Guild Wars 2

Has anyone else had horrible return rates doing this recently, before anyone starts shouting its RNG, im aware of the RNG aspect of it, but tonight I just did 18 × 10 clover recipe, and I got 10 clovers.

That’s less than 10% return rate, that’s beyond bad RNG,

Can we please have a dedicated recipe for making clovers, every other mat for a legendary can be farmed bar these, yes I am aware that they where added to the GoB track, and you can get 2 from other tracks and a 7 from a few, but I still think we need a dedicated recipe for these.

I just made Eternity to sell, I needed 7 Clovers so I thought I would do that Clover recipe for 10….. Took me 18 attempts.

So I’m gonna +1 this idea.

The reward tracks in WvW increased the number of clovers being generated…so that might have been a factor if this was stealth changed.

Ok I Did It.2854:

Has anyone else had horrible return rates doing this recently, before anyone starts shouting its RNG, im aware of the RNG aspect of it, but tonight I just did 18 × 10 clover recipe, and I got 10 clovers.

That’s less than 10% return rate, that’s beyond bad RNG,

Can we please have a dedicated recipe for making clovers, every other mat for a legendary can be farmed bar these, yes I am aware that they where added to the GoB track, and you can get 2 from other tracks and a 7 from a few, but I still think we need a dedicated recipe for these.

No, that’s not “beyond bad RNG” — that’s perfectly predictable. If the true odds are 30%, then the odds of getting 0 or 1 successful forges out of 18 attempts is ~1.4%.

Given that 100s of players forge for clover, it’s not in the least surprising that someone suffers such poor luck. It’s unfortunate for you that RNGesus picked you, but it’s not an example of anything other than bad luck.

I go with the slower one-at-a-time recipe because I have gone 20 times in a row with only a single success, so I prefer the steadier progress rather than taking a chance of having to roll too many extra times. The 10-clover recipe is only a good time saver/cost saver if one is lucky and given the 30% odds, most people aren’t going to be lucky.

I agree that it’s better to go with the single recipe as you’ll get more consistent results.

I had 50 obsid to work with and wound up with 40 clovers doing 10 at a time, so i’m going to say RNG hated you on that run.

needed 40 this weekend. Acquired them in 8-10 tries. But… Did you get screwed over with T6 mats? (ie orich bars, gossamar)

Usually you can make some money back anyway so it’s not a total loss.

honestly for my self and everyone I know who needed clovers had better luck doing the single recipe, yeah it takes longer but you will get more back.

if u dont feel lucky do the 1 at a time recipe. When i did my first 3 legys i almost did spent 2.000.000 karma on each for obsidian shards for clovers. then i started doing it with the 1 at a time recipe for my next legendarys and turned out to avarage at about 35% clover

its only rng

I just made my 77 as well for Nevermore. DO NOT EVER use the make 10 recipe. The more attempts, the closer to the RNG average you will get. Using the x10 recipe will just cost you more money if you aren’t lucky.

If it helps, I did keep track of my RNG rate and it was 24.7% of the time I got a clover.

Ubi.4136:

I just made my 77 as well for Nevermore. DO NOT EVER use the make 10 recipe. The more attempts, the closer to the RNG average you will get. Using the x10 recipe will just cost you more money if you aren’t lucky.

If it helps, I did keep track of my RNG rate and it was 24.7% of the time I got a clover.

I wouldn’t say never. But it is something you shouldn’t do without knowing the risks. I did my clovers early on in the process so I didn’t mind “failures” as they would give me mats I would use or could sell to put towards mats I could use. But I understood RNG and knew that if I was unlucky, the 10 clover recipe would cost me more than the single clover recipe due to the law of large numbers (the larger the sample size, the closer it will be to the theoretical average).

It is completly random how many you get.
For the last 2 legendaries I used around 280 Coins for around 70 clovers (mostly single recipe) for a backpack. But only needed like 140 for 77 clovers for Kudzu (used 10x recipe until 70 clovers).

It’s not “completely random” — there’s a 30% chance of getting clover. That’s a high enough number that you’ll need fewer than 300 attempts 95% of the time, using the 1-clover recipe.

However, for 30 attempts using the 10x recipe, there’s only an 84% chance of getting at least 7 successes (i.e. 70 clovers), which still leaves you needing another 7.

In other words, you have to be luckier on average using the 10-clover recipe than you do with the the 1-clover version.

Since I figure I’m usually unluckier than average, I stick with one-at-a-time. However, someone is going to be lucky and it makes some sense to try out the 10-clover recipe as long as you are willing to get 0 clover from 10-15 attempts.

RNG is RNG is RNG is RNG

It’s random, you were unlucky.

It’s not possible that i spent exactly 500 obsidian shards 500 globs of ectoplasm 500 mystic coin and 500 mystic crystal to have 70 kitten clover! are you kidding me? I spend many hours per day farming, i feel just that they are taking joke of me, i can barely be polite. Do something about it jesus

Ubi.4136:

I just made my 77 as well for Nevermore. DO NOT EVER use the make 10 recipe. The more attempts, the closer to the RNG average you will get. Using the x10 recipe will just cost you more money if you aren’t lucky.

If it helps, I did keep track of my RNG rate and it was 24.7% of the time I got a clover.

And on top of that you can add do not use any recipe period. Reward tracks in both WvW and sPvP give tons of clovers.

Unless you plan on making a legendary on the spot right now in 5 minutes with all the gold and mats in your bank, clovers have exactly zero cost.

Ok I Did It.2854:

Has anyone else had horrible return rates doing this recently, before anyone starts shouting its RNG, im aware of the RNG aspect of it, but tonight I just did 18 × 10 clover recipe, and I got 10 clovers.

That’s less than 10% return rate, that’s beyond bad RNG,

Can we please have a dedicated recipe for making clovers, every other mat for a legendary can be farmed bar these, yes I am aware that they where added to the GoB track, and you can get 2 from other tracks and a 7 from a few, but I still think we need a dedicated recipe for these.

I just made 70 clovers out of 50x tries, exactly 500 of each material, this is not possible at all! I am so upset, i farm all the day, i’ll quit this game if it’s gonna happen again. This is my 6th legedary and i never spent less then 300+ materials for every 77 clovers, but this time it made me mad. I don’t wanna be jerked around like this

Urrggh! Darn willy-nilly forum log-in requests. Ate my post.

I’ve never tried the Mystic Clover Mystic Forge recipe, so after reading this thread I thought I’d give it a go.

I used the single recipe, and after 10 attempts, these are my results: 5 Mystic Clovers, 4 Vials of Powerful Blood, 4 Piles of Crystalline Dust, 5 Vicious Fangs, and 2 Elaborate Totems.

I don’t think the recipes are bugged/nerfed; just luck, as always, being capricious.

Good luck.

Mamma il Dio.2074:

It’s not possible that i spent exactly 500 obsidian shards 500 globs of ectoplasm 500 mystic coin and 500 mystic crystal to have 70 kitten clover! are you kidding me? I spend many hours per day farming, i feel just that they are taking joke of me, i can barely be polite. Do something about it jesus

Next time use the single recipe rather than the x10.

I made 14 leggies so far and everytime i make clovers I swap with recipe 10 and 1 if I’m getting bad RNG and it’s always effective for me. Ex. If 3 tries x10 gives me bad RNG then I’ll use 1 recipe then resume to x10 then repeat. In 250 ectos sometimes make more than 77 which I always intend to make extra for my next project.

Do not do the 10x recipe if you cannot take a risk. It takes 10x longer to average out than the 1x recipe.

Dawdler.8521:

Ubi.4136:

I just made my 77 as well for Nevermore. DO NOT EVER use the make 10 recipe. The more attempts, the closer to the RNG average you will get. Using the x10 recipe will just cost you more money if you aren’t lucky.

If it helps, I did keep track of my RNG rate and it was 24.7% of the time I got a clover.

And on top of that you can add do not use any recipe period. Reward tracks in both WvW and sPvP give tons of clovers.

Unless you plan on making a legendary on the spot right now in 5 minutes with all the gold and mats in your bank, clovers have exactly zero cost.

they give 2. so assuming you have unlimited 50% buff thats about 4 hours in wvw (the fastest reward track) to do it 38 times with 78 clovers. thats a lot of grinding pvp man. 152 hours i believe to get 1 legendary. some of them give 7 but those are only 1 time and in spvp only. so for your first legendary they can get you about half way.
edit: btw i tried the recipe 9 times. using 3 trys in a row. each 3 trys i got clovers using the recipe. hasnt failed me yet. now i just need 10 more clovers yay

I’ve had pretty good luck with this. Yesterday, (in stacks of 10) I attempted 4 times and got 30 clovers. The other day I think I was around 50% return rate. Maybe just lucky on the RNG?

skigorn.7910:

I’ve had pretty good luck with this. Yesterday, (in stacks of 10) I attempted 4 times and got 30 clovers. The other day I think I was around 50% return rate. Maybe just lucky on the RNG?

Extremely lucky

I rolled another 8 × 10 recipes today and got 10 clovers, so out of 26 × 10 recipes ive gotten 20 clovers,

That’s

260 Mystic Coins
260 Ecto
260 Shards
260 Crystals,

Coins and Ecto combined are around 1.1G a try, so over 260 gold for 20 clovers which are needed for crafting the legendary, with these costs it should not be this much of a swing in RnG, we need a dedicated recipe for this, or add the clovers to the map rewards, you can get every other mat via farming/ salvaging, or karma vendor, but clovers are locked behind an RnG recipe, or you grind out WvW/PvP, ( which shouldn’t be the case )

Mamma il Dio.2074:

Ok I Did It.2854:

Has anyone else had horrible return rates doing this recently, before anyone starts shouting its RNG, im aware of the RNG aspect of it, but tonight I just did 18 × 10 clover recipe, and I got 10 clovers.

That’s less than 10% return rate, that’s beyond bad RNG,

Can we please have a dedicated recipe for making clovers, every other mat for a legendary can be farmed bar these, yes I am aware that they where added to the GoB track, and you can get 2 from other tracks and a 7 from a few, but I still think we need a dedicated recipe for these.

I just made 70 clovers out of 50x tries, exactly 500 of each material, this is not possible at all! I am so upset, i farm all the day, i’ll quit this game if it’s gonna happen again. This is my 6th legedary and i never spent less then 300+ materials for every 77 clovers, but this time it made me mad. I don’t wanna be jerked around like this

You were not “jerked around” like this or anything else. You had bad luck, really bad luck (although not “exceptionally bad”). The chance of getting 7 or fewer successes out of 50 tries using the 10x recipe is ~0.25%, i.e. fewer than 3 people in 1000 will have luck that bad. However, since more than 1000 people are forging for clover, more than 3 people are going to experience it.

Had you used the 1x recipe instead, the chances of getting 70 clover or less from 500 trials would have been less than 0.0001%.

tl;dr as Malediktus says, use the 1x-recipe unless you’re willing to accept the high risk of needing more resources than average.

I just made 60 clovers 4-5 days ago and got good results on the 10x recipe. Like ~50% clover return rate. Its just RNG.

That said I totally agree there needs to be a real recipe for it, not an RNG one.

I have more than enough for my legendary and still have not done any of the mystic toilet for the clovers. I just waited for the monthly chest and got them that way.

There doesn’t need to be a “real” recipe for it when the x1 works just fine. Most of the complaints are coming from those who use the x10 and don’t understand how probability works on small sample sizes vs larger sample sizes.

Ok I Did It.2854:

skigorn.7910:

I’ve had pretty good luck with this. Yesterday, (in stacks of 10) I attempted 4 times and got 30 clovers. The other day I think I was around 50% return rate. Maybe just lucky on the RNG?

Extremely lucky

I rolled another 8 × 10 recipes today and got 10 clovers, so out of 26 × 10 recipes ive gotten 20 clovers,

That’s

260 Mystic Coins
260 Ecto
260 Shards
260 Crystals,

Coins and Ecto combined are around 1.1G a try, so over 260 gold for 20 clovers which are needed for crafting the legendary, with these costs it should not be this much of a swing in RnG, we need a dedicated recipe for this

You say this as though every roll that didn’t give you clovers gave you nothing. There are very few kittenty rolls on the clover recipe (Gossamer/Orichalcum/Crystal Lodestones/Forge Crystals). Stop doing clovers last. Let the recipe work the way it was intended and give you mats for your legendary when you don’t get clovers.

T6 mats should be the last thing you acquire for a legendary.

Ayrilana.1396:

There doesn’t need to be a “real” recipe for it when the x1 works just fine. Most of the complaints are coming from those who use the x10 and don’t understand how probability works on small sample sizes vs larger sample sizes.

irrelevant. ledendarys are expensive enough without requiring a item thats unreasonable to farm yourself.

sophiewhite.3149:

Ayrilana.1396:

There doesn’t need to be a “real” recipe for it when the x1 works just fine. Most of the complaints are coming from those who use the x10 and don’t understand how probability works on small sample sizes vs larger sample sizes.

irrelevant. ledendarys are expensive enough without requiring a item thats unreasonable to farm yourself.

What I said is very much relevant. If people choose to go with the x10 recipe then they must accept the wide variation in cost that the recipe causes. A player could get 77 in 8 tries or 80+. Doing the x1 recipe provides fairly consistent results within a defined range which gives a reliable cost estimate. That’s where the 231 estimated forges comes in.

If you find using the mystic forge so unreasonable to “farm”, whatever that means, use the reward tracks and get the mystic clovers that way.

There is somthing wrong with this recipe i did 150 tries today of x1 gues wat got 17
clovers wat the kitten is this?33% no kitten way. After those dumb leagues im burned out of pvp no way i go there to get my clovers.Ar they trying to make mystic coins and ectos go sky high again in a secret nerf or wat?

Reverze.7180:

There is somthing wrong with this recipe i did 150 tries today of x1 gues wat got 17
clovers wat the kitten is this?33% no kitten way. After those dumb leagues im burned out of pvp no way i go there to get my clovers.Ar they trying to make mystic coins and ectos go sky high again in a secret nerf or wat?

You had very bad luck. I did 750 forges a few weeks ago and was around 33%.

Reverze.7180:

There is somthing wrong with this recipe i did 150 tries today of x1 gues wat got 17
clovers wat the kitten is this?33% no kitten way. After those dumb leagues im burned out of pvp no way i go there to get my clovers.Ar they trying to make mystic coins and ectos go sky high again in a secret nerf or wat?

If you only got 17 clovers out of 150 tries, I’d actually submit a support ticket about that. That is the first claim I’ve seen in this thread (and nearly all others relating to RNG) where someone posted something with a low-enough probability that it’s worth asking ANet to double check. There’s a 1 in 1,000 chance of getting 22 or fewer clover from 150 tries and you claim only 17, which doesn’t register on the tool I use to compute the chances.

In any case, you’re the only one posting such poor results, so this isn’t evidence by itself of a nerf in the drop rate. 150 tries isn’t enough trials to prove anything, for a drop rate of 30%.