Guild Wars 2

Hey All!
With new patch yesterday i finnaly got last 2 pieces for The Predator Achievement and got recipe to craft tier1 exotic experimental rifle….
Then i went int calculating expences for all materials needed to craft it…
U need totall 600 gold to make exotic weapon that is not even precursor yet…
To buy The Hunter precursor on tp u need like 560 gold total…
I am really dissapointed about it….

And probably i will buy precursor not craft some useless exotic rifle…

Tier 1 for Kraitkin almost costs you more than the precursor itself from the TP.
But oh well.

Some players wanted to feel the epic journey to craft precursors, and not simply buy it from TP. Well, you guys did get what you wish for. I enjoy the old system where the precursors are extremely rare drop. The excitement you get when you get that first precursor drop is amazing.

The Legendary precursor journey should remove the much RNG involved with the Mystic Forge. It should not devalue the precursor, so everything is fine with it. If you could do 3 simple tasks and pay 2 Gold the Legendary would be worth nothing, nobody would want one and every player who has put effort in getting one would be kittened off.

Shylock.4653:

The Legendary precursor journey should remove the much RNG involved with the Mystic Forge. It should not devalue the precursor, so everything is fine with it. If you could do 3 simple tasks and pay 2 Gold the Legendary would be worth nothing, nobody would want one and every player who has put effort in getting one would be kittened off.

yea, but thats not what the op is complaining about.
the op states that even the first step of the precursor collection costs more gold than the actual precursor (with instant buy)
dont even count in the time you need for the collection.
thats the problem.
the collections may be interesting for the high price precursors like the greatswords/sword/staff/dagger.
but the cheap ones are just ridiculously overprized

The reason why they are expensive and time consuming is because they GUARANTEE you get a precursor. You pay extra (in both time and gold) for this guarantee in order to avoid having to get the precursor using ordinary methods (Mystic forge/drops).

Still don’t understand why people are complaining about precursor crafting, obviously it has to be challenging/expensive in order to maintain (or not affect at all) the prices of tp precursors.

Doon.2364:

Some players wanted to feel the epic journey to craft precursors, and not simply buy it from TP. Well, you guys did get what you wish for. I enjoy the old system where the precursors are extremely rare drop. The excitement you get when you get that first precursor drop is amazing.

Only for some people that first drop never happen…. ever…. So instead of the excitement of that amaizing drop, it becomes oh look… another year and another thousands of hours spend without getting one. And buying of the tp… well… not exciting at all.

I like the journey actually… personally I spend time, rather than the gold… yes I need loads of wood and leather and it will take a long time for me… but I already waited 3 years for the chance to make one… I can put in the time. I did not really expect it to be too easy or fast to do.

well what i basically wanted to say:
-i like chance of precursor crafting
but combining all tiers together shouldnt cost 3 times more than precursor itself…
all journey together should be balanced according to price on tp….

I like underwater content, and the T1/T3 collections for the spear and harpoon gun were entertaining. It was slightly more expensive than the TP, but at such little cost, who’s counting anyway? And it came with APs that TP buyers will never get. :p

Frosty.5401:

The reason why they are expensive and time consuming is because they GUARANTEE you get a precursor. You pay extra (in both time and gold) for this guarantee in order to avoid having to get the precursor using ordinary methods (Mystic forge/drops).

Still don’t understand why people are complaining about precursor crafting, obviously it has to be challenging/expensive in order to maintain (or not affect at all) the prices of tp precursors.

you can just buy the precursor off the tp and have your “guaranteed” precursor.
no need 2 spend more money and time on a “legendary journey”

Frosty.5401:

The reason why they are expensive and time consuming is because they GUARANTEE you get a precursor. You pay extra (in both time and gold) for this guarantee in order to avoid having to get the precursor using ordinary methods (Mystic forge/drops).

Still don’t understand why people are complaining about precursor crafting, obviously it has to be challenging/expensive in order to maintain (or not affect at all) the prices of tp precursors.

Buying from TP is a GUARANTEE also, with less money and less time involved. Your point is null.

It’s more expensive now because all of the ascended mats went up in price. If you were to craft them yourself or just wait until the prices go back down, it should be cheaper.

I’ve done dusk collection and can say a few things as a result:

1. I loved a lot of the collection parts, they actually pointed me at events and stuff I’ve never seen before in Tyria. So that was actually a small journey and it was fun. If that wasn’t a part of the precursor crafting – I wouldn’t bother doing it actually.

2. Some parts of the collection are hard to get and might take time (not talking about mats here), but most of them can be done pretty quickly. I would say ~4-5 hours for all tiers not including waiting for world boss spawn times, at least for dusk and a few others I checked the requirements for.

3. While doing it I got a lot of parts for other collections randomly since I’ve got them unlocked to progress slowly over time. So while doing one collection you are actually progressing into others.

4. Mats are the downside at the moment only if you buy them off TP. I bought mine off TP because I’m saving the ones I’ve crafted for the new legendaries and also wanted to see the difference – it cost me 1.3k gold, dusk was 1.2k gold at the time. Not a big difference since didn’t use buy orders which would give me ~10% discount and total price of 1.15~1.2k gold which is already cheaper the the TP pre price. I just didn’t want to wait.

5. I’ve also calculated the price if you are going to do it by crafting mats – it would be around 0.8~0.85k gold which is a significant discount from even 1.15~1.2k gold. Generally you save up around 300-400 gold for doing collection there. Is it good? Yes, it is. For just four or five hours of new awesome experience you are getting by doing all those small tasks.

So to summ up:
- Collection tasks are awesome with some small exceptions (some bugged stuff which is getting fixed though or already got a fix), so I really recommend doing those
- Collections do save you gold if you don’t buy mats off TP, but craft them – yes, that takes time but this is exactly one of the reasons why the prices are higher on the TP

Frosty.5401:

Still don’t understand why people are complaining about precursor crafting, obviously it has to be challenging/expensive in order to maintain (or not affect at all) the prices of tp precursors.

What makes the price of precursors so kittening sacred that Anet can’t touch them?

Precursor crafting should take time and effort, but it should not take gold or anything that can be sold on the TP for gold (and when it comes down to it, grinding mats isn’t really any different from grinding gold, and it’s even less fun). The ideal would have been a dichomy: craft your precursor cheaply over a long period of time vs pay a lot more gold to get it instantly, with the forge and random drops as wildcards.

If all you care about is the cost analysis, buy it.

But when you’re doing that cost analysis, at least use the costs for assembling the ascended mats once per day yourself instead of adding up the price of the most OVERVALUED items in the game bought with buy-now orders.

The patch came out a month ago. Meaning not a lot people have gotten into precursor crafting, and also that the ascended mats youre looking at are really inflated in price. Once more people start crafting them (and buying lower priced pre’s to sell them higher) the prices of buying on the AH and the cost of making one will start to move closer together. Just wait or buy it now if youre that impatient.

Besides how else would it work? Would yout wan the cost of the crafting recipe to change daily based on the cost of materials? Because yea, that would be just a terrible, terrible idea.

Wow, have you people NEVER thought of just CRAFTING it as opposed to buying all the materials? You could even just buy HALF the materials, craft the other half, and you are now paying less. The cost of the precursor is either time or money or a combination of both.

This is how they said for a long time it was going to work. Stop complaining, and just get out there and craft. If you are going to harp on “but I gotta farm materials and grind them then!”

It takes a grand total of about 30 minutes to farm out enough materials for Deldrimor Steel, and Globs of Spirit Residue. 30 minutes, once a day. Spend 1 month doing that and your done. Yes, it is time gated. Welcome to freaking legendary crafting. Get back to me on the cost and time necessary for crafting them when you actually start the legendary.

How would it be possible to have the crafting cost always significantly below the tp cost?

Lets say that the recipes were somehow adjusted so that crafting was cheaper than buying, based on current prices.
Anyone who actually wanted the pre would obviously craft it and you have effectively infinite supply at the tp price. Meanwhile those who get one as a drop or from the forge would have to sell below craft cost. Therefore, even if the craft vs the current tp costs were somehow magically balanced today, there would still be supply at prices below craft cost. This in turn would drive the tp price down and you are right back where you started.

The most difficult obstacle to making a legendary weapon right now is finding any group to run the dungeons for the 500 currency to buy the required gift The rest is just a time and gold sink if you haven’t been saving up materials.

I think the cost of the old precursor have dropped becuse of the new system so it would make senses for there prices to even out. If any thing for a time the new legendary precursor will be on the high side but will fall over time. I mean its a “new” thing that every one trying to be the first why would it be cheep now?

This is how real life encomiums work why would they be different in a game we are still humans and still buy / sell things about the same way.

Raithwall.8201:

Shylock.4653:

The Legendary precursor journey should remove the much RNG involved with the Mystic Forge. It should not devalue the precursor, so everything is fine with it. If you could do 3 simple tasks and pay 2 Gold the Legendary would be worth nothing, nobody would want one and every player who has put effort in getting one would be kittened off.

yea, but thats not what the op is complaining about.
the op states that even the first step of the precursor collection costs more gold than the actual precursor (with instant buy)
dont even count in the time you need for the collection.
thats the problem.
the collections may be interesting for the high price precursors like the greatswords/sword/staff/dagger.
but the cheap ones are just ridiculously overprized

The prices in the TP are made by the Players as a result of their demand. The prices to create such a precursor are defined by the droprate of the Mystic Forge. Only few players have done research in these field and even fewer have published their data. The best info I could find is that it you need 500 – 1,000 tries meaning 2,000 – 4,000 rare weapons in average to create a precursor.

Because buying rare weapons in such masses is very time consuming most people craft them.

Crafting cost around

Krait Greatsword 42s
Krait Riffle 44s

at the moment. So to create a Greatsword you have to throw weapons worth 840g – 1, 680g in the Mystic Forge. For a rifle it is even more (880g – 1,760g). Of course you get a few exotic weapons back which you could sell and lower your costs a little bit. But as you see at the moment the TP prices of precursors only rarely reflect the costs to create them.

In these context the prices for the “The Legendary precursor journey” are absolutely fair and the prices of some precursor in the TP are ridiculously cheap.

The precursor crafting is about the journey, not the destination. Yes, I could buy and have bought precursors off the trading post. The experience cheapened the experience of making a legendary. I didn’t own that experience.

There have always been two types of players who play MMOs. Or rather two poles of players. Those who play for immersion and those who focus on mechanics. Most of us are somewhere in between, but many of us lean to one pole or another. And these poles are mutually exclusive. If you’re focused on numbers and mechanics you’re looking for the most efficient way to do something. Where as an immersion player cares more about what fits their character’s style. A greatsword might be a better weapon but my character is definitely an axe man…well plant.

The point is if you’re a mechanics focused player, buy it from the TP and don’t craft it. There’s no reason to. But as a immersion focused player, I’m happy to be able to craft it, and making the journey cost more takes nothing away from it for me.

Wiella.8567:

4. Mats are the downside at the moment only if you buy them off TP. I bought mine off TP because I’m saving the ones I’ve crafted for the new legendaries and also wanted to see the difference – it cost me 1.3k gold, dusk was 1.2k gold at the time. Not a big difference since didn’t use buy orders which would give me ~10% discount and total price of 1.15~1.2k gold which is already cheaper the the TP pre price. I just didn’t want to wait.

5. I’ve also calculated the price if you are going to do it by crafting mats – it would be around 0.8~0.85k gold which is a significant discount from even 1.15~1.2k gold. Generally you save up around 300-400 gold for doing collection there. Is it good? Yes, it is. For just four or five hours of new awesome experience you are getting by doing all those small tasks.

So to summ up:
- Collection tasks are awesome with some small exceptions (some bugged stuff which is getting fixed though or already got a fix), so I really recommend doing those
- Collections do save you gold if you don’t buy mats off TP, but craft them – yes, that takes time but this is exactly one of the reasons why the prices are higher on the TP

Just fyi, here are the prices and material lists for crafting dusk:

Craft ascended mats yourself, mats bought with buy order: 680g
Craft ascended mats yourself , mats bought directly: 755g
Buy all mats, also ascended mats, directly: 1168g

As you mentioned, there is a huge spread between buying deldrimor ingots directly or crafting it yourself.

Some other notes:
Anet actually did consider the average value of the different precursors before hot in their crafting recipes. Venom only costs around 30g to craft.

thehipone made a good remark why crafting your own precursor will mostly never be significantly cheaper than buying it off the tp.

I don’t understand why arenanet chose to maintain the monstrous price level of precursors. It doesn’t do the “economy” any good and only serves to promote making a few people staggeringly rich based on getting lucky drops.

Personally I think The Hunter’s material costs for the first tier arent as intended. It takes 60 tier 7 mats total to make it, while other 2 handed precursors take 30-35 total at the same step. I realy hope this is a developer oversight or something.

After the launch of HoT, precursors in general went down in price.

The day before HoT launched, it was going for 600g for the buy price, 700g for the sell price. Now, the buy price is 480g, and the sell price is just over 560g. It may have been less expensive when they announced the precursor crafting, but now the price has dropped so it may not be.
Source: https://www.gw2tp.com/item/29175-the-hunter

Rares have gone down, as well. I used to get 40s a piece easy for a rare, and 1g for an exotic. Now, I’m lucky if I get half that. I usually just end up salvaging them for ectos, and banking those to put towards my ascended gear.

Wanze.8410:

Wiella.8567:

4. Mats are the downside at the moment only if you buy them off TP. I bought mine off TP because I’m saving the ones I’ve crafted for the new legendaries and also wanted to see the difference – it cost me 1.3k gold, dusk was 1.2k gold at the time. Not a big difference since didn’t use buy orders which would give me ~10% discount and total price of 1.15~1.2k gold which is already cheaper the the TP pre price. I just didn’t want to wait.

5. I’ve also calculated the price if you are going to do it by crafting mats – it would be around 0.8~0.85k gold which is a significant discount from even 1.15~1.2k gold. Generally you save up around 300-400 gold for doing collection there. Is it good? Yes, it is. For just four or five hours of new awesome experience you are getting by doing all those small tasks.

So to summ up:
- Collection tasks are awesome with some small exceptions (some bugged stuff which is getting fixed though or already got a fix), so I really recommend doing those
- Collections do save you gold if you don’t buy mats off TP, but craft them – yes, that takes time but this is exactly one of the reasons why the prices are higher on the TP

Just fyi, here are the prices and material lists for crafting dusk:

Craft ascended mats yourself, mats bought with buy order: 680g
Craft ascended mats yourself , mats bought directly: 755g
Buy all mats, also ascended mats, directly: 1168g

As you mentioned, there is a huge spread between buying deldrimor ingots directly or crafting it yourself.

Some other notes:
Anet actually did consider the average value of the different precursors before hot in their crafting recipes. Venom only costs around 30g to craft.

thehipone made a good remark why crafting your own precursor will mostly never be significantly cheaper than buying it off the tp.

out of topic can I just ask what program / website you’re using in your pictures?

chronometria.3708:

I don’t understand why arenanet chose to maintain the monstrous price level of precursors. It doesn’t do the “economy” any good and only serves to promote making a few people staggeringly rich based on getting lucky drops.

They didn’t do anything to maintain the price level. They designed it to maintain the scarcity.

Once you finish your precursor, what do you do next?

You make the Legendary.

What do you need to make a Legendary?

Lots of T6 materials.

What else uses lots of T6 materials?

All end-game items.

What happens if everyone suddenly got a precursor and immediately bought all of the T6 materials (there is only enough Powerful Blood to make 148 Legedary weapons on the TP right now)?

The massive shortage would result in the “huge price” of precursors being distributed across ALL game content making EVERYTHING more expensive by a large degree.

The question then becomes, it is better for a few things that are sought for cosmetic/achievement purposes to be expensive, or for everything in the game to be much more expensive so that those few items can be cheaper?

That’s a fairly easy question to answer…

Grim Jr.8946:

Wanze.8410:

Wiella.8567:

4. Mats are the downside at the moment only if you buy them off TP. I bought mine off TP because I’m saving the ones I’ve crafted for the new legendaries and also wanted to see the difference – it cost me 1.3k gold, dusk was 1.2k gold at the time. Not a big difference since didn’t use buy orders which would give me ~10% discount and total price of 1.15~1.2k gold which is already cheaper the the TP pre price. I just didn’t want to wait.

5. I’ve also calculated the price if you are going to do it by crafting mats – it would be around 0.8~0.85k gold which is a significant discount from even 1.15~1.2k gold. Generally you save up around 300-400 gold for doing collection there. Is it good? Yes, it is. For just four or five hours of new awesome experience you are getting by doing all those small tasks.

So to summ up:
- Collection tasks are awesome with some small exceptions (some bugged stuff which is getting fixed though or already got a fix), so I really recommend doing those
- Collections do save you gold if you don’t buy mats off TP, but craft them – yes, that takes time but this is exactly one of the reasons why the prices are higher on the TP

Just fyi, here are the prices and material lists for crafting dusk:

Craft ascended mats yourself, mats bought with buy order: 680g
Craft ascended mats yourself , mats bought directly: 755g
Buy all mats, also ascended mats, directly: 1168g

As you mentioned, there is a huge spread between buying deldrimor ingots directly or crafting it yourself.

Some other notes:
Anet actually did consider the average value of the different precursors before hot in their crafting recipes. Venom only costs around 30g to craft.

thehipone made a good remark why crafting your own precursor will mostly never be significantly cheaper than buying it off the tp.

out of topic can I just ask what program / website you’re using in your pictures?

https://www.gw2bltc.com

I just left it there with the point I still cant pass through tier III with “content currently disabled. please try again later…..” hahahahahahahaha like they say ….your time and money….

Shylock.4653:

Grim Jr.8946:

Wanze.8410:

Wiella.8567:

4. Mats are the downside at the moment only if you buy them off TP. I bought mine off TP because I’m saving the ones I’ve crafted for the new legendaries and also wanted to see the difference – it cost me 1.3k gold, dusk was 1.2k gold at the time. Not a big difference since didn’t use buy orders which would give me ~10% discount and total price of 1.15~1.2k gold which is already cheaper the the TP pre price. I just didn’t want to wait.

5. I’ve also calculated the price if you are going to do it by crafting mats – it would be around 0.8~0.85k gold which is a significant discount from even 1.15~1.2k gold. Generally you save up around 300-400 gold for doing collection there. Is it good? Yes, it is. For just four or five hours of new awesome experience you are getting by doing all those small tasks.

So to summ up:
- Collection tasks are awesome with some small exceptions (some bugged stuff which is getting fixed though or already got a fix), so I really recommend doing those
- Collections do save you gold if you don’t buy mats off TP, but craft them – yes, that takes time but this is exactly one of the reasons why the prices are higher on the TP

Just fyi, here are the prices and material lists for crafting dusk:

Craft ascended mats yourself, mats bought with buy order: 680g
Craft ascended mats yourself , mats bought directly: 755g
Buy all mats, also ascended mats, directly: 1168g

As you mentioned, there is a huge spread between buying deldrimor ingots directly or crafting it yourself.

Some other notes:
Anet actually did consider the average value of the different precursors before hot in their crafting recipes. Venom only costs around 30g to craft.

thehipone made a good remark why crafting your own precursor will mostly never be significantly cheaper than buying it off the tp.

out of topic can I just ask what program / website you’re using in your pictures?

https://www.gw2bltc.com

Thats right.
Also, if you get a (free) account there and give the website API permissions to read info about your gw2 account, you can actually synchronise the shopping list for any crafted and most forged items. That means first the website calculates all base ingedients you need, like in the screenshot here. Then it checks the inventory of all your characters, your account bank, your wallet and your mat storage, to see which mats you already have and it will list the ones you still need.

Quite neat, when crafting complicated stuff like precursors, legendaries, nightfury and so on.
Sned me a pm, if you have any more questions about that, dont want to go too much off topic here.

gmmaster.3296:

Hey All!
With new patch yesterday i finnaly got last 2 pieces for The Predator Achievement and got recipe to craft tier1 exotic experimental rifle….
Then i went int calculating expences for all materials needed to craft it…
U need totall 600 gold to make exotic weapon that is not even precursor yet…
To buy The Hunter precursor on tp u need like 560 gold total…
I am really dissapointed about it….

And probably i will buy precursor not craft some useless exotic rifle…

It’s up to you. The point, however, is that some people don’t want to save up 600 gold and some do. Some people want to go on a journey for their legendary; some just want to build it fast.

The old way: you could just spend on whatever you need. The new way: you have the option of gathering at your own pace. And incidentally, the only reason it’s so expensive right now is that everyone is trying to do the same thing. Those who are taking their time are going to end up spending a lot less.

tl;dr it’s not a joke for those who are more interested in the journey than reaching the final destination

Frosty.5401:

The reason why they are expensive and time consuming is because they GUARANTEE you get a precursor. You pay extra (in both time and gold) for this guarantee in order to avoid having to get the precursor using ordinary methods (Mystic forge/drops).

Still don’t understand why people are complaining about precursor crafting, obviously it has to be challenging/expensive in order to maintain (or not affect at all) the prices of tp precursors.

You’re GARUNTEED to get Precursor from TP too if your price is right.
Stop bringing up RNG because when the RNG is shared across the whole economy of palyer-base, there’s no longer RNG involved in it.

And that “right price of TP” is currently way cheaper than most Precursor crafting cost atm.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

gmmaster.3296:

Hey All!
With new patch yesterday i finnaly got last 2 pieces for The Predator Achievement and got recipe to craft tier1 exotic experimental rifle….
Then i went int calculating expences for all materials needed to craft it…
U need totall 600 gold to make exotic weapon that is not even precursor yet…
To buy The Hunter precursor on tp u need like 560 gold total…
I am really dissapointed about it….

And probably i will buy precursor not craft some useless exotic rifle…

It’s up to you. The point, however, is that some people don’t want to save up 600 gold and some do. Some people want to go on a journey for their legendary; some just want to build it fast.

The old way: you could just spend on whatever you need. The new way: you have the option of gathering at your own pace. And incidentally, the only reason it’s so expensive right now is that everyone is trying to do the same thing. Those who are taking their time are going to end up spending a lot less.

tl;dr it’s not a joke for those who are more interested in the journey than reaching the final destination

I already did the math.

You can gather like 70% of ores required for Dawn (around 70 worth of Deldrimor Steel Ingot) all by yourself, and SELL THEM ALL ON TP. Then you can get Dawn on TP by “gathering all the materials yourself”, but just 70% of the effort. (In fact, it’s like 20% of effort actually because you still need to do alot of tedious stuffs even after you obtain 100 Deldrimor Steel Ingots.)

Cost ensures I’ll never complete one of the good ones.

Figured I could still have fun doing the first tier of each at least, but 5G cost plus (in particular) Fractal objectives = no go.

Managed to get Carcharias at least (for what that’s worth…)

Vayne.8563:

The precursor crafting is about the journey, not the destination. Yes, I could buy and have bought precursors off the trading post. The experience cheapened the experience of making a legendary. I didn’t own that experience.

There have always been two types of players who play MMOs. Or rather two poles of players. Those who play for immersion and those who focus on mechanics. Most of us are somewhere in between, but many of us lean to one pole or another. And these poles are mutually exclusive. If you’re focused on numbers and mechanics you’re looking for the most efficient way to do something. Where as an immersion player cares more about what fits their character’s style. A greatsword might be a better weapon but my character is definitely an axe man…well plant.

The point is if you’re a mechanics focused player, buy it from the TP and don’t craft it. There’s no reason to. But as a immersion focused player, I’m happy to be able to craft it, and making the journey cost more takes nothing away from it for me.

I apologize in advance for how rude this is going to sound.

What you’ve just said is absolute nonsense. It’s a complete BS dichotomy that wouldn’t hold up for a second outside the magical land of theory. I do plenty of “journeying” in MMOs, and have done in GW2. That doesn’t stop me from thinking the entire legendary system is a convoluted mess that only resembles a journey if you consider a journey to be “actively ignore the legendary system until the pieces fall into your lap.”

If you don’t ignore the system, it’s a convoluted process of numbers (yes, numbers, you can’t wave them away and pretend they don’t matter), RNG, and exceedingly complex time investment so that you can make a single sparkly item.

A single. Sparkly item. In a video game.

And if that just happens to be the kind of thing that gets your rocks off. If that’s what you call a “journey,” then fine. More power to you. But don’t sit there on your crystal tower and talk down to people who are willing to acknowledge the numbers sitting in front of them. I expect you’ll give me some BS line about how you’re not talking down and you’re just explaining how it works.

Just don’t. The tone of your post is clear: If you don’t like the system, then take your lumps and deal with it in the way that fits your special little box.

I’ve had about enough of peoples’ haughty behavior toward other players. If you disagree, just say it, for the love of Mordremoth. Drop the gold paint and say the words. I’ll take a blatant insult over a sneaky one any day.

Labjax.2465:

Vayne.8563:

The precursor crafting is about the journey, not the destination. Yes, I could buy and have bought precursors off the trading post. The experience cheapened the experience of making a legendary. I didn’t own that experience.

There have always been two types of players who play MMOs. Or rather two poles of players. Those who play for immersion and those who focus on mechanics. Most of us are somewhere in between, but many of us lean to one pole or another. And these poles are mutually exclusive. If you’re focused on numbers and mechanics you’re looking for the most efficient way to do something. Where as an immersion player cares more about what fits their character’s style. A greatsword might be a better weapon but my character is definitely an axe man…well plant.

The point is if you’re a mechanics focused player, buy it from the TP and don’t craft it. There’s no reason to. But as a immersion focused player, I’m happy to be able to craft it, and making the journey cost more takes nothing away from it for me.

I apologize in advance for how rude this is going to sound.

What you’ve just said is absolute nonsense. It’s a complete BS dichotomy that wouldn’t hold up for a second outside the magical land of theory. I do plenty of “journeying” in MMOs, and have done in GW2. That doesn’t stop me from thinking the entire legendary system is a convoluted mess that only resembles a journey if you consider a journey to be “actively ignore the legendary system until the pieces fall into your lap.”

If you don’t ignore the system, it’s a convoluted process of numbers (yes, numbers, you can’t wave them away and pretend they don’t matter), RNG, and exceedingly complex time investment so that you can make a single sparkly item.

A single. Sparkly item. In a video game.

And if that just happens to be the kind of thing that gets your rocks off. If that’s what you call a “journey,” then fine. More power to you. But don’t sit there on your crystal tower and talk down to people who are willing to acknowledge the numbers sitting in front of them. I expect you’ll give me some BS line about how you’re not talking down and you’re just explaining how it works.

Just don’t. The tone of your post is clear: If you don’t like the system, then take your lumps and deal with it in the way that fits your special little box.

I’ve had about enough of peoples’ haughty behavior toward other players. If you disagree, just say it, for the love of Mordremoth. Drop the gold paint and say the words. I’ll take a blatant insult over a sneaky one any day.

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I want to take this and just post it absolutely everywhere. Plaster it on the backdrop of the forums, and smear it all over reddit.

which is why i’m not bothered at all with the old legendary precursor crafting, at least for now. the only Legendary that interest me now is H.O.P.E.

Labjax.2465:

Vayne.8563:

The precursor crafting is about the journey, not the destination. Yes, I could buy and have bought precursors off the trading post. The experience cheapened the experience of making a legendary. I didn’t own that experience.

There have always been two types of players who play MMOs. Or rather two poles of players. Those who play for immersion and those who focus on mechanics. Most of us are somewhere in between, but many of us lean to one pole or another. And these poles are mutually exclusive. If you’re focused on numbers and mechanics you’re looking for the most efficient way to do something. Where as an immersion player cares more about what fits their character’s style. A greatsword might be a better weapon but my character is definitely an axe man…well plant.

The point is if you’re a mechanics focused player, buy it from the TP and don’t craft it. There’s no reason to. But as a immersion focused player, I’m happy to be able to craft it, and making the journey cost more takes nothing away from it for me.

I apologize in advance for how rude this is going to sound.

What you’ve just said is absolute nonsense. It’s a complete BS dichotomy that wouldn’t hold up for a second outside the magical land of theory. I do plenty of “journeying” in MMOs, and have done in GW2. That doesn’t stop me from thinking the entire legendary system is a convoluted mess that only resembles a journey if you consider a journey to be “actively ignore the legendary system until the pieces fall into your lap.”

If you don’t ignore the system, it’s a convoluted process of numbers (yes, numbers, you can’t wave them away and pretend they don’t matter), RNG, and exceedingly complex time investment so that you can make a single sparkly item.

A single. Sparkly item. In a video game.

And if that just happens to be the kind of thing that gets your rocks off. If that’s what you call a “journey,” then fine. More power to you. But don’t sit there on your crystal tower and talk down to people who are willing to acknowledge the numbers sitting in front of them. I expect you’ll give me some BS line about how you’re not talking down and you’re just explaining how it works.

Just don’t. The tone of your post is clear: If you don’t like the system, then take your lumps and deal with it in the way that fits your special little box.

I’ve had about enough of peoples’ haughty behavior toward other players. If you disagree, just say it, for the love of Mordremoth. Drop the gold paint and say the words. I’ll take a blatant insult over a sneaky one any day.

You’re so wrong, it’s not even funny. I’ve talked with hundreds of people over the years, and just because you don’t understand something doesn’t make it wrong. I feel this way, my wife feels this way, other people who’ve posted in other threads feel this way. You don’t get it so it’s wrong.

You’re right, it does sound rude. And you’re still wrong. This for many people is their truth. Sorry you don’t get it, but it doesn’t stop it from being true.

Saying something is wrong doesn’t make it wrong.

Excludee.3850:

Saying something is wrong doesn’t make it wrong.

That’s true but stating my opinion is wrong is ABSOULTELY wrong. I stated an opinion. An opinion which many share. How can that opinion be wrong? It’s wrong to call an opinion wrong.

Vayne.8563:

Excludee.3850:

Saying something is wrong doesn’t make it wrong.

That’s true but stating my opinion is wrong is ABSOULTELY wrong. I stated an opinion. An opinion which many share. How can that opinion be wrong? It’s wrong to call an opinion wrong.

It’s my opinion that blue is a superior color to red.
It’s my opinion that tank thief is effective

How can my opinions be wrong? What you’re saying is absolute nonsense. Normally I’m not much a fan of people who just say, ‘oh your argument is bad’. But seriously, I’m not sure you’re reading what you’re saying. In fact:

It’s my opinion that you’re not reading what you’re saying. And you can’t say I’m wrong. Because it’s my opinion.

Wut?

Hyper Cutter.9376:

Frosty.5401:

Still don’t understand why people are complaining about precursor crafting, obviously it has to be challenging/expensive in order to maintain (or not affect at all) the prices of tp precursors.

What makes the price of precursors so kittening sacred that Anet can’t touch them?

Precursor crafting should take time and effort, but it should not take gold or anything that can be sold on the TP for gold (and when it comes down to it, grinding mats isn’t really any different from grinding gold, and it’s even less fun). The ideal would have been a dichomy: craft your precursor cheaply over a long period of time vs pay a lot more gold to get it instantly, with the forge and random drops as wildcards.

Precisely this.

right now precursors have basically 4 methods of acquisition:
-Random drop – Huge time investment (on average, & if deliberately farming), Huge RNG factor, No monetary cost
-Mystic forge – Indeterminate time investment, large monetary investment(on average), large RNG factor
-Trading Post – No time investment, Large monetary investment, No RNG
-The new crafting system – Medium-large time investment, Largest monetary investment, medium-large RNG

Whatever category you’re looking to optimise, crafting is your worst option.

Excludee.3850:

Vayne.8563:

Excludee.3850:

Saying something is wrong doesn’t make it wrong.

That’s true but stating my opinion is wrong is ABSOULTELY wrong. I stated an opinion. An opinion which many share. How can that opinion be wrong? It’s wrong to call an opinion wrong.

It’s my opinion that blue is a superior color to red.
It’s my opinion that tank thief is effective

How can my opinions be wrong? What you’re saying is absolute nonsense. Normally I’m not much a fan of people who just say, ‘oh your argument is bad’. But seriously, I’m not sure you’re reading what you’re saying. In fact:

It’s my opinion that you’re not reading what you’re saying. And you can’t say I’m wrong. Because it’s my opinion.

Wut?

It’s my opinion that the sky is red.
Opinions can be empirically wrong.

That said… i don’t agree with Vayne

People don’t seem to understand the concept. The Precursor crafting is not a cheap way to get your precursor, it’s a non-rng way to get it.

SemmlerTh.2685:

People don’t seem to understand the concept. The Precursor crafting is not a cheap way to get your precursor, it’s a non-rng way to get it.

So is the trading post.
It’s a cheap*er* way, and what’smore, requires no time investment.

Narrrz.7532:

SemmlerTh.2685:

People don’t seem to understand the concept. The Precursor crafting is not a cheap way to get your precursor, it’s a non-rng way to get it.

So is the trading post.
It’s a cheap*er* way, and what’smore, requires no time investment.

That’s the thing. People want it to be quick and almost effortless, which is why they basically have to buy most of their stuff from the TP. It was the same thing with mawdrey. People complained, that it took about 200g to craft it (back when foxfire clusters where expensive af). I had to level all crafting professions, and make all the stuff for mawdrey – and I still made 180g PROFIT, because I didn’t buy anything from the tp, at all. Not even for my crafting leveling. It took me about 2 months.

The precursor subject will always be a reason for people to cry. Before HoT people wanted a safe way to progressively work towards your precursor – a non-rng way to get it; something else then saving all your rares and throwing them into the toilet. Now they have, it they complain that it is expensive. Guess what they asked for, wasn’t they actually wanted all along?

They want legendaries to be something that you can acquire relatively quickly. That will never happen, and that’s ok

Excludee.3850:

Vayne.8563:

Excludee.3850:

Saying something is wrong doesn’t make it wrong.

That’s true but stating my opinion is wrong is ABSOULTELY wrong. I stated an opinion. An opinion which many share. How can that opinion be wrong? It’s wrong to call an opinion wrong.

It’s my opinion that blue is a superior color to red.
It’s my opinion that tank thief is effective

How can my opinions be wrong?

The first is entirely subjective, the second has a high degree of objectivity, ie. it could be demonstrated to be a false assertion (‘opinion’) in which case the ‘opinion’ is wrong.

The fact someone thinks something doesn’t make it true: someone’s OPINION could be the world is flat but that wouldn’t make it so, in general English their opinion would be wrong!

SemmlerTh.2685:

Narrrz.7532:

SemmlerTh.2685:

People don’t seem to understand the concept. The Precursor crafting is not a cheap way to get your precursor, it’s a non-rng way to get it.

So is the trading post.
It’s a cheap*er* way, and what’smore, requires no time investment.

That’s the thing. People want it to be quick and almost effortless, which is why they basically have to buy most of their stuff from the TP. It was the same thing with mawdrey. People complained, that it took about 200g to craft it (back when foxfire clusters where expensive af). I had to level all crafting professions, and make all the stuff for mawdrey – and I still made 180g PROFIT, because I didn’t buy anything from the tp, at all. Not even for my crafting leveling. It took me about 2 months.

The precursor subject will always be a reason for people to cry. Before HoT people wanted a safe way to progressively work towards your precursor – a non-rng way to get it; something else then saving all your rares and throwing them into the toilet. Now they have, it they complain that it is expensive. Guess what they actually asked for, wasn’t they wanted all along?

They want legendaries to be something that you can acquire relatively quickly. That will never happen, and that’s ok

I’m entirely in agreement. Legendaries shouldn’t be cheap. The precursor crafting journey should be a serious time investment, and not something to be undertaken lightly, or something that should require a great deal of luck.

What it also should not be is expensive, particularly not more expensive than any other method. That’s just idiocy no matter how you stack it.

Would you rather your precursor aquisition be:
-Slow and arduous, but entirely free
-Quick and painless, but expensive
-Highly intricate, extremely expensive and time consuming, with a healthy dose of random chance sprinkled on for good measure

Frosty.5401:

Still don’t understand why people are complaining about precursor crafting, obviously it has to be challenging/expensive in order to maintain (or not affect at all) the prices of tp precursors.

u know u can’t sell those precursor right? so … why the hell would it have an impact on the tp price ?

it ’s not like ppl are complaining to get the precursor for 20 gold … but 600-800 gold is d*mn to high ! (400 should be enough)