Guild Wars 2

Maingear Shift. Tri SLI 780ti’s (3), Intel i7 3.6ghz liquid cooled Processor. Asus Essence sound. In game settings set at max. Please note frame-rates are reduced by at least half when uploading to youtube.

What’s the purpose of this thread?

Just out of curiosity, can you do video on 100 vs 100 fight in WvW and show FPS?

The way this game handle SLI and CrossFire is terrible, with a setup like that you should be getting much better performance. Just a comparison, my cheap 7870 OC’ed x2 (crossfire) gets me a 25-40 with everything ultra in Lion’s arch. You should be getting into the 100 with what you got.

Rod.6581:

Just out of curiosity, can you do video on 100 vs 100 fight in WvW and show FPS?

Unfortunately, good GPU don’t improve much toward number of objects. Generally CPU determine how well you don’t lag in massive battles.

He need to OC his CPU with nitrogen or something to make this thread matter.

I thought GW2 doesn’t even use SLI.

And AFAIK this game is so heavily cpu intensive that graphics cards up to a point don’t help.

FpS allways annoyed me… I can buy what ever I want, play at low quality still just 50~ … I don’t know why >_> However it’s 50 at highest quality too so … wtf

Yeah, GW2 is more CPU heavy than GPU.
An overclocked CPU would rise much more the performance than adding an extra GPU to your SLI/Xfire system, not even using multi processor MoBo would help much since GW2 doesn’t handle well multiple cores, that is why AMD CPUs doesn’t work nicely here.

I’m still waiting for someone to post a video where they are in Lions Arch during peak hours and get 50-60fps and see what settings they’re using and their rig.

Wintersday introduced some horrendous frame drops in Lions Arch as well, especially at the steps between the bridge to Grand Piazza and the Traders Forum.

It’s amazing how oddly optimized this game is and how there is this stonewall of silence about it.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/tech/Low-FPS-and-nVidia-employee-response

I believe this post more and more with every update and patch.

I cant get sli to work in gw2, i get lines and a flicker, idk what the cards are all i know is the pc is republic of gamers asus.

@Rod.6581 Sure thing. I’ll try and give it ascot, however, Im on Kaineng…….lol.

Looks the same as my single card 660 that runs the game on max settings.

@Trice.4598, Yes I must say I am disappointed myself, as this is probably the game I play most atm. Unfortunately, whether you have one card or quad sli, Guild wars 2 is not on Nvidia’s list, nor does Nvidia offer optimization settings for it. I hope ArenaNet will address this.

pulupulu.9730:

Rod.6581:

Just out of curiosity, can you do video on 100 vs 100 fight in WvW and show FPS?

Unfortunately, good GPU don’t improve much toward number of objects. Generally CPU determine how well you don’t lag in massive battles.

He need to OC his CPU with nitrogen or something to make this thread matter.

My system is fully stock atm. I may over clock it in the future. But I have the high end i7, and guild wars never pushes it pass 34% (highest I can remember seeing).

MrDmajor.7084:

I’m still waiting for someone to post a video where they are in Lions Arch during peak hours and get 50-60fps and see what settings they’re using and their rig.

Wintersday introduced some horrendous frame drops in Lions Arch as well, especially at the steps between the bridge to Grand Piazza and the Traders Forum.

It’s amazing how oddly optimized this game is and how there is this stonewall of silence about it.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/tech/Low-FPS-and-nVidia-employee-response

I believe this post more and more with every update and patch.

I find it hard to believe, that on max settings in GW2, I get less FPS than I get in other games on Max settings that I consider more demanding (BF4, Eve Online full fleet battle, Crysis 3, Farcry, and, and in some cases even 3Dmark firefight on extreme mode gives better results. This PC, non over clocked has a 10800-11,500 rating!

Xfile.3598:

MrDmajor.7084:

I’m still waiting for someone to post a video where they are in Lions Arch during peak hours and get 50-60fps and see what settings they’re using and their rig.

Wintersday introduced some horrendous frame drops in Lions Arch as well, especially at the steps between the bridge to Grand Piazza and the Traders Forum.

It’s amazing how oddly optimized this game is and how there is this stonewall of silence about it.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/tech/Low-FPS-and-nVidia-employee-response

I believe this post more and more with every update and patch.

I find it hard to believe, that on max settings in GW2, I get less FPS than I get in other games on Max settings that I consider more demanding (BF4, Eve Online full fleet battle, Crysis 3, Farcry, and, and in some cases even 3Dmark firefight on extreme mode gives better results. This PC, non over clocked has a 10800-11,500 rating!

Well this is an MMO where there could be thousands of different things happening at the same time on your screen. I think overall it’s more complex than Crysis 3 and let alone Eve Online when you factor both the graphics + other animations going on.

mesme.5028:

I cant get sli to work in gw2, i get lines and a flicker, idk what the cards are all i know is the pc is republic of gamers asus.

This is common, do not worry. Its the games fault and not yours. If you disable SLI and use just one card (for me its right click desktop > Nvidia Control Panel > Manage SLI configuration), yours is probably an Asus card/control panel, all your flickering will disappear. The game will run better on one card that on 3. I get the flickering while in sli on characters avatars while in party/squad. I go to one card and there is ZERO flickering. Many others have experienced this on other forums, and GW2 simply does not support SLI, and considering that the game is a year old, its disappointing.

To fix this issue, or at least have a better result as you can see in the vid there was no flickering, I used NvidiaInspector, and used the following settings:

http://www.guru3d.com/files_details/nvidia_inspector_download.html

1. Download + Extract + Open Inspector and click the little tool icon.
2. Search for Guild Wars 2
3. Change SLI Compatibility Bits (DX1x) to FarCry 3 Blood Dragon, FarCry 3
4. Click Apply and start the game.

While it is not a full fix, it does improve. This is what other users on their forums tried.

Vol.7601:

Xfile.3598:

MrDmajor.7084:

I’m still waiting for someone to post a video where they are in Lions Arch during peak hours and get 50-60fps and see what settings they’re using and their rig.

Wintersday introduced some horrendous frame drops in Lions Arch as well, especially at the steps between the bridge to Grand Piazza and the Traders Forum.

It’s amazing how oddly optimized this game is and how there is this stonewall of silence about it.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/tech/Low-FPS-and-nVidia-employee-response

I believe this post more and more with every update and patch.

I find it hard to believe, that on max settings in GW2, I get less FPS than I get in other games on Max settings that I consider more demanding (BF4, Eve Online full fleet battle, Crysis 3, Farcry, and, and in some cases even 3Dmark firefight on extreme mode gives better results. This PC, non over clocked has a 10800-11,500 rating!

Well this is an MMO where there could be thousands of different things happening at the same time on your screen. I think overall it’s more complex than Crysis 3 and let alone Eve Online when you factor both the graphics + other animations going on.

Very true, at ultra settings and all character models on highest setting, the game does have a lot to do in regards to texturing, shading/shadows etc. I wouldn’t argue with what you said.

The game runs badly in some locations no matter what setting it’s on though. That’s the crazy part. Before anybody chimes in with the typical horse kitten of “it works fine for me”, with all due respect… please youtube it w/ fps and explain your rig and settings.

There are Fractals and parts of fractals where the game goes to complete kitten for no good reason.

Seeing a video like this, I don’t feel so bad about how my AMD machine runs, lol.

MrDmajor.7084:

The game runs badly in some locations no matter what setting it’s on though. That’s the crazy part. Before anybody chimes in with the typical horse kitten of “it works fine for me”, with all due respect… please youtube it w/ fps and explain your rig and settings.

There are Fractals and parts of fractals where the game goes to complete kitten for no good reason.

I know how you feel about fractals, having been fractals lover for a while. Ascalon, comes to mind.

Another example would be standing in calecdon forest, or troll cave in Queensdale. You are the only player on screen (less npc’s and grubs lol), your fps is at 60 (for some reason fraps does not go higher than gw2 as its does in other games (+100 bf4 as an ex.). turn the camera (mouse), and you get the lag where my fps dips to the 40’s and and I get a few “sticky frames”.

Xfile.3598:

Maingear Shift. Tri SLI 780ti’s (3), Intel i7 3.6ghz liquid cooled Processor. Asus Essence sound. In game settings set at max. Please note frame-rates are reduced by at least half when uploading to youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ6xFO-viZY

>3.6 ghz

There is your problem. Check your CPU load while running around in LA, it’ll be probably at around 100% which means your CPU bottlenecks.

I see people stating that the game is CPU bound/limited all the time and this somewhat mystifies me. My system is running an Intel 3770K (not overclocked), 32 GB of memory, and an Nvidia Titan graphics card. I have a 30" display running at 2560×1600 resolution. I also run max settings on everything. Yet when I run the task manager in performance mode (on a 2nd display) it doesn’t indicate anywhere neer 100% cpu utilization. Indeed, it’s more like 30% on four of its logical cpus (threads).

When in Lion’s Arch I usually get in the neighborhood of 30 fps. Not great, but acceptable.

bob.5680:

I see people stating that the game is CPU bound/limited all the time and this somewhat mystifies me. My system is running an Intel 3770K (not overclocked), 32 GB of memory, and an Nvidia Triton graphics card. I have a 30" display running at 2560×1600 resolution. I also run max settings on everything. Yet when I run the task manager in performance mode (on a 2nd display) it doesn’t indicate anywhere neer 100% cpu utilization. Indeed, it’s more like 30% on four of its logical cpus (threads).

When in Lion’s Arch I usually get in the neighborhood of 30 fps. Not great, but acceptable.

It is not that GW2 makes your CPU loaded all the time, the thing is that GW2 have a higher cap for CPU and a much lower cap for GPU for its performance .
In other words, a SLI system with 3 high end video cards is very likely to give the same result as a single high end video card, but if he get a better CPU power/clock (by a new one or overclocking) he’ll get visible improvements in most of the cases.

GW2 handles SLI terribly. Just a few knows know bugs that are not addressed since release
- glitched flickering party frames
- client crash in WvW/world boss fights

Its a shame that i had to disable SLI due to those bugs

bob.5680:

I see people stating that the game is CPU bound/limited all the time and this somewhat mystifies me. My system is running an Intel 3770K (not overclocked), 32 GB of memory, and an Nvidia Triton graphics card. I have a 30" display running at 2560×1600 resolution. I also run max settings on everything. Yet when I run the task manager in performance mode (on a 2nd display) it doesn’t indicate anywhere neer 100% cpu utilization. Indeed, it’s more like 30% on four of its logical cpus (threads).

When in Lion’s Arch I usually get in the neighborhood of 30 fps. Not great, but acceptable.

Well I can assure you the graphics card isn’t responsible for 30fps in LA, because I have a much weaker card (GTX 660) and I get 30FPS on max settings in LA.

It’s a problem with their engine, not our hardware. The most CPU utilization I have seen on my i5 is around 50%, so I’m not sure exactly where the bottleneck would be other than the processor somehow under heavy load when I haven’t monitored it.

MMO’s are based on CPUs not GPUs

I have a GTX 580 and a i5-3570 @ 4.5Ghz, which is the best CPU in the world for GW2 (+/-1%) for reasons that only a true gaming technician would understand. And I get about 50FPS in LA on everything completely maxed at 1920×1080 with forced 4x SSAA and 2X SGAA Alpha.
Naturally, like everyone else in this game, even with the thread running at 4.5Ghz, the primary game thread maxes out it’s associated core, and caps FPS.
You don’t need Tri 780’s to get there. You just need a beast CPU.

Toroxus.9256:

I have a GTX 580 and a i5-3570 @ 4.5Ghz, which is the best CPU in the world for GW2 (+/-1%) for reasons that only a true gaming technician would understand. And I get about 50FPS in LA on everything completely maxed at 1920×1080 with forced 4x SSAA and 2X SGAA Alpha.

You don’t need Tri 780’s to get there. You just need a beast CPU.

I’ve been trying to get my FPS over 30 in large zergs. I have a GTX 780 and an overclocked i5 2500k @ 4.4 Ghz. Do you think I should upgrade my cpu? Perhaps I haven’t done enough overclocking (all I changed was the clock and not the voltage since I didn’t need to)

The game will never run well. Ever. Unless we get a CPU running stable at about 6ghz, the game will run the same for it’s longevity. There was a post from a dev about 5 months ago or so regarding performance and that it would be looked at. It hasn’t. I, as well as many others have given up.

Vol, don’t waste your money getting an upgrade. Your CPU is fine. The game cant handle the content and ALL cpu’s will eventually bottleneck.

Games is optimized terrible. Even with my 2600k@4.5Ghz I often run into the CPU limits.

Corpus Christi.2057:

What’s the purpose of this thread?

To show how this game needs a super computer to run it on max quality, and still is not graphically good as some other games we have that doesn’t require that much to be beautiful

kokiman.2364:

Xfile.3598:

Maingear Shift. Tri SLI 780ti’s (3), Intel i7 3.6ghz liquid cooled Processor. Asus Essence sound. In game settings set at max. Please note frame-rates are reduced by at least half when uploading to youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ6xFO-viZY

>3.6 ghz

There is your problem. Check your CPU load while running around in LA, it’ll be probably at around 100% which means your CPU bottlenecks.

Processor: Intel® CoreT i7 4960X Six-core 3.6GHz/4.0GHz Turbo 15MB L3 Cache w/
HyperThreading

Stormcrow.7513:

Vol, don’t waste your money getting an upgrade. Your CPU is fine. The game cant handle the content and ALL cpu’s will eventually bottleneck.

I agree, save your money for a new CPU when Anet fixes the problem. When they do, if ever, you could buy a nice rig.

Toroxus.9256:

I have a GTX 580 and a i5-3570 @ 4.5Ghz, which is the best CPU in the world for GW2 (+/-1%) for reasons that only a true gaming technician would understand. And I get about 50FPS in LA on everything completely maxed at 1920×1080 with forced 4x SSAA and 2X SGAA Alpha.
Naturally, like everyone else in this game, even with the thread running at 4.5Ghz, the primary game thread maxes out it’s associated core, and caps FPS.
You don’t need Tri 780’s to get there. You just need a beast CPU.

Standing still or while turning you toon right and left. I get those frame rates, until I start moving my toon. but Thanks, the caps on fps makes sense.

I am curious, Xfile, is your hyper threading (bios setting) on or off?

i would like to see a comparison of hyper threading on vs off in heavily populated area.

I have heard some games actually get worse performance with hyper threading on.

pulupulu.9730:

I am curious, Xfile, is your hyper threading (bios setting) on or off?

i would like to see a comparison of hyper threading on vs off in heavily populated area.

I have heard some games actually get worse performance with hyper threading on.

This game can’t use HT, thus turning it on is actually worse for your performance since 2 threads could get allocated by HT to the same core. 4 Cores is the best bet for GW2, and 99% of all games today and in the foreseeable future.

HT is good, W7 is smart enough to allocate the stuff. Think of all the programs who run in the background besides GW2.

Malediktus.9250:

HT is good, W7 is smart enough to allocate the stuff. Think of all the programs who run in the background besides GW2.

Yeah, and think about all those programs, which should be none in terms of those that use CPU power, trying to get processing time from a core already processing the game. HT is NOT good when it comes to programs, like 99.9% of games, that use 4 or less threads at a time. All HTing will do, is load another thread onto a core that is already processing a thread from the game.
It has never been shown that HTing a 4 core processor improves the performance of 4-thread programs (like games). And, unless you control where threads go manually, it can seriously destroy performance at times.

Did a vid on Frost Maw, this time, overclocked to 4ghz.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/community/links/Frost-Maw-in-Tri-SLI