Linux and Mac OS in the future
Yes, people keep blaming macs gaming performance on, well, because they are macs. The only reason they do not do so for linux is because it has such a small user base, especially in gaming.
The problem is these emulation layers we keep getting. If we had a native port it would FLY. I would gladly put the specs of my mac against that used by the typical PC user any day.
Yes, people keep blaming macs gaming performance on, well, because they are macs. The only reason they do not do so for linux is because it has such a small user base, especially in gaming.
The problem is these emulation layers we keep getting. If we had a native port it would FLY. I would gladly put the specs of my mac against that used by the typical PC user any day.
Mac gamers are very small in gaming as well, typically below 5% of gamers. Considering they haven’t been making a native version of this game for Mac probably means it would be to expensive and not worth it for for them to port the game over to OpenGL.
The main issue is different for mac and for linux.
I’ll start with Linux.
Linux is seen as an OS, but essentially it is only a kernel.
You got several linux distributions using a kernel, a GUI, a file system and many other components. Although these distributions share a kernel and often other elements, they are different. That means that it is impossible to support a dedicated client for linux with garanteed support. The best they could do is an unsupported client.
As the potential playerbase on linux is small it is not likely.
For mac the issue is different. Macs are limited in hardware (not the quality, but the amount of choice you have). That is the main reason why the average gamer dislike the mac. They want to have more freedom on what hardware to use. So while the apple userbase has grown over the last years, among gamers it did not. within apple-users that is blamed on the lack of games. It is a bit of an egg or chicken discussion, but I strongly feel that the lack of choice in hardware is a main reason for it (I know it is for me the reason I have no interest in having an apple).
So both are not economical interesting to invest.
Specially now with F2P. They would make it just for free players (as there is no difference between an F2P client and paying customers client).
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Yes, people keep blaming macs gaming performance on, well, because they are macs. The only reason they do not do so for linux is because it has such a small user base, especially in gaming.
The problem is these emulation layers we keep getting. If we had a native port it would FLY. I would gladly put the specs of my mac against that used by the typical PC user any day.
What is your mac specs anyways?
Yes, people keep blaming macs gaming performance on, well, because they are macs. The only reason they do not do so for linux is because it has such a small user base, especially in gaming.
The problem is these emulation layers we keep getting. If we had a native port it would FLY. I would gladly put the specs of my mac against that used by the typical PC user any day.
Mac gamers are very small in gaming as well, typically below 5% of gamers. Considering they haven’t been making a native version of this game for Mac probably means it would be to expensive and not worth it for for them to port the game over to OpenGL.
That is not what I was saying. Simply that the ‘haw! haw! you have a mac! you will run bad!’ is not the fault of the mac. It is our client is really the PC client run under emulation.
Yes, we get shortchanged in the gpu department but I bought the biggest one apple sells for their consumer machines. Not that it makes a lot of difference, GW2 is cpu-bound, not GPU-bound.
For example, last night I was in a crowded boss fight. The person I was partied with reported a FPS in the single digits. Meanwhile I was in the 50s and get that everywhere. To be fair though, he was probably trying to keep his settings too high … a bug appeared in the mac client several years ago that forces us to keep graphics settings lower than everyone else.
Windows has a near monopoly on operating systems. Apple should sell their OS as a separate product. It’d be great if more companies produced operating systems without the flat, banal design scheme and useless resource hogs in the background. Apple has a much better interface (I’m not familiar with their newer ones though so they may be following the flat lazy design trend too) since they utilize more colors and details, but like someone else mentioned you don’t have any control over your hardware, and they’re overpriced. Want a new graphic card? Sorry, Mac doesn’t play that way.
Yes, people keep blaming macs gaming performance on, well, because they are macs. The only reason they do not do so for linux is because it has such a small user base, especially in gaming.
The problem is these emulation layers we keep getting. If we had a native port it would FLY. I would gladly put the specs of my mac against that used by the typical PC user any day.
What is your mac specs anyways?
3,5 GHz i7
24 GB DDR3 RAM
startup: 512 GB SSD (OWC Mercury extreme pro – 6G)
data disk: 3 GB HDD
nvidia GeForce GTX 780M (with 4 GB of memory)
4 GB time machine hourly backup, daily systems drive backup, another backup system too that I do not bother to use yet
usb3, thunderboilt, etc
I was going to go with a mac pro before they redid the design. I have been buying apples since the apple ][ and have only had one die on me … several years after the HDD fan broke. Most were around a couple decades before I recycled them.
Are custom-built gaming pcs faster? Sure, by definition you can put anything in them. Is it faster than the average non-custom PC people use for guild wars? You bet your kitty-cat it is.
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Windows has a near monopoly on operating systems. Apple should sell their OS as a separate product. It’d be great if more companies produced operating systems without the flat, banal design scheme and useless resource hogs in the background. Apple has a much better interface (I’m not familiar with their newer ones though so they may be following the flat lazy design trend too) since they utilize more colors and details, but like someone else mentioned you don’t have any control over your hardware, and they’re overpriced. Want a new graphic card? Sorry, Mac doesn’t play that way.
True, with macs your expandability is via the thunderbolt connection. Although that means external stuff and yet another cable. When I buy a new one, because of the fact they are essentially a sealed unit, I buy the machine I will want 5 years from now rather than what I will need today. For example, all the specs above are for a model that is almost 2 years old, when I am designing a mac to get I turn up almost all the knobs to the max. I have a machine with as good (better in some ways) specs here as I followed the same philosophy on my spouse’s machine and that one is the current model.
Have you thought about moving to an SSD? Projections say their prices will rival HDD’s next year and with Cannonlake all the bus kinks for PCIe SSDs should be worked out, making them objectively better than the bottlenecked SATA III SSDs. PCIe busses weren’t meant to accommodate a data storage medium, but since PCIe SSDs are out they’re working on it.
Have you thought about moving to an SSD? Projections say their prices will rival HDD’s next year and with Cannonlake all the bus kinks for PCIe SSDs should be worked out, making them objectively better than the bottlenecked SATA III SSDs. PCIe busses weren’t meant to accommodate a data storage medium, but since PCIe SSDs are out they’re working on it.
I am guessing you did not read my specs fully (edted them to clarify). My system stuff, caches, and applications (except for huge ones) ARE on my ssd. I have multiple drives.
No, it is not one of those fusion drives either. It is a top-of-the-line third-party SSD connected via the USB3 bus. After doing some research, a usb3 rivals the speed of thunderbolt1 (which is slightly faster depends on who you ask), my other interface option, and I only use the rest of the usb bus for things like mice and my phone.
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