Guild Wars 2

The only difference I can see is that now instead of getting 1% of your normal karma rewards, you get 40%. The penalty still hits you just as fast. I started hitting it within just 24 mintues of karma farming.

Can you please try harder? Surely you can do better than this. I can regularly complete around 17-26 events per hour, which I’m fairly confident is close to the maximum possible. Can’t you just set your event code to have that as the maximum limit?

Learn what causes the DR and then stop banging your head in to a wall over and over again by repeating the same mistakes. People can farm karma for 3 hours straight and not hit DR once if you do it properly. But that requires:

- You go to different zones for karma after a time
- You COMPLETE entire events, not just tag and run
- You do a variety of different events in different areas of any single zone

If you don’t, you will run in to DR. Period. If you:

- Farm the same event back to back or very quickly in the same time period
- Tag and run events

You will hit DR.

EndlessDreamer must be dreaming. I did a series of Cursed Shore karma events, hit DR after doing 7-8 chain events in 40 mins.

You have to admit that it has become confusing. Instead of just playing the game without care for mechanics, I have to consider whether or not I’m being penalized for enjoying doing whatever I’m doing.

I hope that DR is a TEMPORARY bandaid for a larger problem that is still being worked on.

DR is there to stop people from doing what you are trying to do-exploit things.quit cheating and you wont break the game for everyone.greedy kids.That guy on the team they hired for the economy in game is there for a reason-DR is here to stay,dont make it worse

EndlessDreamer.6780:

Learn what causes the DR and then stop banging your head in to a wall over and over again by repeating the same mistakes. People can farm karma for 3 hours straight and not hit DR once if you do it properly. But that requires:

- You go to different zones for karma after a time
- You COMPLETE entire events, not just tag and run
- You do a variety of different events in different areas of any single zone

If you don’t, you will run in to DR. Period. If you:

- Farm the same event back to back or very quickly in the same time period
- Tag and run events

You will hit DR.

Like you I hardly ever experience problems with DR. But people who use bots or AFK macros are going to complain as they can’t zone or complete an event easily.

Which events Lone? And do you mean 7-8 parts of chain events or 7-8 chain events as a whole? Those are two very different things, especially in 40 minutes.

Also, reference part 1 of not getting DR:

- You go to different zones for karma after a time

Once you hit DR for a zone, you move, do events somewhere else then move back.

There DOES seem to be a DR for sheer amount of events in an hour, but if you aren’t tagging events and running, no one should conceivably hit that.

My friend and I do round of final Orr zone and Queensdale. You trade off amount of karma for sheer amount of events and their repetition and you even out pretty quickly but you don’t have to worry about losing out for DR.

7-8 chain events. After the patch I went and did 6 events for camps set up, 2 seperate events, and I believed I started hitting the DR at the ninth.

Learn what causes the DR and then stop banging your head in to a wall over and over again by repeating the same mistakes. People can farm karma for 3 hours straight and not hit DR once if you do it properly. But that requires:
- You go to different zones for karma after a time
- You COMPLETE entire events, not just tag and run
- You do a variety of different events in different areas of any single zone
If you don’t, you will run in to DR. Period. If you:
- Farm the same event back to back or very quickly in the same time period
- Tag and run events
You will hit DR.

I participate in events enough to earn a gold medal. If that’s not enough, then I’d like to hear a dev say so. Until then, I’m taking what you said as pure speculation.

If you don’t, you will run in to DR. Period. If you:
- Farm the same event back to back or very quickly in the same time period
- Tag and run events

I have farmed the same five events back to back for five hours straight and not hit DR. I don’t believe it has anything to do with repeating the same events.

Oh! THOSE!

Ya, I can actually explain that potentially. There were a lot of people doing them with you, correct? The reason might be that you end up accidentally ‘speed running’ them just because of the sheer mass of players hitting the mobs in the camp. Thus you’re doing them faster than ANet expects them to be doable, thus triggering the code.

Because after a certain mass of players, no amount of scaling saves those poor mobs, especially if they aren’t wave events that are on timers. They have the potential to hit DR if people are doing them all in a chained row.

Strill, it’s doing the same event back to back. Did you do those five events in a chain or did you just sit at the camp waiting for the next spawn? If you break up events with other events, it delays DR.

I’m assuming this because I’ve tested it, though not enough to say for 100% sure. If I do the Orr defend the camp events in the last one and just do those ones without anything in between and just wait for the respawn of that single event without moving from the event area, Karma amounts start dropping after the 3rd iteration.

EndlessDreamer.6780:

Oh! THOSE!

Ya, I can actually explain that potentially. There were a lot of people doing them with you, correct? The reason might be that you end up accidentally ‘speed running’ them just because of the sheer mass of players hitting the mobs in the camp. Thus you’re doing them faster than ANet expects them to be doable, thus triggering the code.

Because after a certain mass of players, no amount of scaling saves those poor mobs, especially if they aren’t wave events that are on timers. They have the potential to hit DR if people are doing them all in a chained row.

I hope you’re wrong because I like to run my full exotic level 80 in starter zones and can wipe out an entire group of level X mobs in under 3 seconds.

I played GW2 for the public beta events and never would’ve dreamed of being able to wipe out groups of mobs in BWE1 or 2… it’s not my fault that mobs die in 2-3 hits and my melee counts for AoE.

EndlessDreamer.6780:

Strill, it’s doing the same event back to back. Did you do those five events in a chain or did you just sit at the camp waiting for the next spawn? If you break up events with other events, it delays DR.

I’m assuming this because I’ve tested it, though not enough to say for 100% sure. If I do the Orr defend the camp events in the last one and just do those ones without anything in between and just wait for the respawn of that single event without moving from the event area, Karma amounts start dropping after the 3rd iteration.

The same event back to back!? Why would anyone ever do that? That’s so horribly slow! And no, I’m referring to the maggot chain and the Penitent/Shelter’s Gate events.

Again, I might be wrong. These are just the basics I’ve used and I have avoided DR. So obviously I’m doing something right.

And Strill, the events were designed to be actually finished. If you don’t agree, that’s fine, but event taggers run in to serious DR VERY fast. So obviously, not waiting for an entire event makes you do too many events in a single time period and is hitting the code. Sorry if you don’t trust me on that, but that’s what the evidence is pointing towards.

Strill.2591:

EndlessDreamer.6780:

Strill, it’s doing the same event back to back. Did you do those five events in a chain or did you just sit at the camp waiting for the next spawn? If you break up events with other events, it delays DR.

I’m assuming this because I’ve tested it, though not enough to say for 100% sure. If I do the Orr defend the camp events in the last one and just do those ones without anything in between and just wait for the respawn of that single event without moving from the event area, Karma amounts start dropping after the 3rd iteration.

The same event back to back!? Why would anyone ever do that? That’s so horribly slow! And no, I’m referring to the maggot chain and the Penitent/Shelter’s Gate events.

One word: Botters. That’s who stays in the same area and don’t move and do the same event back to back because they’re not programmed not to. The original reason behind the DR code in the first place. :P

Strill.2591:

EndlessDreamer.6780:

Strill, it’s doing the same event back to back. Did you do those five events in a chain or did you just sit at the camp waiting for the next spawn? If you break up events with other events, it delays DR.

I’m assuming this because I’ve tested it, though not enough to say for 100% sure. If I do the Orr defend the camp events in the last one and just do those ones without anything in between and just wait for the respawn of that single event without moving from the event area, Karma amounts start dropping after the 3rd iteration.

The same event back to back!? Why would anyone ever do that? That’s so horribly slow! And no, I’m referring to the maggot chain and the Penitent/Shelter’s Gate events.

I like to run the starter zone events. I’m not trying to farm anything, I just enjoy doing them. They tend to fire off faster than some other zone events.

Anyway, I’m not trying to say you’re wrong for what you’re doing. I was just saying what seems to trigger DR codes and what I do to avoid them. I’m not a dev so I have NO clue for 100% certain and if you wanna wait on a dev, I can’t say you’re wrong in doing that.

I just don’t think they’ll ever explain the mechanics. :/

EndlessDreamer.6780:

Oh! THOSE!

Ya, I can actually explain that potentially. There were a lot of people doing them with you, correct? The reason might be that you end up accidentally ‘speed running’ them just because of the sheer mass of players hitting the mobs in the camp. Thus you’re doing them faster than ANet expects them to be doable, thus triggering the code.

Because after a certain mass of players, no amount of scaling saves those poor mobs, especially if they aren’t wave events that are on timers. They have the potential to hit DR if people are doing them all in a chained row.

Strill, it’s doing the same event back to back. Did you do those five events in a chain or did you just sit at the camp waiting for the next spawn? If you break up events with other events, it delays DR.

I’m assuming this because I’ve tested it, though not enough to say for 100% sure. If I do the Orr defend the camp events in the last one and just do those ones without anything in between and just wait for the respawn of that single event without moving from the event area, Karma amounts start dropping after the 3rd iteration.

Sounds like karma points in a certain time frame rather than events (although some are hand crafted to stop hot spots botting). In any case based on the rate I’m going at, I’ll get my legendary at least 15-20 days later. I feel like a nerd getting the legendary weapon by farming karma (esp with this karma DR grind), and the people who got them SO FAST, man, do they have a life…? Cough.

Agreed. This DR is just as bad as the previous one. It might even be worse.

Old DR – do nothing for 30 mins – get full rewards for 30 mins
New DR – do nothing for 30 mins – get DR right off the bat or after 15 mins

EndlessDreamer.6780:

Anyway, I’m not trying to say you’re wrong for what you’re doing. I was just saying what seems to trigger DR codes and what I do to avoid them. I’m not a dev so I have NO clue for 100% certain and if you wanna wait on a dev, I can’t say you’re wrong in doing that.

I just don’t think they’ll ever explain the mechanics. :/

Ya… I get that it might make bots less effective, but it goes against everything I thought I knew about the game. Aren’t we suppose to want to do low level zones when we hit 80? Aren’t the low level zones suppose to still be a challenge at 80? Well, they aren’t. I can solo the 1-15 zone bosses.

I can’t help but think that part of the problem is that the game was severely nerfed from BWE2 to BWE3/live. In BEW1/2 you could be 2 shot by trash mobs if you didn’t evade. I can wade through groups of mobs in live and never worry about being downed much less defeated.

And then bots… oh those dirty bad names. Maybe bots would be less effective if they couldn’t farm naked? If they had to react to ground effects? If they couldn’t take on groups of NPCs/mobs? If they were detected and removed?

I have to say, doing events in cursed shore will drive you mad. Example. you port into the begining area of the map, run around a lil bit and you find an escort event, so you do the event. no more do you finish the event and one pops up right were u just escorted something to. What kills me is these events keep spawning bang bang bang bang, i mean you can go a good 1 hour + running WITH the events that are spawning almost on top of you. But after you complete about 7 of these events that are all completely different, you start getting no loot, and the rewards drop to nothing. I swear i read that the beauty of this game was the DE and that you can finish/fail one and another will spawn. What happened to letting us play the game?

I say when DR kicks in we should see a buff/boon appear on us with a timer as well, letting us know when and how long we got it. It seems totally fair to me. They also need to disclose the methods they are using in full detail.

The botters know because they mess around with it constantly. Normal people like me have no interest to play around with it because we are honest and not cheating. I can’t take another players word for it because there is nothing to compare it to. Everything people are saying here is PURELY speculation.

LOL I can picture someone doing their DEs with a stopwatch ticking away and a person standing there taking notes for good reliable data….NOT.

Can we get a graph or a spreadsheet guys? Can we get some ACTUAL data instead of this speculative word of mouth and off the hip quip stuff?

HUH? Ive farmed 20k karma straight in orr and not hit the karma DR. If your hitting it after 8 or 9 events you are either bullkitten or doing something suss for it to kick in.

Razorface.2714:

I say when DR kicks in we should see a buff/boon appear on us with a timer as well, letting us know when and how long we got it. It seems totally fair to me. They also need to disclose the methods they are using in full detail.

The botters know because they mess around with it constantly. Normal people like me have no interest to play around with it because we are honest and not cheating. I can’t take another players word for it because there is nothing to compare it to. Everything people are saying here is PURELY speculation.

LOL I can picture someone doing their DEs with a stopwatch ticking away and a person standing there taking notes for good reliable data….NOT.

Can we get a graph or a spreadsheet guys? Can we get some ACTUAL data instead of this speculative word of mouth and off the hip quip stuff?

Not going to happen. They are simply not going to give you any data about how their anti-exploit code works. I don’t even know why anyone would think they would.

I have to be honest though. I have still yet to hit DR. Still never happened to me, been 80 for weeks, never experienced it during what I would consider ‘normal’ play. (Going from event to event mining nodes etc.).

Changing zones has no effect on the DR you still hit it.
Some people need to stop posting stuff when it’s obvious they don’t know what they’re talking about.

Mars.6319:

And then bots… oh those dirty bad names. Maybe bots would be less effective if they couldn’t farm naked? If they had to react to ground effects? If they couldn’t take on groups of NPCs/mobs? If they were detected and removed?

I wonder if introducing weapon damage on death would help here. Admittedly, it may increase our repair costs – but if a bot can’t swing his sword because it’s broke, he’s not killing anything. Just a thought..

Fiennes.9568:

Mars.6319:

And then bots… oh those dirty bad names. Maybe bots would be less effective if they couldn’t farm naked? If they had to react to ground effects? If they couldn’t take on groups of NPCs/mobs? If they were detected and removed?

I wonder if introducing weapon damage on death would help here. Admittedly, it may increase our repair costs – but if a bot can’t swing his sword because it’s broke, he’s not killing anything. Just a thought..

Or maybe a character that is naked but continues to try to fight ultimately gets eaten by a pack of rogue wolves. Quel drama!