Guild leader of The Nephilim of Elysium.
Son of Elonia.
Son of Elonia.
Legendary weapons
As someone who has spent a great deal of time chasing after legendaries and looking forward to acquiring more in HoT this is incredibly disappointing. Just hoping in the not too distant future you can get a team working more effectively on legendary weapons again. Because for me and ALOT of my guild mates the new legendaries were a big deal.
As someone who has spent a great deal of time chasing after legendaries and looking forward to acquiring more in HoT this is incredibly disappointing. Just hoping in the not too distant future you can get a team working more effectively on legendary weapons again. Because for me and ALOT of my guild mates the new legendaries were a big deal.
Unfortunately thats never going to happen “Suspend development INDEFINITELY” AKA no new legendaries ever, can I also just point out how ridiculous this “quote” is? Yeah were going to create a world where there’s always something to do by completely cancelling one of the core reasons people keep playing the game! Logic…
Truly a terrible analogy. A more true analogy would be like ordering a big mac and getting a double cheeseburger, actually missing components. Then when asking for the stuff you’re missing McDonalds goes, oh… Well we’ll give you the middle piece of bread but in order to do that we have to move staff from the sauce section so no sauce.
If I get half the steak that is on the ad, I’m missing components. My burger isn’t nearly as finished as it’s supposed to be, but it’s bought and voilà. ANet, however, is standing in front of the crowd, trying their best to avoid another big flop. They’re sacrificing 12 skins in order to occupy more people (I assume more people play the story than start the lendaries journey).
Also, individuals don’t have to file lawsuits. This is what class action suits are for.
My bad, not enough knowledge in these differences in English.
it’s equivalent to not getting a steak in your burger at all. And yes, you can sue for that. But really there’s no need to sue. You just report them to the trade standards and they get blocked one country at a time.
6 people who managed to make 1 legendary in 6 months are not speeding up your story production. Its a complete fallacy to claim it is going to occupy more people. Its also contrary to the fact that I bought and paid for both parts and don’t accept that one needs to be cancelled for the other when there are 70 devs working on expac 2 instead of finishing this one. Which once again has been ignored.
Highlighted: never was it said it was cancelled for the other. They are just delayed.
Delayed indefinitely. That means they have no definite plans to work on them in the future.
Do they not teach you about perspective in Belgium?
They taught me that in grade school art class in Wisconsin.
Perspective isn’t the only problem in the “ad vs reality” point: if a front view shows a 1-inch steak, and you get a front view 0.5-inch steak, it’s not a matter of perspective, but false advertisement.
Also, if perspective is the answer to the problem, here I’ll say that this whole “legendaries-gate” is just a matter of words: with this announcement, they just want to say they will remove one part of the statement.
We won’t get “legendaries at regular interval after HoT’s release”, we’ll simply get “legendaries after HoT’s release”.
Guild leader of The Nephilim of Elysium.
Son of Elonia.
Son of Elonia.
6 people who managed to make 1 legendary in 6 months are not speeding up your story production. Its a complete fallacy to claim it is going to occupy more people. Its also contrary to the fact that I bought and paid for both parts and don’t accept that one needs to be cancelled for the other when there are 70 devs working on expac 2 instead of finishing this one. Which once again has been ignored.
Highlighted: never was it said it was cancelled for the other. They are just delayed.
I totally understand your point of view. But, for example, if they released weapons you don’t want now, and you have to wait another 6 months to maybe have the weapons you wanted, and then have to wait until the end of the year for LS3 to come because it was delayed for reasons, would you be happy? Or would you prefer to have LS3 delivered in 3 months, to keep you occupied for a bit while they are working on new legendaries, namely having the team to focus on one aspect at a time?
Let me be clear: when I first read about the “pause” in the legendaries, I was kittened: I’m saving materials for the sword or greatsword, since I don’t want Twilight, Sunrise, or Bolt. But while thinking about it, I’m pretty I would prefer to wait for their release while doing something else, because I would not like to spend the next 6 months just mining and chopping wood around Tyria. HoT has flaws, they might be corrected with the new quarterly update, they might be fixed later, but I assume there are more important things to focus on. I’m ready to sacrifice something if it means the game will be far better afterwards.
Ceasing development on something while calling it suspended indefinitely may not tecnically be the same as saying cancelled but it might as well be.
And they have actually cancelled what was advertised, which was not just the items but also the delivery pace. That has ended.
It is not really a positive thing to be willing to sacrifice something that makes the game better for someone else in order to make it better for you (and perhaps worse for them) instead. Its not you making the sacrifice in that situation.
6 people who managed to make 1 legendary in 6 months are not speeding up your story production. Its a complete fallacy to claim it is going to occupy more people. Its also contrary to the fact that I bought and paid for both parts and don’t accept that one needs to be cancelled for the other when there are 70 devs working on expac 2 instead of finishing this one. Which once again has been ignored.
Highlighted: never was it said it was cancelled for the other. They are just delayed.
I totally understand your point of view. But, for example, if they released weapons you don’t want now, and you have to wait another 6 months to maybe have the weapons you wanted, and then have to wait until the end of the year for LS3 to come because it was delayed for reasons, would you be happy? Or would you prefer to have LS3 delivered in 3 months, to keep you occupied for a bit while they are working on new legendaries, namely having the team to focus on one aspect at a time?
Let me be clear: when I first read about the “pause” in the legendaries, I was kittened: I’m saving materials for the sword or greatsword, since I don’t want Twilight, Sunrise, or Bolt. But while thinking about it, I’m pretty I would prefer to wait for their release while doing something else, because I would not like to spend the next 6 months just mining and chopping wood around Tyria. HoT has flaws, they might be corrected with the new quarterly update, they might be fixed later, but I assume there are more important things to focus on. I’m ready to sacrifice something if it means the game will be far better afterwards.
When I pay for something then I expect to get that something. I don’t expect to not get it, but instead get vague promises of more stuff later and “eventually” they’ll get me what I paid for.
When people buy a product from you, you deliver it. Don’t deliver part and then make promises that someday you’ll get the rest to them.
Be careful what you ask for
ANet may give it to you.
ANet may give it to you.
6 people who managed to make 1 legendary in 6 months are not speeding up your story production. Its a complete fallacy to claim it is going to occupy more people. Its also contrary to the fact that I bought and paid for both parts and don’t accept that one needs to be cancelled for the other when there are 70 devs working on expac 2 instead of finishing this one. Which once again has been ignored.
Highlighted: never was it said it was cancelled for the other. They are just delayed.
I totally understand your point of view. But, for example, if they released weapons you don’t want now, and you have to wait another 6 months to maybe have the weapons you wanted, and then have to wait until the end of the year for LS3 to come because it was delayed for reasons, would you be happy? Or would you prefer to have LS3 delivered in 3 months, to keep you occupied for a bit while they are working on new legendaries, namely having the team to focus on one aspect at a time?
Let me be clear: when I first read about the “pause” in the legendaries, I was kittened: I’m saving materials for the sword or greatsword, since I don’t want Twilight, Sunrise, or Bolt. But while thinking about it, I’m pretty I would prefer to wait for their release while doing something else, because I would not like to spend the next 6 months just mining and chopping wood around Tyria. HoT has flaws, they might be corrected with the new quarterly update, they might be fixed later, but I assume there are more important things to focus on. I’m ready to sacrifice something if it means the game will be far better afterwards.
The legendaries are more content so I’d prefer to have them to be honest. If LS3 is anything like LS2 its a couple of hours of content every 2 weeks with random 8 week breaks.
edit: forgot to say that I don’t really see cancelling either as acceptable.
I don’t think the anger would be as intense if Mike O’Brien would have also announced that the next expac had been suspended indefinitely. Then it would be seen that they were doing everything they could to work on HoT.
So many apologists with their rose tinted glasses that love to make legendary chasers out as bad guys for wanting what we paid for. I’ve yet to see a compelling argument for why the expac2 team is so large when they haven’t finished the one that they’ve already taken money for but people are still so quick to bash on us and defend ANet.
We shouldn’t have to choose between two things that we already paid for. if anything (to my knowledge) LS3 wasn’t even included in the HoT purchase (while legendaries absolutely were. I’m sick of seeing people argue that they weren’t) but you don’t see us (the legendary hunters, the real victims here since we’re the only ones that care if we get what we kitten pay for) asking ANet to suspend LS3 content to give us the rest of our expansion. no. we’re asking them to slow down on their next expac so they’ll still have a player base when it hit shelves.. but we’re the bad guys?
Since burgers are hot right now.. ANets recent choices could be portrayed as them selling a burger and taking another order right after. which is fine.
what isn’t fine is when they move your cheese staff member over to the bun department because they moved the last bun department into making tacos for the new menu idea that they just really hope works out. now you’ve got a piece of meat, some sauce, buns, but no cheese.
Lord talk about rivers of tears.
Let’s talk about what’s the best thing for the game, we’re only a small fraction of people have legendaries but everybody plays content. What do you think is more important for the masses as a whole?
I am not saying they should have canceled legendary development, but if it’s coming down to a matter of more content or more legendaries, I think it’s pretty clear that more content is more important for the player base as a whole.
Ceasing development on something while calling it suspended indefinitely may not tecnically be the same as saying cancelled but it might as well be.
And they have actually cancelled what was advertised, which was not just the items but also the delivery pace. That has ended.
It is not really a positive thing to be willing to sacrifice something that makes the game better for someone else in order to make it better for you (and perhaps worse for them) instead. Its not you making the sacrifice in that situation.
You are right, it might mean one or the other, but people are reading Mo’s statement as “we’re stopping legendaries, we got your gold, thank you please come again” without waiting just a bit to know where this is heading.
Whatever ANet does will be problematic for one person or another, everything is a matter of sacrifice because you know you can’t please everyone. They’re not stupid, they’ve worked on healthy games, their decision wasn’t taken hastily, they know what’s coming up and they’re reorganizing their schedule. Life isn’t a straight line, kitten happens. If they’re working on fixing some problems the way they want it, fine. I’m just not gonna drive myself crazy just because a company of professionals changes their plans and that these plans don’t suit mine as a player. They know what they’re doing, and it’s not up to me to know what’s better.
Guild leader of The Nephilim of Elysium.
Son of Elonia.
Son of Elonia.
Do they not teach you about perspective in Belgium?
They taught me that in grade school art class in Wisconsin.
Perspective isn’t the only problem in the “ad vs reality” point: if a front view shows a 1-inch steak, and you get a front view 0.5-inch steak, it’s not a matter of perspective, but false advertisement.
Also, if perspective is the answer to the problem, here I’ll say that this whole “legendaries-gate” is just a matter of words: with this announcement, they just want to say they will remove one part of the statement.
We won’t get “legendaries at regular interval after HoT’s release”, we’ll simply get “legendaries after HoT’s release”.
You aren’t factoring in the distance in perspective.
McDonald’s ad pictures are taken to just barely fill in the frame, and from below the sandwich, making it appear bigger. That doesn’t mean that what they use in the ads(and full disclosure, they do use standardized product stand-ins, and its legal to because it’s basically impossible to photograph actual food and make it look salable) is smaller than what you get in real life. You just never look at it from the perspective that the picture is taken.
Lord talk about rivers of tears.
Let’s talk about what’s the best thing for the game, we’re only a small fraction of people have legendaries but everybody plays content. What do you think is more important for the masses as a whole?
I am not saying they should have canceled legendary development, but if it’s coming down to a matter of more content or more legendaries, I think it’s pretty clear that more content is more important for the player base as a whole.
And once again somebody repeats the same argument without acknowledging the 70 people working on unpaid for content while defending anet for cancelling paid for content.
Lord talk about rivers of tears.
Let’s talk about what’s the best thing for the game, we’re only a small fraction of people have legendaries but everybody plays content. What do you think is more important for the masses as a whole?
I am not saying they should have canceled legendary development, but if it’s coming down to a matter of more content or more legendaries, I think it’s pretty clear that more content is more important for the player base as a whole.
and those 6 people will speed up the other 120 people working on HoT by a mile right? So much better than moving those 70 people dedicated to the next expansion, or you know, HIRING SOME MORE.
Lord talk about rivers of tears.
Let’s talk about what’s the best thing for the game, we’re only a small fraction of people have legendaries but everybody plays content. What do you think is more important for the masses as a whole?
I am not saying they should have canceled legendary development, but if it’s coming down to a matter of more content or more legendaries, I think it’s pretty clear that more content is more important for the player base as a whole.
Legendaries are content.
With all those people talking about lawsuits because of “false advertising”, I suppose you never go to any fast food… if so, I assume you spend a lot of time in court. /s /kappa
Joking aside, YES it is terrible how their ambitions were too high and we ended up with missing some parts of the game. But it’s for the greater good, I’m pretty sure of that.
Legendaries were said to come after HoT… They never said each expansion would get a new set of legendaries, so even if we get some weapons after xpac2, it’s still “after HoT”.
I completely understand how people are annoyed with this idea, but GW2 is changing, they want to make the game better, and just like everything else it requires sacrifices. If seeing the game going back on the right tracks means delaying some stuff, I’m ok with it. Once everything is back in order, they’ll have plenty of time to work on missing things.
I don’t get the fast food joke.
Anyway no… they most definitely said HoT would come with legendaries.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxLkfXwxLTs#t=34m37sAnd as has been pointed out a million times and repeatedly ignored by the people defending anet, if things need to be fixed they should be shifting resources away from the 70+ people they have working on the next expansion before they started cancelling features from this one. There is no defense against it, I don’t care what anybody has to say about it.
It is rather interesting that people are defending this, considering if you take Mike at his word, he even says that you shouldn’t trust what he says or promises.
I will work to make you happy, and I’ll do it by making you happy with what we ship, not with what we promise to ship.
Mo
At first glance that sounds reassuring but when you think on it for a couple of seconds there are 2 ways to interpret it. First is positive, and that everything they ship from this point forward we will like and enjoy.
Second, is that he’s saying when they promise something or say anything, just don’t listen, that way you’ll be happy with what they shipped out even if it is missing a bit of content.
Given Anet’s track record so far I’m inclined to believe the second. He’s telling us to judge them by their actions and not their words, and so far their actions since HoT have not inspired the confidence ANET desperately needs right now. There have been some Gems ( haha pun) such as the shatterer rework, and yes, raids apparently are pretty cool. But they’ve also Timegated so much content, balance is still not where it should be, and the Megaserver system is not set up to help support HoT, in fact I’d say it’s part of what is killing it!
A knight in shining armor is a man who never had his metal truly tested.
Playable content is more important to me than legendary skins/collections.
But, with that said, I would think a team of 6 working for over 6 months could come up with more than one skin/collection. It’s true that I don’t know the process, but it certainly doesn’t seem like it would take that long. Actually, legendary weapons mean nothing to me — but things that are touted in advertising when asking customers to prepurchase should be delivered. “Small groups at regular intervals” gave a helluva lot of wiggle room.
I doubt that I could be convinced to pre-purchase a second time. And yet the living story is far more likely to cause me to purchase the next expansion than legendary weapons are. All-in-all I think it’s a good choice if only one of the two things could happen; I just don’t think the choice should have ever needed to be made.
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Lord talk about rivers of tears.
Let’s talk about what’s the best thing for the game, we’re only a small fraction of people have legendaries but everybody plays content. What do you think is more important for the masses as a whole?
I am not saying they should have canceled legendary development, but if it’s coming down to a matter of more content or more legendaries, I think it’s pretty clear that more content is more important for the player base as a whole.
Here it is again. someone looking at their personal preference and ideals but ignoring the big picture. making legend chasers out to be the bad guys..
We shouldn’t have to make the choice. none of you apologists get that. we already paid for both and they moved almost half the team to making another expac before they finished the one they sold us.
Lord talk about rivers of tears.
Let’s talk about what’s the best thing for the game, we’re only a small fraction of people have legendaries but everybody plays content. What do you think is more important for the masses as a whole?
I am not saying they should have canceled legendary development, but if it’s coming down to a matter of more content or more legendaries, I think it’s pretty clear that more content is more important for the player base as a whole.
Then Anet should offer partial refunds to anyone for whom the new legendaries had been a selling point of the expansion. A repurable business doesn’t take everyone’s money and then tell one group of purchasers that a decision has been made to not deliver what they paid for in order to give more to everyone else.
Ceasing development on something while calling it suspended indefinitely may not tecnically be the same as saying cancelled but it might as well be.
And they have actually cancelled what was advertised, which was not just the items but also the delivery pace. That has ended.
It is not really a positive thing to be willing to sacrifice something that makes the game better for someone else in order to make it better for you (and perhaps worse for them) instead. Its not you making the sacrifice in that situation.
You are right, it might mean one or the other, but people are reading Mo’s statement as “we’re stopping legendaries, we got your gold, thank you please come again” without waiting just a bit to know where this is heading.
Whatever ANet does will be problematic for one person or another, everything is a matter of sacrifice because you know you can’t please everyone. They’re not stupid, they’ve worked on healthy games, their decision wasn’t taken hastily, they know what’s coming up and they’re reorganizing their schedule. Life isn’t a straight line, kitten happens. If they’re working on fixing some problems the way they want it, fine. I’m just not gonna drive myself crazy just because a company of professionals changes their plans and that these plans don’t suit mine as a player. They know what they’re doing, and it’s not up to me to know what’s better.
They may not be possible to please all of the people all of the time, but that is not the point of contention here. People want what they paid for. “Now that we have your money we have decided to stop development of the advertised feature for which you paid and are suspending it indefinitely,” is not merely a failure to please everyone, its a conscious decision to not deliver a paid for product.
Here it is again. someone looking at their personal preference and ideals but ignoring the big picture. making legend chasers out to be the bad guys..
Uhrm… “personal preference and ideals” is all anybody is basing their position on. If you prefer they focus on LS, that’s a personal preference. If you prefer they focus on legendaries, that is ALSO a personal preference.
OT: I am somewhat disappointed, I must say. That said, it’s not the end of the world, and I rather doubt many of the people saying they bought this expansion FOR the legendaries actually did so. If you care about the game enough to chase such high-prestige items, I find it quite unlikely that you wouldn’t pick up the expansion.
Still, unfortunate decision.
Lord talk about rivers of tears.
Let’s talk about what’s the best thing for the game, we’re only a small fraction of people have legendaries but everybody plays content. What do you think is more important for the masses as a whole?
I am not saying they should have canceled legendary development, but if it’s coming down to a matter of more content or more legendaries, I think it’s pretty clear that more content is more important for the player base as a whole.
Let’s put it in a different context.
Let’s say you’re a consumer and you bought a package from a company. Part of that package requires they make something for you. However one day, months after you paid for the package, they tell you that they moved the people who were making your product off to another part of the business to work on something completely different and they can’t tell you when they’re going to get back to your purchase. However they’re sure you’ll like the new, completely unrelated thing that they’re making.
Now, as a consumer who bought and paid for a product and was expecting delivery would you be happy with a company who did this?
Be careful what you ask for
ANet may give it to you.
ANet may give it to you.
Here it is again. someone looking at their personal preference and ideals but ignoring the big picture. making legend chasers out to be the bad guys..
Uhrm… “personal preference and ideals” is all anybody is basing their position on. If you prefer they focus on LS, that’s a personal preference. If you prefer they focus on legendaries, that is ALSO a personal preference.
OT: I am somewhat disappointed, I must say. That said, it’s not the end of the world, and I rather doubt many of the people saying they bought this expansion FOR the legendaries actually did so. If you care about the game enough to chase such high-prestige items, I find it quite unlikely that you wouldn’t pick up the expansion.
Still, unfortunate decision.
But this is exactly what I’m talking about.
It isn’t personal preference. its a clear line between “right” and “wrong” the issue here isn’t legends or LS3 the issue is that they took our money and now they’re not giving us what we paid for, or making us choose between the two. only because they took the initiative to produce a second expansion before they finished the one they sold.
But again. no one is looking at the big picture. and the people who do get shot down by the people who don’t.
*Edit. and please don’t say off topic. you’re perfectly on topic. the problem is that no one really understands the topic. the topic may aswell be north korea at this point because no one wants to look straight at it and figure out its problems.
Here it is again. someone looking at their personal preference and ideals but ignoring the big picture. making legend chasers out to be the bad guys..
Uhrm… “personal preference and ideals” is all anybody is basing their position on. If you prefer they focus on LS, that’s a personal preference. If you prefer they focus on legendaries, that is ALSO a personal preference.
OT: I am somewhat disappointed, I must say. That said, it’s not the end of the world, and I rather doubt many of the people saying they bought this expansion FOR the legendaries actually did so. If you care about the game enough to chase such high-prestige items, I find it quite unlikely that you wouldn’t pick up the expansion.
Still, unfortunate decision.
But this is exactly what I’m talking about.
It isn’t personal preference. its a clear line between “right” and “wrong” the issue here isn’t legends or LS3 the issue is that they took our money and now they’re not giving us what we paid for, or making us choose between the two. only because they took the initiative to produce a second expansion before they finished the one they sold.
But again. no one is looking at the big picture. and the people who do get shot down by the people who don’t.
*Edit. and please don’t say off topic. you’re perfectly on topic. the problem is that no one really understands the topic. the topic may aswell be north korea at this point because no one wants to look straight at it and figure out its problems.
I think he meant that its a personal preference to do the ethical thing rather than the unethical.
Ahhhh…. the amount of people getting upset over this is amusing to me.
Worrying is like a rocking chair: You go back and forth but never get anywhere.
Lord talk about rivers of tears.
Let’s talk about what’s the best thing for the game, we’re only a small fraction of people have legendaries but everybody plays content. What do you think is more important for the masses as a whole?
I am not saying they should have canceled legendary development, but if it’s coming down to a matter of more content or more legendaries, I think it’s pretty clear that more content is more important for the player base as a whole.
And once again somebody repeats the same argument without acknowledging the 70 people working on unpaid for content while defending anet for cancelling paid for content.
I haven’t for one moment forgotten about it, but sometimes you have to make hard decisions for the health of the game
On the one hand we have a small percentage of people who really wants those currently unreleased legendaries. We have a much larger group of people who really want more content and are screaming that there isn’t enough currently that can be played. Which do you think is more important for the health of the game and the community? New legendaries benefits a much smaller percentage of the population than playable content
Furthermore as for the unpaid expansion you’re referring to, it will be paid for by the people who decide to buy it and will hopefully alleviate the disgruntled who thought hard Farms was too small. And besides, I seriously doubt more than a tiny fraction of people are harmed by thus compared to the much larger percentage that will be helped.
People have been screaming for more playable content… And you want them to remove staff from one of the teams working on precisely that.
Ahhhh…. the amount of people getting upset over this is amusing to me.
I too get amused when consumers get upset when they’re robbed by companies.
Here it is again. someone looking at their personal preference and ideals but ignoring the big picture. making legend chasers out to be the bad guys..
Uhrm… “personal preference and ideals” is all anybody is basing their position on. If you prefer they focus on LS, that’s a personal preference. If you prefer they focus on legendaries, that is ALSO a personal preference.
OT: I am somewhat disappointed, I must say. That said, it’s not the end of the world, and I rather doubt many of the people saying they bought this expansion FOR the legendaries actually did so. If you care about the game enough to chase such high-prestige items, I find it quite unlikely that you wouldn’t pick up the expansion.
Still, unfortunate decision.
But this is exactly what I’m talking about.
It isn’t personal preference. its a clear line between “right” and “wrong” the issue here isn’t legends or LS3 the issue is that they took our money and now they’re not giving us what we paid for, or making us choose between the two. only because they took the initiative to produce a second expansion before they finished the one they sold.
But again. no one is looking at the big picture. and the people who do get shot down by the people who don’t.
*Edit. and please don’t say off topic. you’re perfectly on topic. the problem is that no one really understands the topic. the topic may aswell be north korea at this point because no one wants to look straight at it and figure out its problems.
I think he meant that its a personal preference to do the ethical thing rather than the unethical.
Possibly? I’ll admit I hadn’t thought of that, but if he did it certainly didn’t fit his comment.
Doesn’t change anything though because if that’s the case the problem becomes “why are so many people cheering for ANet to actively make the unethical decisions”
Lord talk about rivers of tears.
Let’s talk about what’s the best thing for the game, we’re only a small fraction of people have legendaries but everybody plays content. What do you think is more important for the masses as a whole?
I am not saying they should have canceled legendary development, but if it’s coming down to a matter of more content or more legendaries, I think it’s pretty clear that more content is more important for the player base as a whole.
and those 6 people will speed up the other 120 people working on HoT by a mile right? So much better than moving those 70 people dedicated to the next expansion, or you know, HIRING SOME MORE.
Are you saying it’s a smart idea to slow down the development of the next expansion?
Lord talk about rivers of tears.
Let’s talk about what’s the best thing for the game, we’re only a small fraction of people have legendaries but everybody plays content. What do you think is more important for the masses as a whole?
I am not saying they should have canceled legendary development, but if it’s coming down to a matter of more content or more legendaries, I think it’s pretty clear that more content is more important for the player base as a whole.
And once again somebody repeats the same argument without acknowledging the 70 people working on unpaid for content while defending anet for cancelling paid for content.
I haven’t for one moment forgotten about it, but sometimes you have to make hard decisions for the health of the game
On the one hand we have a small percentage of people who really wants those currently unreleased legendaries. We have a much larger group of people who really want more content and are screaming that there isn’t enough currently that can be played. Which do you think is more important for the health of the game and the community? New legendaries benefits a much smaller percentage of the population than playable content
Furthermore as for the unpaid expansion you’re referring to, it will be paid for by the people who decide to buy it and will hopefully alleviate the disgruntled who thought hard Farms was too small. And besides, I seriously doubt more than a tiny fraction of people are harmed by thus compared to the much larger percentage that will be helped.
People have been screaming for more playable content… And you want them to remove staff from one of the teams working on precisely that.
Um, those 70 people aren’t working on the LS, they are working on the next expansion. Something without a release date or any information attached to it, something I haven’t paid for yet. So yes, I’d very much prefer they finish what I paid for instead of working on the next product and cancelling what I paid for. Legendaries are a lot of content and I personally don’t care if only 3 people make them, because I paid for it and I deserve what I paid for.
I’ll have to agree with the others here. HoT was advertised to contain 16 new legendary weapons, 2 legendary back pieces and a set of legendary armor. The weapons were supposed to arrive at regular intervals.
Half a year later you delivered almost nothing and tell me you are suspending the development after you took my money? You cant even spare six developers to develop what I paid you for? If these weapons dont come out before the next expansions, I will not buy the next expansion.
Well done.
Agreed. I rarely ever come on here but when I heard that something we paid for is cancelled (of course without giving money back) I had to put in my word. When you sell a product that says it includes “this and that” then I expect when I buy it that I will get “this and that”. GW2 is starting to feel more like a kickstarter game where the developer can’t follow-up on promises after taking the money.
They manage to come out with dozens of skins on the gem store but they can’t manage something we already paid for? But of course. It’s cause they already have our money. Why aren’t these employees fired? The legendary team will take “years to come” to finish a single set? And you prioritized short bow? Guess Colin left for a reason. Abandon ship. Wonder what happened with things like the mace where most of the work was done but will never come out. Waste of time and resources.
Now we have a few random legendary weapons instead of the promised set, 1 of 2 legendary back pieces (with the pvp one being timed to season 1), and legendary armor (stuck only in raids and also unreleased). The description for HoT actually still has your old promise written on it (they’ll change it when they realize they need to hide that promise). GW2 spent time creating and advertising a new system for creating legendary precursors. Now that is wasted time.
Fractals, WvW, PvP, Open World, etc are all behind on promises. STOP promising what you can’t do. Raid team seems like the only ones who work which is aimed at a minority faction of the game. Great…
I miss GW1 version of ANet. At least they had employees who worked for their money and released true expansions. Now we get 60% (if generous) of a large paid patch that costs just as much as a full game. Funny he tries to use the manifesto now when almost every part of that original promise is gone. Now we have 6 people who are moved to another team and I am SURE we won’t see any change. They already proved to be slow. You pretend to have all these ideas, but the list of what you have accomplished is way smaller than all the broken promises and cancelled ideas.
Then Anet should offer partial refunds to anyone for whom the new legendaries had been a selling point of the expansion. A repurable business doesn’t take everyone’s money and then tell one group of purchasers that a decision has been made to not deliver what they paid for in order to give more to everyone else.
How would they go about this if the expansion was bought for someone else? I received HoT as a gift from a friend who knows how much I enjoy playing GW2. They paid and I got the code, so who would receive the partial refund? (if there is one) My friend? Me? Neither of us? Both?
Not a decision I’d want to make.
I’m not anti-social, I’m selectively social. There’s a difference.
Then Anet should offer partial refunds to anyone for whom the new legendaries had been a selling point of the expansion. A repurable business doesn’t take everyone’s money and then tell one group of purchasers that a decision has been made to not deliver what they paid for in order to give more to everyone else.
How would they go about this if the expansion was bought for someone else? I received HoT as a gift from a friend who knows how much I enjoy playing GW2. They paid and I got the code, so who would receive the partial refund? (if there is one) My friend? Me? Neither of us? Both?
Not a decision I’d want to make.
Lets be honest here. ANet would give the refund to a stranger who would use it to give you another refund you might or might not want.
Lord talk about rivers of tears.
Let’s talk about what’s the best thing for the game, we’re only a small fraction of people have legendaries but everybody plays content. What do you think is more important for the masses as a whole?
I am not saying they should have canceled legendary development, but if it’s coming down to a matter of more content or more legendaries, I think it’s pretty clear that more content is more important for the player base as a whole.
Here it is again. someone looking at their personal preference and ideals but ignoring the big picture. making legend chasers out to be the bad guys..
We shouldn’t have to make the choice. none of you apologists get that. we already paid for both and they moved almost half the team to making another expac before they finished the one they sold us.
Honestly I think if the team consisted of only six people they probably should have left it there, but my point is I think people are making a much bigger deal about this that it should be.
if they have a deep concern over lack of playable content and they feel they need every developer possible to push it I suspect that is probably a healthier decision before the health of the game
I suppose the point is telling them they need to take developers off of future development of the expansion etcetera would be a far worse decision. legendary Chasers are not villains, but they are also in the minority of the population and expecting the rest of the players of the game to take the hit for the small percentage I don’t think is terribly reasonable
Although it is reasonable I supposed to expect anet deliver on their promises.
Let me rephrase my entire protest. I think they should have left the 6 where they were. But if it really became a matter of the health of the game and it’s a question of more Legendaries vs more playable content, I think which is better for the health of the game and the player base as a whole is pretty obvious
Lord talk about rivers of tears.
Let’s talk about what’s the best thing for the game, we’re only a small fraction of people have legendaries but everybody plays content. What do you think is more important for the masses as a whole?
I am not saying they should have canceled legendary development, but if it’s coming down to a matter of more content or more legendaries, I think it’s pretty clear that more content is more important for the player base as a whole.
Then Anet should offer partial refunds to anyone for whom the new legendaries had been a selling point of the expansion. A repurable business doesn’t take everyone’s money and then tell one group of purchasers that a decision has been made to not deliver what they paid for in order to give more to everyone else.
Well I think this would be reasonable, I’m not sure how it could be fairly implemented
Part of me is disheartened by this.
I understand the decision. Designing legendaries is obviously a time consuming task, and it is a lot of effort to spend when only a small population of the player-base will get 1 or 2. I’ve played since Early Release back in August 2012 and I still do not have a legendary, and I probably wont make the effort to get one any time soon, if ever. And I know this is the case for many of my friends, with just a few of them having acquired one.
I’m not so much salty about there not being any new legendary weapons, but its more so the principle of it that has me concerned. It is unfortunate that ANet will not be able to deliver on the amount of new legendary weapons that they implied would be releasing throughout the year. It can be a slippery slope from here on out. What is next to be terminated? Legendary backpeices? Legendary Armor? Fractals? WvWvW? Hopefully that wont be the case.
Hopefully, as these teams are shifted toward new objectives, we will finally see a resurgence in content being released (other than Raids and Outfits in the cash-shop) with the return of living story. It has been 5 months since the release of HoT, without any real major story development or living world content, so hopefully its just around the corner.
Lord talk about rivers of tears.
Let’s talk about what’s the best thing for the game, we’re only a small fraction of people have legendaries but everybody plays content. What do you think is more important for the masses as a whole?
I am not saying they should have canceled legendary development, but if it’s coming down to a matter of more content or more legendaries, I think it’s pretty clear that more content is more important for the player base as a whole.
And once again somebody repeats the same argument without acknowledging the 70 people working on unpaid for content while defending anet for cancelling paid for content.
I haven’t for one moment forgotten about it, but sometimes you have to make hard decisions for the health of the game
On the one hand we have a small percentage of people who really wants those currently unreleased legendaries. We have a much larger group of people who really want more content and are screaming that there isn’t enough currently that can be played. Which do you think is more important for the health of the game and the community? New legendaries benefits a much smaller percentage of the population than playable content
Furthermore as for the unpaid expansion you’re referring to, it will be paid for by the people who decide to buy it and will hopefully alleviate the disgruntled who thought hard Farms was too small. And besides, I seriously doubt more than a tiny fraction of people are harmed by thus compared to the much larger percentage that will be helped.
People have been screaming for more playable content… And you want them to remove staff from one of the teams working on precisely that.
Um, those 70 people aren’t working on the LS, they are working on the next expansion. Something without a release date or any information attached to it, something I haven’t paid for yet. So yes, I’d very much prefer they finish what I paid for instead of working on the next product and cancelling what I paid for. Legendaries are a lot of content and I personally don’t care if only 3 people make them, because I paid for it and I deserve what I paid for.
And that expansion is also playable content. I didn’t say a living story I said playable content
Lord talk about rivers of tears.
Let’s talk about what’s the best thing for the game, we’re only a small fraction of people have legendaries but everybody plays content. What do you think is more important for the masses as a whole?
I am not saying they should have canceled legendary development, but if it’s coming down to a matter of more content or more legendaries, I think it’s pretty clear that more content is more important for the player base as a whole.
And once again somebody repeats the same argument without acknowledging the 70 people working on unpaid for content while defending anet for cancelling paid for content.
I haven’t for one moment forgotten about it, but sometimes you have to make hard decisions for the health of the game
On the one hand we have a small percentage of people who really wants those currently unreleased legendaries. We have a much larger group of people who really want more content and are screaming that there isn’t enough currently that can be played. Which do you think is more important for the health of the game and the community? New legendaries benefits a much smaller percentage of the population than playable content
Furthermore as for the unpaid expansion you’re referring to, it will be paid for by the people who decide to buy it and will hopefully alleviate the disgruntled who thought hard Farms was too small. And besides, I seriously doubt more than a tiny fraction of people are harmed by thus compared to the much larger percentage that will be helped.
People have been screaming for more playable content… And you want them to remove staff from one of the teams working on precisely that.
Um, those 70 people aren’t working on the LS, they are working on the next expansion. Something without a release date or any information attached to it, something I haven’t paid for yet. So yes, I’d very much prefer they finish what I paid for instead of working on the next product and cancelling what I paid for. Legendaries are a lot of content and I personally don’t care if only 3 people make them, because I paid for it and I deserve what I paid for.
And that expansion is also playable content. I didn’t say a living story I said playable content
That expansion isn’t something I paid for. I don’t care about future content until I get the content I paid for. Money was changed hands for content and I expect that content. Its like I am living in crazy land with you people right now.
Lord talk about rivers of tears.
Let’s talk about what’s the best thing for the game, we’re only a small fraction of people have legendaries but everybody plays content. What do you think is more important for the masses as a whole?
I am not saying they should have canceled legendary development, but if it’s coming down to a matter of more content or more legendaries, I think it’s pretty clear that more content is more important for the player base as a whole.
Here it is again. someone looking at their personal preference and ideals but ignoring the big picture. making legend chasers out to be the bad guys..
We shouldn’t have to make the choice. none of you apologists get that. we already paid for both and they moved almost half the team to making another expac before they finished the one they sold us.
Honestly I think if the team consisted of only six people they probably should have left it there, but my point is I think people are making a much bigger deal about this that it should be.
if they have a deep concern over lack of playable content and they feel they need every developer possible to push it I suspect that is probably a healthier decision before the health of the game
I suppose the point is telling them they need to take developers off of future development of the expansion etcetera would be a far worse decision. legendary Chasers are not villains, but they are also in the minority of the population and expecting the rest of the players of the game to take the hit for the small percentage I don’t think is terribly reasonable
Although it is reasonable I supposed to expect anet deliver on their promises.
Let me rephrase my entire protest. I think they should have left the 6 where they were. But if it really became a matter of the health of the game and it’s a question of more Legendaries vs more playable content, I think which is better for the health of the game and the player base as a whole is pretty obvious
6 people aren’t going to make a difference. with what we’ve seen (half a year for 4 legends) I would be surprised if they’re able to finish a bush off the road in the next LW update before it lands, they might end up patching it in a month later.
the only “problem” here is that they made the choice to put the game in the situation its in now by devoting at least 40% of their work force to selling more instead of ensuring the quality of what the sold.
if anything they should move 20 people from the expac2 team onto the LW and move the 6 back. they’ve bitten off more than they can chew by shoving the players aside and going full steam to the bank.
Obviously I go into this knowing that some players will be very upset. That’s why it’s such a tough decision.
Ankdarkwolf, Darkmikau, Ballads, Spira, Caerbannog, Cysgod, you each posted a variant of an accusation I’ve seen many times over the past few months on the forums, something along the lines of, “AN shipped half an expansion with HoT.” I take issue with that. We shipped a new region full of content, a new mastery system, gliding, guild halls, a new profession, nine new elite specializations for existing professions, and more. Then we shipped precursor journeys for existing legendaries, and said, “We’ve been working hard on new legendary weapons, the first handful of which will be introduced in Heart of Thorns, with more to come in subsequent updates.” While I fully get that you’re disappointed today, this is not about us shipping half an expansion pack.
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This is the most disrespectful response to a customer base I’ve seen in awhile. You DID ship half of an expansion although I’ll go as high as 60%. Half of what came out was just reworks on core systems (many of what came out for non-HoT purchasers too) and the new region was 3 and a half maps. GW2 managed those same things in feature packs before you announced expansions. Those were free! When you get $50-$100 per person, I expect that the least you can do is finish what you promised on the “box” and you hire more people if needed. Sad…
Ahhhh…. the amount of people getting upset over this is amusing to me.
In “real life” when you make a purchase and you don’t get the full product but only a partial product and the company promises they’ll send you the rest someday because they decided to stop working on what you paid for, are you still as amused?
Be careful what you ask for
ANet may give it to you.
ANet may give it to you.
yes half-expansion-mike is not a force to be trifled with
The more I see, the more that I think that Anet just needs to back up and get back to the vision they had when the game launched. They know how to make a great game. I know people criticized season one for the temporary nature of much of the content, but the content itself was fun and entertaining. Just as importantly, the developers continually let us know how passionate they were about that content. Think back to some of the lead in (videos, in game hints, etc) activities for things like Southsun, Molten Facility, Tower of Nightmares, etc.
We’ve lost that sense of developer passion – and we have lost the unique and fun content we were getting then.
IMO, I would rather they scrapped the idea of expansions and moved to a “season pass” business model. Put the entire team back on making a living breathing world and, every 2-3 years, ask us to pay a one time cost to access the new region you have added (are in the process of adding) to the game.
Two to three years ago, we considered this a great game. Today, it feels off track. It’s time to look at the difference between now and then and get this train heading in the right direction again.
Ahhhh…. the amount of people getting upset over this is amusing to me.
I too get amused when consumers get upset when they’re robbed by companies.
I meant the everyone yelling at each other and Anet.
And no one was “robbed” they just feel robbed, legendary weapons were pointless anyways.
Worrying is like a rocking chair: You go back and forth but never get anywhere.
Lord talk about rivers of tears.
Let’s talk about what’s the best thing for the game, we’re only a small fraction of people have legendaries but everybody plays content. What do you think is more important for the masses as a whole?
I am not saying they should have canceled legendary development, but if it’s coming down to a matter of more content or more legendaries, I think it’s pretty clear that more content is more important for the player base as a whole.
and those 6 people will speed up the other 120 people working on HoT by a mile right? So much better than moving those 70 people dedicated to the next expansion, or you know, HIRING SOME MORE.
Are you saying it’s a smart idea to slow down the development of the next expansion?
I don’t know if that is what Mitha is saying, but that is definitely what I want. I don’t want another expansion, I want this expansion to be finished first. If that is with or without extra legendaries is something ArenaNet has to decide. I am still waiting for the second half of HoT. The extra Legendaries I will not get, hopefully I will get more story and at least one other map. And better WvW. To satisfy other players the rest of the raid wings and extra fractals would also be nice.
I don’t think what they delivered so far with HoT is enough to call this a complete expansion, it is only the first half. I am sad that Mike O Brien seems offended by others who said this. Because that makes me think that he is satisfied with what ArenaNet delivered. And so far HoT is simply not good enough for me to consider spending any RL money on GW2. I bought the base core game when GW2 released and bought the extra parts later with gems. Even though I didn’t need most of what was extra. That was my way of supporting GW2. I planned to do the same with HoT, but at the moment it is far away from the state I want it to be in before I am going to buy the extra’s.
As much as I want them to finish the legendaries promised with this expansion before they launch the next, I can also see the point in NOT slowing down the launch of the next xpac: They don’t want to have the same content-drought fiasco that plagued the gap between LS2 and HoT. Especially if Expac 2 is going to have an ambitious amount of content to it (Such as a new playable race?)
The problem with Living Story was that it never did much more than give us “More of the Same”, outside of the story. Same mechanics, same classes, same traits, same races. Sometimes new maps… filled with same mechanics and same style of events.
I think the reason some people say this was a “half-expansion” is because of how easy it was to burn through the content. I think ANet needs to increase its work force… or sell more items through the gem store to raise more revenue. Something really doesn’t seem “right” with the way things have been going. I’ve seen ANet have to change the path they’re taking too much… there’s never enough people to go around it seems
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What is the point of faster delivery of a second expansion if the first is left partially undelivered?
One of the complaints about HoT was that it was very small. This announcement makes it smaller still.
It is going to take something beyond promises of, “at least its not HoT,” for the second expansion to sell even as many copies as did HoT, which was not a runaway bestseller. It would take something like Cantha or Elona (IMO), or both, to turn this around.
Ahhhh…. the amount of people getting upset over this is amusing to me.
I too get amused when consumers get upset when they’re robbed by companies.
I meant the everyone yelling at each other and Anet.
And no one was “robbed” they just feel robbed, legendary weapons were pointless anyways.
So, you’re saying that if you pay for a product and you only get part of it and the company tells you that they’ve stopped working on the rest of your purchase until “eventually,” you would be completely satisfied and not feel “robbed” of part of your money?
And how fast would you be to buy another product from that same company if they haven’t delivered all you paid for on your first purchase?
Be careful what you ask for
ANet may give it to you.
ANet may give it to you.