Guild Wars 2

So, instead of putting more upward pressure on the prices of already desirable materials and items, in order to upgrade Guild Halls and also for scribing, why not just look at the BLTP and see what items have excessive inventory and create a demand for them?

For example, there are tens of millions of Artificer potions on the TP for less than 1s. Instead of requiring Charged Lodestones for an Upgrade, why not Mordrem, Crystal or Glacial? Or twice the number of cores? Why not create more demant for Walnuts, Venom Sacs, Cinnamon or Lettuce?

TLDR; Create demand for worthless items with huge supply, rather than driving up the demand for items which already have healthy supply and demand.

or silver…..

which just sits there and weeps for an actual use.

But hey we have a great economist whose closely watching the market and ready to course correct any mistakes they may have made…right ?

Oh yeah, Silver is a perfect example of this, nodes everywhere, everyone’s bank is full of it, worthless on the TP and there is no demand for it, yet all the guild upgrades require yet more Mithril Ingots!

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

Oh yeah, Silver is a perfect example of this, nodes everywhere, everyone’s bank is full of it, worthless on the TP and there is no demand for it, yet all the guild upgrades require yet more Mithril Ingots!

I fully agree and anet should really use way more of the extremely useless and cheap low tier mats like silver. Just to be fair, mithril should be used way more too^^ you get mithril everywhere by thousands, it’s not even worth to farm mithril nodes because the time it takes is more valuable than mithril^^
After a guild upgrade (we are a small/medium guild) we needed 5.000 mithril ingots. We actually fought over it, because everyone by himself wanted to put all of these ingots directly in, just to get some free bank space!

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

TLDR; Create demand for worthless items with huge supply, rather than driving up the demand for items which already have healthy supply and demand.

Why would you think that John Smith et al haven’t already considered all of the high supply|low demand items?

I have to agree that items were probably not chosen randomly or picked to make upgrading GH/Scribing easier. There is logic behind using all these high value items, the logic is that upgrading GH is costly and requires a lot of money, time and effort.

Not that I like it. Just there isn’t much point for Anet to make upgrades use up all the trash items.

re: Why would you think that John Smith et al haven’t already considered all of the high supply|low demand items? – (respectfully) Because those problems still persist? Or because they exist in the first place? IMO, scribing was both poorly conceived and poorly implemented. Where was John Smith to say “Hey there, making one personal crafting discipline several times more expensive than all the others probably won’t work well. Why don’t we cut those costs or make it a guild discipline, rather than a personal one?” I think that would have been in line with his job responsibilities. In any case someone should have caught and fixed that glaring mistake before it shipped.
A personal crafting discipline costing several times more than the others? How can that possibly work? And why wasn’t it implemented as a guild craft, rather than a character based one? It is of no use for individual characters, only guilds. Plus, it can create “scribe mercenaries” who get leveled up by a guild(with guild funds) then leave the guild and hire out their services to anyone. So yes, I think that there was some lack of consideration there. (Sorry, not trying to sound ranty. But I can’t see how such an obvious oversight got released in the first place.)

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

TLDR; Create demand for worthless items with huge supply, rather than driving up the demand for items which already have healthy supply and demand.

Why would you think that John Smith et al haven’t already considered all of the high supply|low demand items?

And so what if they did? What is your point exactly? That they want there to be totally worthless items and materials and keep GH upgrades and scribing expensive? They already stated intention to reduce the cost of scribng. Even if they did, they can still set an amount on the useless items that creates a healthy demand and also keeps it expensive, not further increasing the demand of already in demand items and materials.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

TLDR; Create demand for worthless items with huge supply, rather than driving up the demand for items which already have healthy supply and demand.

Why would you think that John Smith et al haven’t already considered all of the high supply|low demand items?

Might be the cynic in me, but because i don’t think John Smith cares ?

Most of his post history comes off entirely as catering to micro’ing the economy so hard as to mirror a real world one which drags the fun out of even playing the game. His vision of the game caters to the extreme 1% than wants to sit there an play the TP all day long.

TexZero.7910:

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

TLDR; Create demand for worthless items with huge supply, rather than driving up the demand for items which already have healthy supply and demand.

Why would you think that John Smith et al haven’t already considered all of the high supply|low demand items?

Might be the cynic in me, but because i don’t think John Smith cares ?

Most of his post history comes off entirely as catering to micro’ing the economy so hard as to mirror a real world one which drags the fun out of even playing the game. His vision of the game caters to the extreme 1% than wants to sit there an play the TP all day long.

Prices go up – demand goes up, supply remains the same.
Demand goes down, supply remains the same – prices go down.

In any MMO it’s easier to create a faucet (supply) than a sink (gold – eg WP, mats → items).
Right now the economy is still balancing itself out (it’s not settled imo -- and won’t be for another few months until we know what all these new legendary recipes are).

I don’t believe John wants to cater to the 1% of the TP barons…what is funny is the individuals in this thread calling for silver specifically to have a sink.
The same happened with leather (outcry in forums and then boom we got a massive sink- after individuals had already placed massive investments in said material over many many months)…

That sink as you all should know is the Xulani Electrum Ingots… Check wiki:
Uses Copper, Silver, Gold, Platinum, Mithrillium

The ratios are yet unknown – but we know there will be a sink for these mats soon…

Price spike incoming in ….
Full disclosure I will be making several thousand gold in profit if you buy copper, silver, gold.

Thank you in advance for funding my next legendary.

TPMN.1483:

…That sink as you all should know is the Xulani Electrum Ingots… Check wiki:
Uses Copper, Silver, Gold, Platinum, Mithrillium

The ratios are yet unknown – but we know there will be a sink for these mats soon…

Or they could be the next Clay Brick. If the Brick of Mud in the form of the recipe to craft them never appears…

If they did not create a sink for the low tier leather, then the high tier leather would have had to substitute, meaning its price would have gone up by orders of magnitude.

If something is worthless, give it some worth, instead of making everything else even more expensive.

Don’t worry iron shouldn’t be cheaper than gold or silver…
John will fix it for way or another.

TPMN.1483:

Don’t worry

TPMN.1483:

John will fix it for way or another.

Contradiction spotted.

TPMN.1483:

That sink as you all should know is the Xulani Electrum Ingots… Check wiki:
Uses Copper, Silver, Gold, Platinum, Mithrillium

The ratios are yet unknown – but we know there will be a sink for these mats soon…

You should use a dictionary and learn what the word ‘soon’ means. We are waiting since over 2 years for the introduction of Xulani Electrum Ingots, that’s NOWHERE near soon!