Guild Wars 2

Let weapons and armor be earned in the game instead of being on the gemstore all the time.

Here is a solution, use the karma currency. Make Karma relevant again.

Firstly, No need for content to be packed with weapons and armor, no need to wait for living story to give us carrots(Weapons and armor) to chase around. After every biweekly gemshop weapons, put in another biweekly karma weapons and armor for players to chase for instead of taking out their wallet for. The game got boring after nothing to chase for.

Secondly, Put in an basic weapon/armor collection achievement for collecting all the weapons to make players waste their reserve karma. Let each achievement give one ascended weapon/armor. Also, price the weapon and armor at 40-50k each. After the first, second and, maybe third generation of karma weapons, players will be depleted of karma.

Thirdly, make the weapons disappear after every 4th generation of karma weapons/armor just how Gemshop weapons does it. This would create prestige and encourage players to play longer.

This was my major gripe with this game from the very beginning. Generally, the look and feel of the armor that you receive as a reward is equal to the amount of effort and hard work that you put into getting it. The Gem-store completely wipes that away… literally ALL of the coolest armor that I’ve seen needs to be bought on the Gem-store.

In my opinion, armor doesn’t belong in the gem-store in the first place. Cool-looking armor is my motivation for doing difficult tasks and when armor like that is on the gem-store, my motivation to do difficult tasks for second-rate armor is completely gone.

Galtrix.7369:

literally ALL of the coolest armor that I’ve seen needs to be bought on the Gem-store.

I have yet to see a single armor in the gemshop that I was willing to spend gems or gold to get. Everyone’s tastes are different.

No matter how great you think the armor is, a huge fraction of players will hate it and vice versa. That means the only ‘solution’ is for ANet to add as many skins as possible in as many different ways as possible, to try to cover everyone’s playstyles and interests. Gem shop skins are great for some people because anyone can get them, regardless of the content they like.

The only problem with this plan is skins are one of the most expensive assets in the game to produce. ANet has no way of putting out as many skins as possible.

I’d certainly like to see more in the game, but I’d also like to continue playing the game for free, without paying a sub or paying for an expansion more often than once every 18-36 months. That means putting up with a bunch of cool stuff in the gem shop. I can live with that.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

Galtrix.7369:

literally ALL of the coolest armor that I’ve seen needs to be bought on the Gem-store.

I have yet to see a single armor in the gemshop that I was willing to spend gems or gold to get. Everyone’s tastes are different.

No matter how great you think the armor is, a huge fraction of players will hate it and vice versa. That means the only ‘solution’ is for ANet to add as many skins as possible in as many different ways as possible, to try to cover everyone’s playstyles and interests. Gem shop skins are great for some people because anyone can get them, regardless of the content they like.

The only problem with this plan is skins are one of the most expensive assets in the game to produce. ANet has no way of putting out as many skins as possible.

I’d certainly like to see more in the game, but I’d also like to continue playing the game for free, without paying a sub or paying for an expansion more often than once every 18-36 months. That means putting up with a bunch of cool stuff in the gem shop. I can live with that.

Compared to keeping many players in the game, the cost will be worth it.

There are actually a few “top” threads over on Reddit right now about this very issue. Yes, they are getting ANet response.

What’s the point of doing content when everything I want is in the gem store?

And

Why are items that should be raid rewards in the gemstone?

There was another thread that got an answer to the raid reward question and why Xera’s Mask was put on the gem store vs being a reward: here is the link to what was said:

Anet_AndrewM wrote 05 Jul 2016:

We didn’t have the artist time to make a Xera’s Mask helm on the raid team for the last release in addition to the other raid rewards, but thought that it would be an awesome thing to have in the game, so we recommended this as a possible gemstore purchase.

This isn’t a case of the gemstore stealing raid rewards, but rather, the gemstore team came through and added a cool item that was beyond the scope of what we had time to create for the raid.

either the gemstore team is too big or some of the other teams should be taking notes at how efficient they are

Totally agree with this. It was wonderful when a new living story would drop and new skins were earned through the content. I absolutely loved it. Collections was another fun way of getting skins but we need more of them.

Karma does need some love.

Goatjugsoup.8637:

either the gemstore team is too big or some of the other teams should be taking notes at how efficient they are

To be fair, the Gemstore team doesn’t have to deal with the trouble of implementing methods to acquire the skins they make.

runeblade.7514:

Here is a solution, use the karma currency. Make Karma relevant again.

Sounds like fun, I have 14million Karma… Too much EotM, rofl.

i don’t mind people to be able to “earn” stuff as long as i can still buy it in the gemshop.

Haven’t they already done this?

I’m sure I remember an announcement from shortly before HoT came out that they wouldn’t be adding any new armour sets to the gem store, only outfits.

Looking at the wiki (specifically page creation dates) we don’t seem to have had any new gem store armour sets for about a year now. Since then it’s just been the old ones being added and removed periodically.

Danikat.8537:

Haven’t they already done this?

I’m sure I remember an announcement from shortly before HoT came out that they wouldn’t be adding any new armour sets to the gem store, only outfits.

Looking at the wiki (specifically page creation dates) we don’t seem to have had any new gem store armour sets for about a year now. Since then it’s just been the old ones being added and removed periodically.

People are reacting to Xera’s mask as if it were an “armor set” rather than a single piece skin. For me, that’s hardly different from all the backpack skins that have been released.

I think a big part of the problem is that ANet just isn’t releasing as much content as some of us got used to in the game’s early days and some of us would like to see more skins that represent skill or at least perseverance at a particular game mode.

Unfortunately, ANet just can’t develop that many skins; there just isn’t enough time in the year. And, there’s also a vocal minority of players who don’t like any skins to be exclusive.

tl;dr

• Not enough exclusivity and too much, depending on your point of view.
• Not enough skins in general and certainly not enough to fit anyone’s preference for how they are obtained.
• Leads to people being bent out of shape whenever a skin is released that doesn’t add to their preferred acquisition method.

I totally agree. The game has mutated into Gemwars, Piles of Salt.

zaced.7948:

i don’t mind people to be able to “earn” stuff as long as i can still buy it in the gemshop.

Wat

Before they can introduce more mode-specific armors they need to deal with the drought of new non-account bound armor found through open world PvE or available on the TP. I suspect a big part of the reason there’s been such a backlash about the raid armor and the pvp wings is because those harder-to-attain pieces have been about the only new stuff we’ve seen, with the exception of outfits, for a long while. Continuing that trend would run the risk of further alienating a lot of A-net’s more casual playerbase.

Skins locked behind particular content -can- be okay, but not when they’re the only new skins we get.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

Galtrix.7369:

literally ALL of the coolest armor that I’ve seen needs to be bought on the Gem-store.

I have yet to see a single armor in the gemshop that I was willing to spend gems or gold to get. Everyone’s tastes are different.

No matter how great you think the armor is, a huge fraction of players will hate it and vice versa. That means the only ‘solution’ is for ANet to add as many skins as possible in as many different ways as possible, to try to cover everyone’s playstyles and interests. Gem shop skins are great for some people because anyone can get them, regardless of the content they like.

The only problem with this plan is skins are one of the most expensive assets in the game to produce. ANet has no way of putting out as many skins as possible.

I’d certainly like to see more in the game, but I’d also like to continue playing the game for free, without paying a sub or paying for an expansion more often than once every 18-36 months. That means putting up with a bunch of cool stuff in the gem shop. I can live with that.

Of course, my opinion is only one opinion. I like most of the armor in the gem-store and I think it ruins the game (for me at least) when I see level 10s walking around with armor that’s cooler than mine and with armor that normally looks like level 80 armor. I’m not going to drag other MMORPG’s into this, but I really do think there’s a logic behind the armor gradually increasing in how nice it looks – scaling with the levels. It may sound a little selfish, but it makes me feel extremely ordinary when everyone (regardless of level) can look powerful when all they did was pull out their wallets and I had to spend hours upon hours getting my stuff.

I definitely agree… skins are expensive to produce, but that’s not Anet’s only source of income. Would their income take a hit? Yes, at the beginning. I’m of the opinion that, over time, more players would join or come back due to skins being released “not through the gem-store”. I would definitely play more often if they released, let’s say, 5 new armor sets.

Galtrix.7369:

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

Galtrix.7369:

literally ALL of the coolest armor that I’ve seen needs to be bought on the Gem-store.

I have yet to see a single armor in the gemshop that I was willing to spend gems or gold to get. Everyone’s tastes are different.

No matter how great you think the armor is, a huge fraction of players will hate it and vice versa. That means the only ‘solution’ is for ANet to add as many skins as possible in as many different ways as possible, to try to cover everyone’s playstyles and interests. Gem shop skins are great for some people because anyone can get them, regardless of the content they like.

The only problem with this plan is skins are one of the most expensive assets in the game to produce. ANet has no way of putting out as many skins as possible.

I’d certainly like to see more in the game, but I’d also like to continue playing the game for free, without paying a sub or paying for an expansion more often than once every 18-36 months. That means putting up with a bunch of cool stuff in the gem shop. I can live with that.

Of course, my opinion is only one opinion. I like most of the armor in the gem-store and I think it ruins the game (for me at least) when I see level 10s walking around with armor that’s cooler than mine and with armor that normally looks like level 80 armor. I’m not going to drag other MMORPG’s into this, but I really do think there’s a logic behind the armor gradually increasing in how nice it looks – scaling with the levels. It may sound a little selfish, but it makes me feel extremely ordinary when everyone (regardless of level) can look powerful when all they did was pull out their wallets and I had to spend hours upon hours getting my stuff.

I definitely agree… skins are expensive to produce, but that’s not Anet’s only source of income. Would their income take a hit? Yes, at the beginning. I’m of the opinion that, over time, more players would join or come back due to skins being released “not through the gem-store”. I would definitely play more often if they released, let’s say, 5 new armor sets.

What if that level 10 is an alt belonging to someone who also has at least 1 level 80 and they bought the gem store armour by running dungeons and then converting the gold to gems?

Does that make it acceptable?

And if so how can you tell, just by looking at what they’re wearing, which of those two it is?

Galtrix.7369:

Would their income take a hit? Yes, at the beginning. I’m of the opinion that, over time, more players would join or come back due to skins being released “not through the gem-store”. I would definitely play more often if they released, let’s say, 5 new armor sets.

I’m guessing Anet’s data might not agree with that, because they don’t do it. If they continue to put outfits in the gem store, it’s safe to say the outfits probably pay for themselves. If putting new armor in the game (for karma, map tokens, WvW badges, etc.) were profitable (from increased sales of…boosters? Toys? Bag slots?) I would expect them to do that as well.

If they were both profitable, I would expect them to do both. Everyone would like more armor, always, but would it be more profitable than selling outfits, which are cheaper to make and more directly pay for themselves?

Danikat.8537:

What if that level 10 is an alt belonging to someone who also has at least 1 level 80 and they bought the gem store armour by running dungeons and then converting the gold to gems?

Does that make it acceptable?

And if so how can you tell, just by looking at what they’re wearing, which of those two it is?

Again, please don’t be angry with me for putting my opinion out there, because it is just an opinion….

No. I don’t really think any level 10’s should be able to wear that kind of armor, regardless of having a level 80 or not. I know I said I wasn’t going to drag any mmo’s into this, but I have to do a comparison here. When WoW introduced Heirloom items, people threw fits because of how high-level the armor looked. A lot of people made the argument that wearing rags at the beginning, leveling up and then getting better and better-looking was part of the experience.

Slowly increasing the look of your armor is something that makes you feel good… but when someone can just buy good-looking armor for real cash, it breaks the immersion completely.

well the only weapons on the gemstore are the skins from the Heroes. as for armor MOST of it is a stupid outfit. And there are limits there that make it NOT a worth while purchase.

Personally I think they need to stop with the outfits and make sets again, and have 30% of the sets on the gem store available in game. And equalize the armor quality so that your not locked into the gem store for A grade armor all the time.

This game is based around cosmetics, its time they figured that out.

Anet still fails to realize that their entire reward structure is based around cosmetics. Having the primary source of new cosmetics be the gem store actively discourages people from playing a variety of content and in stead encourages farming whatever grants gold to trade for gems at the fastest rate.

Yes, much of it CAN be traded, but that doesn’t change the fact that they’re still farming gold to buy gems. They’re just buying gems indirectly by purchasing them from another player with a service cost.

The long term effect if such a huge disparity between gem store cosmetics and those added as in game achievements is damaging to overall reward scheme of the game.

There are plenty of compelling rewards early on, as you are still getting gear for stats and unlocking the large pool of skins you may care about that the game actually offers, but we’re in the first major expansion now and the number of skins (again, the only tangible reward for doing anything in GW2) offered by HoT and its subsequent updates versus the number of skins exclusively offered by the gem store is severely out of whack.

Gem store skins used to be interesting options that complimented an already large array of ingame rewards. Now, gem store skins are the vast majority of options for new rewards. That creates an ultimately unrewarding game to play long term.

Kormeg.2469:

zaced.7948:

i don’t mind people to be able to “earn” stuff as long as i can still buy it in the gemshop.

Wat

?
i don’t fully understand your question but i will answer to what i think it means.

i don’t have that much time to play but i have tons of money. so instead of wasting my time playing the game i’d rather buy stuff with money of which i can earn much more than any ingame currency.
an example: let’s assume i want quip. if i farmed to get the mats and to buy the precursor and everything it would take me months if not years. instead i can just exchange 120€ worth of gems for the gold i need to instantly buy it. that’s like half an hour of work for me.

so i’m absolutely fine with skins being able to be earned ingame and even some that are exclusive to specific content which i will never reach. but i also like to have to option to just buy the stuff i want with cash (be it gemshop skins or tp) since that’s way faster and less work to me.

Galtrix.7369:

but it makes me feel extremely ordinary when everyone (regardless of level) can look powerful when all they did was pull out their wallets and I had to spend hours upon hours getting my stuff.

my suggestion would be getting a job.
no srsly now, you can turn this argument around 180°. what about me feeling ordinary when everyone can look powerful when all they did was use the time they seem to have so much of while i can’t because i’m busy making money.

zaced.7948:

…so instead of wasting my time playing the game…

I typed out a whole response and decided against posting it. If you really mean what you said, you and I (and probably many many others) are fundamentally different creatures and no amount of dialogue will change anything.

Good day.

zaced.7948:

Kormeg.2469:

zaced.7948:

i don’t mind people to be able to “earn” stuff as long as i can still buy it in the gemshop.

Wat

?
i don’t fully understand your question but i will answer to what i think it means.

i don’t have that much time to play but i have tons of money. so instead of wasting my time playing the game i’d rather buy stuff with money of which i can earn much more than any ingame currency.
an example: let’s assume i want quip. if i farmed to get the mats and to buy the precursor and everything it would take me months if not years. instead i can just exchange 120€ worth of gems for the gold i need to instantly buy it. that’s like half an hour of work for me.

so i’m absolutely fine with skins being able to be earned ingame and even some that are exclusive to specific content which i will never reach. but i also like to have to option to just buy the stuff i want with cash (be it gemshop skins or tp) since that’s way faster and less work to me.

Galtrix.7369:

but it makes me feel extremely ordinary when everyone (regardless of level) can look powerful when all they did was pull out their wallets and I had to spend hours upon hours getting my stuff.

my suggestion would be getting a job.
no srsly now, you can turn this argument around 180°. what about me feeling ordinary when everyone can look powerful when all they did was use the time they seem to have so much of while i can’t because i’m busy making money.

The logic there doesn’t make much sense, friend. I can’t buy Kobe Bryant’s position on the lakers, because “I obviously didn’t have the time to become as good as him”. He spent time and a lot of effort getting there. Believe it or not, money does not equal the time spent on something.

Kormeg.2469:

zaced.7948:

…so instead of wasting my time playing the game…

I typed out a whole response and decided against posting it. If you really mean what you said, you and I (and probably many many others) are fundamentally different creatures and no amount of dialogue will change anything.

Good day.

In their defense, there is a point to be made here. “Waste your time” playing the game may not be the best way to describe it, but I’m sure there are plenty of people with busy schedules who would love the ability to not worry overmuch about grinding to get that one skin they really really want, and instead just jump to whichever content they like playing best. So it’s more like “Waste your time playing parts of the game you don’t enjoy.”

Galtrix.7369:

Danikat.8537:

What if that level 10 is an alt belonging to someone who also has at least 1 level 80 and they bought the gem store armour by running dungeons and then converting the gold to gems?

Does that make it acceptable?

And if so how can you tell, just by looking at what they’re wearing, which of those two it is?

Again, please don’t be angry with me for putting my opinion out there, because it is just an opinion….

No. I don’t really think any level 10’s should be able to wear that kind of armor, regardless of having a level 80 or not. I know I said I wasn’t going to drag any mmo’s into this, but I have to do a comparison here. When WoW introduced Heirloom items, people threw fits because of how high-level the armor looked. A lot of people made the argument that wearing rags at the beginning, leveling up and then getting better and better-looking was part of the experience.

Slowly increasing the look of your armor is something that makes you feel good… but when someone can just buy good-looking armor for real cash, it breaks the immersion completely.

First off I have to say that I don’t think it breaks immersion at all. Outside of cities you don’t even know what the other person’s level is anyway….. But if we are using the immersion argument then whenever any character wearing lvl 80 gear walks into a lower leveled map the gear should be forcefully stripped from them, because (thanks to a truly awesome idea for level downscaling) their level is forcefully lowered. If I, a level 80 character, walk into Queesndale my “fixed” level is usually lower than 10. How come it is ok for me to wear my level 80 armor at level ~6 while a real level 12 player can’t use the same skins?

About your WoW argument though. First off different game different community. Second off, there is a pretty big difference between a low level armor that looks high level (which means its easily available to lots of people) and a high level armor that you have to earn, but then can skin onto your low level characters. Its comparing apples and oranges at best, apples and tomatoes at worst. Just not the same thing.

I’m not going to get into gem store skins because I don’t want to partake in that discussion. But for skins that you earn in game, after you earn it you should most definitely be allowed to wear it on any character you want, regardless of level.

…just a reminder, since it seems forgotten in this discussion: you can purchase gems for gold. This means that any “gem” store item is available through gameplay, because anything you do earns gold, which converts to gems, which purchases gemstore items.

So, yeah, I can see “it would be great to get it as a drop for X”, but “unfair, gemstore items not available through gameplay” is not really such a valid complaint, yo.

Anet_AndrewM wrote 05 Jul 2016:

We didn’t have the artist time to make a Xera’s Mask helm on the raid team for the last release in addition to the other raid rewards, but thought that it would be an awesome thing to have in the game, so we recommended this as a possible gemstore purchase.

This isn’t a case of the gemstore stealing raid rewards, but rather, the gemstore team came through and added a cool item that was beyond the scope of what we had time to create for the raid.

Just to clarify, it’s not because it was designed by the gemstore team, it’s because it wasn’t designed until after the raid development was complete so it was too late to add it as a raid reward? Am I reading that right?

I’d like to see more skins that can be earned in the game. Ideally, they could have in-game content that that let you pick a skin from the gemstore after you complete the content. You’d be limited to only being able to earn a few gemstore skins that way. If you want more you’d still have to buy them. I’m rather disappointed that there are no glider skins at all that you can earn in game. You get the one default glider skin and all the rest have to be purchased.

i concur, i liked going through the trouble of getting my lightbringers pack. Though the game could use more dungeons with their corresponding armorsets, and there should be challenger modes that give even better armor.

Galtrix.7369:

zaced.7948:

Kormeg.2469:

zaced.7948:

i don’t mind people to be able to “earn” stuff as long as i can still buy it in the gemshop.

Wat

?
i don’t fully understand your question but i will answer to what i think it means.

i don’t have that much time to play but i have tons of money. so instead of wasting my time playing the game i’d rather buy stuff with money of which i can earn much more than any ingame currency.
an example: let’s assume i want quip. if i farmed to get the mats and to buy the precursor and everything it would take me months if not years. instead i can just exchange 120€ worth of gems for the gold i need to instantly buy it. that’s like half an hour of work for me.

so i’m absolutely fine with skins being able to be earned ingame and even some that are exclusive to specific content which i will never reach. but i also like to have to option to just buy the stuff i want with cash (be it gemshop skins or tp) since that’s way faster and less work to me.

Galtrix.7369:

but it makes me feel extremely ordinary when everyone (regardless of level) can look powerful when all they did was pull out their wallets and I had to spend hours upon hours getting my stuff.

my suggestion would be getting a job.
no srsly now, you can turn this argument around 180°. what about me feeling ordinary when everyone can look powerful when all they did was use the time they seem to have so much of while i can’t because i’m busy making money.

The logic there doesn’t make much sense, friend. I can’t buy Kobe Bryant’s position on the lakers, because “I obviously didn’t have the time to become as good as him”. He spent time and a lot of effort getting there. Believe it or not, money does not equal the time spent on something.

you confuse skill with grind. i am doing just fine in the game. i’m a bit rusty when it comes to pvp but raids, max lvl fractals, etc i have no problem with. i just refuse to grind 250 of X. killing an AI ten thousand times with 10000 other people by autoattacking it twice has nothing to do with skill. except for a very few skins have nothing to do with skill. no, i can’t buy kobes spot on the team. but i can buy his jersey and put it in my >wardrobe<.

Onlysaneman.9612:

In their defense, there is a point to be made here. “Waste your time” playing the game may not be the best way to describe it, but I’m sure there are plenty of people with busy schedules who would love the ability to not worry overmuch about grinding to get that one skin they really really want, and instead just jump to whichever content they like playing best. So it’s more like “Waste your time playing parts of the game you don’t enjoy.”

a million times this. i acknowledge the fact that i might not have chosen the ideal wording.

SlippyCheeze.5483:

…just a reminder, since it seems forgotten in this discussion: you can purchase gems for gold. This means that any “gem” store item is available through gameplay, because anything you do earns gold, which converts to gems, which purchases gemstore items.

So, yeah, I can see “it would be great to get it as a drop for X”, but “unfair, gemstore items not available through gameplay” is not really such a valid complaint, yo.

That just makes everyone focus on the activities that grant the most gold. So now you have people grinding Tarir over and over again, because gold is the only thing that matters.

Before I got the Chak weapon skins and some other TD rewards, I had motivation to kill the Chak Gerent. However, after I got those rewards I stopped, because the gold that you get is abysmal. As you can see, in this case the in-game reward made me play in-game content that was not efficient at generating gold.

This is basically the reason why adding a small amount of in-game rewards is disastrous. The bigger the disparity between in-game and and gem store rewards, the more you are encouraged to only grind the most efficient content for generating gold. This reduces the variety of content that you play, which leads to more boredom, which then leads to people leaving the game.

If there were more in-game rewards, it is likely that more gem store items would be bought with real money for two reasons:
1) Player retention would be higher
2) Players would be more focused on acquiring in-game rewards, which would leave less time for gold grinding, which would make buying gems with real money a more appealing prospect.

SlippyCheeze.5483:

…just a reminder, since it seems forgotten in this discussion: you can purchase gems for gold. This means that any “gem” store item is available through gameplay, because anything you do earns gold, which converts to gems, which purchases gemstore items.

So, yeah, I can see “it would be great to get it as a drop for X”, but “unfair, gemstore items not available through gameplay” is not really such a valid complaint, yo.

The outrageous gold to gem ratio makes the complaint valid, unfortunately. I wish it weren’t so, but it is. I honestly can’t say how common gold is nowadays, but back in the days I was playing frequently, it would have taken me months to farm enough gold to buy a costume or a skin. Compare that to the days it takes to get in-game armor, and you’ll start to see the logic.

Galtrix.7369:

Slowly increasing the look of your armor is something that makes you feel good… but when someone can just buy good-looking armor for real cash, it breaks the immersion completely.

That’s an odd interpretation of how transmutation systems work. You’re entitled to your opinion, but you’ll have to forgive the majority of the community for thinking that would make for a much more annoying game.

I can see how that point of view caused you to misunderstand my previous post.

Galtrix.7369:

literally ALL of the coolest armor that I’ve seen needs to be bought on the Gem-store.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

I have yet to see a single armor in the gemshop that I was willing to spend gems or gold to get. Everyone’s tastes are different.

Galtrix.7369:

Of course, my opinion is only one opinion.

My point is that ANet catered to that particular opinion, they’d have more unhappy players than happy ones. This game, like all MMOs, offers a mix of skins, covering all sorts of players.

Galtrix.7369:

I like most of the armor in the gem-store and I think it ruins the game (for me at least) when I see level 10s walking around with armor that’s cooler than mine and with armor that normally looks like level 80 armor.

I’m sure you realize that is a personal pet peeve. I’m sure it’s shared by many, but it runs counter to the general philosophy of the game, in which people get to unlock skins once and apply them as they like.

Galtrix.7369:

I’m not going to drag other MMORPG’s into this, but I really do think there’s a logic behind the armor gradually increasing in how nice it looks – scaling with the levels.

Yes, I grew up with such games and there is a logic, a strong one. But it’s tradition, not a requirement of a good MMO and, more importantly, there are lots of other games that have that.

I’ve always thought it was odd that every adept hero was too poor to afford to look nice. None of them were born rich? None of them had mentors who handed down their fancy armor set? I get not having the stats (lots of gameplay and immersion reasons for that), but I don’t find the argument convincing that the skins have to look dull on a new character.

Galtrix.7369:

It may sound a little selfish, but it makes me feel extremely ordinary when everyone (regardless of level) can look powerful when all they did was pull out their wallets and I had to spend hours upon hours getting my stuff.

Sure, I get that too. Which is why only some fancy skins are in the gem shop — in particular, there are no new armor sets available there (just an odd piece or two, mostly back skins). And it’s why there are some skins that can only be earned via perseverance (e.g. dungeons) and a tiny fraction that can only be earned via skill.

Galtrix.7369:

I definitely agree… skins are expensive to produce, but that’s not Anet’s only source of income. Would their income take a hit? Yes, at the beginning. I’m of the opinion that, over time, more players would join or come back due to skins being released “not through the gem-store”. I would definitely play more often if they released, let’s say, 5 new armor sets.

Great, you’d play more. But would you pay more? Where do you think the money is coming from to pay for this largess? More skins outside the gem shop mean ANet is spending more and not earning more to make up for it.

Finally, it’s my understanding that “immersion” requires one to accept the game as one finds it. In this game, I find myself among people with ginormous wings and baby toons with legendary weapons.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

Great, you’d play more. But would you pay more? Where do you think the money is coming from to pay for this largess? More skins outside the gem shop mean ANet is spending more and not earning more to make up for it.

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Finally, it’s my understanding that “immersion” requires one to accept the game as one finds it. In this game, I find myself among people with ginormous wings and baby toons with legendary weapons.

All valid points…

To your last point: I would gladly throw money at Anet all day long if they added new armor sets that weren’t in the gem-store. It’s just a matter of incredibly bad style that they release armor through the gem-store. Immersion doesn’t exist when I have to get the newest, fanciest armor through a gem-store and not some long, epic quest. I still remember being thoroughly disappointed at how little variety there was in armor at the beginning of the game and how limited of a selection there was. If Anet added more armor, continuously, I would pay lots of money. On random stuff. Just to show my appreciation for what they do. Lately there hasn’t been anything they’ve dished out that I can support with money, quite frankly because I don’t see much quality content being dished out nowadays.

Mostly I’m just peeved that almost no new armor sets have been added to the game since launch, that haven’t been released through the gem-store. (Please, correct me if I’m wrong.) It’s almost like Destiny. To learn about the creatures, the areas, and the lore, you must exit the game and learn about them on the website. Immersion-breaker. In GW2, you don’t have to exit the game, but you buy armor from a gem-store and you don’t get them from quests or dungeons or raids. I’m sorry, but that’s just awful.

Gee, I thought many of the recent threads were lamenting the fact that there is next to no armor in the Gem Store. Only Outfits.

Oh as the next x-pack is closing by , ppl will use any uprroar again , to force the company to lower future x-pac prices :P

This will be fun :P

Galtrix why did you remove the majority of your posts regarding :
’’the company should place more armor ingames and sell more x-packs (agrreeing with Devata) " (WHILE THEY ARE ACTULALY OUTFITS , where they started implating them in the gemstore in Martch-April 2014 instead of armor ……. and the community uproared in Jannuary of 2015 (because they thought they where still be released there? …. I MEAN WTF ? ….)
and later on:
joins different threads for different things , to force the company to lower the price ? :P

Common guys , create a thread that you dont have money …. dont go all the way around :P
Once again it will work as a bad publicity (many sites will pick it up) , that the company will offer a different thing (character slot + refund of the x-pack , but you core game will loose any past progression+ many other things) and will show that cares for its community , while the vocal monirity looks like a duffuss that is trying to stir things up

Dont mess with my plans , s’il vous plaît

There have not been a full armor set in the gem store in ages.

zaced.7948:

a million times this. i acknowledge the fact that i might not have chosen the ideal wording.

I can understand you somewhat. My question now then is do you think there should be separation between what can be bought, and what can be earned? Or do you think as long as a skin is in the game u should be able to drop money on it with no effort?

Killthehealersffs.8940:

Oh as the next x-pack is closing by , ppl will use any uprroar again , to force the company to lower future x-pac prices :P

This will be fun :P

Galtrix why did you remove the majority of your posts regarding :
’’the company should place more armor ingames and sell more x-packs (agrreeing with Devata) " (WHILE THEY ARE ACTULALY OUTFITS , where they started implating them in the gemstore in Martch-April 2014 instead of armor ……. and the community uproared in Jannuary of 2015 (because they thought they where still be released there? …. I MEAN WTF ? ….)
and later on:
joins different threads for different things , to force the company to lower the price ? :P

Common guys , create a thread that you dont have money …. dont go all the way around :P
Once again it will work as a bad publicity (many sites will pick it up) , that the company will offer a different thing (character slot + refund of the x-pack , but you core game will loose any past progression+ many other things) and will show that cares for its community , while the vocal monirity looks like a duffuss that is trying to stir things up

Dont mess with my plans , s’il vous plaît

1. I didn’t remove anything in the history of ever.
2. Not to be rude, but I didn’t understand the majority of your post. It seems like English is a second language for you, so could you maybe rephrase the way you said it?