Guild Wars 2

I dont know how fansites such as Dulfy come by such vast amounts of information a day or so before content release, but please stop providing fansites with information before the content is released.

If you stop funneling fansitesinformation, this might spark what we like to calll “wonder”….that feeling we got when we first logged into the game and didnt know what to expect. The experiences that ensued after the “wonder” are talked about for years.

But currently, we go to dulfy, and get a step by step guide to complete the content. And if you dont read the guide, people in map chat tell other folks how to complete parts of it anyways so it is difficult to avoid the information whether you want to follow that website or not.

No, you can turn map chat off as well, or any other chat that is talking about it. You aren’t forced to go to dulfy or look at chat, so you have the option to ignore all of it. It’s really not difficult to avoid that information at all.

Well, Cesmode, I have the same solution for you that I had for all the people that didn’t want an LFG tool added to the game….

If you don’t like it, don’t use it.

Well, that’ll be a hard sell since the other side of the “wonder” coin is “frustration.” I try to avoid frustration as much as possible in games. Life is too short. Also, with content staying for so short a time, if I had to “discover” how to do everything on my own, I wouldn’t be able to experience half the content before it’s gone.

Maybe there’s a way to turn off chat…

I dont even go to the fansites. I log in and play the content blind. Restraint is great, you should try it.

How bout you don’t look at it and leave everyone else to their enjoyment.

cesmode.4257:

I dont know how fansites such as Dulfy come by such vast amounts of information a day or so before content release, but please stop providing fansites with information before the content is released.

Let’s see, they made Dulfy a boss in Fractals and you’re a daily forum complainer – let me know how that works out for you

I would rather see the info released on this official site before a fan site.

Araziel.7201:

Well, Cesmode, I have the same solution for you that I had for all the people that didn’t want an LFG tool added to the game….

If you don’t like it, don’t use it.

Dunno why people have a hard time with that lol

CreativeAnarchy.6324:

I would rather see the info released on this official site before a fan site.

That’s very unlikely to happen simply looking at it from a business perspective.

Dulfy benefits because it get’s exclusive information before anyone else making them the go too guys for info.

Anet benefits because Dulfy promotes their game, it’s basically free marketing. Businesses partner up to promote each other all the time.

I understand the OP’s frustration. I also understand those who don’t want to be frustrated.

I think there’s a middle ground. That is to say, so many people today run to Dulfy before even trying the content that Dulfy has become part of their game..and in doing so they lose the game part of the game.

Taking the scavenger hunt for the plaques in LA. I found all of them without Dulfy…by actually looking around. But the 12th Mariner Plaque was in Orr. I probably wouldn’t have found it without some sort of hint.

Now, finding 11 of them was till doable and fun..but if you just follow the Dulfy guide, there’s literally NOTHING to it. And I mean nothing. You run around and find stuff that someone else locates for you. It would be like playing hide and seek with your eyes open and a hunting dog. This clearly isn’t the way the content was made to be played.

On top of that, you then have people come to the forums and say, I finished all the new content in two hours. They say they give you all this content and in two hours I’m done.

Anet can’t possibly make content so fast that it would take you days to finish using Dulfy.

So people finish the new stuff in 1 day…and then Anet is pretty much forced to come out with new content every two weeks.

Without something like Dulfy you might have had new content once a month and less of a rush….and people are complain about the rush too.

I prefer to just take my time and figure content out…but Dulfy and sights like it are part of what forces the rush.

I still don’t look. But it doesn’t stop me from seeing stuff said in map chat, and you know…I could turn of map chat, but sometimes, there are things in map chat I do need/want to see (like when events are up in certain zones). So turning off map chat, while possible, is not necessarily ideal.

There was a time when getting spoilers was considered a bad thing. In general I consider sites like Dulfy’s to be a bad thing for the RPG genre (though not necessarily the MMO genre).

I know I’ll catch flack for this, but I have thick skin. To be blunt, a lot of short sighted people in this thread. You’re missing the point. As a whole, as a genre, releasing info to fansites so people know exactly how to do content before it is released allows people to burn through it way quicker than arenanet can get the next bit of content out. That creates problems of its own. But it also just fosters grind, boredom, etc.

Sure turn off map chat(but like vayne said, there are things I do want to see in map chat..it isn’t semi-permeable either). Dont look at dulfy’s site..well I dont. Its a concern I have for this game specifically but for the MMO genre(since I love mmos).

During my tenure in WoW, when a new raid was released we rushed right in and wiped for two or three nights until we figured things out. But WE figured it out. And the sense of accomplishment was much, much greater. (At this point, please also spare me the “go back to WoW” bit. I hate the game, but I am using it to make a point). In GW2, we had Dulfy figure it out for us, and then we breeze right through it in game. And then you come to these forums and complain that the game is too easy.

Very shortsighted to sit there and say “dont look at the site and turn off mapchat..”

Take a few steps back and look at the big picture and see that things like this are push people away from what used to make MMOs great…

CreativeAnarchy.6324:

I would rather see the info released on this official site before a fan site.

This^^^^

Dante.1508:

CreativeAnarchy.6324:

I would rather see the info released on this official site before a fan site.

This^^^^

This would be slightly better only because…why is that data on a fansite and not here to begin with if Arenanet is open to sharing it pre release? Which also goes along with posting official updates on reddit, twitter, or facebook rather than here(which I think they ARE getting better at). Besides the point.

Makes me question, why would arenanet want us to know exactly how to beat a bossfight before it is released? Do they think we get more of a sense of enjoyment knowing how to complete the encounter prior to even experiencing it? What is their logic?

A couple of things to consider. From a business point of view, having fansites promote your game helps to not only keep current players updated and informed, but also advertises to other people on their sites who don’t play GW2. This marketing push helps to bring in new players, thus new revenue. Take Dulfy’s site. She talk about other games there too. It’s not like she does this for the freebies.

Another thing is that the internets will always have someone who will post spoilers, tips, or walkthroughs. I still remember going through text based walkthroughs from gamefaqs for Dynasty Warriors. No videos or pictures. We’re talking archaic notepad views that had no search funcion.

So if players want to know something in advance, or learn about boss mechanics, let them. If they blaze through content, just remember that we get new stuff ever 2 weeks. It’s not like they’ll get bored that fast.

It’s great to release some preview information to these sites; get players excited etc. It’s bad to have complete walkthroughs the day before the patch is released.

MMO fans always complain that there’s not enough content. It’s just the way they are. They were doing this long before Dulfy, so I don’t think it would change things much if there were no helps or hints. And for content that comes out so often, many people need that help or they wouldn’t have time to solve everything before the content is completely gone and they didn’t get to enjoy much of it.

Fan sites will have complete walkthroughs within hours of the patch launch. That is not new and wouldn’t change.

My opinion was simply not to allow them to have enough information to post complete walkthroughs before the patch is even released.

Not sure why you say Anet is pre-releasing info to her either. Anytime I’ve checked out that site after a patch all the info wasn’t there yet . I looked on there to see all the Zodiac skins and they weren’t all up yet. She posted as players sent her the pics.

As far as I know it’s all given to her by players that help her out. I don’t think Anet has anything to do with that.

The fansites are essentially the quality assurance and bug testing. They test the bugs out in advantage to release information to the public for publicity. Both ArenaNet and the Fansite benefits on this.

I’ll say it again in every pointless thread like this one, you are not forced to read the guides. If someone in map chat asks for help, don’t be upset that people are willing to help and to spoil the experience for you.

ArenaNet does an effective job to keep spoilers hidden, there’s not even a public test realm! IN other games you would know spoilers MONTHS ahead.

I almost forgot. I ran into Dulfy in Maelstrom on Tarnished Coast walking with a guild bounty mob. She was tracking his path. Again, I don’t think Anet has anything to do with it.

They run press betas for most of the big new content, Dulfy count as press. Get over it.

Celtic Lady.3729:

MMO fans always complain that there’s not enough content. It’s just the way they are. They were doing this long before Dulfy, so I don’t think it would change things much if there were no helps or hints. And for content that comes out so often, many people need that help or they wouldn’t have time to solve everything before the content is completely gone and they didn’t get to enjoy much of it.

This is true, but I still think it would take longer for people to do it, and most people wouldn’t be able to say I was done in two hours without it.

I’m typing on my iPad, so I’ll keep this very brief.

What I feel:
1. I can’t stand all the spoilers and walk-throughs on this, and other sites.
2. I don’t want to have to feel I need to use guilds/spoilers to complete content.
3. The official announcements spoil half the fun by outlining most of the details
4. There is no sense of spontaneity in the Living Story.

Reality:
1. The time requirement for the Living Story can be high
2. I can’t afford to risk not using online guides because I can’t risk missing rewards/AP
3. Map chat is not spoiler free, but has no filter system for other important info
4. ANet is feature/gear focused, not fun focused.

In the end, when you shotgun blast content, players will struggle with finding a balance between fun, and speed. Most players that have played the Living Story releases have learned that you can’t risk taking your time.

When dailies, dungeons, crafting, monthlies, personal story, legendaries, jumping puzzles, socializing, etc, all have to fight for time, many players simply don’t have a choice. They must maximize the little time they have, so they basically cut corners.

In the end, you don’t feel accomplished, or really had all that much fun, but you continue the grind.

But if those sites don’t print guides before the content comes out how will all of these fine people face roll through the new content without thinking!?

How can you ask them to think for themselves! Monster!

Some of us (me) are nitwits and need a guiding hand. I would’ve never been able to do Zephyr Kite JP without Dulfy.

Although I did do everything else by myself in the Zephyr event, except for those kite baskets mentioned above…

But I’ve started to use Dulfy more and more, and I realize how helpful it actually is to me.

I admit it, it took me days to finish some achievements while it would’ve taken me a matter of minutes with a guiding hand. I’m a nitwit sometimes. And for those times, I need help, or I’ll just be running around in a circle like a fool.

I agree. Ignorant people saying “don’t use it if you don’t like it.” Yeah that’s not the point. It’s nice to every once and a while have some mystery and need to figure things out as players.

There were 1 or two patches where some fansites had walkthroughs before the patch. (I think this was mostly during the Zephyrites?) This was because of press beta server which to my understanding hasn’t been active the last 2 patches or so? Dulfy’s isn’t the only site with these walkthroughs so it isn’t just targeted at her site.

It is what those sites do, they provide walkthroughs of current content as well as other things related to the game.

I don’t mind they have them. I can choose not to read them, I can choose to read them if I like and need the help. They are a great and helpful resources for the player base. I just wish that info was released on patch day and not before.

Players know what to do without reading anything, or interacting with much and blast through the content. Then complain there wasn’t anything to do. Or that it was all too easy, etc.

I realize not everyone shares this opinion, which is ok.

TehPwnerer.7215:

I agree. Ignorant people saying “don’t use it if you don’t like it.” Yeah that’s not the point. It’s nice to every once and a while have some mystery and need to figure things out as players.

This is just selfish. Fansites like Dulfy’s that provide walkthroughs don’t ruin “mystery” because the official site already provides information about upcoming patches way before Dulfy does.

Just out of curiosity, can you guys specify examples of particular infos you see on MAP CHAT that you didn’t want to read (spoiled the patch for you)?

Also, burning through content fast is not a problem if it’s enjoyable. You know, replayability and and all that.

Leo Paul.1659:

TehPwnerer.7215:

I agree. Ignorant people saying “don’t use it if you don’t like it.” Yeah that’s not the point. It’s nice to every once and a while have some mystery and need to figure things out as players.

This is just selfish. Fansites like Dulfy’s that provide walkthroughs don’t ruin “mystery” because the official site already provides information about upcoming patches way before Dulfy does.

Just out of curiosity, can you guys specify examples of particular infos you see on map chat that you didn’t want to read (spoiled the patch for you)?

Also, burning through content fast is not a problem if it’s enjoyable. You know, replayability and and all that.

There’s a big difference between a teaser and a walkthrough. A really REALLY big difference.

There’s no way you can compare what’s on the official site with what’s on the Dulfy site. The official site has relatively few spoilers…if any.

Vayne.8563:

Leo Paul.1659:

TehPwnerer.7215:

I agree. Ignorant people saying “don’t use it if you don’t like it.” Yeah that’s not the point. It’s nice to every once and a while have some mystery and need to figure things out as players.

This is just selfish. Fansites like Dulfy’s that provide walkthroughs don’t ruin “mystery” because the official site already provides information about upcoming patches way before Dulfy does.

Just out of curiosity, can you guys specify examples of particular infos you see on map chat that you didn’t want to read (spoiled the patch for you)?

Also, burning through content fast is not a problem if it’s enjoyable. You know, replayability and and all that.

There’s a big difference between a teaser and a walkthrough. A really REALLY big difference.

There’s no way you can compare what’s on the official site with what’s on the Dulfy site. The official site has relatively few spoilers…if any.

I know, but what mystery is being ruined by a walkthrough if you already know what the event is and its rewards when it’s already been released via the official site? You even get the information in-game via the achievement panel.

Still, provide an example of what information has been spoiled to you via map chat.

TehPwnerer.7215:

I agree. Ignorant people saying “don’t use it if you don’t like it.” Yeah that’s not the point. It’s nice to every once and a while have some mystery and need to figure things out as players.

HUH? What? The statement to not look if you don’t want to know in advance is very valid and the mystery stays just that a mystery IF you just don’t use it, in essence what your saying is that everyone is weak, after all it IS A CHOICE you can CHOOSE to do so or not, you’re not being forced to use Dulfy or any other site, I usually try on my own most times, but, when time is against me or I get completely stumped I will look to a guide, everything in life has guides of some sort, schooling is probably the best example of this, try doing “Boolean Algebra” for the first time without a guide.

Leo Paul.1659:

Vayne.8563:

Leo Paul.1659:

TehPwnerer.7215:

I agree. Ignorant people saying “don’t use it if you don’t like it.” Yeah that’s not the point. It’s nice to every once and a while have some mystery and need to figure things out as players.

This is just selfish. Fansites like Dulfy’s that provide walkthroughs don’t ruin “mystery” because the official site already provides information about upcoming patches way before Dulfy does.

Just out of curiosity, can you guys specify examples of particular infos you see on map chat that you didn’t want to read (spoiled the patch for you)?

Also, burning through content fast is not a problem if it’s enjoyable. You know, replayability and and all that.

There’s a big difference between a teaser and a walkthrough. A really REALLY big difference.

There’s no way you can compare what’s on the official site with what’s on the Dulfy site. The official site has relatively few spoilers…if any.

I know, but what mystery is being ruined by a walkthrough if you already know what the event is and its rewards when it’s already been released via the official site? You even get the information in-game via the achievement panel.

Still, provide an example of what information has been spoiled to you via map chat.

It’s not a question of mystery, it’s a question of wanting to solve stuff. The simplest and most recent example there was was when I walked into the Pavillion after doing the Funhouse and some guy was saying, sure the haystack is right here.

I’m pretty sure I could have found the haystack looking myself, but after seeing that in map chat, I didn’t have the option.

And sure, I could turn off map chat, but I lose other benefits of map chat.

Every time there’s some sort of event that requires search, some “helpful” person in map chat will tell everyone where it is, whether they care to see/hear it or not. I can’t know for sure that all those people got this information off one of the sites, but I can say that people who like to find out stuff themselves, probably aren’t the people in map chat sharing this stuff.

cesmode.4257:

I know I’ll catch flack for this, but I have thick skin. To be blunt, a lot of short sighted people in this thread. You’re missing the point. As a whole, as a genre, releasing info to fansites so people know exactly how to do content before it is released allows people to burn through it way quicker than arenanet can get the next bit of content out. That creates problems of its own. But it also just fosters grind, boredom, etc.

Sure turn off map chat(but like vayne said, there are things I do want to see in map chat..it isn’t semi-permeable either). Dont look at dulfy’s site..well I dont. Its a concern I have for this game specifically but for the MMO genre(since I love mmos).

During my tenure in WoW, when a new raid was released we rushed right in and wiped for two or three nights until we figured things out. But WE figured it out. And the sense of accomplishment was much, much greater. (At this point, please also spare me the “go back to WoW” bit. I hate the game, but I am using it to make a point). In GW2, we had Dulfy figure it out for us, and then we breeze right through it in game. And then you come to these forums and complain that the game is too easy.

Very shortsighted to sit there and say “dont look at the site and turn off mapchat..”

Take a few steps back and look at the big picture and see that things like this are push people away from what used to make MMOs great…

You should go and petition blizzard to put an end to all Addon/mode if you feel that strong about things that can ruined the game. Lets not forget to tell them to get rid of that Questhelper rip off which is now in game and no longer a addon.

They are not released to fansites first. They give you a sneak peek on twitter and reddit. That’s how the information is available on dulfy.

Vayne.8563:

Leo Paul.1659:

Vayne.8563:

Leo Paul.1659:

TehPwnerer.7215:

I agree. Ignorant people saying “don’t use it if you don’t like it.” Yeah that’s not the point. It’s nice to every once and a while have some mystery and need to figure things out as players.

This is just selfish. Fansites like Dulfy’s that provide walkthroughs don’t ruin “mystery” because the official site already provides information about upcoming patches way before Dulfy does.

Just out of curiosity, can you guys specify examples of particular infos you see on map chat that you didn’t want to read (spoiled the patch for you)?

Also, burning through content fast is not a problem if it’s enjoyable. You know, replayability and and all that.

There’s a big difference between a teaser and a walkthrough. A really REALLY big difference.

There’s no way you can compare what’s on the official site with what’s on the Dulfy site. The official site has relatively few spoilers…if any.

I know, but what mystery is being ruined by a walkthrough if you already know what the event is and its rewards when it’s already been released via the official site? You even get the information in-game via the achievement panel.

Still, provide an example of what information has been spoiled to you via map chat.

It’s not a question of mystery, it’s a question of wanting to solve stuff. The simplest and most recent example there was was when I walked into the Pavillion after doing the Funhouse and some guy was saying, sure the haystack is right here.

I’m pretty sure I could have found the haystack looking myself, but after seeing that in map chat, I didn’t have the option.

And sure, I could turn off map chat, but I lose other benefits of map chat.

Every time there’s some sort of event that requires search, some “helpful” person in map chat will tell everyone where it is, whether they care to see/hear it or not. I can’t know for sure that all those people got this information off one of the sites, but I can say that people who like to find out stuff themselves, probably aren’t the people in map chat sharing this stuff.

And this is why your argument is so weak. It relies on baseless assumption.

There will always be people who will solve puzzles faster than you, and people who can’t solve them are allowed to ask for help and be helped in return via map chat. Blaming it on fansites is ridiculous.

It’s a foolish notion that fansites that intend to aid the community would ruin an MMO just because it allows SOME players to do quests faster.

Leo Paul.1659:

Vayne.8563:

Leo Paul.1659:

Vayne.8563:

Leo Paul.1659:

TehPwnerer.7215:

I agree. Ignorant people saying “don’t use it if you don’t like it.” Yeah that’s not the point. It’s nice to every once and a while have some mystery and need to figure things out as players.

This is just selfish. Fansites like Dulfy’s that provide walkthroughs don’t ruin “mystery” because the official site already provides information about upcoming patches way before Dulfy does.

Just out of curiosity, can you guys specify examples of particular infos you see on map chat that you didn’t want to read (spoiled the patch for you)?

Also, burning through content fast is not a problem if it’s enjoyable. You know, replayability and and all that.

There’s a big difference between a teaser and a walkthrough. A really REALLY big difference.

There’s no way you can compare what’s on the official site with what’s on the Dulfy site. The official site has relatively few spoilers…if any.

I know, but what mystery is being ruined by a walkthrough if you already know what the event is and its rewards when it’s already been released via the official site? You even get the information in-game via the achievement panel.

Still, provide an example of what information has been spoiled to you via map chat.

It’s not a question of mystery, it’s a question of wanting to solve stuff. The simplest and most recent example there was was when I walked into the Pavillion after doing the Funhouse and some guy was saying, sure the haystack is right here.

I’m pretty sure I could have found the haystack looking myself, but after seeing that in map chat, I didn’t have the option.

And sure, I could turn off map chat, but I lose other benefits of map chat.

Every time there’s some sort of event that requires search, some “helpful” person in map chat will tell everyone where it is, whether they care to see/hear it or not. I can’t know for sure that all those people got this information off one of the sites, but I can say that people who like to find out stuff themselves, probably aren’t the people in map chat sharing this stuff.

And this is why your argument is so weak. It relies on baseless assumption.

There will always be people who will solve puzzles faster than you, and people who can’t solve them are allowed to ask for help and be helped in return via map chat. Blaming it on fansites is ridiculous.

It’s a foolish notion that fansites that intend to aid the community would ruin an MMO just because it allows SOME players to do quests faster.

My assumption isn’t baseless at all. There are people who solve puzzles faster than me…but there aren’t like that many. I solve puzzles relatively fast. But if you can go to a fan site and a hundred thousand people have the answer before the content actually launches (and yes that has happened), then 100,000 people have a chance to say something in map chat, instead of the 10 or 20 thousand that might have figured it out before me.

If you honestly think that people don’t go to fan sites to get this information and then share it all over map chat, I’m not sure there’s anything left to talk about.

And people like me, and those people I know, who do solve puzzles, wouldn’t think to say it aloud in map chat, because even if someone did ask for help, I’d whisper them so as not to spoil it for anyone else.

Once upon a time, that was called consideration.

I wouldn’t do it any more than I’d sit in a movie theater and reveal who the murderer is, just because I’d read the book first.

How would you know if there really aren’t that many? Again, baseless assumption unless you can provide concrete statistical data. Nice false analogy with movie spoilers there by the way, “apples and oranges”. And what makes you think answering a question asked in map chat via the same method is inconsiderate? Again with the condescension. It could just as easily be helpful and definitely more efficient for people who wants to know the same thing than whispering every single one of them.

These fansites aren’t meant for people like you who enjoy taking their time doing quests. So don’t look, simple. If someone mentions something you don’t want to hear via map chat, tough luck. But it happens. Deal with it. Don’t blame it on the fansites

Crazylegsmurphy.6430:

I’m typing on my iPad, so I’ll keep this very brief.

What I feel:
1. I can’t stand all the spoilers and walk-throughs on this, and other sites.
2. I don’t want to have to feel I need to use guilds/spoilers to complete content.
3. The official announcements spoil half the fun by outlining most of the details
4. There is no sense of spontaneity in the Living Story.

Reality:
1. The time requirement for the Living Story can be high
2. I can’t afford to risk not using online guides because I can’t risk missing rewards/AP
3. Map chat is not spoiler free, but has no filter system for other important info
4. ANet is feature/gear focused, not fun focused.

In the end, when you shotgun blast content, players will struggle with finding a balance between fun, and speed. Most players that have played the Living Story releases have learned that you can’t risk taking your time.

When dailies, dungeons, crafting, monthlies, personal story, legendaries, jumping puzzles, socializing, etc, all have to fight for time, many players simply don’t have a choice. They must maximize the little time they have, so they basically cut corners.

In the end, you don’t feel accomplished, or really had all that much fun, but you continue the grind.

I feel this way with things too, from time to time and this is the exact mentality/feeling that I thought arenanet wanted to avoid.

But we’ll also always have the “dont like it dont use it”, “you dont need to do the LS/achieves/new content..noone forcing you” type of responses. True, and no one forced anyone to do anything in WoW, Rift, LOTRO either. You just did it because it was there. Its no different here.

GW2 is trying to be a gem with its content, but its no unique snowflake. I love the game, but some things just irk me beyond measure.

Leo Paul.1659:

TehPwnerer.7215:

I agree. Ignorant people saying “don’t use it if you don’t like it.” Yeah that’s not the point. It’s nice to every once and a while have some mystery and need to figure things out as players.

This is just selfish. Fansites like Dulfy’s that provide walkthroughs don’t ruin “mystery” because the official site already provides information about upcoming patches way before Dulfy does.

Just out of curiosity, can you guys specify examples of particular infos you see on MAP CHAT that you didn’t want to read (spoiled the patch for you)?

Also, burning through content fast is not a problem if it’s enjoyable. You know, replayability and and all that.

1. There are no walkthroughs on arenanet’s website. There are walk throughs on dulfys, sometimes day before, sometimes day of. And she has nearly all of it done and complete on her website shortly after the patch is released. While it takes us hours, days or a week to do even with her guides, she has it all completely written out on her site, the day of the patch release..at the latest.

2. I dont have screenshots obviously, but more often than not people ask “Where do I find xyz”, “How do I do this”… all within an hour or two of patch release. And the only way some people are able to answer this is by reading these guides a head of time. Now, if those questions were asked 6 or 12 hours after patch release it is obviously feasable that people have completed it on their own. But right as a patch drops, people already know what to do and that, IMO, is wrong.

tom.7468:

They are not released to fansites first. They give you a sneak peek on twitter and reddit. That’s how the information is available on dulfy.

Sorry, incorrect. Dulfy has step by step instructions on how to complete events sometimes day before, or day of. She has literally everything done and written out while the rest of us are just starting.

Kind of curious why people are supporting guides.

-The majority of this community complains the game is too easy
-The majority of this community complains that there isnt enough to do

So what do we do? Turn to a site like dulfy, have everything spelled out in crayon… and complete the achievements in a few days. There was no learning curve. No figuring things out. No difficulty. She tells you how to do liadri pretty early in the Crown Pavilion patch. Things like that, dumb down the game. Yes, Liadri is still hard, but it would have been more challenging without her guide.

So now that you have followed her guides, completed everything two or three times faster than normal without any self gratification of figuring it out for yourself, you sit there complaining that there isnt anything to do.

As a result, many people have done the same thing..burned through the newly released content and arenanet is forced to adopt a 2 week living story schedule because their statistics tell them that player activity drops after 2 weeks. I wonder if that is because we had guiding hands for each content release, instead of taking the time to do it ourselves.

Edit: Sorry for multiple posts I leave posts for a hours or a day, and come back…read and reply when I have an opinion

Leo Paul.1659:

How would you know if there really aren’t that many? Again, baseless assumption unless you can provide concrete statistical data. Nice false analogy with movie spoilers there by the way, “apples and oranges”. And what makes you think answering a question asked in map chat via the same method is inconsiderate? Again with the condescension. It could just as easily be helpful and definitely more efficient for people who wants to know the same thing than whispering every single one of them.

These fansites aren’t meant for people like you who enjoy taking their time doing quests. So don’t look, simple. If someone mentions something you don’t want to hear via map chat, tough luck. But it happens. Deal with it. Don’t blame it on the fansites

Don’t tell me who to blame and who not to blame.

Those who remember what RPGs were, will probably understand what I’m talking about. If you think that these fan sites are doing a service to the genre, that’s all well and good. I don’t, and apparently other people don’t either.

The simplest logic in the world dictates that the more people who know about something, the more likely the secret will get out. This isn’t something you need to argue, because it’s not possible to argue. There’s no proof necessary.

If 10 people know something, there’s less a chance seeing it in map chat than if 10,000 people know something.

If you have an argument with that logic, I’d love to hear it.

Or……………..don’t look at Dulfy before a patch launch. Just a thought…

I’ve played Guild Wars only the couple “I need help with a dungeon tactic real quick” and have only used GW wiki my whole playtime. No guides, no forums to help.

Then went to Aion for a bit. I can tell you right now, there are almost no guides to do anything. It was either through experiences, word of mouth , or forums. And even them first hand experience was the “best” . Ever try Dark Poeta or Dragon Lord’s Sanctuary with no prior knowledge? Yeah, it’s hard. Also, the patch notes were kind of vague at times

Finally GW2 comes out and Fansites post great guides to content. This is great for me. I can actually get those annoying “find Kite basket/x and get 5 pts. Of achievement.” And enjoy the other part of the * temporary* content that I actually enjoy (and not really use much guidance on) like Invasions, Sanctum ] sprint, Aspect Arena

Also, the quicker I get done with some Achievements, The more wvw time I get

What the heck is a Dulfy?!

It doesnt matter. Ghostcrawler even posted at some point on the wow forums that no matter what they do, fansites or someone else will post on how to beat something. There are walkthroughs on youtube for jump puzzI If you want to be surprised, have restraint and dont look. The devs can only do so much.

Vayne.8563:

Leo Paul.1659:

How would you know if there really aren’t that many? Again, baseless assumption unless you can provide concrete statistical data. Nice false analogy with movie spoilers there by the way, “apples and oranges”. And what makes you think answering a question asked in map chat via the same method is inconsiderate? Again with the condescension. It could just as easily be helpful and definitely more efficient for people who wants to know the same thing than whispering every single one of them.

These fansites aren’t meant for people like you who enjoy taking their time doing quests. So don’t look, simple. If someone mentions something you don’t want to hear via map chat, tough luck. But it happens. Deal with it. Don’t blame it on the fansites

Don’t tell me who to blame and who not to blame.

Those who remember what RPGs were, will probably understand what I’m talking about. If you think that these fan sites are doing a service to the genre, that’s all well and good. I don’t, and apparently other people don’t either.

The simplest logic in the world dictates that the more people who know about something, the more likely the secret will get out. This isn’t something you need to argue, because it’s not possible to argue. There’s no proof necessary.

If 10 people know something, there’s less a chance seeing it in map chat than if 10,000 people know something.

If you have an argument with that logic, I’d love to hear it.

You don’t even know how many people actually view the websites and how many just follow the instructions provided in-game. You are only making an assumption based on insufficient evidence; leaping to a conclusion, that just because people know, people will squeal.

It is just YOUR preference not to be informed, so why should they bend according to what you want? If guides bother you so much, then make an effort to not be “spoiled” instead of asking them not to do something which is beneficial for the rest of us. Your sense of entitlement is astounding.

GW2 caters to casual gamers, people who can’t afford to spend too much time looking for “X”.

While guides and walkthroughs are useful by themselves, making them available too early is not healthy for the overall gaming experience.

Even though people want an easy access to stuff without “working” for it, it’s not a good idea to just give them what they want.

TehPwnerer.7215:

I agree. Ignorant people saying “don’t use it if you don’t like it.” Yeah that’s not the point. It’s nice to every once and a while have some mystery and need to figure things out as players.

I disagree.

No one is forcing you to go to those sites. You only go there when you click on the link in your personal browser.