Logic in the heroes of the revenant?

Logic in the heroes of the revenant?

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Posted by: Squirrel.6318

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Is there any lore reason or logical reason why Revenants don’t summon more… “heroic” heroes from the mists?

Like the heroes of GW1, there’s so many. Gwen, Rurik, Mhenlo, Master Togo, Nika… so much more.

Or if has to be racial then. Vekk, Jora, Gwen, Pyre Fierceshot, Ventari…

I just think the potential of “legendary figures from the mists” was tremendous… could have been a huge thank you to us GW1 players, with that legendary nostalagia. Imagine seeing Gwen or Master Togo again. Razah would have been perfect, literally born from the Mists.

Like Mallyx doesn’t make sense for me, why would Mallyx help us?

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Posted by: Gomes.5643

Gomes.5643

Like the heroes of GW1, there’s so many. Gwen, Rurik, Mhenlo, Master Togo, Nika… so much more.

Or if has to be racial then. Vekk, Jora, Gwen, Pyre Fierceshot, Ventari

Fully agree, exspecially Ventari deserves his place as a legen……. oh wait .

Mallyx is “helping” us, because he has no other choice. The lore behind the renevants is that they basically can enslave any soul they like.

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Posted by: Illconceived Was Na.9781

Illconceived Was Na.9781

Revenants channel the powers of Legends, not heroes (and in any case, “heroes” were an accident of which NPCs we could choose as customizeable companions).

And I wouldn’t want to channel most of those named by the OP: Rurik killed himself for no reason, endangering the future of Humans in Kryta. Gwen was a cute kid, but a horribly angry young adult.

Further, they aren’t helping us in any sort of direct way. It’s more like an actor thinking of Nicholson or a wrestler imagining “what would Hogan do”. The revenant is invoking the spirit. Otherwise, we’d have to believe that Jalis exists in 20 different spots on every borderland.

John Smith: “you should kill monsters, because killing monsters is awesome.”

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The lore isn’t fully fleshed out yet (a lot of it pinned on Rytlock’s trip to the mist), but essentially Revenants make a deal with Legendary beings in exchange for tapping their power. Its also heavily implied that a Rev can hear most of them talking, sometimes arguing with each other…. and it takes a fair amount of disciple to sort through them.

Rytlock is the first Rev to use this particular type of magic, despite there a being functionally similar precedent with the Ritutalist. Rits communed with the spirit world in general, which includes mist energy…. but it was mostly with lesser beings, or those with Ancestral ties to Cantha who willingly offer their help. As far as the story is concerned, Rytlock currently represents something like a Prime Revenant….. the “liaison” between the Mist heroes and Tyria. Technically its because hes the only Revenant to officially exist at the moment. Its only been through his efforts that the Legendary figures offer their cooperation. And judging by some dialog, a few of them aren’t entirely happy with the arrangement.

As to why there are so few?…… Revenant’s class structure uses each legend to design a Specialization theme around. This limits them to 1 trait line, one set of utility skills, and favors a specific weapon. As of HOT, when Revs were introduced, each class only had 6 Specializations….. 5 core, and 1 Elite spec. With PoF, each class gets an additional Espec… and will be the pattern for each expansion.

With PoF, Revs are getting “Renegade”, enlisting the help of Kalla Scorchrazor (descended from Pyre Fierceshot). Being famous in Guildwars isn’t really enough to qualify as a Mist Legend; as apparently the way the Mists resonate with reality has the strongest echos in spikes of magical energy, or collectively large emotional energy surrounding specific events. Strong personalities tend to retain them when they pass into the mists… but those who pass during such events seem to be further empowered by it. If you read the plaque on Kalla’s memorial in Black Citadel, you can get an idea of why she made it as a Mist Legend.

Mallyx was a General of Abbadon, and almost ascended to his throne after the God fell. Already residing in the mists when he was defeated by Heroes of Guldwars 1, its presumed he was imprisoned by the Forgotten in the realm of Torment. Its unclear how he would get access to Mallyx if his prison was guarded….. so it could be an indication of a weakened state of the God’s military forces, or he was given access by his Keepers. Either way, its clear that Mallyx was enlisted by force.

Glint on the other hand is obviously willing to help, as was Jalis and Ventari.

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