Most op? Weakest? WvW+spvp.
Personal Opinion Below
SPvP Strongest – Ele
SPvP Weakest – Warrior
Personal Opinion Below
SPvP Strongest – Ele
SPvP Weakest – Warrior
As a warrior main I second this. As for WvW, there’s really no telling. A lot of people would say that thief or mesmer is best in WvW but once you learn to differentiate clones and AoE/learn to register hits on invisible targets they really start to come on an even ground. The weakest in WvW by far are engineers and rangers (until they buff engies and fix the ranger pet AI).
No easy answer to this. I could easily argue that the warrior is the most powerfully OP and the weakest at the same time. Bull Rush + 100blades = massively, ridiculously OP.
BUT! When that’s on cooldown = poop sandwich.
No easy answer to this. I could easily argue that the warrior is the most powerfully OP and the weakest at the same time. Bull Rush + 100blades = massively, ridiculously OP.
BUT! When that’s on cooldown = poop sandwich.
This is true! When a warrior pulls it off its like auto death haha. Outside of that they’re no problem
Havent done much sPvP in a while, but last time I did it was on my warrior, felt kinda UP and slow, might be due to the very limited itemization in sPvP. The same character rocks in WvW when you can balance the spec with gear better.
Most fun class and the one that suits me best for WvW would be the engineer, its a nice class. Running soldier+knight armor(chest+legs), berserk trinkets+rifle 0/20/10/10/30 spec. Deals good damage with a SD based rifle spec that still has very acceptable survivability. Due to traits, classes that open with stuns and crits will struggle with the protection boon, after that its just to control them and fill them with big holes. Very easy to take down GC specs.
Only thing I’d like to change would be the centaur runes into scholar, ruby orbs or divinity, but with the bulky mechanics brought to speedy kits last patch made me settle with centaur+speedy kits for easy swiftness application. Atleast the centaur runes still provide a great power buff.
Weakest for me personally, elementalist, since I suck at playing them.
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Eh. Don’t knock engies aside in WvW. They are great in anti-zerg and zerg warfare.
I typically will run my engie in WvW for this reason. Tons of AoE damage that makes people disburse and fast or die.
I can’t tell you what the meta is for sPvP, but as far as WvW goes Warriors, Guardians, Mesmers, and Elementalists are the best.
Davidah (Guardian) Goloith (Engineer)
Achuni (Mesmer) Doreanora (Thief)
Strong
sPvP- Elementalist
WvW- Mesmer (they are strong overall, but mostly Confusion specs)
Weak*er*
sPvP- Warrior
WvW- Ranger
Eh. Don’t knock engies aside in WvW. They are great in anti-zerg and zerg warfare.
I typically will run my engie in WvW for this reason. Tons of AoE damage that makes people disburse and fast or die.
Actually Engineers are not really bad in zergs, but compared to the other professions they leave a lot to be desired for. Grenades really need to have a toggle so it has more mobility, Flamethrower can get you killed, bombs delay kinda sucks if your grou kitten tomping people pretty fast. Bomb could also really use a shadow step like charge that drops bombs all in a line. Again not bad, but not great. Engineers best role ATM is solo.
Davidah (Guardian) Goloith (Engineer)
Achuni (Mesmer) Doreanora (Thief)
No easy answer to this. I could easily argue that the warrior is the most powerfully OP and the weakest at the same time. Bull Rush + 100blades = massively, ridiculously OP.
BUT! When that’s on cooldown = poop sandwich.
This is true! When a warrior pulls it off its like auto death haha. Outside of that they’re no problem
You realise you can use a stun-break right? or just dodge bulls rush, 100b Warriors are VERY easy to kill if that’s all they rely on.
No easy answer to this. I could easily argue that the warrior is the most powerfully OP and the weakest at the same time. Bull Rush + 100blades = massively, ridiculously OP.
BUT! When that’s on cooldown = poop sandwich.
Or if the target dodges. Or just moves a bit. Unless you pin them down with tangling vines or similar, or the target is stupid, or lags out,100 blades is useless.
What I can say for certain is that Warriors need rework in sPvP. They are without a doubt the weakest. Fitting, really, given how powerful they are at PvE.
Most other classes are viable, though I see Elementalists and Guardians as the top of the current meta-game. Tough to say for sure, though. Bunkering Engineers are somewhat overlooked considering how effective they are in my opinion.
hmmm no necro love?
surely necro’s marks are of some use in WvW.
eh wait this topic is about strongest and weakest.
Strongest
WvW:
- D/D Eles. Stop ignoring the new 55hp monk Anet, it needs nerf quick.
- Eles downed skill broken, allows them to suicide and safely get back in the tower.
- Thief still too bursty against most classes.
sPvP:
- Bunker Eles
- Mesmers on some builds are too tanky while still having big dmg
Weakest
WvW:
- Guardian, no permaswiftess unless slotting 2 utilities for it / wasting your swap, making it slower than even Necros
- Ranger being pet based, and pet being a joke = Ranger being a joke
sPvP:
- Warrior, need more counters to cripple/chill (mobile strikes?) but it isn’t nearly as bad as people make it, I’m pretty good in tPvP with it (mostly thief-killer) and I think it’s mostly a l2p problem.
The issue is it takes a lot more skill to have success in tPvP as a Warrior compared to other classes that you can be good with way more easily
strongest WvW – eles ad mesmers. as if it needed to be asked.. thiefs? cmon no
the ones that deal alot of dmge can be 2 shotted
weakest – warrs and rangers.. and 100 blades is a joke.. cooldown..and oh does the victim have a dodge handy? Guy above me says L2p but he can only kill one class, gj there. Rangers just arent factors at all. ever I pretty much ignore them
SPvP
Strong: Ele, Mesmer
Weak: Warrior and, hate if you want, necro still needs lots of fixes.
WvW:
Strong: Ele, Mesmer and Thief (for 1v1, though this could change)
Weak: Warrior, Necro, maybe Engi?
Fort Aspenwood
There is no weak class in WvW, there are weak builds. A grenade engy, a banner warrior, entangle melee ranger, and a blinds necro all bring far more to the table then the D/D ele everyone complains about. Being able to win a 1v1 in WvW doesn’t amount to being useful.
[CDS] Caedas
Sanctum of Rall
I don’t SPvP much, so I can’t really comment there other than just agree with the consensus.
However, WvW is almost a completely different beast thanks to a tonne of factors; the strongest classes without much thought are Elementalists and Mesmers, although both require a bit of micromanagement, they also both have insane combat versatility.
Weakest will have to go Ranger or Necromancer, while both have great build options in their own ways, they are both hampered thanks to awkward Pet / Minion AI.
I’ll probably get a lot of flack for this, but I would say Warriors are middle ground in WvW; they have good survivability and almost over the top damage output without sacrificing much, if any at all staying power. Their problems lie in predictability, everyone and their mother by now knows the tells of a Hundred Blades or Kill Shot coming their way, and more often than not when fighting 1v1 every class will have a stun break or dodge ready to prevent being hit by a nasty potential one hit kill.
I’m not going to say that career Greatsword + Rifle Warriors are playing wrong, nor going to say if any other tactics or builds have better success, but Warriors aren’t a one trick pony, despite whatever the vocal others will say.
There is no weak class in WvW, there are weak builds. A grenade engy, a banner warrior, entangle melee ranger, and a blinds necro all bring far more to the table then the D/D ele everyone complains about. Being able to win a 1v1 in WvW doesn’t amount to being useful.
Its pretty usefull if you’re only fighting one person.
There are good roamers and there are bad roamers. Good luck taking on say a Mesmer with a Warrior in solo combat, assuming equal skill. It doesnt matter who’s specced for what, the Warrior wont stand a chance. If he is a glass cannon, he’ll have lost 50-100% of his HP before even reaching the Mesmer. And once he reach him… Well you know. Mesmer.
In groups it doesnt really matter, tactics, skill and dumb luck always win.
I’m pretty sure guilds are now enforcing a strict must have a necro alt rule, failing to abide may get you kicked from the guild. Epidemic bombs are too scary, especially when you have to deal with 10 of them.
Build around your zerg not around yourself.
is this a dps discussion or usefullness in general?
Their problems lie in predictability, everyone and their mother by now knows the tells of a Hundred Blades or Kill Shot coming their way, and more often than not when fighting 1v1 every class will have a stun break or dodge ready to prevent being hit by a nasty potential one hit kill.
I’m not going to say that career Greatsword + Rifle Warriors are playing wrong, nor going to say if any other tactics or builds have better success, but Warriors aren’t a one trick pony, despite whatever the vocal others will say.
Yeah I’m pretty sad that most Wars can’t see beyond BullHB / Killshot.
The class has so much more to it, I pretty much use HB on the downed only at this point.
Seems like Warriors forgot Eviscerate, Flurry immob to combo into stuff, good guy Earthshaker….
I don’t blame them because most people in WvW dies to HB/Killshot so they think those gimmicks work in tPvP too… so when they realize they don’t, they think Wars suck but it’s just so far from truth.
in www necros and glamour mesmers are imho over the top when it comes to zegs battles.
And i ve seen many guilds knows this very well…even if its never discussed on official forum … .____. (on non official they are a lot).
Guardians comes next…..
So i still await people to notice….
D/D eles are weak thieves in www….at least until Tomorrow.
Staff is decent though….but im so disgusted from it in PvE that i can t seem to enjoy it :|
(and a D/D ele switching to staff andvice versa is awful those requires completely different builds for www)
A PvE player is supposed to avoid a 1-2 second 1 shotting aoe.
A WWW player is considered uncapable of avoiding a 5,75 second aoe for half his health.
WvWvW
strong: Mesmer (Must have Portal, lot of gimmicks with ranged ae)
weak: Ranger (Pet is useless in siege/zerg, least ranged ae/gimmicks)
Strongest
WvW:
- D/D Eles. Stop ignoring the new 55hp monk Anet, it needs nerf quick.
- Eles downed skill broken, allows them to suicide and safely get back in the tower.
- Thief still too bursty against most classes.
sPvP:
- Bunker Eles
- Mesmers on some builds are too tanky while still having big dmgWeakest
WvW:
- Guardian, no permaswiftess unless slotting 2 utilities for it / wasting your swap, making it slower than even Necros
- Ranger being pet based, and pet being a joke = Ranger being a joke
sPvP:
- Warrior, need more counters to cripple/chill (mobile strikes?) but it isn’t nearly as bad as people make it, I’m pretty good in tPvP with it (mostly thief-killer) and I think it’s mostly a l2p problem.
The issue is it takes a lot more skill to have success in tPvP as a Warrior compared to other classes that you can be good with way more easily
You must run solo a lot bud because you listed the two most played classes in WvW as weak. Warriors if built to tank/shout are one of the strongest and most effective there is. As for as the Guardian being slotted with retreat and save yourself those are the required/standard front lining, shout Guardian build. The strongest guilds run with those.
Davidah (Guardian) Goloith (Engineer)
Achuni (Mesmer) Doreanora (Thief)
I’ll comment on spvp
Strongest.. Up until tonight, burst engi ’s are ridiculous.. Burst thieves always strong and at the other end, bunker eles and Bm ranger are super strong and mesmers always one of the best
Weakest.. Warriors and necro imo
In WvW given the meta is about the deathball, the necro can put on the most hate on the zergs by stripping boons and spreading condi’s and keeping them up. They really shine at the moment.
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weakest – warrs and rangers.. and 100 blades is a joke.. cooldown..and oh does the victim have a dodge handy? Guy above me says L2p but he can only kill one class, gj there. Rangers just arent factors at all. ever I pretty much ignore them
The warrior class isn’t weak. The GS spec is weak for wvw. You should try to run with hammer and perhaps axe offhand as second weapon.
I don’t see why people say rangers are so weak in wvw. Sure, it isn’t the strongest class but it is still very useful. A few good rangers in your zerg and it’ll be deadly as never before.
The root ultimate is the most annoying thing ever for example. Muddy terrain is also awesome. Quickness stomp. etc.
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I don’t see why people say rangers are so weak in wvw. Sure, it isn’t the strongest class but it is still very useful. A few good rangers in your zerg and it’ll be deadly as never before.
The root ultimate is the most annoying thing ever for example. Muddy terrain is also awesome. Haste stomp. etc.
The root is worthless in zergs/sieges.
Haste stomp is worthless in zergs/sieges.
Muddy terrain (ae slow) is redundant on most classes
Ranger have a 15s Waterfield, that’s all.
For every thing else you can bring any other class to the fight with more of everything.
Best option for Ranger in zerg: trait spirits and act as a buffbot.
My opinion in tpvp pov:
Strongest: bunker ele, hybrid BM ranger, condiengy
Really good, but not as strong: confusion mesmer, trapranger, s/d damage ele
Weakest: whatever warrior, staff ele
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weakest – warrs and rangers.. and 100 blades is a joke.. cooldown..and oh does the victim have a dodge handy? Guy above me says L2p but he can only kill one class, gj there. Rangers just arent factors at all. ever I pretty much ignore themThe warrior class isn’t weak. The GS spec is weak for wvw. You should try to run with hammer and perhaps axe offhand as second weapon.
I don’t see why people say rangers are so weak in wvw. Sure, it isn’t the strongest class but it is still very useful. A few good rangers in your zerg and it’ll be deadly as never before.
The root ultimate is the most annoying thing ever for example. Muddy terrain is also awesome. Quickness stomp. etc.
Oh I dont have a problem w my warr..but theres on so many classes and all cant be uber some are broken and some arent working as intended you know? I love love my GS and rifle/LB spec. I do great but its just from alot alot of practice and finding what works for me. I was mainly quoting some other guy talking about 100blades.. its a silly skill.
Rangers main problem is they don’t hit hard enough for me to have to factor them in most situations wvw wise…I’ll just pull my rifle out and they’ll die or i’ll WW them and they’ll die….but oh yes that root utlimate is by far their best skill and is crazy annoying. The problem is balancing their damge with the pet. Must be hard for the devs to make them viable while not breaking them and making them gods.
Damage isn’t everything
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The primary issue with Warriors in sPvP is that they lack a role.
They are not the most effective point holders by far – almost all other classes make far superior bunkers.
They don’t boast superior mobility to be runners, and their purest burst DPS skills are tied to extremely slow and predictable techniques (quickness/100b, Killshot), making them inferior roamers compared to thieves.
Using skills like Eviscerate for quick burst, and tying your utilities to shouts/soldier runes to shed conditions… or even sticking to1HKO types of combos with GS and Rifle can work in open games. (Pretty much anything can work in open games if you play sensibly) I have yet to see it done well in tournaments, however. Nor do I believe I can do it better, as I have tried and failed to produce what I regard to be passing results with my War in tPvP play.