Mods / Addons will not get you banned.
Well, before this gets locked yet again, here is the simple breakdown.
If a mod gives you an advantage of any kind whatsoever, it will get you banned. If a mod alters the game play in any way to make things easier or different, it will get you banned. Simply put, don’t use anything that changes the game play in any way or else you will get banned.
Lady Bethany Of Noh – Chronomancer – Lords of Noh [LoN]
Why not? This is just like every other mmo out there and no different but i would say check or suggest it first before recommending it.
They said this with GW1, it didn’t stop them occasionally banning people who used texmod.
yea absolutely, I definitely disagree with advantageous mods being banned that should definitely happen. but even something like UI mods would be nice…i mean the game places such a high value on cosmetic items i’d love to cosmetically change my UI to fit my theme.
That combat mod that was popular few months back is an interesting one…i personally don’t believe it gives anyone an advantage simply because it uses everything you can do in game. Kinda just saves the holding of right click down really.
I mean ultimately if the broader community didn’t really want it then for sure i understand but there was some conflict among customers and even anet staff thats all between their responses etc.
Gaile Gray outweighs any of the community coordinators. Similarly, so does the third party program policy. Period.
yea absolutely, I definitely disagree with advantageous mods being banned that should definitely happen. but even something like UI mods would be nice…i mean the game places such a high value on cosmetic items i’d love to cosmetically change my UI to fit my theme.
That combat mod that was popular few months back is an interesting one…i personally don’t believe it gives anyone an advantage simply because it uses everything you can do in game. Kinda just saves the holding of right click down really.
I mean ultimately if the broader community didn’t really want it then for sure i understand but there was some conflict among customers and even anet staff thats all between their responses etc.
The Combat Mod was easily bannable because it did things for you. Like you said, you didn’t have to hold down the right mouse button. As well, it changed the combat to be action-y and allowed you to aim while using hotkeys.
Thus, it altered the gameplay and provided a slight advantage over those that didn’t use it. So it is considered a bannable program.
Lady Bethany Of Noh – Chronomancer – Lords of Noh [LoN]
yea absolutely, I definitely disagree with advantageous mods being banned that should definitely happen. but even something like UI mods would be nice…i mean the game places such a high value on cosmetic items i’d love to cosmetically change my UI to fit my theme.
That combat mod that was popular few months back is an interesting one…i personally don’t believe it gives anyone an advantage simply because it uses everything you can do in game. Kinda just saves the holding of right click down really.
I mean ultimately if the broader community didn’t really want it then for sure i understand but there was some conflict among customers and even anet staff thats all between their responses etc.
The Combat Mod was easily bannable because it did things for you. Like you said, you didn’t have to hold down the right mouse button. As well, it changed the combat to be action-y and allowed you to aim while using hotkeys.
Thus, it altered the gameplay and provided a slight advantage over those that didn’t use it. So it is considered a bannable program.
You are wrong. Combat Mode does not violate the addon policy Gaile posted nor has anyone that has used or is using it ever claimed to have been banned.
yea absolutely, I definitely disagree with advantageous mods being banned that should definitely happen. but even something like UI mods would be nice…i mean the game places such a high value on cosmetic items i’d love to cosmetically change my UI to fit my theme.
That combat mod that was popular few months back is an interesting one…i personally don’t believe it gives anyone an advantage simply because it uses everything you can do in game. Kinda just saves the holding of right click down really.
I mean ultimately if the broader community didn’t really want it then for sure i understand but there was some conflict among customers and even anet staff thats all between their responses etc.
The Combat Mod was easily bannable because it did things for you. Like you said, you didn’t have to hold down the right mouse button. As well, it changed the combat to be action-y and allowed you to aim while using hotkeys.
Thus, it altered the gameplay and provided a slight advantage over those that didn’t use it. So it is considered a bannable program.
You are wrong. Combat Mode does not violate the addon policy Gaile posted nor has anyone that has used or is using it ever claimed to have been banned.
Not wrong at all. I will even provide you with a credible source where Anet states that it is a violation of the policy.
Indeed, as Cheiron said, this programm can be assimilated as a third party one, and therefore is not allowed on our game.
Please note that utilisation of third party software can lead to a definitive suspension of your account.
As well:
Basically, anything that touches the game client in any fashion, including but not limited to visuals, overlays, controls, inputs, outputs, automation, sounds, or play experience is going to be referred to as a mod. The Guild Wars 2 software package is meant to be delivered and used AS-IS, with zero flexibility for the end user. If your script changes anything about the game itself, how it’s displayed, or how it’s played, then it’s forbidden 3rd-party software.
http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/103n56/update_guild_wars_2_combat_mode/
Lady Bethany Of Noh – Chronomancer – Lords of Noh [LoN]
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yea absolutely, I definitely disagree with advantageous mods being banned that should definitely happen. but even something like UI mods would be nice…i mean the game places such a high value on cosmetic items i’d love to cosmetically change my UI to fit my theme.
That combat mod that was popular few months back is an interesting one…i personally don’t believe it gives anyone an advantage simply because it uses everything you can do in game. Kinda just saves the holding of right click down really.
I mean ultimately if the broader community didn’t really want it then for sure i understand but there was some conflict among customers and even anet staff thats all between their responses etc.
The Combat Mod was easily bannable because it did things for you. Like you said, you didn’t have to hold down the right mouse button. As well, it changed the combat to be action-y and allowed you to aim while using hotkeys.
Thus, it altered the gameplay and provided a slight advantage over those that didn’t use it. So it is considered a bannable program.
You are wrong. Combat Mode does not violate the addon policy Gaile posted nor has anyone that has used or is using it ever claimed to have been banned.
Not wrong at all. I will even provide you with a credible source where Anet states that it is a violation of the policy.
Indeed, as Cheiron said, this programm can be assimilated as a third party one, and therefore is not allowed on our game.
Please note that utilisation of third party software can lead to a definitive suspension of your account.
This is a community coordinator giving a response, presumably based on what they were taught during their training. I promise you, Gaile Gray and her policy outweighs this person. As does the fact that no one has ever been banned for using Combat Mode. You and that community coordinator are still wrong.
yea absolutely, I definitely disagree with advantageous mods being banned that should definitely happen. but even something like UI mods would be nice…i mean the game places such a high value on cosmetic items i’d love to cosmetically change my UI to fit my theme.
That combat mod that was popular few months back is an interesting one…i personally don’t believe it gives anyone an advantage simply because it uses everything you can do in game. Kinda just saves the holding of right click down really.
I mean ultimately if the broader community didn’t really want it then for sure i understand but there was some conflict among customers and even anet staff thats all between their responses etc.
The Combat Mod was easily bannable because it did things for you. Like you said, you didn’t have to hold down the right mouse button. As well, it changed the combat to be action-y and allowed you to aim while using hotkeys.
Thus, it altered the gameplay and provided a slight advantage over those that didn’t use it. So it is considered a bannable program.
You are wrong. Combat Mode does not violate the addon policy Gaile posted nor has anyone that has used or is using it ever claimed to have been banned.
Not wrong at all. I will even provide you with a credible source where Anet states that it is a violation of the policy.
Indeed, as Cheiron said, this programm can be assimilated as a third party one, and therefore is not allowed on our game.
Please note that utilisation of third party software can lead to a definitive suspension of your account.
This is a community coordinator giving a response, presumably based on what they were taught during their training. I promise you, Gaile Gray and her policy outweighs this person. As does the fact that no one has ever been banned for using Combat Mode. You and that community coordinator are still wrong.
Read the second quote I put up there. It is directly from a GM, since you think Community Coordinators are liars and don’t speak for Anet.
Lady Bethany Of Noh – Chronomancer – Lords of Noh [LoN]
yea absolutely, I definitely disagree with advantageous mods being banned that should definitely happen. but even something like UI mods would be nice…i mean the game places such a high value on cosmetic items i’d love to cosmetically change my UI to fit my theme.
That combat mod that was popular few months back is an interesting one…i personally don’t believe it gives anyone an advantage simply because it uses everything you can do in game. Kinda just saves the holding of right click down really.
I mean ultimately if the broader community didn’t really want it then for sure i understand but there was some conflict among customers and even anet staff thats all between their responses etc.
The Combat Mod was easily bannable because it did things for you. Like you said, you didn’t have to hold down the right mouse button. As well, it changed the combat to be action-y and allowed you to aim while using hotkeys.
Thus, it altered the gameplay and provided a slight advantage over those that didn’t use it. So it is considered a bannable program.
You are wrong. Combat Mode does not violate the addon policy Gaile posted nor has anyone that has used or is using it ever claimed to have been banned.
Not wrong at all. I will even provide you with a credible source where Anet states that it is a violation of the policy.
Indeed, as Cheiron said, this programm can be assimilated as a third party one, and therefore is not allowed on our game.
Please note that utilisation of third party software can lead to a definitive suspension of your account.
This is a community coordinator giving a response, presumably based on what they were taught during their training. I promise you, Gaile Gray and her policy outweighs this person. As does the fact that no one has ever been banned for using Combat Mode. You and that community coordinator are still wrong.
Read the second quote I put up there. It is directly from a GM, since you think Community Coordinators are liars and don’t speak for Anet.
It was from a customer support person. I don’t know the specific differences between customer support, game master, and community coordinator, but I do know that Gaile Gray and her policy outweigh all of them. Just read the top comments of that Reddit thread. I’m not calling anyone a liar, but I will say that ArenaNet has always had an issue between forum responses and general support wherein it appears that some information isn’t synchronized amongst staff. In the end, Gaile’s word reigns over theirs.
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It was from a customer support person. I don’t know the specific differences between customer support, game master, and community coordinator, but I do know that Gaile Gray and her policy outweigh all of them. Just read the top comments of that Reddit thread.
I don’t really get what you are missing here. The mod alters the game. Simple as that. It is clearly stated that anything that alters the game is a third-party program and is not allowed. Just because Gaile Gray didn’t say it specifically, doesn’t mean they are all liars and don’t know what they are talking about.
There is more than one person who works for Anet that can speak on this matter you know.
Lady Bethany Of Noh – Chronomancer – Lords of Noh [LoN]
It was from a customer support person. I don’t know the specific differences between customer support, game master, and community coordinator, but I do know that Gaile Gray and her policy outweigh all of them. Just read the top comments of that Reddit thread.
I don’t really get what you are missing here. The mod alters the game. Simple as that. It is clearly stated that anything that alters the game is a third-party program and is not allowed. Just because Gaile Gray didn’t say it specifically, doesn’t mean they are all liars and don’t know what they are talking about.
There is more than one person who works for Anet that can speak on this matter you know.
I edited the post you quoted to further clarify. I’m not missing anything. Some of the staff peoples chiming in on this issue are missing certain information from other staff members. I’m quite aware that Gaile isn’t the only employee of AN, but her word does reign over the majority of others in the customer support department.
As does the fact that no one has ever been banned for using Combat Mode.
How do you know this for a fact? Seriously, just curious as to the nature of your source as I’m sure this information hasn’t been published for public knowledge.
To put it simpyly if they detect a mod or game alteration of any kind, and that detection hits anything that can or has been used to gain unfair advantages, chances are you’ll get banned.
They won’t ban you if it’s something they are not specifically detecting.
That’s why you use them at your own risk.
For example, imagine someone amkes a neat camera mod to take screenshots and safely ‘stroll’ around areas without revealing the map and watching the scenery.
And after a while, someone starts using that to cheat in PvP and WvW, to spy on the enemy and see their movements.
So they decide to address the issue by detecting the mod, and it gets ‘blacklisted’ and when they detect people using it, they are tagged to be banned.
The next batch of bans, the mod you though was ‘safe’ gets you banned.
That’s why you should not use mods at all. It’s a problem waiting to happen.
It was from a customer support person. I don’t know the specific differences between customer support, game master, and community coordinator, but I do know that Gaile Gray and her policy outweigh all of them. Just read the top comments of that Reddit thread.
I don’t really get what you are missing here. The mod alters the game. Simple as that. It is clearly stated that anything that alters the game is a third-party program and is not allowed. Just because Gaile Gray didn’t say it specifically, doesn’t mean they are all liars and don’t know what they are talking about.
There is more than one person who works for Anet that can speak on this matter you know.
I edited the post you quoted to further clarify. I’m not missing anything. Some of the staff peoples chiming in on this issue are missing certain information from other staff members. I’m quite aware that Gaile isn’t the only employee of AN, but her word does reign over the majority of others in the customer support department.
This is the same Gaile who told us that on GW1 she hit somebody on her own team with Poison Arrow during a GvG match.
I wouldn’t take anything she says as solid evidence without it being backed up by other people.
if you guys read the three links i provided…the top one 1 month ago says you do so at your own risk if kitten kittens up its your fault…those ones spyder are all from longer than a month ago.
To put it simpyly if they detect a mod or game alteration of any kind, and that detection hits anything that can or has been used to gain unfair advantages, chances are you’ll get banned.
They won’t ban you if it’s something they are not specifically detecting.
That’s why you use them at your own risk.
For example, imagine someone amkes a neat camera mod to take screenshots and safely ‘stroll’ around areas without revealing the map and watching the scenery.
And after a while, someone starts using that to cheat in PvP and WvW, to spy on the enemy and see their movements.
So they decide to address the issue by detecting the mod, and it gets ‘blacklisted’ and when they detect people using it, they are tagged to be banned.The next batch of bans, the mod you though was ‘safe’ gets you banned.
That’s why you should not use mods at all. It’s a problem waiting to happen.
Hmmm you raise a good point here…i never saw it like that.
if you guys read the three links i provided…the top one 1 month ago says you do so at your own risk if kitten kittens up its your fault…those ones spyder are all from longer than a month ago.
That specific reference is in regards to if something bad happens to your computer or bank account. The link also states that you can be banned for using certain mods. It covers both bases.
if you guys read the three links i provided…the top one 1 month ago says you do so at your own risk if kitten kittens up its your fault…those ones spyder are all from longer than a month ago.
Whether it’s days, weeks, or months the policy still hasn’t changed. So the links are valid either way, no matter when they were said.
Lady Bethany Of Noh – Chronomancer – Lords of Noh [LoN]
As does the fact that no one has ever been banned for using Combat Mode.
How do you know this for a fact? Seriously, just curious as to the nature of your source as I’m sure this information hasn’t been published for public knowledge.
The addon became popular in large due to Reddit. If someone got banned, then multiple people would have gotten banned – it would be on Reddit. Not to mention that threads about mods or Combat Mode would be much more aggressively closed/deleted if they were mass banning Combat Mode users.
Spyder, policies do change. Gaile’s addon policy wasn’t put up on release, it was put up post-release. Around the time combat mode started becoming somewhat popular. Coincidence? You decide.
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They will leave it open to “discretion”.
By not making white lists and black lists of acceptable mods, add ons, macros and similar ANet corner players into acting based on their ethics and judgement, while concurrently not limiting their capability to act in the grey areas.
Act ethically as a player (“one ought not automate game play”, “one ought not gain unfair advantage via 3rd party tools”) and you’ll be fine. ANet don’t have the resources to review and approve 3rd party tools, nor do they want ridiculous hard-lines that technically ban my G series KB/Mouse.
Interestingly enough the players usually most interested in hard rulings like this are those who want to push the ruling and try to internet-lawyer out of punishment later… just saying.
It may just be that your original statement was wrong.
Please try again.
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I played another NCSoft game (Lineage 2) for a long time.
For it there were a number of popular alternative clients that would give you notable advantages in gameplay (seeing target’s level and hp, functional minimap, auto-potion-drink when you were pvp-attacked). They were against the rules, particularly because they supported botting.
However, one day I came to find out I was the only person in my set of clans that was using the official client.
If they don’t see it, they can’t ban you. If you’re not obviously botting, or infringing on other players’ gameplay, you’re probably ok.
All in all, it’s just a game, and GW2 it’s not like it takes much effort to get a geared max-level character. If you really want it, to the point you much prefer the game with than without, then go ahead, you’ve only got a GW2 account to lose.
As does the fact that no one has ever been banned for using Combat Mode.
How do you know this for a fact? Seriously, just curious as to the nature of your source as I’m sure this information hasn’t been published for public knowledge.
The addon became popular in large due to Reddit. If someone got banned, then multiple people would have gotten banned – it would be on Reddit. Not to mention that threads about mods or Combat Mode would be much more aggressively closed/deleted if they were mass banning Combat Mode users.
Spyder, policies do change. Gaile’s addon policy wasn’t put up on release, it was put up post-release. Around the time combat mode started becoming somewhat popular. Coincidence? You decide.
I’m talking about the Policy for Third-Party Programs. It hasn’t changed. Whether Gaile, Charles, Colin, Mike, etc has their own take on it, the policy itself is still there and hasn’t changed. I trust the Policy itself. Doesn’t matter who tells me different, the Policy hasn’t changed yet. If what they say is the definite answer on this, then the Policy will be changed to reflect that. So far, it hasn’t been.
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/legal/guild-wars-2-rules-of-conduct/
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/legal/guild-wars-2-user-agreement/
Just a refresher for you if you were unsure. I doesn’t matter what any of them say, as these haven’t changed. Thus, the mod is not allowed.
Lady Bethany Of Noh – Chronomancer – Lords of Noh [LoN]
While on the topic, how about using ping reduction services such battleping, smoothping, etc? Can you be banned for this?
As does the fact that no one has ever been banned for using Combat Mode.
How do you know this for a fact? Seriously, just curious as to the nature of your source as I’m sure this information hasn’t been published for public knowledge.
The addon became popular in large due to Reddit. If someone got banned, then multiple people would have gotten banned – it would be on Reddit. Not to mention that threads about mods or Combat Mode would be much more aggressively closed/deleted if they were mass banning Combat Mode users.
Spyder, policies do change. Gaile’s addon policy wasn’t put up on release, it was put up post-release. Around the time combat mode started becoming somewhat popular. Coincidence? You decide.
I’m talking about the Policy for Third-Party Programs. It hasn’t changed. Whether Gaile, Charles, Colin, Mike, etc has their own take on it, the policy itself is still there and hasn’t changed. I trust the Policy itself. Doesn’t matter who tells me different, the Policy hasn’t changed yet. If what they say is the definite answer on this, then the Policy will be changed to reflect that. So far, it hasn’t been.
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/legal/guild-wars-2-rules-of-conduct/
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/legal/guild-wars-2-user-agreement/Just a refresher for you if you were unsure. I doesn’t matter what any of them say, as these haven’t changed. Thus, the mod is not allowed.
You are correct up until the last sentence. ArenaNet/NCSoft can enforce the rules of conduct/user agreement, but aren’t legally required to enforce it, at least in certain areas. In other words, if the the rules of conduct did say you’ll get banned for using third party programs, then while ArenaNet/NCSoft very much so has the right to reprimand you for violating it, they are not legally required to do so.
While I’ve gone through these documents before, going through them again, this is the only section that talks about third party programs being used by players:
You may not use any third-party program (such as a “bot”) in order to automate gameplay functions, including playing, chatting, interacting, or gathering gold or items within Guild Wars 2. You may not assist, relay, or store gold or items for other players who are using these processes.
This is obviously somewhat vague and Combat Mode does not appear to violate it, thus the clarification from Gaile in her policy. Her policy is, as she said, not a legal document, but I’m sure that they can reprimand you for violating it and, if necessary, legally fall back to a vague “We can ban you for any reason” type of statement in a legal document that you already agreed to.
While I’ve gone through these documents before, going through them again, this is the only section that talks about third party programs being used by players:
You may not use any third-party program (such as a “bot”) in order to automate gameplay functions, including playing, chatting, interacting, or gathering gold or items within Guild Wars 2. You may not assist, relay, or store gold or items for other players who are using these processes.
You seemed to have missed this entire section then if you’ve gone through them before.
You acknowledge that You may not, without signed written consent from a legally authorized representative of NCsoft, do any of the following:
© Use, or provide others with, any software related to the Game, including any automation software (a.k.a. “bot”) or software designed to change or modify operation of the Game;
(d) Use, or provide others with, any “hack,” “cheat,” “exploit” or “mod”;
(e) Use, or provide others with, any service related to the Game, including but not limited to:(i) any service that interacts with the Software
I think that is pretty clear. Whether they “can” or “will” isn’t the question. It is still against the rules to use it. So even if you use it, and you do get caught using it, and they ban you for it, just know that you can’t complain about it. They can choose whether or not to ban you for it, but it still doesn’t change the fact that it is a bannable offense. It’s the same thing for anything that breaks the rules. In the end, it is up to them to make the choice to ban or not, but that still doesn’t change the fact that it is against the rules.
Lady Bethany Of Noh – Chronomancer – Lords of Noh [LoN]
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While I’ve gone through these documents before, going through them again, this is the only section that talks about third party programs being used by players:
You may not use any third-party program (such as a “bot”) in order to automate gameplay functions, including playing, chatting, interacting, or gathering gold or items within Guild Wars 2. You may not assist, relay, or store gold or items for other players who are using these processes.
You seemed to have missed this entire section then if you’ve gone through them before.
You acknowledge that You may not, without signed written consent from a legally authorized representative of NCsoft, do any of the following:
© Use, or provide others with, any software related to the Game, including any automation software (a.k.a. “bot”) or software designed to change or modify operation of the Game;
(d) Use, or provide others with, any “hack,” “cheat,” “exploit” or “mod”;
(e) Use, or provide others with, any service related to the Game, including but not limited to:(i) any service that interacts with the Software
I think that is pretty clear.
Ah, the second time I went through it, I was searching for the word “third”, in regards to third party program/software. I disagree that it’s clear. In fact, it’s quite vague IMO, and many other people agreed, thus the uproar and confusion that caused Gaile to create the third party program policy.
Apparently many players and Gaile Gray (whom is the head of customer support or something along those lines? I forget) thought it wasn’t clear enough.
“Change or modify the operation of the game” is vague. What is and isn’t a hack/cheat/exploit/mod can be considered quite vague in some scenarios.
Remember, they can choose to not enforce the vague mess that is present in the policy and instead enforce Gaile’s policy. Due to the fact that there are many third party applications, ex. Combat Mode and SSAA injectors, being used without any known bans, I’d argue that they’re moreso doing the latter than the former.
Also note that they have said that they are interested in eventually working with the community to create “apps” for GW2, though it was literally that vague and we haven’t heard anything more in regards to that as of yet.
If you want to get really serious about interpretation that actually does prohibit use of the G-Series or similar gaming keyboards as well as any action-macro mods that alter the way you input commands into the game, on the condition they REMOVE any action the player would take in a “Vanilla” setup to achieve a result.
Those links have more concerning rules I think – my deep packet inspection/logging box on the perimeter of my network (or running Wireshark) are both against the rules (technically), and ANet can punish you for any game piracy you undertake while GW2 is running – regardless of game/vendor.
Back to the topic – does the software remove keystrokes/click/thought-based-interaction/whatever input events the client would normally require/accept? Yes? Well then push your luck and see how far you go…
It may just be that your original statement was wrong.
Please try again.
While I’ve gone through these documents before, going through them again, this is the only section that talks about third party programs being used by players:
You may not use any third-party program (such as a “bot”) in order to automate gameplay functions, including playing, chatting, interacting, or gathering gold or items within Guild Wars 2. You may not assist, relay, or store gold or items for other players who are using these processes.
You seemed to have missed this entire section then if you’ve gone through them before.
You acknowledge that You may not, without signed written consent from a legally authorized representative of NCsoft, do any of the following:
© Use, or provide others with, any software related to the Game, including any automation software (a.k.a. “bot”) or software designed to change or modify operation of the Game;
(d) Use, or provide others with, any “hack,” “cheat,” “exploit” or “mod”;
(e) Use, or provide others with, any service related to the Game, including but not limited to:(i) any service that interacts with the Software
I think that is pretty clear.
Ah, the second time I went through it, I was searching for the word “third”, in regards to third party program/software. I disagree that it’s clear. In fact, it’s quite vague IMO, and many other people agreed, thus the uproar and confusion that caused Gaile to create the third party program policy.
Apparently many players and Gaile Gray (whom is the head of customer support or something along those lines? I forget) thought it wasn’t clear enough.
“Change or modify the operation of the game” is vague. What is and isn’t a hack/cheat/exploit/mod can be considered quite vague in some scenarios.Remember, they can choose to not enforce the vague mess that is present in the policy and instead enforce Gaile’s policy. Due to the fact that there are many third party applications, ex. Combat Mode and SSAA injectors, being used without any known bans, I’d argue that they’re moreso doing the latter than the former.
Also note that they have said that they are interested in eventually working with the community to create “apps” for GW2, though it was literally that vague and we haven’t heard anything more in regards to that as of yet.
But even reading over Gaile’s Policy, she says that this program will put your account in jeopardy.
The best way for a player to assess whether a specific third-party program could have any impact on another player or a PvP opponent is to ask:
• “Does this program allow someone to play faster, better, longer, or more accurately than someone who doesn’t use it?”
• “Does this program allow someone to ‘play’ when he/she is not at the computer?”
• “Does this program allow the user to gain undeserved rewards?”If the answer to any of these questions is “yes”—or even “maybe”—then we strongly recommend that you do not use the program because to do so may place your Guild Wars or Guild Wars 2 account in jeopardy.
It does allow you to play faster, better, and more accurately than someone who doesn’t use it. It alters the combat mechanics and gives you an edge over others who don’t use it.
As for the apps thing, the only thing I remember hearing was from Eric back in March (I think it was March).
We won’t be allowing people to mod the game itself directly no. We feel that this encourages people to play the game in such a way that gives them an unfair advatage over those who don’t use mods. However we understand that many people enjoy modding games and are looking into ways for people to build things for the game in other ways. We’ll have more information on this sometime next year.
Back to the topic – does the software remove keystrokes/click/thought-based-interaction/whatever input events the client would normally require/accept? Yes? Well then push your luck and see how far you go…
Yes it does. Here’s a video if you didn’t know what it does (as he states right at the start, it already does things for you that you would do normally).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tjK5OI2oAQ
Lady Bethany Of Noh – Chronomancer – Lords of Noh [LoN]
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It does not make combat easier nor does it give you an edge. It makes one single keypress equivalent to holding down (or not holding down) right click. It often makes combat more difficult as it takes away some control from your character, thus why I stopped using it. Some people, especially people with arthritis, carpel tunnel, etc, find it makes the game less painful to play.
ArenaNet has said they’re not okay with one button doing something that would normally only be possible with multiple buttons. They’ve never said anything about the difference between key down vs key press. Thus it’s arguably a bit in the gray area, but there are no records of anyone getting banned for it, presumably because ArenaNet doesn’t feel it is ban-worthy.
In terms of things that modify graphics without modifying the client, those are even more blatantly not against the policy for obvious reasons. Modifying graphics via modifying the client is definitely gray area, though Guild Wars 1 has an official wiki page dedicated to a popular program that does just that.
It’s pretty much all gray area. Claiming someone will get banned for it is often incorrect (outside of blatantly botting and what-not etc). Claiming someone won’t get banned for it is, at best, an educated assumption. In the end, it’s up to the user to decide if they want to dabble with it or not.
Sorry – I was not being specific there, while the particular software that spawned this thread is a no-brainer for the “Automation – INDEED!” check my intent was more to point out that the above check is not exactly “blurry”.
A mod to parse combat logs into CSV files doesn’t automate gameplay, a mod to parse chat logs into CSV files doesn’t automate gameplay, a mod to build and send chat messages from a CSV file does automate gameplay, a G-Series macro that send “TAB,F,F,2,1,1,1” to the client also automates game play.
It really isn’t hard to work out the line not to cross, again I believe that acting ignorantly of that line is generally a ploy used by those who want to gain advantage, or have and are seeing the consequences of their decisions – especially if they managed to push their luck for a while before getting punished.
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It does not make combat easier nor does it give you an edge. It makes one single keypress equivalent to holding down (or not holding down) right click. It often makes combat more difficult as it takes away some control from your character, thus why I stopped using it. Some people, especially people with arthritis, carpel tunnel, etc, find it makes the game less painful to play.
ArenaNet has said they’re not okay with one button doing something that would normally only be possible with multiple buttons. They’ve never said anything about the difference between key down vs key press. Thus it’s arguably a bit in the gray area, but there are no records of anyone getting banned for it, presumably because ArenaNet doesn’t feel it is ban-worthy.
In terms of things that modify graphics without modifying the client, those are even more blatantly not against the policy for obvious reasons. Modifying graphics via modifying the client is definitely gray area, though Guild Wars 1 has an official wiki page dedicated to a popular program that does just that.
It’s pretty much all gray area. Claiming someone will get banned for it is often incorrect (outside of blatantly botting and what-not etc). Claiming someone won’t get banned for it is, at best, an educated assumption. In the end, it’s up to the user to decide if they want to dabble with it or not.
The key holding is the camera, which he is using as the aim tool. Then that key that should be held down normally, is instead assigned to dodge. So he has one button doing two different things for him. He has the right mouse button being held down permanently to control the aim of the camera, along with it also being used for dodging.
Like you said, Anet is not okay with one button doing something that would normally only be possible with multiple buttons. Which is exactly what this mod is doing. It is automatically holding down your mouse button and allowing you to use that same button for another action (dodge in his case).
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It does not make combat easier nor does it give you an edge. It makes one single keypress equivalent to holding down (or not holding down) right click. It often makes combat more difficult as it takes away some control from your character, thus why I stopped using it. Some people, especially people with arthritis, carpel tunnel, etc, find it makes the game less painful to play.
ArenaNet has said they’re not okay with one button doing something that would normally only be possible with multiple buttons. They’ve never said anything about the difference between key down vs key press. Thus it’s arguably a bit in the gray area, but there are no records of anyone getting banned for it, presumably because ArenaNet doesn’t feel it is ban-worthy.
In terms of things that modify graphics without modifying the client, those are even more blatantly not against the policy for obvious reasons. Modifying graphics via modifying the client is definitely gray area, though Guild Wars 1 has an official wiki page dedicated to a popular program that does just that.
It’s pretty much all gray area. Claiming someone will get banned for it is often incorrect (outside of blatantly botting and what-not etc). Claiming someone won’t get banned for it is, at best, an educated assumption. In the end, it’s up to the user to decide if they want to dabble with it or not.
The key holding is the camera, which he is using as the aim tool. Then that key that should be held down normally, is instead assigned to dodge. So he has one button doing two different things for him. He has the right mouse button being held down permanently to control the aim of the camera, along with it also being used for dodging.
Like you said, Anet is not okay with one button doing something that would normally only be possible with multiple buttons. Which is exactly what this mod is doing. It is automatically holding down your mouse button and allowing you to use that same button for another action (dodge in his case).
My apologies, I may not have been perfectly clear. ArenaNet is not okay with one button PRESS executing something that would normally take multiple button presses.
That being said, I never liked the fact that CombatMode added extra hotkeys; I thought that was the most gray area thing about the tool. I programmed a much simpler tool that also holds down right click with a single button press… but that’s it. No extra hotkeys, can’t sensibly use the hotkey you use for toggling right click nor can you use right click when it’s being held down.
I got all the bugs out but lost interest when I found that it often limited my control mid-combat; never released it due to some slightly messy source code.
I felt that it was less gray area than CombatMode, but that doesn’t deter from there being no records of anyone being banned or reprimanded for using CombatMode.
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It does not make combat easier nor does it give you an edge. It makes one single keypress equivalent to holding down (or not holding down) right click. It often makes combat more difficult as it takes away some control from your character, thus why I stopped using it. Some people, especially people with arthritis, carpel tunnel, etc, find it makes the game less painful to play.
ArenaNet has said they’re not okay with one button doing something that would normally only be possible with multiple buttons. They’ve never said anything about the difference between key down vs key press. Thus it’s arguably a bit in the gray area, but there are no records of anyone getting banned for it, presumably because ArenaNet doesn’t feel it is ban-worthy.
In terms of things that modify graphics without modifying the client, those are even more blatantly not against the policy for obvious reasons. Modifying graphics via modifying the client is definitely gray area, though Guild Wars 1 has an official wiki page dedicated to a popular program that does just that.
It’s pretty much all gray area. Claiming someone will get banned for it is often incorrect (outside of blatantly botting and what-not etc). Claiming someone won’t get banned for it is, at best, an educated assumption. In the end, it’s up to the user to decide if they want to dabble with it or not.
The fact it is reportedly/apparently used as an accessibility aid does not change general usage (especially when all the neckbeards DO have bad wrists anyway!).
It reduces the number of events required from the player to accomplish a character action. It is Automation by definition and if ANet uses discretion to punish someone for its use they have been reasonably forewarned it appears.
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Thats splitting hairs…because i can use my naga to bind dodge and a skill to the same button if i wanted. Combat mod isn’t a third party program…its a script.
As does the fact that no one has ever been banned for using Combat Mode.
How do you know this for a fact? Seriously, just curious as to the nature of your source as I’m sure this information hasn’t been published for public knowledge.
The addon became popular in large due to Reddit. If someone got banned, then multiple people would have gotten banned – it would be on Reddit. Not to mention that threads about mods or Combat Mode would be much more aggressively closed/deleted if they were mass banning Combat Mode users.
Spyder, policies do change. Gaile’s addon policy wasn’t put up on release, it was put up post-release. Around the time combat mode started becoming somewhat popular. Coincidence? You decide.
Thanks for the reply. While I appreciate it I simply can’t take Reddit and forum moderation (or lack thereof) as proof of a fact.
without any known bans
This sounds more like it. Key word being “known” as there’s just no way for you to know whether or not I’ve ever been banned for such things…or anyone else for that matter. You can certain entertain an educated guess (using Reddit and forum moderation in your case) but that’s all it is…an educated guess…not fact.
The only fact in this thread is that know one here can tell anyone else with any certainty that they will or won’t get banned for something. That’s between them and Anet so if someone wants to test their luck, more power to them.
Thats splitting hairs…because i can use my naga to bind dodge and a skill to the same button if i wanted. Combat mod isn’t a third party program…its a script.
That is exactly the point I was making – if these things were “Black & White”, in hard rules and lists, it challenges ANet’s ability to govern this effectively.
Example – How long a Naga/G-Series script is “White”? How complex is the script when it crosses the line to “Black”? When does this matter to the game or other players? What if the player is in fact legitimately using it as an accessibility aid due to injury or ailment?
So they show judgement and make case-by-case decisions in an effort to effectively manage the unethical players, and avoid creating a system for unethical people to game. The ethical player really doesn’t get impacted process or system at all.
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