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Posted by: Lobo Dela Noche.5127

Lobo Dela Noche.5127

As it stands, the number of posts so far work out at more than a post a minute. It should be clear from that, that this isn’t a slight disgruntlement. This is a genuine issue Anet should recognise and start working through.

There is a lot of speculation that this is simply a money grab, and while there can be some merit there, simply because just to top up your gem stash to where you want it means either sinking a lot more gold than you need to just to get to your magic number (ok, you end up with more gems, but do you want those at the moment), or, if you haven’t the gold and want something that bad, you then have to buy gems. You pay over the odds for the number of gems you want, or you fork out the RL money.

Microsoft had a similar thing with their MS Points. Perhaps that was what Gaile was referring to as inline with other shopping forms. Perhaps someone should tell Anet how MS points are doing at the moment – they were gotten rid of in favour of a more transparent balance of actual money loaded into the account.

While I imagine the greedy side of Anet had an influence, I can also see that they were trying to solve a problem or confusion with the current system. That of inputting your gold and then coming out with what it will get you rather than inputting a gem number and getting the price back. But the “fix” is typical Anet of late. They start with a decent enough idea and good intentions, and just ride it off the cliff, going so overboard that the result does not really solve the initial problem and introduces new ones.

The idea of having the bulk amounts as options is fine. Nice, and easy for a simple go to in those moments you want to buy big. But why in Grenth’s name did this added functionality (and a very nice addition it would have been too) come at the cost of the present, clunky but otherwise very good current system. Was there seriously no way to incorporate both? Surely in a meeting somewhere the decision was made to remove the old functionality and replace it with this. What was the rationale behind such a decision? And if it was just something that happened without that discussion, that is a very serious failure of quality assurance and basic design. Its easy to jump to conclusions that this was an intentional change to force more gem purchases. A dastardly ploy indeed, and if true very regrettable. But I’m still not convinced it wasn’t just bungling. And that is no less a concern.

And once more, many of these design errors (I still like to believe they were errors, even if I’m less convinced of that) could have been avoided if the feature was discussed in the weeks before the patch. This is why transparency is needed. Oversights and mix ups are fine if you discuss them with us before release, because then they are sorted before they hit live, and we feel great for having helped a little. We still have no real idea of what is coming or the direction the game is taking, except to say from the path it has taken so far, we are not convinced there is a jolly destination at the end. Communication with us, greater transparency with is and a greater respect to your players (that, intentionally or not, is seriously lacking at the moment) would do wonders, would actually create trust in you guys and avoid the negativity, both on this forum and in news reports like tentonhammer an joystiq, both of which have something about the current row. Are you guys so blind to the PR disaster that is being unleashed? Its a pandoras box. Its out there now and its not getting back in the box. The only way to save face and rebuild is to engage. For the sake of the game we love and the members of the company that, despite this still have some respect from the community, be proactive and work with us. Do not ignore us.

There is no confusion and people aren’t speculating. Arenanet saw that other companies were making more money because they force you to buy in blocks and they want to join that crowd. The people making the decisions probably went to a conference or party and someone from one of the other companies told them how much revenue they are missing out on by letting people buy the exact amount they need. There are many extremely easy fixes they could add to fix this that have been suggested in this thread. All of them have one thing in common and that is allow you to convert exactly the amount you need. I’m pretty sure that is the one suggestion they don’t want to hear as it was mentioned a couple times before Gaile came in to the thread.

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Posted by: Tristar.2687

Tristar.2687

The great thing is how Anet literally has no waay of backpedaling out of this.

Even a full retraction and reset will cause everyone to wonder why they did it in thhe first place.

There is no plausible answer other than, ‘We want more money and didn’t want you to notice.’

Please, just move on to a new game.

GW2 ‘golden age’ was year 1 (sadly, I missed even this, as I literally started playing right around year 1 and I’ve seen nothing but decline in game quality).

Star Citizen looks incredibly awesome.

The answer is: Nexon. Monetarization specialists that took over the game. You wonder why we get no new armors or weapons ingame, just skimpy outfits and all the other gimmicks in gem store? The answer is Nexon. They destroyed the whole franchise for me. Sadly.

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Posted by: ikereid.4637

ikereid.4637

LOL, looks like torches and pitchforks time.

And Gaile, people are reacting in an understandable manner.

It’s because they are angry.

The big question in my mind, is why?

Yeah, I was thinking the same about the pitchforks and torches.

I don’t discount players when they are upset, though, and I truly understand that sometimes things hit close to home and cause some angst, anger, upset, any sort of reaction. (I’d think it was possible to have the discussion without it devolving into unpleasantness, but then, I always was an optimist! )

I asked a quick question of a team leader about the changes. I thought the answers were pretty clear so I posted them. But if you want more info, maybe there’s more to be learned and I’ll ask about that tomorrow.

Let me put it clearly to you and you can take this back to your team for comments/suggestions…ect.

1. We lost the trending chart of the gold to gems, and gems to gold, cost. so there is no way for us to verify what you have said about the inflation costs of gems. There is no more weekly(5day) history on costs. So basically what I am saying on this one is ‘Sorry, I don’t believe you that over night the gems doubled in cost. As there is no proof that i can verify that against, unlike before where we had the nice graph to look at’. – I want this back.

2. I LOVE the new UI, its clear and clean and crisp and gets right to the point. BUT! why do we not have an advanced gear that takes us to the older UI to input the # of gems/gold we wish to trade in for? For us ‘veteran’ players that are used to that UI and find it more useful, i think that would be what needs to happen now. Make it accessible with one of your fancy option gears as part of the new UI. This is what you can do to make this change up to the community for your poor delivery of the new UI.

below is note entirely related to the topic at hand, but I am putting it on one thread so I dont have to make another

3. Your team needs to be more open with the player base, we get patch notes (many of which are generic notations – General performance enhancements ?! this tells me nothing about what was changed, and you guys do this constantly on many different line items) , but we rarely get a good forum post from a Dev or a Anet employee who actually knows what is going on. A great example is the tech support forum were Anet makes an appearance once a month, mainly to lock/move posts. You let your community deal with most of the mishaps with the game and watch from the shadows. Then you guys chastise us for making noise. You all need a better way of handling this. And I think the term ‘professional’ works here. As I feel Anet has 0 professionalism at this point.

4. Its been 2 years and a few months and we still do not have a Public Test server. I think its time Anet dusts off one of their older Xeon servers that was retired during beta and sets up a PTR server for testing patches for the player base. All the big MMOs have it, you wanna play with the big boys its time you get this going too. The MOST important part of the PTR is the feedback from its testers. If Anet continues to act the way they are now and retroactively listens to the player base then a PTR won’t work either. But if Anet walks hand in hand with its player base, then a PTR can be beneficial to both parties. 1. Beta testing won’t cost Anet as much as many players are willing to fit that bill, so that’s reduced RD costs, 2. stuff gets tested more thoroughly and on a more wide range of systems, this gives the devs more insight as to what code is broken and what to do, to fix it.

5. lastly, you guys NEED to make this game more fun. This MMO is too easy, it was easy before the crappy trait changes, and its even easier now. By going down that road you have removed a lot of the ‘fun’ out of the game. You guys need to go back to the drawing board and figure out what needs to be to done bring fun back to this game. I am not necessarily talking new content, or design, but what is GW2 about, what drove Anet to make GW2 in the first place. I feel that GW2 is as off track as I am in this post now. Its time to go back to your roots and figure that out.

As it stands now, GW2 has lost a lot of its once brilliant shine. You guys need to get the polish and rag out and start to work on this gem again.

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Posted by: darksoverign.5360

darksoverign.5360

The title says it all…
Small suggestion add a way to make smaller orders for gems or revert it to the old system only wanted to buy the 200 gem hood for my h’ween outfit but I had to shell out twice the amount I wanted for it because you can only get a min of 400 gems… This is a huge issue due to the fact you have many items on the gem store ranging fro 30-2000 gems this is why the old system worked you would just put in the number that you wanted for the items and buy them. Now its just a pain in the kitten and by that I mean a pain in the wallet. this seems a lot like your just milking your player base even more than you already were. I can understand the lack of Halloween+ Xmass stuff because your working on living story but there was no reasoning behind changing the gem system.

PS. Why didn’t you release this crap with the last feature pack? So we could tell you how much we hate it before u ruin Halloween for the players that actually wanted items off the store..

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Posted by: Astral Projections.7320

Astral Projections.7320

I would absolutely love to meet these new players who understand the game so well and have made so much gold in the short time they’ve been playing that 70 or 80 gold is a trivial amount to spend to get 400 gems yet are unable to understand how to convert gold to gems using the old system. No matter how you consider these people, they are a marvel. I don’t think I’ve ever met an individual so simultaneously adept and inept.

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Posted by: Seravy.3759

Seravy.3759

This updated is stupid
i accidently exchanged gem to gold
now i have to buy 400 gems atleast to purchase something

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Posted by: Tristar.2687

Tristar.2687

Please, just move on to a new game.

Please take your own advice and stop posting on the forums since you quite clearly have no sort of interest in the game?

You are being robbed over and over and still defend thoae thieves? How are you able to see positive aspects in this move, removing features from the game to maximize profits of their already overpriced gem shop items. Have you ever had a basic economics class? I advise you to take one.

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Posted by: Lobo Dela Noche.5127

Lobo Dela Noche.5127

The great thing is how Anet literally has no waay of backpedaling out of this.

Even a full retraction and reset will cause everyone to wonder why they did it in thhe first place.

There is no plausible answer other than, ‘We want more money and didn’t want you to notice.’

Please, just move on to a new game.

GW2 ‘golden age’ was year 1 (sadly, I missed even this, as I literally started playing right around year 1 and I’ve seen nothing but decline in game quality).

Star Citizen looks incredibly awesome.

The answer is: Nexon. Monetarization specialists that took over the game. You wonder why we get no new armors or weapons ingame, just skimpy outfits and all the other gimmicks in gem store? The answer is Nexon. They destroyed the whole franchise for me. Sadly.

I never mentioned this until a few others started because I figured I would get insta-banned or have my post deleted. For those that don’t know, one of Nexon’s star players is running the show.

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Posted by: Mareth.8659

Mareth.8659

I would absolutely love to meet these new players who understand the game so well and have made so much gold in the short time they’ve been playing that 70 or 80 gold is a trivial amount to spend to get 400 gems yet are unable to understand how to convert gold to gems using the old system. No matter how you consider these people, they are a marvel. I don’t think I’ve ever met an individual so simultaneously adept and inept.

They’re soloing in Skyhammer.

Gold I loved this game so much…

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Posted by: Wolfheart.1879

Wolfheart.1879

There is no confusion and people aren’t speculating. Arenanet saw that other companies were making more money because they force you to buy in blocks and they want to join that crowd. The people making the decisions probably went to a conference or party and someone from one of the other companies told them how much revenue they are missing out on by letting people buy the exact amount they need. There are many extremely easy fixes they could add to fix this that have been suggested in this thread. All of them have one thing in common and that is allow you to convert exactly the amount you need. I’m pretty sure that is the one suggestion they don’t want to hear as it was mentioned a couple times before Ghaile came in to the thread.

Oh indeed. I’m merely suggesting that there was perhaps some good intent by someone here (and clearly some dodgy intent by those that matter). And the clear fix to this mess is a rendition of the system we had, and should have been transferred. As much as I can believe Anet the company would want to hose us, it is incomprehensible to me that there were unified voices to this in private. I’m hoping those with sense work to sort this mess out. Not optimistic, but hey, if there is no hope, there is no point continuing to play.

Plus I’m trying not to be as ranty as my previous posts and not be kitten kitten ing in tone. Its happened, nothing can change that. Anet CAN still claw their way back with a mea culpa and meaningful work from there. Whether or not they will have courage to do that, or the courage to be honest with their reasons for implementing this has yet to be seen (although we can have a fairly good guess)

Divinity’s Reach is home to some top-tier criminal masterminds.
The kind of people who will set an orphanage on fire after locking themselves inside it.

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Posted by: Vlad Morbius.1759

Vlad Morbius.1759

The game is not close do dying. Nor will this change kill it. The vast majority of the players probably don’t even know/care about this change nor what is happening (or not happening) on the forums.

The thing is if people keep abusing the devs and the company they might simply decide that it is not worth posting at all or even have a forum for anything other than supports (as in Guild Wars 1). Which could quite easily mean that they would just close them down.

So we accept the blatant money grab with a grin and bare it and ignore the flat out fabrication that it was due to confusion of new players. I’m sorry but a line in the sand is necessary, now as far as their communication, their own policy prohibits any real sharing of information so what do we lose exactly? I’m sorry but i was raised to stand up and voice my concerns when i see something that isn’t right and that’s what i am here doing.
I am not naive enough to believe it is the dev’s who have made the change at least not willingly so my disappointment isn’t pointed at them, they and most here know who is to blame and i hope the bad PR reaches them and they are held accountable for what it brings. As far as most players not even aware that’s absurd, my wife plays throughout the day and the chat has been mostly nothing but the disgust at this change. there have also been articles written at Ten Ton Hammer and now Kotaku so yeh people are aware.

Vini, Vidi, Vici, Viridis…I came, I saw, I conquered…I got a green??

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Posted by: Metallus.7690

Metallus.7690

… just why? Weren’t things fine before? I don’t think anyone ever complained about the gold2gem system being “confusing”. Hell, people are complaining about things that have been ignored for YEARS and still are being ignored and what you do is changing of your own accord a feature everyone was fine with to actually make it WORSE.

Being able to buy a fixed amount was just perfect, because if you wanted to get that one item goin for 125 gems, you could just buy your 125 gems. Now what? I should spend a fortune to buy a bulk of 400gems and being left with 275 that are not elegible to buy anything else, unless I convert more gold2gems of course and get other bulks.

It just makes no sense. Revert it back the way it was.

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Posted by: Zylonite.5913

Zylonite.5913

Its almost the end of the work day and no sign of the forum mobs cleaning the heck out of this thread and remove every post disagreeing with the gem store change…

Betrayed by the gods of ANet

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Posted by: enaz.3489

enaz.3489

I think it is ridiculous to have to buy 400 gems at a time! They should have left it the way it was.

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Posted by: lordkrall.7241

lordkrall.7241

I think it is ridiculous to have to buy 400 gems at a time! They should have left it the way it was.

To be fair I have been “forced” to buy at least 800 gems every time I have wanted to buy gems since release. And yet no one seems to have had any issue with that.

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Posted by: Trinibaje.7683

Trinibaje.7683

Didn’t read all the pages of posts.. but I will say I don’t like the new system… was going to buy gems for some of the new stuff… but not anymore, as I can’t purchase the amount I was going to and I’m not going to purchase more than I wanted to. Thanks ANet.

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Posted by: Wolfheart.1879

Wolfheart.1879

Its almost the end of the work day and no sign of the forum mobs cleaning the heck out of this thread and remove every post disagreeing with the gem store change…

This would be one very very empty thread if that happened. While there are nice things about the ui, I’m not sure but I don’t recall a single nice thing about the changes with regard to enforced denomination purchases. Which is another first for a big thread on these forums. I’ve seen large threads with one side of the argument dominating against a smaller group on the other. I’ve never seen the community so unanimous.

Divinity’s Reach is home to some top-tier criminal masterminds.
The kind of people who will set an orphanage on fire after locking themselves inside it.

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Posted by: Tristar.2687

Tristar.2687

Please, just move on to a new game.

Please take your own advice and stop posting on the forums since you quite clearly have no sort of interest in the game?

You are being robbed over and over and still defend thoae thieves? How are you able to see positive aspects in this move, removing features from the game to maximize profits of their already overpriced gem shop items. Have you ever had a basic economics class? I advise you to take one.

Clearly they are a paid shill, an employee/relative of one. Possibly just one of those confused new players, but I doubt they can type “yet” as obviously it is too confusing.

Well it is easy to blame new players again since they are already the scapegoats for many veterans due to the NPE failure of anet. Guess they were sitting on a table at their conference room and discussed who to blame for the upcoming robbery they have planned. Easiest solution: New players. Plus send Gaile out to defend the move since she is one of the last remaining persons shining in the light of GW1. But this time sending Gaile was not enough to calm down the masses.

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Posted by: Vlad Morbius.1759

Vlad Morbius.1759

To be fair I have been “forced” to buy at least 800 gems every time I have wanted to buy gems since release. And yet no one seems to have had any issue with that.

Of course people have had issue with that as well, i think this is just a sum reaction to all the unwanted changes and the purported reasoning behind them. I don’t think treating your player base like they are imbeciles helped them at all and the complete lack of real communication for a very long time just added to the vitriol. There’s an old saying, don’t kitten on my cupcake and call it frosting, and that’s exactly what happened yesterday with this change, so hence the reaction.

Vini, Vidi, Vici, Viridis…I came, I saw, I conquered…I got a green??

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Posted by: lordkrall.7241

lordkrall.7241

Of course people have had issue with that as well, i think this is just a sum reaction to all the unwanted changes and the purported reasoning behind them. I don’t think treating your player base like they are imbeciles helped them at all and the complete lack of real communication for a very long time just added to the vitriol. There’s an old saying, don’t kitten on my cupcake and call it frosting, and that’s exactly what happened yesterday with this change, so hence the reaction.

Oh? I can’t remember pages upon pages of raging about the fact that you can’t spend exactly what you want or get the exact amount of gems you want with real money. But I suppose I might have missed it.

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Posted by: rhael.6317

rhael.6317

Still no response? This could have been engineered, tested, committed, and ready for deployment by now.

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Posted by: Tristar.2687

Tristar.2687

I think it is ridiculous to have to buy 400 gems at a time! They should have left it the way it was.

To be fair I have been “forced” to buy at least 800 gems every time I have wanted to buy gems since release. And yet no one seems to have had any issue with that.

Well that is your problem. Nobody forced you to buy gems with real money. Removing features that actually limit the ingame-conversion is a whole different topic. I’d consider you to open a seperate topic for that.

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Posted by: phys.7689

phys.7689

Of course people have had issue with that as well, i think this is just a sum reaction to all the unwanted changes and the purported reasoning behind them. I don’t think treating your player base like they are imbeciles helped them at all and the complete lack of real communication for a very long time just added to the vitriol. There’s an old saying, don’t kitten on my cupcake and call it frosting, and that’s exactly what happened yesterday with this change, so hence the reaction.

Oh? I can’t remember pages upon pages of raging about the fact that you can’t spend exactly what you want or get the exact amount of gems you want with real money. But I suppose I might have missed it.

its not optimal but irl its accepted that you can only make credit card purchases over a certain amount. However, i do think many people were unhappy with the system.

however there is no real reason to do that gold to gem, in fact there is a lot of reasons not to

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Posted by: nightwulf.1986

nightwulf.1986

I think it is ridiculous to have to buy 400 gems at a time! They should have left it the way it was.

To be fair I have been “forced” to buy at least 800 gems every time I have wanted to buy gems since release. And yet no one seems to have had any issue with that.

Well, to be fair, I remember people complaining about the 800 gem minimum but that argument didn’t seem to go anywhere and died out. It was an argument that people pointed out around release time. Still, the system has been internally inconsistent since release and no one really complained about the inconsistency because it benefited them and they could circumvent it. Now that the currency conversion and cash to gems option is ideologically consistent, people want to complain. This was coming. I don’t think any of us expected it though.

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Posted by: Bellizare.5816

Bellizare.5816

Of course people have had issue with that as well, i think this is just a sum reaction to all the unwanted changes and the purported reasoning behind them. I don’t think treating your player base like they are imbeciles helped them at all and the complete lack of real communication for a very long time just added to the vitriol. There’s an old saying, don’t kitten on my cupcake and call it frosting, and that’s exactly what happened yesterday with this change, so hence the reaction.

Oh? I can’t remember pages upon pages of raging about the fact that you can’t spend exactly what you want or get the exact amount of gems you want with real money. But I suppose I might have missed it.

Because using your credit card to buy is not the same as converting gold or jewels.

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Posted by: Rialen.1524

Rialen.1524

Wow, I haven’t seen such a large and immediate response from the community since the Flamekissed reskin. Put briefly, this ‘upgrade’ was actually a downgrade. It is effectively a step backwards.The only positive effect this brings is for the corporation itself, increasing their profits. Now increasing profits is fine, it’s good for a company – so great make some more money – but not at the cost of the community. The gem conversion rework negatively affects a major part of the community directly, and all of us indirectly. If you’re trying to lose more of the playerbase, keep stubbornly trudging on your destructive business model. If not, start listening.

My constructive input on the issue, go back to the old system that worked.

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Posted by: MidnightStar.2960

MidnightStar.2960

Still no response? This could have been engineered, tested, committed, and ready for deployment by now.

They’re just gonna wait a week or two for this to blow over and not do anything about it. Just standard procedure when unpopular changes get implemented that increase company revenue.

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Posted by: Bellizare.5816

Bellizare.5816

Still no response? This could have been engineered, tested, committed, and ready for deployment by now.

They’re just gonna wait a week or two for this to blow over and not do anything about it. Just standard procedure when unpopular changes get implemented that increase company revenue.

Yep, just another nail in the old coffin.

Going to be great for those who enjoy solo play.

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Posted by: cheshader.5081

cheshader.5081

… just why? Weren’t things fine before? I don’t think anyone ever complained about the gold2gem system being “confusing”.

Ofc, there was a huge bunch of new players each with no less than 80g in their pockets eager to spend it on no less than 400 gems, haven’t you noticed them complaining like on every map that they can’t do it because the user interface is so confusing?

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Posted by: xarallei.4279

xarallei.4279

You fail to understand 1 simple thing…. The people who are complaining were spending money, therefore the company WAS making money.

Oh? I keep seeing people in this thread that have claimed multiple times that they would never spend any money on the game outside of the original purchase. The thing is that those people that mainly spent actual money on gems are not really that effected by this change.

I know I myself have stated how much this issue affects me in this thread and I’ve seen others as well. When I buy $20 worth of gems often times I will have some gems left over. And most of the time I like to just convert whatever is left to gold. Now I can’t do that. I am left converting some weird kitten amount of gems and am left with a weird kitten amount still in my account instead of getting the full gold value for all my gems. The point is, it’s bloody annoying for ALL sides of this equation. And no Anet, this system does NOT encourage me to buy more gems. It’s actually discouraging me.

It’s a bad, bad idea. You think because you mess with this that all the people who bought gems with gold will stop and start buying with real money? Guess what? Those people aren’t going to change their minds. They don’t want to spend IRL money and this isn’t going to make them suddenly buy gems with money. And as for those of us who already buy gems, well yeah….you’re kittening us off.

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Posted by: lordkrall.7241

lordkrall.7241

Yep, just another nail in the old coffin.

Going to be great for those who enjoy solo play.

Must be one of the largest coffins ever created, seeing as they apparently have put nails in it with every single release since the game launched according to some people on these forums.

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Posted by: localghost.9145

localghost.9145

You have things on sale for 700 gems. You have things on sale for a number of gems that is not evenly divisible by 400. I am not a rich player, i mainly wvw or pvp. I am not a rich person IRL so I cant afford to buy gems for real money.
The number of items I have been able to purchase through the gemstore is extremely limited already, despite having over 4k hours invested in this game. Making me have to pay even more gold to get items just feels like a big slap in the face. The new outfit looks snazzy, converting gold into 700 gems might have been worth it. It would be my first outfit. But this change… I don’t know how it’s justified, it seems like a bad change pretty much whichever way you look at it.

And also once again, was the community asked about if they would think it would be a good idea? No, not really. Are they ever? Can a certain trend of community-backlash causing changes be seen? Is anything being done about possibly preventing bad changes that cause these reactions? No, not really. Devs talk more on the forums, but what does that matter? Pipelined changes are top secret and then there is really no point. We cant have CDI’s for everything, but for the things that are not CDIed there must at least be some sense of awareness from anet about what and how the players are using the functions you are massively changing.

Please.

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Posted by: Bellizare.5816

Bellizare.5816

Yep, just another nail in the old coffin.

Going to be great for those who enjoy solo play.

Must be one of the largest coffins ever created, seeing as they apparently have put nails in it with every single release since the game launched according to some people on these forums.

It’s a very large coffin, but they seem to be hammering much harder these days.

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Posted by: Azhure.1857

Azhure.1857

Where are you finding all these new players that are so easily confused by things like skills, traits, utilities at lower levels, and now how gems/gold conversion works? The loony bin? An elementary school? If you are having to dumb down the game to this extent, maybe the rest of us would rather they dont come here. I know what dumbing down the game did for WoW, I would prefer this game didnt repeat that mistake.

Perhaps GW2 will devolve into a glorified version of Pac-Man to avoid any and all confusion. Hmmm…

Isle of Janthir Megaserver

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Posted by: nightwulf.1986

nightwulf.1986

Of course people have had issue with that as well, i think this is just a sum reaction to all the unwanted changes and the purported reasoning behind them. I don’t think treating your player base like they are imbeciles helped them at all and the complete lack of real communication for a very long time just added to the vitriol. There’s an old saying, don’t kitten on my cupcake and call it frosting, and that’s exactly what happened yesterday with this change, so hence the reaction.

Oh? I can’t remember pages upon pages of raging about the fact that you can’t spend exactly what you want or get the exact amount of gems you want with real money. But I suppose I might have missed it.

Because using your credit card to buy is not the same as converting gold or jewels.

That sort of logic is a big mistake. The moment gold can be used to obtain something you can get with real money, those systems are linked in real ways with real ramifications. The design of each considers the other.

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Posted by: Cael.3960

Cael.3960

I’ll add my voice to the growing number of account holders who refuse to support the game with real-world currency until they return the exchange back to the way it was.

I’ve stood by arena net for a very long time, considered it one of the few gaming companies that put the quality of their product and the satisfaction of their players first. Since launch I’ve spent over $100 in the gem store and encouraged dozens of my friends to pick up their products. But if wallet gouging in the name of “making the interface less confusing” is what I can expect from here out, I won’t be spending one more dime on this game. Your players may love the game, may be willing to pay to play it the way they like, but they’re not stupid. When you take away the weekly statistics you remove the casual player’s ability to gauge a good market price for their real world $$. When you take away their choice to spend exactly what they want, to buy exactly what they want, you’re forcing them to over-pay.

This is a cash grab pure and simple. Don’t try to hide the greed by claiming players want a simplified store that maximizes your own profits.

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Posted by: Azhure.1857

Azhure.1857

Yep, just another nail in the old coffin.

Going to be great for those who enjoy solo play.

Must be one of the largest coffins ever created, seeing as they apparently have put nails in it with every single release since the game launched according to some people on these forums.

Well yes, silly, as it has to hold a lot of bodies.

Isle of Janthir Megaserver

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Posted by: Jerus.4350

Jerus.4350

I think it is ridiculous to have to buy 400 gems at a time! They should have left it the way it was.

To be fair I have been “forced” to buy at least 800 gems every time I have wanted to buy gems since release. And yet no one seems to have had any issue with that.

Before you could sell back the “change” to get gold though, new one you can’t convert everything because of the really really dumb gem->gold change. So now you’re going to be left with a few gems, who gets that profit on the change? ANet, why? becuase of this change. Before you could continue to convert that into in game cash till you had 0 gems. So it’s like the giftcard idea, you’ll always have some change left, and either you just accept that and leave it, or you go back and use it up in addition to the next purchase you make.

That’s the big issue that needs addressing, is that I can’t just convert my gems off to gold.

Then in addition there’s the displeasing change to gold->gems but it makes sense, it makes using purely gold more of an investment, which in turn makes gem purchases maybe that more likely to happen, I can’t fault hem for that.

What’s disappointing though is that Gaile came and tried to feed us bullkitten about it.

Then personally I’m a bit skeptical about that spike in prices, seems a bit too much to be natural… but again, I wouldn’t blame them, why should I purchase gems with cash when I can easily get everything I want with gold?

At this point they have to make me WANT to spend money on gems, that’s not happening with their current development plans. They simply don’t plan on doing anything for my type of player, so why should I spend money to support them? So I think they’ve realized this and instead of trying to satisfy players like me and make me wnt to invest they’ve decided they have to do something to put pressure on us to invest if we want pretty things in the game.

Edit: In the end I just wish they were honest with us. I like Gaile, but her integrity took a pretty big hit with this thread as far as I’m concerned.

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Posted by: Mr Snotty Pants.3980

Mr Snotty Pants.3980

I am surprise there hasn’t been some word from anet by now.

This is where their brand of communication fails. On difficult topics they don’t provide it. Traits, Greatest Fear, and I guess this.

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Posted by: chemiclord.3978

chemiclord.3978

It’s because there’s nothing left to say.

It’s not changing. Period. No matter how much people whine and complain. Because they see the evidence all over the gaming world that this setup works, and works very well. They are confident that the amount of money they’ll get with this change will more than make up for the lost sales from the legion of forum discontent.

What’s sad is that they are probably right.

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Posted by: Bellizare.5816

Bellizare.5816

Of course people have had issue with that as well, i think this is just a sum reaction to all the unwanted changes and the purported reasoning behind them. I don’t think treating your player base like they are imbeciles helped them at all and the complete lack of real communication for a very long time just added to the vitriol. There’s an old saying, don’t kitten on my cupcake and call it frosting, and that’s exactly what happened yesterday with this change, so hence the reaction.

Oh? I can’t remember pages upon pages of raging about the fact that you can’t spend exactly what you want or get the exact amount of gems you want with real money. But I suppose I might have missed it.

Because using your credit card to buy is not the same as converting gold or jewels.

That sort of logic is a big mistake. The moment gold can be used to obtain something you can get with real money, those systems are linked in real ways with real ramifications. The design of each considers the other.

Actually not.

Credit card purchases are subject to minimum purchase amounts. Also it is a convenience to buy blocks of jewels.

The gem-gold, gold-gem conversion worked just fine, and apparently only ANET saw any problems with it’s functionality.

Don’t kid yourself. This is all about increasing revenue. That’s fine with me. What isn’t fine is the ridiculous excuses that we were subjected to.

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Posted by: Torinor.9521

Torinor.9521

I just wanted to add my vote behind the suggestion of allowing us to convert any number of gems within the newly designed interface. Thanks.

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Posted by: Liewec.2896

Liewec.2896

next week, Forum For Dummies!
“we’re removing the ability to type on the forums, it’s confusing new players,
however, if you slide some money across the table we will let you type again.
this change will benefit us all! comply COMPLY! COMPLY!

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Posted by: Wasbunny.6531

Wasbunny.6531

Not sure if this has already been posted but here is the TenTonHammer article covering what is now being referred to as ‘GemGate’:

http://www.tentonhammer.com/editorial/guild-wars-2-gemgate

~An intellectual says a simple thing in a hard way. An artist says a hard thing in a simple way.~

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Posted by: islarose.7356

islarose.7356

Pretty sure that’s the spike that comes with every major patch that offers new items, as well as the changes to the conversion options, forcing people to pay a minimum of 70-80 gold for gems, or another $10.

No. Also yes. But mainly no.

The spike is higher and steeper than any update ever. The reason is kind of because it’s patch day with a holiday content update. But it’s probably because the volume of Gold->Gem is way above what you could expect during this period.

The reason for that is why we’re posting here – players have a minimum Gold -> Gem purchase of 400 Gems. This baseline is obviously pushing Gems purchased by gold way above normality, given the trend we’re seeing.

It seems calculated to remove gold savings at record high gem costs to exhaust this stream. Once it has dried up sufficiently it’ll nudge players into using cash, along with the model they’ve adopted which has the same goal.

I know the purpose of this thread, I’ve gone a bit overboard in it, as you can see if you’ve read through it.

I am all for the transparency of the gem history graph, but I was unaware that the spike was more significant than any of the past holiday/major game updates (LS1, as LS2 seems to be less spiky). That said, I’m all for a fix for this issue – either a slider for precise amounts, or the reapplication of an input field (ideally, wherein we could change amounts for both gold and gems).

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Posted by: Inculpatus cedo.9234

Inculpatus cedo.9234

Looks like the fix may be here. New update. Hope the graph is there, or coming soon.

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Posted by: xarallei.4279

xarallei.4279

But it doesn’t work. Didn’t Microsoft scrap this very type of system because it was one big fail?

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Posted by: chemiclord.3978

chemiclord.3978

Don’t kid yourself. This is all about increasing revenue. That’s fine with me. What isn’t fine is the ridiculous excuses that we were subjected to.

You and I are a rare breed. It’s obvious that it’s hacked from the F2P mechanic that companies like Riot uses. But there’s no way Arena.net or any company would actually admit that (and why you get the excuses)… because they admit that, and you would see a rage upon these forums even WORSE than what we have now.

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Posted by: lordkrall.7241

lordkrall.7241

Looks like the fix may be here. New update. Hope the graph is there, or coming soon.

Not according to the patch notes.
And to be fair if they are doing more than simply reverting it (which I doubt they would do) it probably takes a bit more time than this.

Krall Bloodsword – Mesmer
Krall Peterson – Warrior
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Posted by: Kelthien.8593

Kelthien.8593

To me, this does feel like a poorly thought out cash grab, or a terribly designed/researched interface option. Or both!

SUGGESTIONS:
-Add a lower denomination of gems. If gems→gold start at 1 gold/8gems, then at the very least offer a comparable value as the smallest. 10 gems, 100 gems, 400 gems, 1200 gems. Given how many gem store items are available for fewer than 400 gems, a few much smaller denominations seem useful.

-Re-enable the previous conversion screen as an “Expert Mode” option, perhaps as a button on that same interface or even buried in the game’s user interface settings. Experiences users would get their old options back and new users could still experience the simplified window.