Guild Wars 2

After the plenty topics regarding new patch and change to reward guaranteed rare – please do reconsider way of distribution the loot. Would it be possible to modify it to the same method as after karka event (by mail) the or by chest like daily which could be open by any character. The concern is:
Let assume that I’m in the low level area exploring with freshly created character. Then the mega event start. I hadn’t completed this event today. So in order to receive good quality rare I had to re log as high level char and complete the chain. Afterwards I can re log to my low level one. The reason is that the level of rare depends on the real character level. In current settings I would not worry about continuing my low level explore because I know that I can complete the event and get rare with other characters anytime I want.
If the reward is mailed to account then I can complete the event and open mail with different char. It can also enhance immersion – the reward can come from grateful NPC happy that beast is slain.

If you did the karka event with a low level character, you had low level loot emailed to you.

I… don’t understand the problem. Log out, do event, relog on a diff char. If it breaks immersion, I guess you’d better try getting the new reward on your lvl 80 first before embarking on your immersion journey.

penatbater.4710:

I… don’t understand the problem. Log out, do event, relog on a diff char. If it breaks immersion, I guess you’d better try getting the new reward on your lvl 80 first before embarking on your immersion journey.

One problem with this method is that it tend to get you in the overflow if you tries to relog on your high lvl character …

@Vayne – this is not true – I’ve did it with 80 lvl char but open the reward with 50 lvl alt and get low lvl loot.
@penatbater – this is actually problem with number of actions needed to perform the task log in,loading, wp, loading screen. I had the same concern doing daily as I used it to make leveling faster (when there was tiers) – I’ve completed almost all dailies with low level then re log to 80lvl to get 5 silver (yes, that mattered to me). I just do not like to be forced to play with particular character because of games limitations.

There are plenty of possible solution to limit alt farming but I think it was the worst one.

Szamsziel.5627:

@Vayne – this is not true – I’ve did it with 80 lvl char but open the reward with 50 lvl alt and get low lvl loot.
@penatbater – this is actually problem with number of actions needed to perform the task log in,loading, wp, loading screen. I had the same concern doing daily as I used it to make leveling faster (when there was tiers) – I’ve completed almost all dailies with low level then re log to 80lvl to get 5 silver (yes, that mattered to me). I just do not like to be forced to play with particular character because of games limitations.

There are plenty of possible solution to limit alt farming but I think it was the worst one.

oh here we go again :| I swear i’m catnip to arguments like these. But I’ll save it for next time as that’s not the point of this thread. Back to topic.

I understand its a hassle. But with the changes, you only have to do this… once per day. And you may not even have to do it. Look at the timer, see which boss is near spawn, go with your lvl 80, and once that’s out of the way, continue on your lowbie. Honestly, if it bothers you that much, do it. If it doesn’t, then don’t.

But the solution you propose is exactly the cause of the change. Why should I even bother to look at the timer to play as I like? I’m in area, I want to do the event but I see that if I go I’ll loose the meaningful reward. Now I should go like : check the timer, make a roundtrip on all bosses (guesting to make it faster) and then I can start normal play with low level?
Is the problem with change in the implementation to make everybody happy? Rare once / day / account BUT if it is by account the character level shouldn’t matter.

Alts are already a huge bonus, the game shouldn’t reward people making alts more than people playing their mains.

emikochan.8504:

Alts are already a huge bonus, the game shouldn’t reward people making alts more than people playing their mains.

Why so? Why there is a chance to play different races / stories / profession? Do you like to play only 1/100th in the game you paid for? In that case Anet should sell package : you have 1 slot only for norn warrior. If you want to be asura – pay extra, for elementalist additional cost.

emikochan.8504:

Alts are already a huge bonus, the game shouldn’t reward people making alts more than people playing their mains.

Well having alts costs alot more than having 1 toons and it takes x amounts of time longer to get gear for all.

Currently the whole system (except for gathering) is very alt unfriendly, all will be even more so with the patch, and no I’m not talking about the daily chests.

Anyhow, the OP is wrong. The system will work well the way its supposed to after patch, if you are hellbent on getting the daily chests with 80 rewards, go do it on an 80, easy and simple.

not sure i see a reason why the separate chest reward COULDN’T just be an account-bound chest like the black lion chests. hell, could even just make it a special “Platinum Black Lion Chest” and make the KEYS be the prize from the boss each day. can stack them, bank them, open them on whichever character you want.

not saying it has to be that way- just don’t see any reason why it COULDN’T.

Szamsziel.5627:

emikochan.8504:

Alts are already a huge bonus, the game shouldn’t reward people making alts more than people playing their mains.

Why so? Why there is a chance to play different races / stories / profession? Do you like to play only 1/100th in the game you paid for? In that case Anet should sell package : you have 1 slot only for norn warrior. If you want to be asura – pay extra, for elementalist additional cost.

Exactly you are already getting all that extra stuff.

It’s only the guaranteed rare (note that’s singular) that’s 1 per account per day, it’ll probably pop up the same way daily/monthly/map completion/guild mission chests show up). You’ll still have the boss chests daily per character that have the heightened chances for rares and exotics

Szamsziel.5627:

But the solution you propose is exactly the cause of the change. Why should I even bother to look at the timer to play as I like? I’m in area, I want to do the event but I see that if I go I’ll loose the meaningful reward. Now I should go like : check the timer, make a roundtrip on all bosses (guesting to make it faster) and then I can start normal play with low level?
Is the problem with change in the implementation to make everybody happy? Rare once / day / account BUT if it is by account the character level shouldn’t matter.

Again, if the way to get the reward bothers you so much, then do it. If it doesn’t, then don’t complain. And as I’ve said, you only need to do this once a day. If you can’t even sacrifice a few minutes worth of play time, then it clearly shows you’re not really interested in the reward and more interested in the immersion (which is kudos to you btw).

Also, level should clearly matter, otherwise, people will look at those bosses as instant rare lvl 70+ stuff. Surprising as it may seem, some people have done the world bosses on their lowbie accounts to get the rares for that level/ continue immersion (it didn’t bother them one bit)/ finish a mega event/ etc.

I do not understand such attitude.
I’ve specified the problem I see, how this is affecting me and offered a solution which can make more people happy (me). /BTW the boss key idea I really like/. This is called constructive criticism.

What I received in response is a workaround and “get used to that” phrase. Sorry but if If you complain that you have no cold water in your home and someone said – take a hot and wait (just few minutes) to make it cold – would you be happy with that?

If there are any flaws in the solution I’ve specified – please define them. I’m open for discussion. But please, provide arguments why this is bad.

It is not so much that your idea is bad- it is just just it seems unnecessary to me- every fix takes time and resources from Anet,
If you don’t want to break immersion and re-log on your 80 to do an event do it on what ever character you are on.
I do this all the time.
I am constantly leveling alts and I never go to zones just to hit world events . If I am in the zone, great, I do the event and go on with what I was doing.

Szamsziel.5627:

I do not understand such attitude.
I’ve specified the problem I see, how this is affecting me and offered a solution which can make more people happy (me). /BTW the boss key idea I really like/. This is called constructive criticism.

What I received in response is a workaround and “get used to that” phrase. Sorry but if If you complain that you have no cold water in your home and someone said – take a hot and wait (just few minutes) to make it cold – would you be happy with that?

If there are any flaws in the solution I’ve specified – please define them. I’m open for discussion. But please, provide arguments why this is bad.

Mainly, your argument is unnecessary. There are far more important bugs that need fixing in this game than this. And it isn’t even a widespread problem (like culling, exploits, class skill bugs, etc). It’s not even a real problem that demands full attention, especially since there’s a very doable and pragmatic workaround for it. It’s merely an annoyance to a small % of people like yourself. The problem with your hot water example is that one is necessary and stated up front, the other is merely a bonus that happened. (A more apt example would be that your shower head is built facing North, but you want it build facing South so its more convenient for you when you reach for the shampoo bottle since you’re right-handed.)

I don’t get the point of this post, if you want an 80 reward from daily chest, do it on a 80 character? Are you trying to save WP fee so anet will make this change for your convenience?

I do not get it. I’ve asked for something, then I’m the bad guy. May I ask how you get the statistics that this is only for small %? I do not care about culling or skill bugs for example. My original question was:

“Would it be possible to modify it to the same method as after karka event (by mail) the or by chest like daily which could be open by any character.”

There was no ANet answer at all. If its possible and change by just small code change – why to not do that and skip discussion? If it is hard, require extensive work – then the answer “Unfortunatelly it is not possible” is also suitable.

Everything I received – “this is unnecessary change” from gamers like me. We have the same rights to complain or define what is more important for you or me. But please do not set yourself in a position – my voice is voice of majority.

@Lafiel – I want to play as I played so far. Is that hard to understand? I didn’t care about particular level of loot I knew that if I want do try to get it later I could just login in several hours and do it other char.

@penatbater – the water example is valid (of course in my opinion) – it is only annoyance for small miniority of citizens – only you and your family is affected. Why rest of us should bother? There are more important tasks for plumbers. One more thing – what you offered me is workaround. Now personal question : in your life do you search for workaround for daily problems or do you try to find/ask for an acceptable solution for the root cause ?

Szamsziel.5627:

I do not get it. I’ve asked for something, then I’m the bad guy. May I ask how you get the statistics that this is only for small %? I do not care about culling or skill bugs for example. My original question was:

“Would it be possible to modify it to the same method as after karka event (by mail) the or by chest like daily which could be open by any character.”

There was no ANet answer at all. If its possible and change by just small code change – why to not do that and skip discussion? If it is hard, require extensive work – then the answer “Unfortunatelly it is not possible” is also suitable.

Everything I received – “this is unnecessary change” from gamers like me. We have the same rights to complain or define what is more important for you or me. But please do not set yourself in a position – my voice is voice of majority.

@Lafiel – I want to play as I played so far. Is that hard to understand? I didn’t care about particular level of loot I knew that if I want do try to get it later I could just login in several hours and do it other char.

@penatbater – the water example is valid (of course in my opinion) – it is only annoyance for small miniority of citizens – only you and your family is affected. Why rest of us should bother? There are more important tasks for plumbers. One more thing – what you offered me is workaround. Now personal question : in your life do you search for workaround for daily problems or do you try to find/ask for an acceptable solution for the root cause ?

It’s not because you asked for something. It’s because you insist that this problem is real, that it needs to be solved, and that it requires attention. The fact is, most people simply see otherwise. Also, it shows that you’re too lazy to log out, relog on a diff char, kill boss, then relog back ONCE A DAY. Yes you are allowed to voice your concern. You are, however, not in a position to demand consensus with your concern.

You are also trying to make mountains out of molehills, trying to make this into a “problem” when in fact, it is more of an annoyance at best, an annoyance that already has in-game solutions. Work-around are solutions too. Are they your dream solutions? Maybe not. But it works.

And before you get hurt, note that I’m not intentionally agonizing you, I’m merely being frank.

Szamsziel.5627:

@Vayne – this is not true – I’ve did it with 80 lvl char but open the reward with 50 lvl alt and get low lvl loot.
@penatbater – this is actually problem with number of actions needed to perform the task log in,loading, wp, loading screen. I had the same concern doing daily as I used it to make leveling faster (when there was tiers) – I’ve completed almost all dailies with low level then re log to 80lvl to get 5 silver (yes, that mattered to me). I just do not like to be forced to play with particular character because of games limitations.

There are plenty of possible solution to limit alt farming but I think it was the worst one.

It’s obviously a bug. However what I said is true, at least as far as the fifty or sixty members of my guild one. Everyone got 80 rewards, except for the few who did it accidentally, without realizing on lower level characters.

Your experience may vary but I think you’ll find most people were rewarded by the level of the character they played.

Szamsziel.5627:

emikochan.8504:

Alts are already a huge bonus, the game shouldn’t reward people making alts more than people playing their mains.

Why so? Why there is a chance to play different races / stories / profession? Do you like to play only 1/100th in the game you paid for? In that case Anet should sell package : you have 1 slot only for norn warrior. If you want to be asura – pay extra, for elementalist additional cost.

Except your desire has nothing to do with what you just stated.. your only interest is getting hold of some fat lootz.. nothing to do with playing another race/class… if your gunna try and make a solid point at least stick to facts that are relevant.
Bottom line is you want to have a guarantee of best loot no matter what alt/ toon level or class your playing if such an event is active and you participate… sorry that’s just another loot envey topic and has no support from me.. the problem your seeking consensus on is not even a problem, if it were then I am sure we would of all read about it many times over on here or across the interweebs.
IBottom line if want that loot so bad then load up the toon you want it on and be done with it… if its immersion you want, surely pulling some nice loot relevant to that alts class/level is what adds to that immersion… or is it because you wont get your ecto salvage from that nice lower level shiny… sorry your smoke screen is a fail!

Spoilt kid mentality.. nothing new here im afraid.

Can you please quote when I stated:
“that it needs to be solved”, " that it requires attention" (except yes/no answer)?

And this is not once a day. It’s every show time for particular mob. And also reloging characters few times is causing some burden on ANet service.

Workarounds are not a solution. That’s why they are called workarounds.

Szamsziel.5627:

Can you please quote when I stated:
“that it needs to be solved”, " that it requires attention" (except yes/no answer)?

And this is not once a day. It’s every show time for particular mob. And also reloging characters few times is causing some burden on ANet service.

Workarounds are not a solution. That’s why they are called workarounds.

They’re changing it to make the guaranteed rare thing once a day.

Still this is once per day. I’ve asked about change of way of delivery. Nothing less, nothing more.

I just reread your OP and there is no problem other than you feel you want 80 lvl loot for completing the event on any character.
So in effect you want loot/ectos/exotics and immersion has nothing to do with it.

People are offering you a workaround and yes it is a solution- it allows you to get what you want without taking time away from more important things to fix a non existent problem.
saying that re-logging causes a burden on Anet’s service is not a valid point considering that you want them to create a fix so that you can get loot- that you can get in any case.
What I read is send me a mail as I can’t be bothered to get the loot for a one min event on a relevant character, sorry if that sounds harsh but it is the truth.

There are enough real problems that need fixing, culling that does not seem to bother you comes to mind here

Szamsziel.5627:

I do not get it. I’ve asked for something, then I’m the bad guy. May I ask how you get the statistics that this is only for small %? I do not care about culling or skill bugs for example. My original question was:

“Would it be possible to modify it to the same method as after karka event (by mail) the or by chest like daily which could be open by any character.”

There was no ANet answer at all. If its possible and change by just small code change – why to not do that and skip discussion? If it is hard, require extensive work – then the answer “Unfortunatelly it is not possible” is also suitable.

Everything I received – “this is unnecessary change” from gamers like me. We have the same rights to complain or define what is more important for you or me. But please do not set yourself in a position – my voice is voice of majority.

@Lafiel – I want to play as I played so far. Is that hard to understand? I didn’t care about particular level of loot I knew that if I want do try to get it later I could just login in several hours and do it other char.

@penatbater – the water example is valid (of course in my opinion) – it is only annoyance for small miniority of citizens – only you and your family is affected. Why rest of us should bother? There are more important tasks for plumbers. One more thing – what you offered me is workaround. Now personal question : in your life do you search for workaround for daily problems or do you try to find/ask for an acceptable solution for the root cause ?

Your reply basically tells me you want anet to work to your convenience down to the slightest detail which is comfortable with you?

@Lafiel – I’ve just asked if that is possible. Thats all. If yes – then make at least one customer more happy. If not – so be it.

Szamsziel.5627:

Still this is once per day. I’ve asked about change of way of delivery. Nothing less, nothing more.

Really… Then what exactly was this meant to imply – -

Let assume that I’m in the low level area exploring with freshly created character. Then the mega event start. I hadn’t completed this event today. So in order to receive good quality rare I had to re log as high level char and complete the chain. Afterwards I can re log to my low level one. The reason is that the level of rare depends on the real character level. In current settings I would not worry about continuing my low level explore because I know that I can complete the event and get rare with other characters anytime I want.

You want lv l 80 loot to be gifted to you even if you happen to be running a fresh lowbie… sorry that doesn’t fit the idea of character evolution.. otherwise why not just ask the devs to alter the character creation screen to allow you to pick the gear you want right off the bat….

No if you want to guaranteee yourself lvl 80 loot then swap toons like everyone else, the devs have plenty of other genuinely important issues to iron out in this game instead of taking one players desire for EZ mode Ecto farming seriously – you cant always have your cake and eat it, sometimes you gotta put a smidge of effort in first.

Szamsziel.5627:

@Lafiel – I’ve just asked if that is possible. Thats all. If yes – then make at least one customer more happy. If not – so be it.

Okay, I guess i can understand that. However, since your change is more of a your convenience sake than an actual problem, I doubt the implementation will be adjusted because of that.

Or just run the low level event on your low level alts. Running events on alts that are of the proper level is really cool because a lot of times you can actually use the gear you get rather than just praying for ectos.

the real issue here is that he wants lvl 80 rewards for completing content on a low lvl alt. if you want lvl 80 loot, run the event on your lvl 80. if you want lvl appropriate loot, run it on your alt. it’s not a problem or an inconvenience, it’s how it should be.