Guild Wars 2

Lyssa will convert 5 condys into 5 boons now…. ok got that

Say I have 9 condys on me will it convert the first 5 only or only a set 5 etc everything but chill/cripple etc, or is it random?

It will be the left-most 5 conditions I believe, as those are the “first” ones to be placed on you.

Aidan Savage.2078:

It will be the left-most 5 conditions I believe, as those are the “first” ones to be placed on you.

If a condition is reapplied when it’s still on you, it doesn’t move positions — does that mean it’s still considered an “old” condition?

Also, if you use Lyssa with no condys on you, what 5 Boons will it reward?

Ajaxx.3157:

Also, if you use Lyssa with no condys on you, what 5 Boons will it reward?

I’d assume none. It only removes 1-5 conditions and grants 1-5 boons depending on how many conditions got removed. At least I can still keep my 4 Lyssa Runes in PvE for the heal-boon.

Aidan Savage.2078:

It will be the left-most 5 conditions I believe, as those are the “first” ones to be placed on you.

Position in the list isn’t the factor, it is time applied. The most recent applied are removed, but they won’t always be the left-most in the stack.

Ajaxx.3157:

Also, if you use Lyssa with no condys on you, what 5 Boons will it reward?

The 5 corresponding boons to the 5 conditions you took off. There is a set table.

EDIT: I see now you meant with no conditions…. if no conditions no boons…. sorry

They basically made it work like corrupt boon in reverse if you want to think about it that way. If you had 5 boons, and I used corrupt boon on you, and then you used Lyssa, you would be right back where you started with the same boons with the set durations from the table above.

Oh wow! They broke the lyssa runes….

That’s a joke if I ever saw one!

Its a major nerf anyway, Lyssa runes are going to plummet in value on the TP.

It all hurts/nerfs warriors and thiefs in particular who were very effective with this rune set.

Oh yeah and due to pressure from the PvP crowd, the following additional nerfs are incoming:-

•Pistol-whip thief, Hambow Warrior, Decap Engineer spec will be taken a look at.

•Hambow Warrior ?Arcing Shot (Longbow 3) – hit too hard, reduced damage by 15%.

?Merciless Hammer – Right now you deal 25% to crowd-controlled enemies, we reduced that by 5% to 20%.

?Impale (Sword 4) – right now it applies torment over 10s – made it so it applies torments over 4 seconds.

•Pistol-whip Thief ?Pistol-whip is very strong, increased initiative cost from 5 to 6 so you can’t spam it over and over (pvp only change).

•Decap Engineer ?Tune down Automated Response – no longer 100% condition reduction, 50% reduction instead but triggers at 33% HP instead of 25% HP.

ITS OFFICIAL ANET NOW HATE WARRIOR

WELL DONE WARRIOR HATERS

Those are in addition to all the other nerfs incoming…

Too bad these runes will now be worthless.

The boon on heal was great, and the all-boons was great on my necro, who really needed them.

i dont need the boons from the 6th piece, just the condition removal. now it cant even do that properly anymore. nerf signet of spite!

Whaaa? No more the all-boons with the 6th piece? My build is going to be broken as I usually use that ability in big group events… :S Also, now I see why the price on TP has risen so much, some time ago I bought it for around 2 g and recently it went to almost 5 g… I have an order placed for that rune, maybe I must go and remove the order then… :/

Horrible change….
I would REALLY like to see/hear their reasoning behind this… Anyone have a link that may explain this baffling nerf?? (I’ve been working FAR too much lately, so I will be the first to admit maybe I’ve missed something and this was needed for some unknown reason)

lol, best change ever, finally this broken set is fixed.
no more cheezy builds that abuse lyssa every 45 seconds.

Meglobob.8620:

ITS OFFICIAL ANET NOW HATE WARRIOR

WELL DONE WARRIOR HATERS

Those are in addition to all the other nerfs incoming…

Sorry, but I have no sympathy for warriors. You can’t deny that warriors as they are now, are solid. They have good defense, are self reliant, deal good damage and are easy to play. It’s also a known fact that professions that were in a less fortunate position, managed to hold their own quite well. So for warriors to be nerfed slightly, but still be above what the weaker professions used to be, means you’ll still be doing fine. It’ll just be a little more challenging. Which can be fun right?

ewwwwww.

This ruins my lyssa + tome of courage #5 combo

but I’m all for thief/warrior/engi nerfs

Meglobob.8620:

Its a major nerf anyway, Lyssa runes are going to plummet in value on the TP.

It all hurts/nerfs warriors and thiefs in particular who were very effective with this rune set.

Oh yeah and due to pressure from the PvP crowd, the following additional nerfs are incoming:-

•Pistol-whip thief, Hambow Warrior, Decap Engineer spec will be taken a look at.

•Hambow Warrior ?Arcing Shot (Longbow 3) – hit too hard, reduced damage by 15%.

?Merciless Hammer – Right now you deal 25% to crowd-controlled enemies, we reduced that by 5% to 20%.

?Impale (Sword 4) – right now it applies torment over 10s – made it so it applies torments over 4 seconds.

•Pistol-whip Thief ?Pistol-whip is very strong, increased initiative cost from 5 to 6 so you can’t spam it over and over (pvp only change).

•Decap Engineer ?Tune down Automated Response – no longer 100% condition reduction, 50% reduction instead but triggers at 33% HP instead of 25% HP.

ITS OFFICIAL ANET NOW HATE WARRIOR

WELL DONE WARRIOR HATERS

Those are in addition to all the other nerfs incoming…

the fact that they have now 11 weapon changes long range and melee and also have the best armor the best of everything given to them all the time and you dont even have to work for it LOL no sympathy at all for the warrior is the easiest class ever and i mean EVER !!! LOL ,i find this a very entitled attitude you’ve been given everything at the start of being a warrior and thats not enough they start of with 11 weapon changes plus speed defense all given for nothing LOL this is a very entitled attitude and truely one no one will have sympathy for the entitled warriors

ThiBash.5634:

Meglobob.8620:

ITS OFFICIAL ANET NOW HATE WARRIOR

WELL DONE WARRIOR HATERS

Those are in addition to all the other nerfs incoming…

Sorry, but I have no sympathy for warriors. You can’t deny that warriors as they are now, are solid. They have good defense, are self reliant, deal good damage and are easy to play. It’s also a known fact that professions that were in a less fortunate position, managed to hold their own quite well. So for warriors to be nerfed slightly, but still be above what the weaker professions used to be, means you’ll still be doing fine. It’ll just be a little more challenging. Which can be fun right?

Grab a warrior and go play vs any decent mesmer,engi,thief or necro.Have fun ! And honestly stop deluding yourself,warrior is anything but easy to play if you roll smthing else then a hambow offc.

Caedmon.6798:

ThiBash.5634:

Meglobob.8620:

ITS OFFICIAL ANET NOW HATE WARRIOR

WELL DONE WARRIOR HATERS

Those are in addition to all the other nerfs incoming…

Sorry, but I have no sympathy for warriors. You can’t deny that warriors as they are now, are solid. They have good defense, are self reliant, deal good damage and are easy to play. It’s also a known fact that professions that were in a less fortunate position, managed to hold their own quite well. So for warriors to be nerfed slightly, but still be above what the weaker professions used to be, means you’ll still be doing fine. It’ll just be a little more challenging. Which can be fun right?

Grab a warrior and go play vs any decent mesmer,engi,thief or necro.Have fun ! And honestly stop deluding yourself,warrior is anything but easy to play if you roll smthing else then a hambow offc.

i have a warrior its very plain straight forward class to play and a hell of a lot easier than the rest of the classes that have to work to get what warriors in the first 5 levels are given yes it is easy , yes it seems most warriors are very entitled , yes it also seems you disregard the fact that if you play any other class you will see how hard it is to build up the levels to where a warrior is at a level 5 , there given everything on a plate and still moan LOL

most other classes have 5 weapons 5 changes the warrior has 11 i know ive checked and yet they still moan LOL thats not to mention the best armor the best of generally everything nerfing them was the best option i happen to think best idea EVER !!

Grab a [X class] and play vs a decent [Y class]. Y OP! Nerf it!

Good job, you just balanced Lyssa runes to being worthless.

Warrior longbow has only had double digit or nearly double digit nerfs applied to it in the last 6 months…

Also, why, when its called hambow, ie 2h hammer + 2h longbow is it the longbow bit that gets 90% of the nerfs?

In fact, someone at Anet hates bows because all the nastiest weapon nerfs in the game have been applied to bows:-

Ranger shortbow, massive nerfs.
Thief shortbow, multiple nerfs.
Warrior longbow, the most nerfed weapon ever in GW2 history!

The only one shown any love is Ranger longbow but it still sucks…

Also, those nerfs have happened when the majority of players say the best way to do PvE is stack on 1 spot and buff, dps, revive using melee weapons…

Just doesn’t add up!

Meglobob.8620:

Warrior longbow has only had double digit or nearly double digit nerfs applied to it in the last 6 months…

Also, why, when its called hambow, ie 2h hammer + 2h longbow is it the longbow bit that gets 90% of the nerfs?

In fact, someone at Anet hates bows because all the nastiest weapon nerfs in the game have been applied to bows:-

Ranger shortbow, massive nerfs.
Thief shortbow, multiple nerfs.
Warrior longbow, the most nerfed weapon ever in GW2 history!

The only one shown any love is Ranger longbow but it still sucks…

Also, those nerfs have happened when the majority of players say the best way to do PvE is stack on 1 spot and buff, dps, revive using melee weapons…

Just doesn’t add up!

a warrior shouldnt even be ranged it in fact should only be melee due to the fact of all its buffs sigils and everything else , it doesnt even need to be ranged thats why

they should give the longbow to the thief who needs it more than any warrior

warriors are that buffed have that many things protecting them they shouldnt need to go ranged at all

This conversation is about the Lyssa runes being nerfed to uselessness…. Warrior discussions are elsewhere..
The devs don’t listen much to a topic once it gets completely derailed.
The Lyssa nerf harms EVERYONE who uses Lyssa runes, not only Warriors. If you have specific Warrior related, non-Lyssa related discussions, take them to the Warrior forum. Please do not have such discussions in the Lyssa topic, as that is counter productive.

In regards to the actual topic here – I will admit, Lyssa runes were very useful in certain situations….. What I would like to know is how someone could possibly think taking something that was good in a couple of very specific builds and turning it into something far worse than other options was a good balance idea. Was this a case of some dev thinking “We need to nerf Lyssa runes, let’s nerf them a LOT and then see how much we need to adjust them upwards from there.”??
If so, then MAYBE there is still hope for these runes (and the team behind such baffling balance decisions) but, why on earth do some people on the balance team still think large buffs and nerfs followed by small adjustments in the opposite direction makes sense? Have they not learned that when something is too strong/too weak, make minor tweaks in the needed direction until it is balanced..
Making large adjustments to many different things all at the same time is one of the main things which have kept “balance” as such an elusive and almost mythical word in this game.

It hurts warrior really bad, because they have a useful low cooldown elite, thats why people complain.

On topic. After Corrupt boon was nerfed for the same reason it was just a matter of time when Lyssa gets the same treatment with the 5 boon cap. Working as intended. Finally …

nibblesalil.3561:

warriors are that buffed have that many things protecting them they shouldnt need to go ranged at all

And what should they do once they get kited by other ranged classes? Do you know how hard is it for warriors to repel kiters if they go full melee?

holodoc.5748:

Do you know how hard is it for warriors to repel kiters if they go full melee?

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Dogged_March
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Superior_Rune_of_Melandru
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Bowl_of_Lemongrass_Poultry_Soup

Nope.

Dalanor.5387:

holodoc.5748:

Do you know how hard is it for warriors to repel kiters if they go full melee?

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Dogged_March
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Superior_Rune_of_Melandru
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Bowl_of_Lemongrass_Poultry_Soup

Nope.

Now bring that to sPvP where Lyssa actually matters, consumables can’t be used, Dogged March is absolutely useless and reduced condition duration on Melandru isn’t enough to counter ranged condition spam. PvE is fine, its sPvP where you’ll notice the difference.

Consumables can’t be used right, same with the opponent.
Dogged March working in sPvP the same way as in WvW, it’s reduces movement imparing conditions duration and apply regen to the warrior without an ICD after each application of said conditions.
Same with Melandru runes.

So now what?

I use Lyssa on my ranger- I loved the boons on Elite
-.-

holodoc.5748:

nibblesalil.3561:

warriors are that buffed have that many things protecting them they shouldnt need to go ranged at all

And what should they do once they get kited by other ranged classes? Do you know how hard is it for warriors to repel kiters if they go full melee?

i have a warrior i know how easy it is yes i also know that they are stong enough and have all the best armor and all the best weapons you do not need to go ranged you have the sigils runes and all the best armor if you need to go range on a warrior for any reason isnt that you want to play the game that safe you dont even wana get up close to anything to hit it ?

you can use a sword and an axe like the rest of us warriors plus when your adreneline is full you can do more damage than most classes

Lalangamena.3694:

lol, best change ever, finally this broken set is fixed.
no more cheezy builds that abuse lyssa every 45 seconds.

Broken set? I can’t see what was broken in it. Actually it has saved me and others a lot of times, mainly when in a group and gets outnumbered. I could fell it was essential for supportive builds and it helped a lot to keep ppl alive. It was so nice to be able to provide your party or any ally nearby with all boons in the game, even if for 3 to 5 secs, and give them some more strength to keep fighting. I’m all for teamwork and helping others and that ability has provided me at least a way to feel that I was making some difference, otherwise I’d be just one more giving the mobs some low dmg hits.