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Hey, so i think most of us can agree that the reward you get from completing a jumping puzzle after you have completed it the first time (achievement) sucks. But of course its a bad idea to only increase the reward without fixing some of the current issues of jumping puzzles.

So let me suggest that first of all mesmer portals in JPs are blocked, it shouldnt be any problem since Anet managed to block gliding, do the same but for portals. Also there is the issue of people having alts logged out at the end of JPs, so you could do a similar thing here, if you log out within the no gliding/no portal zone you get automatically put at the start of the JP when you log back in again.

As for the reward i’m not completely sure, but we could discuss that in this thread, how much should the reward be increased to make JPs worthwhile? Could be diffrent reward depending on how long the JP is or could be something standardized like 1 guaranteed rare for every JP/daily.

Thanks for reading and feel free to make your own suggestions, lets make JP’s great again!

No thanks. Tired of others trying to take things away. Trying to make PVE parking an issue when there really isn’t an issue.

Is this another one of those I want people to suffer because they took away crafting in WvW threads? The other thread got deleted after about 10 or so posts.

i think the current chests are fine. Making them too good will lead to farming them and people doing the JPs for the chest rewards and not because they like to do JPs.

And the “issues” you’ve described aren’t issues if they’ve been a feature of the game for almost 4 years now and the Devs haven’t said a word against them. You not liking something isn’t the same as it being an issue.

Why should portals be blocked? Hell personally I use my portal mainly not for other people but in case I think I’m about to make a series of jumps where I will screw up and fall. Is it cheating to use one of my utility skills to get around that? No. That’s what its there for, utility.

As to the rewards issue. Well if you guys really do want better rewards then I guess you could have a few JQ be like the one in SW where you have to get to the checkpoints, the more checkpoints you go to the better rewards (probably more chests available), so that if you park there you don’t get as many rewards. But I really don’t see PvE parking as an issue in the first place so….

I feel Jumping Puzzles are fine as they are. I’m afraid I can’t agree with your suggestions.

I can’t say I’ve heard too many complaints about the state of Jumping Puzzles. Players either seem to like them, or stay away from them as it is not their cup of tea. Changing the rewards would likely benefit those that already like JPs, and just irritate those that don’t, as they might feel obligated to partake in content they dislike.

Nothing wrong with getting a little help from your friends (Mesmers) in life (or games), as well.

Honestly, after all the jumping puzzles and their monthly requirements of the past, I hope never to do another one again.

How would this make “JPs great again?” It actually asks ANet to do something that has never been in the game before — JP rewards are somewhat better now because the value of the items that can drop has gone up.

Regardless, what difference does it make to you if some people use a portal and some don’t? The rewards are meant to be modest, so that it won’t matter much how people get there. Portals turn what could be a solitary activity (like adventures are) into something a group can do together.

Or in other words, those who think that jumping puzzles should be finished without using portals should, you know, just not take a portal when offered.

JPs were never great in this game. Clunky controls and dreadful camera angles.
I only do them when they are on daily and there is a portal. The reward is fine.

I thought this would be a thread where you ask for good JPs to come back since HoT offered almost none. I revisited some of the old ones cause of dailies this week and I got so hit by nostalgia cause I didn’t visit them in a long long time.

Some of the puzzles are so amazing and I remember all the great times I had when a group of friends and I explored them first. Hell I remember refreshing various JP pages on the internet back on release to see if some new was discovered. They were so much fun back in the day. One of my favorite places of entertainment.

You say “Make JP great again” but mesmers have always been able to use Portal Entre on jumping puzzles. Mesmer portals are not ruining Jumping Puzzles since the only people who are affected by them are the people who use them.

Same with the character parking issue: there is not issue. I have a mesmer park at Portmatt’s Lab. I spent 800 gems (which I bought with IRL money) to make that character, levelled him. When he got to 80, I parked him there. I won’t use that character again until the next time it’s a ‘Daily Portmatt’s Jumping Puzzle’ to help others get their dailies. If you want to do that JP legit, you’re welcome to. I won’t force you into using my portal.

penelopehannibal.8947:

You say “Make JP great again” but mesmers have always been able to use Portal Entre on jumping puzzles. Mesmer portals are not ruining Jumping Puzzles since the only people who are affected by them are the people who use them.

Same with the character parking issue: there is not issue. I have a mesmer park at Portmatt’s Lab. I spent 800 gems (which I bought with IRL money) to make that character, levelled him. When he got to 80, I parked him there. I won’t use that character again until the next time it’s a ‘Daily Portmatt’s Jumping Puzzle’ to help others get their dailies. If you want to do that JP legit, you’re welcome to. I won’t force you into using my portal.

+ 1 It seems the OP has more of an issue with other players using a legitimate in game mechanic and wants to restrict its’ use for all because he doesn’t personally like it. It has no impact on him or the game.
JPs have many more issues that could be addressed but portals aren’t one of them.

Blude.6812:

+ 1 It seems the OP has more of an issue with other players using a legitimate in game mechanic and wants to restrict its’ use for all because he doesn’t personally like it. It has no impact on him or the game.
JPs have many more issues that could be addressed but portals aren’t one of them.

Oh yeah, I just remembered as you replied – I also use that character for Guild Trek if Portmatt’s comes up as one of the targets.

This game is not jump friendly. Your sight pops in, out, up, down, extremely frustrating, not to mention your character jumps like a one legged pregnant duck.

Follyfoot.2803:

This game is not jump friendly. Your sight pops in, out, up, down, extremely frustrating, not to mention your character jumps like a one legged pregnant duck.

Ducks lay eggs…

One of the best things about jumping puzzles is that they’re optional.

People like me who enjoy them can do them as often as we like. I’ll usually do them any time I’m in the area and if I’m doing the daily I’ll almost certainly do the jumping puzzle one.

Meanwhile people who don’t like them can safely ignore them the vast majority of the time. Very occasionally there’s an item that cannot be obtained another way (usually something like part of a legendary collection) but for the most part the rewards are negligible so there’s no pressure to do them unless you want to.

And if you really struggle you can get a friend to help you, which to my mind is a fundamental part of playing a multi-player game.

You’re suggesting taking away that option to have help, and increasing the rewards which will put pressure on people to do jumping puzzles. Neither of these sounds like fun to me, I can guarantee they’d make a lot of people unhappy.

And for what? What’s the benefit?

I can only speak for myself of course but as someone who likes jumping puzzles the motivation for me is that I enjoy doing them. I couldn’t care less what I get out of the chest so it doesn’t bother me if it’s not amazing. I had fun doing the puzzle and that’s what’s important. Other people I’ve spoken to who like doing the puzzles are the same.

I can’t imagine any group of players who would benefit from this change.

Ardenwolfe.8590:

Honestly, after all the jumping puzzles and their monthly requirements of the past, I hope never to do another one again.

To each his own. I miss monthly achievements.

I say this as a person who loves doing jumping puzzles: I don’t care if people get portals to the end, and I don’t think it needs to be changed.

RoseofGilead.8907:

I say this as a person who loves doing jumping puzzles: I don’t care if people get portals to the end, and I don’t think it needs to be changed.

Agree. I refuse to use portals though.

Using a portal to the end of a JP should not award absolutely anything.

Mes should still be able to use ports to as a tool to actually do the JP by himself or with a party.. but straight up teleporting to the very end of a JP should not be a thing.

Vova.2640:

Using a portal to the end of a JP should not award absolutely anything.

Mes should still be able to use ports to as a tool to actually do the JP by himself or with a party.. but straight up teleporting to the very end of a JP should not be a thing.

It’s been a thing for about 4 years, if it is not your thing, then don’t take a portal and do the puzzle yourself.

Keep the rewards as they are for people who port to the end or camp in them, I think it is fine. BUT, I think the chest should give a better reward to people who actualy does the challenge of jumping the puzzle.

It could be done very easily by simply putting flags you have to pass by, like in the Guild Runs.

Also, please, add a title for people who have done every one of the JP in the game world. It IS an achievement, much more than just killing a random champion spawning out of RNG.

Jumping Puzzles are fine as is. They would be fine even if the reward was increased. The mechanics have been in game for 4 years. OP simply wants to make the game harder for people for the sake of making it harder, so they can feel some sort of superiority.

I think JPs should either have nothing blocked on them (gliding, portals, etc) or nothing at all.

penelopehannibal.8947:

I have a mesmer park at Portmatt’s Lab. I spent 800 gems (which I bought with IRL money) to make that character, levelled him. When he got to 80, I parked him there. I won’t use that character again until the next time it’s a ‘Daily Portmatt’s Jumping Puzzle’ to help others get their dailies.

That’s clever! We had a guild trek recently and that jp turns out to be a trek spot – and a really annoying one. It sucks to solve that jp under a time limit when your guild is depending on you. I’ll have to look at parking there.

Vova.2640:

Using a portal to the end of a JP should not award absolutely anything.
Mes should still be able to use ports to as a tool to actually do the JP by himself or with a party.. but straight up teleporting to the very end of a JP should not be a thing.

What you’re overlooking, amongst many other good reasons for portals, is fellow guildies who don’t have the confidence to do a jp the first time. You portal them up, they get a reward, it takes the pressure off them and they attempt the jp again themselves. Their pride demands it. And they solve it themselves. Portals aren’t evil. They’re just another learning tool.

And @Radiobiology – the only thing jps need to make them greater (not great again since they’re fine as they are) is more jps. Many, many more jps. With interesting mechanics that take creative thought to solve, rather than brute force trial and error. With Indiana Jones style traps that require split second timing. And – a personal wish – I prefer jps without monsters to fight. There’s enough fighting everywhere else in the game. I’d prefer jps with challenging environmental scenarios. Just my 2 coppers.

penelopehannibal.8947:

Follyfoot.2803:

This game is not jump friendly. Your sight pops in, out, up, down, extremely frustrating, not to mention your character jumps like a one legged pregnant duck.

Ducks lay eggs…

THAT’S HOW AWKWARD THE JUMPING IS! A pregnant duck is completely confused about its body mechanics, and so is a jumping GW2 character (Though the jump animation is absolutely great, especially on charr)

Radiobiology.6185:

So let me suggest that first of all mesmer portals in JPs are blocked

Also, I’m curious if you’ve finished all the jps in the game? Without using portals on any of them?

Sartharina.3542:

penelopehannibal.8947:

Follyfoot.2803:

This game is not jump friendly. Your sight pops in, out, up, down, extremely frustrating, not to mention your character jumps like a one legged pregnant duck.

Ducks lay eggs…

THAT’S HOW AWKWARD THE JUMPING IS! A pregnant duck is completely confused about its body mechanics, and so is a jumping GW2 character (Though the jump animation is absolutely great, especially on charr)

Jumping is made even worse by the fact that gravity in Tyria seems only half that of the real world, so rather than being 15 stone of pure muscle and toe nails, your a feather in the wind.

Jumping puzzles arnt fine atm because of the camera occlusion problem which occurs in tight spaces with Charrs and Norns.
This problem needs to be fixed before anything else is done.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

And the “issues” you’ve described aren’t issues if they’ve been a feature of the game for almost 4 years now and the Devs haven’t said a word against them. You not liking something isn’t the same as it being an issue.

first of all: I agree that they are indeed fine as they are.
But saying the issues he described aren’t issues BECAUSE they are featured in the game for almost 4 years is obviously nonsense. :P There’s many questionable issues that have been changed after 4 years where developers haven’t said a word against but changed them anyway.

I would say that probably some developers wouldn’t mind seeing portals go. Plus some of their efforts with new jumping puzzles only show that they actively try to design around portals via checkpoints and such. Or maybe even put it in an entirely different portal free environment. (/coughSAB/cough)

So even though I agree that it’s really not much of an issue, not changing something because it’s been in the game for so long isn’t a reason to not change it, and it doesn’t dictate it isn’t an issue. Especially as multiple people have pointed out over the years that portal is in fact making it possible to “exploit”/ circumvent the whole jumping puzzle.

Then again, people already started with “you only want to make us suffer”. Which I find pretty much equal to crying about people wanting better obstacles on an obstacle course. Pretty sad imo, considering it’s a game. It’s basically the point to be hindered by such things.

And yet the Devs spoke about portals and Jumping Puzzles, and gave their blessing.

Truly, no one has to use a portal should they feel it does not suit their gaming style. Why demand others play only as another’s preferred gaming style?

It’s just advocating non-shortcut ways to their own favourite content
Some people really like jumping puzzles, so they want their content to have some prestige to it. To show off that they are really good at it while not feeling they did it the “hard way” without actually getting more out of it.

It’s not that people demand that people play their preferred gaming style, it’s more that they demand that their favourite content isn’t cheapened by skipping the entire content.

I can imagine many other examples where people don’t like their favourite content being cheapened. (Legendaries, certain rare materials being made less rare, raids, guild halls, etc) Mostly because they put in the effort.

It’s just that portal is a nice way of helping another player. Which is way more valuable that the “prestige” of actually doing the jumping puzzle.

FrizzFreston.5290:

It’s not that people demand that people play their preferred gaming style, it’s more that they demand that their favourite content isn’t cheapened by skipping the entire content.

That’s a distinction that makes no difference. Other players don’t get to “demand” that I share their definition of value. One of my favorite activities — helping friends & strangers by porting — would be removed (not just cheapened) if these demands were met.

Everyone’s entitled to an opinion. No one’s entitled to impose that opinion on others. “Make jumping puzzles great again” does exactly that, by imposing a definition of ‘great’ that doesn’t apply to this game.

My little asura and I love jumping puzzles. I really don’t care if others use portals, but I never use them myself as I always feel more satisfied that I completed the puzzle without help.

It is really getting tiresome to see people trying to take things away and change things and fix things that don’t need fixing!

PVE parking doesn’t affect you if you don’t like it, don’t do it. If you don’t want to use portals don’t! It is really that simple.

Its obviously completely unreasonable that you need to do the jumping puzzle each time to get the reward from it. /sarc

Play the content to get the rewards.

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

And yet the Devs spoke about portals and Jumping Puzzles, and gave their blessing.

Truly, no one has to use a portal should they feel it does not suit their gaming style. Why demand others play only as another’s preferred gaming style?

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

FrizzFreston.5290:

It’s not that people demand that people play their preferred gaming style, it’s more that they demand that their favourite content isn’t cheapened by skipping the entire content.

That’s a distinction that makes no difference. Other players don’t get to “demand” that I share their definition of value. One of my favorite activities — helping friends & strangers by porting — would be removed (not just cheapened) if these demands were met.

Everyone’s entitled to an opinion. No one’s entitled to impose that opinion on others. “Make jumping puzzles great again” does exactly that, by imposing a definition of ‘great’ that doesn’t apply to this game.

I don’t see any demanding of thinking the same as OP nor any imposing of any opinions. I just see a difference in opinion. One against portals and one for portals.

FrizzFreston.5290:

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

FrizzFreston.5290:

It’s not that people demand that people play their preferred gaming style, it’s more that they demand that their favourite content isn’t cheapened by skipping the entire content.

That’s a distinction that makes no difference. Other players don’t get to “demand” that I share their definition of value. One of my favorite activities — helping friends & strangers by porting — would be removed (not just cheapened) if these demands were met.

Everyone’s entitled to an opinion. No one’s entitled to impose that opinion on others. “Make jumping puzzles great again” does exactly that, by imposing a definition of ‘great’ that doesn’t apply to this game.

I don’t see any demanding of thinking the same as OP nor any imposing of any opinions. I just see a difference in opinion. One against portals and one for portals.

I see give or take 2 people being all noisy about a non issue. I see threads purposefully directed at changing JP’s and PVE parking because crafting nodes were removed from WvW. Trying to create issues where there were none. Why don’t you all just go on back about your business?

The Op expresses two aspects to his suggestion: (1) more/better rewards for JP completion; and (2) eliminating use of portals. He seems to believe that there is a connection between the two aspects. By this, I mean that he seems to think ANet will not buff JP rewards unless they also make it impossible to bypass some or all of whatever challenge the JP possesses.

I don’t believe that the history of rewards in GW2 supports that assumption. JP chests award greens and blues. ANet changes to reward structures, except the guaranteed rare from meta events, consist of throwing more greens and blues at players, often for equivalent or less effort. Without knowing exactly what the increased rewards might be, it’s not possible to say that any change by Anet would be anything more than an incremental increase to salvage bait.

My guess is that any attempt to buff rewards will be met by the same indifference the forums have shown to other attempts to buff rewards. I see this as another needless waste of dev time and resources to revamp legacy systems. There’s been way too much revamping and way too little new, and I believe that has to change for the good of the game as a whole.

DoctorDing.5890:

JPs were never great in this game. Clunky controls and dreadful camera angles.
I only do them when they are on daily and there is a portal. The reward is fine.

That’s about accurate for me too. What counts as a ‘climbable’ ledge and what doesn’t feels utterly up to chance. Jumps that are jump-then-move are baffling when they fail as a moving jump.

You want “great” jumping puzzles, OP, get the dev team cracking on tightening up these platforming issues. Double that on the “adventures”, which take these sodding jumping puzzle issues and add even wonkier controls and a timer.

No.

FrizzFreston.5290:

CMM.6712:

I see give or take 2 people being all noisy about a non issue. I see threads purposefully directed at changing JP’s and PVE parking because crafting nodes were removed from WvW. Trying to create issues where there were none. Why don’t you all just go on back about your business?

Why are you getting hung up on this PvE parking issue by responding to me? It’s like you add 1 and 1 and make 4.

Because of your indirectly commenting to me/about me without quoting me. Is the “Fix PVE parking” guy your buddy or something? LOL

How do portals in JP’s affect YOU personally? (Either they help you or you can choose to ignore them.)

How does a player parking in PVE somewhere affect YOU personally? (Either you can acknowledge that you already do this in different spots, or you can just ignore those who do.)

Answer: They don’t affect you personally. Yet here you are trying to fight some kind of battle against other players FOR NO REASON, FOR SOMETHING THAT DOESN’T AFFECT YOU.

If portals (which as someone pointed out are a personal utility being used for that player and any one else that happens to be around) are a problem for you, then you should consider stealth in dungeons an issue too. Care should be taken when suggesting character utilities be deactivated during certain activities, it tends to get blown up and everyone ends up paying.

CMM.6712:

FrizzFreston.5290:

CMM.6712:

I see give or take 2 people being all noisy about a non issue. I see threads purposefully directed at changing JP’s and PVE parking because crafting nodes were removed from WvW. Trying to create issues where there were none. Why don’t you all just go on back about your business?

Why are you getting hung up on this PvE parking issue by responding to me? It’s like you add 1 and 1 and make 4.

Because of your indirectly commenting to me/about me without quoting me. Is the “Fix PVE parking” guy your buddy or something? LOL

How do portals in JP’s affect YOU personally? (Either they help you or you can choose to ignore them.)

How does a player parking in PVE somewhere affect YOU personally? (Either you can acknowledge that you already do this in different spots, or you can just ignore those who do.)

Answer: They don’t affect you personally. Yet here you are trying to fight some kind of battle against other players FOR NO REASON, FOR SOMETHING THAT DOESN’T AFFECT YOU.

When rewards are entering a market where supply adjusts prices… well other people’s actions affect your reward. If the doubloons people acquired via alts camped at JPs were all taken out of the market what price do you think those things would be? Likely a lot more expensive if ANet didn’t make any other adjustments.

Anyways, if you actually had to complete the jumping puzzle they could give better rewards, and make them worth doing regularly outside of purely for the fun of it. But, when you have the option of just camping a rarely used alt at the end and spending 30s on them to grab that reward, they just can’t make it very substantial.

Do I agree with the OP, ehh, I think he makes a good point and it’s a viable request, but I know I’ve always been very thankful to mesmer friends who can jump better than I can allowing me to get some help on tricky parts. So I’m not so sure I’d want that. But, it’s a reasonable request and others actions DO have an effect on people when we’re talking about items that are hitting the market.

The main point I am trying to make is a small amount of people rushing to say do x, then Anet says oh all these people want this let’s do it. Then most people who didn’t want x get it. It’s happened before. Then there comes a time we can’t use utilities to help others out, all because of a couple of people complaining, ABOUT NOTHING.

I highly highly doubt rewards from JP’s make much of an economic impact. maybe we could get John Smith to weigh in , but I doubt it would be worth his time… seriously.

CMM.6712:

The main point I am trying to make is a small amount of people rushing to say do x, then Anet says oh all these people want this let’s do it. Then most people who didn’t want x get it. It’s happened before. Then there comes a time we can’t use utilities to help others out, all because of a couple of people complaining, ABOUT NOTHING.

I highly highly doubt rewards from JP’s make much of an economic impact. maybe we could get John Smith to weigh in , but I doubt it would be worth his time… seriously.

I’m with you as far as the topic is concerned (I’d have a few holes in my walls if I couldn’t take portals for some of the jumping things in this game), just saying that it does have an effect on others.

As far as the current economic impact of JPs, yeah probably not much, but that’s kind of what supports the OPs suggestion. Where is the reward for doing them? It’s simply not much, but that’s justified by the fact that you can so easily “cheat” the game (I use cheat because I can’t think of a better way to put it, not trying to call people cheaters, but fact is you can get the reward without doing the task). If you actually had to spend the time to do the whole puzzle then there’s no reason they couldn’t be just as rewarding as other avenues of play.

Again though, not supporting the OP’s suggestion just felt he was getting hated on for what is really a pretty reasonable suggestion, just more of an unpopular one.

CMM.6712:

Because of your indirectly commenting to me/about me without quoting me. Is the “Fix PVE parking” guy your buddy or something? LOL

How do portals in JP’s affect YOU personally? (Either they help you or you can choose to ignore them.)

How does a player parking in PVE somewhere affect YOU personally? (Either you can acknowledge that you already do this in different spots, or you can just ignore those who do.)

Answer: They don’t affect you personally. Yet here you are trying to fight some kind of battle against other players FOR NO REASON, FOR SOMETHING THAT DOESN’T AFFECT YOU.

I think you need a break. First of all, if you bother to do any reading, I said, multiple times, that I think portaling is fine. Second of all I don’t remember any PvE parking thread that I responded to, nor am I talking about that here, so why even talk about that to me.

And I’m not really fighting a battle, other than pointing out the dramatic exaggeration of the arguments people are using here. It’s just something that irks me when people are making fallacious statements like yours saying “he wants to make people suffer”. Really? I don’t believe that at all. The idea does miss the point of the portal skill, but I can see where he’s coming from when he says it might be nice if jumping puzzles aren’t skipped and actually done.

In fact, there’s numerous areas in the game where jumping and parcouring are particularly hard to “portal your way around”. Especially HoT with adventures that require you to get to the top as fast as possible. Or SAB where there is no Portal at all. Or Silverwastes or Lion’s arch where there’s checkpoints in the jumping puzzles so people can’t just camp at the end and get the reward. So there is in fact content for JP junkies who like to show off their skills where “portal casuals” don’t have any methods to skip.

I think people trying to ruin the game for others need to take a break. The person that wants to make people suffer remark is regarding the “Fix PVE parking” thread, which was closed, possibly deleted by now, in which the OP admits he wants to take things away from others because his precious crafting nodes in WvW were taken away, maybe if you did some reading yourself you would have understood that.

I jokingly asked if he/you/whoever was related to or buddies with that person, because it is the same type of behavior, “I don’t like x so I want it taken away”

Just for the sake of saying it, I have done most of the jumping puzzles, I think I am missing 2 of the WvW ones, I have done 90% them by jumping and I have also taken portals when available AND tipped (oh shock horror) the mesmer that KINDLY helped me.

I am done with this thread and explaining myself. Have fun.

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