for players who really want to get that new shiny toy. So technically no one is disenfranchised from getting it.

Tell that to the HORDES of PvE’ers that screamed bloody murder that they had to set foot into WvW to get map completion to make their legendary weapons.

I can make some non-sense thread like you OP, see :

Legendary backpack infinitum – Fractals bound. Please remove this injustice, I don’t like fractals, I’m too bad at it.

Legendary backpack Ascension – PvP bound. Please remove this injustice, I don’t like PvP and I’m too bad at it.

Legendary weapons – PvE bound. Please remove this injustice, I don’t like PvE.

Do you want more?

OtterPaws.2036:

We know that the armor would be bound to raids before the first raid wing even came out, why is this a surprise?

There was a belief that there might eventually be a separate set achievable without raiding.

Khyan.7039:

I can make some non-sense thread like you OP, see :

Legendary backpack infinitum – Fractals bound. Please remove this injustice, I don’t like fractals, I’m too bad at it.

Legendary backpack Ascension – PvP bound. Please remove this injustice, I don’t like PvP and I’m too bad at it.

Legendary weapons – PvE bound. Please remove this injustice, I don’t like PvE.

Do you want more?

Oh, if you want to suggest that not only legendary armor, but also legendary weapons and backpacks should be accessible using alternate means in every gamemode (PvE, Raid, sPvP, WvW), i’m all for it. There will be definitely more happy people around that way.

The legendary armor collection description says as a prerequisite train in tier yada yada legendary crafting and talk to Mr. So and So in LA to unlock. Ofcourse after training in tier yada yada of legendary crafting and talking to Mr. So and So, suprise nothing unlocked for base armor collection.

That should be the first clue that the armor collection isn’t as easily obtainable as it first seems.

So, one has to ask themselves: Where did I go wrong? Is armor, future content? Is my account bugged?

Upon research, beat Raid X as another prerequisite. Ask again, If I then have to beat raid X to unlock legendary armor collection (again not stated in prerequisite), what else do I have to do to after to begin this journey?

Armor should be a hard earned, time consuming prize. But it shouldn’t be hidden behind the guise that one simply walks into LA and begins crafting. List all prerequisites in the description so people will know firsthand before getting their hopes up.