My critical issues with GW2 combat

My critical issues with GW2 combat

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Posted by: Reiizm.5871

Reiizm.5871

Before I begin, please understand that this is not a rant.
I love GW2, and I want it to succeed.
I may come off as over-critical, but I’m just being objective.
If you disagree at all, that’s fine, just be constructive about it.

The way Anet described/displayed the combat when it was still in alpha had me floored.
I resent tab-targeting & GW2’s action-oriented combat looked so very promising.
When I experienced it first-hand, I wasn’t let down. The controls were slick and the combat was lively.

However, I realized that in retrospect, I definitely got way too excited.
I recommend watching this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQPVoVaPOQU
TL;DW: It’s a 12 minute video going over the rationale behind MMO combat restrictions and limitations.

Now, GW2 has jumped many hurdles regarding constraints in MMO combat. When it comes to GW2 combat, Words like “smooth” and “responsive” come to mind. However, as it stands, GW2’s combat feels like a prototype for something that could be much better. It feels unfinished. Half-complete. The combat is desperately missing something. Attacks are all lacking impact. Enemies exhibit almost no physical reaction from damage. Some will do an ignorable twitch on hit and that’s it. Attacks don’t feel like they have any real weight to them. You just see the enemy’s health go down and/or they gain a condition. It might as well be tab-targeting combat.

From what I’ve experienced, the main 4 mechanics of combat are damage, boons, conditions and crowd control. This really disappoints the whole action-combat aspect because dodging & positioning aren’t on that list. They don’t need to be in GW2’s case. Bosses can just be zerged to death while cheap gimmicks take place to draw out the battle. For example: The Fire-Shaman. Zerg him down with constant stuns/conditions/damage until he summons the fire elemental. Kill the minions until it’s gone and zerg him again. It’s the same with the Risen Priestess of Lyssa. Zerg her while she teleports all over the place, turn around when she uses corrupted gaze. Make sure all 3 outer seals stay captured so you can continue to zerg her. There are seldom any real anti-zerg mechanics on bosses. As I said, there are only cheap gimmicks that break up zerging and prolong the battle.

Anet’s heart was in the right place when they got rid of the holy trinity. Waiting around for a specific role is something many will not miss. However, the way they went about removing the holy trinity introduced a whole new problem: You did not matter (unless you’re a guardian for dungeons). Back when I used to play WoW, I was invaluable for having a maxed priest. My guild would often wait around for me to get home from school just so they could get the raid going. I also play a priest in TERA, and I’ll often bring party members back from the brink of death in an instant. It feels good knowing that you matter – that you’re required for a group to succeed. In GW2, since every class has a bit of every role integrated in their skillset, you’re not needed. In large-scale meta-events, it makes virtually no difference whether you’re present or not. You’re just a foot soldier – a number. This also really hinders teamwork compared to the holy trinity. in GW2 it’s every man for themselves, but with the holy trinity, all roles interact in such a way that they need each other to succeed which encourages unity and teamwork. In GW2 it’s just about having the right number.

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Posted by: Zacchary.6183

Zacchary.6183

I somehow think anet WANTS a mindless zergy type combat where sparkles and explosions cover the screen.

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Posted by: EdgarMTanaka.7291

EdgarMTanaka.7291

Why are you comparing world bosses?
Try fighting lets say Clockheart without dodging, try to stand with the Zerg fighting Tequatil without dodging or jumping or try to solo most champions in the World without dodging.

And I don’t want another bring back holy trinity thread back.
One of the reasons why Holy Trinity was removed from GW2 is to remove the “LF1M Healer!” stuff.
I would like you to try and gather a whole group where no one does any AoE heals no Combo fields and no Combo finnishers of any sort and see how this everyman for themselves works out. You may not notice it but there are so many out there helping eachother and there are many who rezzes and keeps poeple on their feets.

A zerg is always a Zerg and it would still be a Zerg even if GW2 would have been Holy Trinity made. DPSers and tanks in front. ranged and healers at the back and healing spamming ftw.

As I started to point out, A-net is doing their best to make fights more interesting and not just stack and spank tactics just as you see with Clockheart and Tequatil.
And you can even see some changes to Fire Elemental that is interesting, I usually make a few hits at the fire Elemental and starts to rez players who are down becouse alot of players gets downed at that fight nowdays… And sadly so many dead players are moping around waiting for rezzes instead of WP-ing.

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Posted by: Zacchary.6183

Zacchary.6183

^ they need to do that more with regular mobs too

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Posted by: Reiizm.5871

Reiizm.5871

Why are you comparing world bosses?
Try fighting lets say Clockheart without dodging, try to stand with the Zerg fighting Tequatil without dodging or jumping or try to solo most champions in the World without dodging.

And I don’t want another bring back holy trinity thread back.
One of the reasons why Holy Trinity was removed from GW2 is to remove the “LF1M Healer!” stuff.
I would like you to try and gather a whole group where no one does any AoE heals no Combo fields and no Combo finnishers of any sort and see how this everyman for themselves works out. You may not notice it but there are so many out there helping eachother and there are many who rezzes and keeps poeple on their feets.

A zerg is always a Zerg and it would still be a Zerg even if GW2 would have been Holy Trinity made. DPSers and tanks in front. ranged and healers at the back and healing spamming ftw.

As I started to point out, A-net is doing their best to make fights more interesting and not just stack and spank tactics just as you see with Clockheart and Tequatil.
And you can even see some changes to Fire Elemental that is interesting, I usually make a few hits at the fire Elemental and starts to rez players who are down becouse alot of players gets downed at that fight nowdays… And sadly so many dead players are moping around waiting for rezzes instead of WP-ing.

I don’t want to bring back the holy trinity.
I’m just saying that GW2’s class system feels like a direct solution to the holy trinity and beyond that, wasn’t very well thought out as it came with its own inherent problems as a result. It feels like one step forward and two steps back.

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Posted by: Razor.9872

Razor.9872

^ they need to do that more with regular mobs too

They’ve tried to do that with the aetherblade pirates. It’s not perfect yet, but it’s getting there.

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