Guild Wars 2

I have zero against doing fractals. They’re fine. I like running them, but this is the third month in a row it’s been a requirement for the monthly.

I love the fact you included jumping puzzles, this time, for instance. (FYI, I suck at jumping, but I love variety.) So why not shake things up more and have something else besides fractals, again?

In fact, why not shake up all the requirements? I see world invaders is up as a requirement, again. Sheesh. Has that ever not been a requirement? Why not say something like do 15 WvW events? Capture keeps? Lots you could do there if you’re looking for a WvW requirement.

Let’s have more variety in the monthly. That’s all.

I like how I’m supposed to do fractals on my lvl 50 character.

Yaki.9563:

I like how I’m supposed to do fractals on my lvl 50 character.

Nobody forces you to begin such things before the max level.

20 Mystic Coins and 10 Jugs of Karma isn’t useful at lvl 50.

Yaki.9563:

I like how I’m supposed to do fractals on my lvl 50 character.

You can run lvl 1 several times.

Why not expand it to include any dungeon instance?

Keiran.1896:

Yaki.9563:

I like how I’m supposed to do fractals on my lvl 50 character.

Nobody forces you to begin such things before the max level.

20 Mystic Coins and 10 Jugs of Karma isn’t useful at lvl 50.

Funny, because I could swear those things were the reward for dailies as well…

I don’t even mind the fractals so much (My friends and I took 2 hours to get our 7 Fractals for the monthly achievement), but I just don’t think they’re fun. All I want is some variety in the monthly achievement – 50 World versus World kills, seven Fractals and two other things three months in a row is pretty stale to me. I mean, hey, I would be fine with a World versus World-centric month, with maybe 50 kills, 20 captured places and 30 killed dolyaks or something, followed by a dungeon-centric mode, like maybe clearing out 5 dungeons in story month. But it’s always just “Hey guys, did you go into Fractals yet? Please go into Fractals, they are really fun. Fractals are your friend” to me.

I would rather see Fractals OR dungeons… everyone wins!

MalakiteGW.9651:

I would rather see Fractals OR dungeons… everyone wins!

He is on to something…

I’d love to a see a “complete 4 of the following X tasks” for a monthly goal rather than being “forced” (used loosely, of course) to do what i don’t really want to.

Then again, I didn’t complete December’s monthly (didn’t feel like doing fractals and WvW) and I’m still standing with buckets of unspent karma on 1/1/13.

But if they remove Fractals from the Monthly, even less people will run it, and the people running it will find even less people to group with, and then people will complain even more about having nothing interesting to do at 80 or about the Ascended Gear, then even more people will notice how much of a bad idea this Fractal Dungeon is, then even more people will quit the game because they’re bored and…

They seem pretty focussed on getting people to play fractals. Why not mix it up with other dungeons and maybe “slay x dragons” or something like that? Is fractals end game for this game?

They should at least remove the fractal requirement until they’ve implemented the fixes. I have no desire to do any fractals until people can rejoin if disconnected, and until I don’t need to find a group of people on the exact same level as me.

Just shows that ANet are hell bend on making people run fractals….sighhhhh.

Death Reincarnated.3570:

Just shows that ANet are hell bend on making people run fractals….sighhhhh.

Strange seeing i though Anet said they made a mistake forcing people into fractals then turn around and add to the problem of the empty world with the monthly

cargan.5689:

Death Reincarnated.3570:

Just shows that ANet are hell bend on making people run fractals….sighhhhh.

Strange seeing i though Anet said they made a mistake forcing people into fractals then turn around and add to the problem of the empty world with the monthly

Their mistake was introducing the ascended tier items into one dungeon – FotM. It is a poor decision. Considering the issue FotM has at the moment – nothing should be tied to running it, especially monthly achievement.

As someone who has zero interest in running FotM (at least until I get my characters to 80), I too would like to see this task removed from the Monthly Achievement. Once I can live with. In back-to-back months? Annoying. If you do it a third straight month? Imma be mad.

I tried running them. Gave it a good go. But 3 out of the 4 runs we did, someone disconnected. Then you’re screwed. Pretty kittenty of Anet to wait on a fix for that. As it stands now they’re broken so I agree wholeheartedly that they shouldn’t be a requirement for anything. After so many failed runs due to disconnects, no one in my guild will do them. I’ve only seen my gm disconnect once in the months weve been playing together. Of course, in a fractal.

Everyone complaining about being pigeonholed into the fotm, anet sayin they agree and they dont want it that way. Im starting to think Anet likes to just say what people like to hear. Monthlies would be a great way to get people to run other dungeons.

To be honest.. I actually don’t like dungeons at all, Now, I know that’s my own problem, I’ll fully admit that. But, for every month dungeons are in the monthly its one month i don’t get the thing completed.

Just did my first full runs of AC and got 3 fractals today, so I guess they are achieving something. What I find a bit ironic though, is that they are pushin people to play these things when their development with, or lack there of, matchmaking to these is horrid.

This game is supposed to be a AAA game isn’t it?

sostronk.8167:

Just did my first full runs of AC and got 3 fractals today, so I guess they are achieving something. What I find a bit ironic though, is that they are pushin people to play these things when their development with, or lack there of, matchmaking to these is horrid.

This game is supposed to be a AAA game isn’t it?

And grind free!

Why is it still a requirement to run Fractals for the monthly?

I don’t doubt that they’ve learned their lesson from Fractals, but that’s only step 1. Now they need to take the next step and, ya know, do something about it.

Why do people feel like the monthly is required? Is 20 mystic coins and 10 jugs of karma really THAT game breaking?

Last month I wasn’t interested in killing toys by either running tixx or running around finding the large gifts.

So I didn’t do it. I didn’t want to do it and I didn’t do it. And I’m doing just fine without 20 mystic coins and 10 jugs of karma.

Fractals are the present and future of this game. The days of open world, explorative game play are behind us. It is now instance or GTFO, so I can’t imagine they would do a monthly that didn’t incorporate it.

Don’t worry, they will remove fractals from the monthly… the moment the next instance with the next batch of gear to grind for is released. :-P

Nobody is forcing you to do any higher level fractal mate.It’s not hard to find a group for level one and two.They are very easy speed runs.

moiraine.2753:

Nobody is forcing you to do any higher level fractal mate.It’s not hard to find a group for level one and two.They are very easy speed runs.

This has been beaten to death about a thousand times.

No one cares about the difficulty, that is not the crux of the complaint. The jumping puzzles one is easy too, but that doesn’t mean it’s a good achievement either.

The complaint is that the ANet devs have been saying that they did not want to make players feel forced into doing content they don’t enjoy. They have been directly quoted as saying that they don’t want us to “just grind dungeons at endgame”.

Yet Fractals has been obligatory to obtain monthly achievements since its release back in November. And it’s still the only place in the game to obtain the items necessary for Ascended gear. So we’re still being forced to grind dungeons at endgame, precisely what they promised would not be the case.

It’s time for them to pick a new achievement, implement Ascended gear in other places, and move on. Fractals is never going to be popular with some people and there’s no sense continuing to try and talk people into doing it.

Yaki.9563:

I like how I’m supposed to do fractals on my lvl 50 character.

Funny because I ran level 1 and 2 fractal with a level 30 thief for the hell of it with some friends and got downed like twice.

Level 1-9 fractals are ridiculously easy, you could solo early levels on an 80 they are so easy.

critickitten.1498:

moiraine.2753:

Nobody is forcing you to do any higher level fractal mate.It’s not hard to find a group for level one and two.They are very easy speed runs.

This has been beaten to death about a thousand times.

No one cares about the difficulty, that is not the crux of the complaint. The jumping puzzles one is easy too, but that doesn’t mean it’s a good achievement either.

The complaint is that the ANet devs have been saying that they did not want to make players feel forced into doing content they don’t enjoy. They have been directly quoted as saying that they don’t want us to “just grind dungeons at endgame”.

Yet Fractals has been obligatory to obtain monthly achievements since its release back in November. And it’s still the only place in the game to obtain the items necessary for Ascended gear. So we’re still being forced to grind dungeons at endgame, precisely what they promised would not be the case.

It’s time for them to pick a new achievement, implement Ascended gear in other places, and move on. Fractals is never going to be popular with some people and there’s no sense continuing to try and talk people into doing it.

It’s a good thing you aren’t forced to do monthly achievements then.

critickitten.1498:

moiraine.2753:

Nobody is forcing you to do any higher level fractal mate.It’s not hard to find a group for level one and two.They are very easy speed runs.

This has been beaten to death about a thousand times.

No one cares about the difficulty, that is not the crux of the complaint. The jumping puzzles one is easy too, but that doesn’t mean it’s a good achievement either.

The complaint is that the ANet devs have been saying that they did not want to make players feel forced into doing content they don’t enjoy. They have been directly quoted as saying that they don’t want us to “just grind dungeons at endgame”.

Yet Fractals has been obligatory to obtain monthly achievements since its release back in November. And it’s still the only place in the game to obtain the items necessary for Ascended gear. So we’re still being forced to grind dungeons at endgame, precisely what they promised would not be the case.

It’s time for them to pick a new achievement, implement Ascended gear in other places, and move on. Fractals is never going to be popular with some people and there’s no sense continuing to try and talk people into doing it.

You are not forced to do your monthly and doing two fractal levels over the course of 30 days isn’t grinding.

Monthlies have always had a ton of variety that people may or may not like. People could complain about WvW kills, events, the dungeon monthly which was ridiculously easy, 200 salvages, etc. In the end, you’re not required to do them, so deal with it.

Ascended gear is another issue and they have already stated they are going to address it…

Wasabi Kitty.8247:

It’s a good thing you aren’t forced to do monthly achievements then.

I’ve grown rather tired of this excuse.

“X is optional, therefore it’s totally okay for it to go against the developer’s expressed policies towards MMO design.”

No, it’s not.

ANet came forward with a bold new approach to MMOs, almost judgmentally telling everyone else how MMOs are supposed to be made. And that’s fine if you put your money where your mouth is. But ANet didn’t do that.

If they don’t want players grinding the dungeons at endgame, maybe they shouldn’t make players feel like they’re forced to grind dungeons at endgame by putting Fractals everywhere they look.

Yes, you’re right. It’s optional. But it’s still against the policies they laid out for how MMOs are supposed to be designed. So they made a bunch of claims about how their MMO would be different, but then didn’t really fulfill those promises. It’s time for them to put up or shut up. Take Fractals out of monthly achievements and introduce Ascended gear elsewhere. Don’t make players feel like they’re obligated to run Fractals. I’m fine with running Fractals, but other people have already decided they hate it, and it makes no sense to keep trying to talk them into doing something they know they don’t like.

critickitten.1498:

Wasabi Kitty.8247:

It’s a good thing you aren’t forced to do monthly achievements then.

I’ve grown rather tired of this excuse.

“X is optional, therefore it’s totally okay for it to go against the developer’s expressed policies towards MMO design.”

No, it’s not.

ANet came forward with a bold new approach to MMOs, almost judgmentally telling everyone else how MMOs are supposed to be made. And that’s fine if you put your money where your mouth is. But ANet didn’t do that.

If they don’t want players grinding the dungeons at endgame, maybe they shouldn’t make players feel like they’re forced to grind dungeons at endgame by putting Fractals everywhere they look.

Yes, you’re right. It’s optional. But it’s still against the policies they laid out for how MMOs are supposed to be designed. So they made a bunch of claims about how their MMO would be different, but then didn’t really fulfill those promises. It’s time for them to put up or shut up. Take Fractals out of monthly achievements and introduce Ascended gear elsewhere. Don’t make players feel like they’re obligated to run Fractals. I’m fine with running Fractals, but other people have already decided they hate it, and it makes no sense to keep trying to talk them into doing something they know they don’t like.

If 7 fractals is a grind for you, then the problem lies between keyboard and chair.

Wasabi Kitty.8247:

If 7 fractals is a grind for you, then the problem lies between keyboard and chair.

It’s not a problem for me. I enjoy Fractals, actually.

But that doesn’t mean I want to see Fractals every single month in the monthly achievements. Some of us want some variety in the monthly achievements, thanks, and don’t appreciate being told that we’re just whining when in fact you have absolutely no clue what we’re even complaining about.

If so you should complain about the wvw requirement instead. That one has been there every single month.

Havent done one and wont do one until open world loot is restored to be on par with frac dungeon or I quit the game.

I have given up hope that Anet wants us to do anything other than sit in LA and do Fracs till the cows blow pink hearts at us. (ok so they arent hearts lol)