Guild Wars 2

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Please and thankyou

I believe that guild wars 2 needs a new suggestion system, because most of our suggestions are not fulfilled and never seen. This new system should help arenanet and the community by organizing the suggestions to a vote. So basically this new way of voting will make the community happy and ArenaNet will start focusing on what we want and what we think would benefit our experience of us playing guild wars 2. (Not saying ArenaNet shouldnt focus on what they want too) the duration of the vote should be every 1 weeks, so we have 1 week to suggest and vote. Which ever suggestion post gets the most votes ArenaNet will then close the poll and they pick the ones they like, then open a voting poll for us to vote at the end were both happy.
For example:
Mounts
Capes
New Armour
New Weapons
New Races
New Professions

Say these are the suggestions for that week, Now ANet picks the ones they like, say the picked everything but New Race and Mounts. After that ANet now opens a voting poll. Then we vote, Example
Capes Vote [Yes or No] Votes : 57 People
New Armour Vote [Yes or No] Votes: 180 people
New Weapons Vote [Yes or No] Votes: 150 people
New Professions Vote [Yes or No] Votes: 300 people
So now that the New Professions won the vote
ArenaNet has to create it within a month (or more). But i also think we should have a picture/written skills of what we want. Example New Profession We/ the community should draw a picture of what the race should look like and or profession with there written skills. (if possible drawn/gifs would help with combos)
This will make ArenaNet get the idea of what we want and makes their job easier.
(@@@IM NOT SAYING WE ARE THE ARTIST I SAID ABOVE WE GIVE THEM THE IDEA OF HOW IT KINDA SHOULD LOOK LIKE@@)

P.S. I know it could take longer than a month to make a new race/profession but i was giving examples. Also ArenaNet doesnt have to do EXACTLY what we want, they can take the basic idea. They don’t have to take the idea at all if they don’t want it.

In conclusion, we have a week to vote and then ArenaNet could take 1 2 3 months creating what we want before opening the suggestions again.

What do you guys think of this. I’m open to changes but I’m giving a basic idea.

Another thing that could happen is when an idea is accepted and put into the game the game could show the persons name so people know who created the idea.

Another idea by

Kaz.5430

What they ‘could do’ perhaps, is make it a bit more controlled. Instead of just letting players vote for whatever random ideas they want, they could select a specific topic area at a time and ask players to come up with various ideas and suggestions relating to that specific topic area. Players could discuss these various suggestions in a big long thread and then ANet could pick ideas that they like the most and think about how they might go about prioritising and implementing them.

Anet could take 1-2-3 years before they look at this thread….

Sorry, but I believe a) the suggestions ARE seen and b) game design by committee majority is a Very Bad Idea.

@Donari.5237
I said to read the whole post, I said Anet doesnt have to take the whole idea, they can take the basic idea and make it. and i said we vote which basically means that if the IDEA IS BAD NO ONE WOULD VOTE FOR IT.

Sorry again. The forums are full of bad ideas that people promulgate and lobby for. We can’t dictate their development priorities based on whims or FotM desires.

I did read your whole post, but even with that — look at mounts. Many have explained why those are a bad idea in this game. Me, I’m neutral on the subject with a lean towards no-mounts, just using it as an example. If ANet does not believe mounts are a good idea, but the player base “votes” for it, do they then have to give us mounts just because a committee said so? A committee made up of laymen, not game designers, who don’t have access to all the coding and resource issues confronting those 300 people in Seattle?

No.

Most of the suggestions are not fulfilled because most of the suggestions are not worth doing. It isn’t as simple as “Anet isn’t doing what we want.” They can’t just do anything because the players want it; there are real-world costs associated with everything, and often those costs are not worth the payout.

I agree with fallenanqel. I like it, and what don’t you guys understand it says “ArenaNet doesnt have to do EXACTLY what we want” so that don’t have to take the idea at all and im guessing they could reopen the voting with new posts and ideas.

In which case we already have exactly what you’re asking for. People post suggestions, in the appropriate subforums, other people chime in with support or disagreement or modifications, the appropriate devs review them and if they like them they use them and if they don’t they don’t.

Putting in a “vote” that has no binding effect will only make people froth harder about not having their pet projects implemented. “But you asked us to vote and we did, we voted for flying mounts, we don’t care that you’d have to completely redesign the world to allow for flying like Blizzard did for Cataclysm and that there are so many side issues with what flying would do to the game, WE VOTED.”

Im sorry, when the suggestion toll was up i never really saw anything being taken, first things first when the community thinks there a stupid idea everyone dislikes,it wont come out. Going back the mounts lots of people said its not the best idea. So if someone posted that everyone will say, No which means it wont come out. and i also said they would have to draw or give a sketch of how it looks like not just saying oh mounts because we need them, if the person cant really draw and show a example of what they want it wont get posted and wont be considerd

Another thing that could happen when someone post their suggestion maybe a forum moderator would read the post, if they don’t like/It doesn’t meet their expectations no picture whatever and they wont put out the suggestion (It wont be approved)and the forum moderator will send them a message “Not a Good Idea” what ever.

FallenAnqel.1579:

Im sorry, when the suggestion toll was up i never really saw anything being taken, first things first when the community thinks there a stupid idea everyone dislikes,it wont come out. Going back the mounts lots of people said its not the best idea. So if someone posted that everyone will say, No which means it wont come out. and i also said they would have to draw or give a sketch of how it looks like not just saying oh mounts because we need them, if the person cant really draw and show a example of what they want it wont get posted and wont be considerd

The forums represent a very vocal MINORITY of the player base. Allowing them to make decisions that have an impact on everyone isn’t really a good idea. There are a lot more people demanding new professions and mounts etc. The issue isn’t always whether or not these things are a good idea, but more of how much of a priority these things are.

For example – a lot of people would vote for a new race or profession. It would be cool, there’s no denying that. But at this point in the game it doesn’t make sense and there are far more things that should be worked on before hand. Players don’t always see that, it’s up to Arenanet to figure out what things are priorities, what is possible with their engine, with their staff, with their budget, etc. So sorry, but your suggestion just doesn’t make sense. There’s a reason Arenanet are the developers.

FallenAnqel.1579:

Im sorry, when the suggestion toll was up i never really saw anything being taken, first things first when the community thinks there a stupid idea everyone dislikes,it wont come out. Going back the mounts lots of people said its not the best idea. So if someone posted that everyone will say, No which means it wont come out. and i also said they would have to draw or give a sketch of how it looks like not just saying oh mounts because we need them, if the person cant really draw and show a example of what they want it wont get posted and wont be considerd

Clearly you’re not looking in the right places, then. Wallets, account bounded Ascended items, account bound Legendaries were all suggestions in the Suggestion Forum. There’s also multiple trait suggestions that were implemented in some form or another.

Just because ANet does not implement the big suggestions (Mounts, Cantha, Elona, new races, new professions) doesn’t mean they’re not listening. Heck, if you look at the livestreams, you’ll see the devs actually referencing recent forums topics occasionally.

And by the way, your idea is flawed in one simple way: You cannot expect them to implement a suggestion of arbitrary complexity within a month. For example, something like Cantha or Elona could take months of just planning and artwork. Then there’s testing it, filling it with NPCs, voice acting said NPCs, adding hearts or events…

Also, if you think that the community should be put in charge of artwork or balancing of skills, you are off your rocket in a major way. ANet has professional designers for a very good reason. And you sure as hell cannot think that the playerbase could be left in charge of balancing (particularly if it were done in a majority vote style).

Also, any poll that is on the internet can and will be manipulated by people. Just take a look at what 4chan has done to a ton of polls. And even without a force like 4chan, you would still have people using other means, such as proxies, to spam votes for their favorite ideas. Or are you going to tell me that someone obsessed with Cantha voting 10,000 times is actually as valuable as 10,000 individual people?

What if I design a race called “Dongians”, draw them to be a race of sentient gigantic kittenes that are to be designed to be objectively superior to all other professions and successfully rally to get a mass of voters behind that idea? Because I think the trolls of the internet would love that. Would you want that implemented in the game?

No i wouldn’t want that implemented. but Anet is not stupid, their not just gonna take the idea and go with it not changing it, they want everything to be in balance. So Anet make them that big and make them superior. And Yes I know its not easy to make a new race voice acting i get it. And i said a couple months I gave an example of a time line 1 – 2 -3 – 4 – 5 – 6 months. But you guys have to look at the bigger picture, Its a new way of voting and making the game move on.

Support for this thread and everything it’s trying to say. ANet doesn’t listen to it’s community, the people who bought this game and by extension keep them afloat. This is all too clear by the utter fail that the September patch did with bumping back traits, slots, skills, and class abilities. Not once have I seen this even addressed. No response from the development team or their PR despite the unanimous outcry of disdain for this monstrosity.

Olba.5376:

FallenAnqel.1579:

Im sorry, when the suggestion toll was up i never really saw anything being taken, first things first when the community thinks there a stupid idea everyone dislikes,it wont come out. Going back the mounts lots of people said its not the best idea. So if someone posted that everyone will say, No which means it wont come out. and i also said they would have to draw or give a sketch of how it looks like not just saying oh mounts because we need them, if the person cant really draw and show a example of what they want it wont get posted and wont be considerd

Clearly you’re not looking in the right places, then. Wallets, account bounded Ascended items, account bound Legendaries were all suggestions in the Suggestion Forum. There’s also multiple trait suggestions that were implemented in some form or another.

Just because ANet does not implement the big suggestions (Mounts, Cantha, Elona, new races, new professions) doesn’t mean they’re not listening. Heck, if you look at the livestreams, you’ll see the devs actually referencing recent forums topics occasionally.

And by the way, your idea is flawed in one simple way: You cannot expect them to implement a suggestion of arbitrary complexity within a month. For example, something like Cantha or Elona could take months of just planning and artwork. Then there’s testing it, filling it with NPCs, voice acting said NPCs, adding hearts or events…

Also, if you think that the community should be put in charge of artwork or balancing of skills, you are off your rocket in a major way. ANet has professional designers for a very good reason. And you sure as hell cannot think that the playerbase could be left in charge of balancing (particularly if it were done in a majority vote style).

Also, any poll that is on the internet can and will be manipulated by people. Just take a look at what 4chan has done to a ton of polls. And even without a force like 4chan, you would still have people using other means, such as proxies, to spam votes for their favorite ideas. Or are you going to tell me that someone obsessed with Cantha voting 10,000 times is actually as valuable as 10,000 individual people?

What if I design a race called “Dongians”, draw them to be a race of sentient gigantic kittenes that are to be designed to be objectively superior to all other professions and successfully rally to get a mass of voters behind that idea? Because I think the trolls of the internet would love that. Would you want that implemented in the game?

And heres another thing you didnt understand. I never said we are the artist and we are the people who balance and make skills for the game, I said we chould give them the IDEA of what we kinda want and they go ahead and prefect it and for the skills and all its also the same thing just to show what we kinda want.

And for me personally I don’t want a new race. They would won’t make any sense and would be useless because the races of Tyria go with the whole living story and the story of the game, but new professions would be nice

Then here is what would happen. Month one add mounts gets voted top. The next month remove mounts gets voted. Then on and on and on again.

Nothing gets done a ANet is back to coming up with their own ideas because the players that want mounts and the players that don’t are equally as rabid about their side.

And what of something completely against the game gets voted in like more vertical progression by a series of trolls?

Sorry, this is not a good way for ANet to figure out what we want.

@Stiofan
Yes that would be a good idea Anet looking at the suggestions see what they like best then they put out a voting pole for us to chose, that was my original idea but i totally forgot about it.
@Seera
We wouldnt have that problem because like I said before, Anet isn’t stupid their not gonna add somthing delete it add somthing delete it. And if u take the idea as above they read them first they pick a couple they like and then we vote on that, their would be no problem.

FallenAnqel.1579:

@Seera
We wouldnt have that problem because like I said before, Anet isn’t stupid their not gonna add somthing delete it add somthing delete it. And if u take the idea as above they read them first they pick a couple they like and then we vote on that, their would be no problem.

I was replying on your suggestion in the OP.

Which is community provides the suggestions. Then we vote and the winner has to be implemented within one month.

While ANet might not be stupid enough to do that, we the community might as the community is heavily split on several topics.

Mounts is just one area that sees a lot of suggestions and a lot of people on both sides of the argument in.

Duels is another topic.

One month the suggestion options may be:

1. Mounts – add
2. Duels – add
3. Guild Halls – add
4. Random Topic 1
5. Random Topic 2

Mounts – add may win that month.

Next month:

1. Mounts – remove
2. Duels – add
3. Guild Halls – add
4. Random Topic 3
5. Random Topic 4

Then if Mounts – remove wins then ANet has one month to remove them under your proposal. Or the entire forum will be up in arms over another broken promise and another PR disaster when it comes to listening to us and communication. People with throw a conspiracy theory that ANet never listened to us, that mounts just came out coincidentally one month after they won the poll.

Now if ANet puts out broad suggestions for things the community wants them to work on then it would be fine. But we won’t get concrete suggestions due to their corporate policy at this point in time.

Seera.5916:

FallenAnqel.1579:

@Seera
We wouldnt have that problem because like I said before, Anet isn’t stupid their not gonna add somthing delete it add somthing delete it. And if u take the idea as above they read them first they pick a couple they like and then we vote on that, their would be no problem.

I was replying on your suggestion in the OP.

Which is community provides the suggestions. Then we vote and the winner has to be implemented within one month.

While ANet might not be stupid enough to do that, we the community might as the community is heavily split on several topics.

Mounts is just one area that sees a lot of suggestions and a lot of people on both sides of the argument in.

Duels is another topic.

One month the suggestion options may be:

1. Mounts – add
2. Duels – add
3. Guild Halls – add
4. Random Topic 1
5. Random Topic 2

Mounts – add may win that month.

Next month:

1. Mounts – remove
2. Duels – add
3. Guild Halls – add
4. Random Topic 3
5. Random Topic 4

Then if Mounts – remove wins then ANet has one month to remove them under your proposal. Or the entire forum will be up in arms over another broken promise and another PR disaster when it comes to listening to us and communication. People with throw a conspiracy theory that ANet never listened to us, that mounts just came out coincidentally one month after they won the poll.

Now if ANet puts out broad suggestions for things the community wants them to work on then it would be fine. But we won’t get concrete suggestions due to their corporate policy at this point in time.

I said before, they have the suggestion pole open for a week, then they don’t let anyone post anything. ANet reads all the suggestions they pick the ones they like and then opens a vote polls that have the idea’s they like, after that we as the community vote. At the end we both win. So basically your argument is invalid.

FallenAnqel.1579:

Seera.5916:

FallenAnqel.1579:

@Seera
We wouldnt have that problem because like I said before, Anet isn’t stupid their not gonna add somthing delete it add somthing delete it. And if u take the idea as above they read them first they pick a couple they like and then we vote on that, their would be no problem.

I was replying on your suggestion in the OP.

Which is community provides the suggestions. Then we vote and the winner has to be implemented within one month.

While ANet might not be stupid enough to do that, we the community might as the community is heavily split on several topics.

Mounts is just one area that sees a lot of suggestions and a lot of people on both sides of the argument in.

Duels is another topic.

One month the suggestion options may be:

1. Mounts – add
2. Duels – add
3. Guild Halls – add
4. Random Topic 1
5. Random Topic 2

Mounts – add may win that month.

Next month:

1. Mounts – remove
2. Duels – add
3. Guild Halls – add
4. Random Topic 3
5. Random Topic 4

Then if Mounts – remove wins then ANet has one month to remove them under your proposal. Or the entire forum will be up in arms over another broken promise and another PR disaster when it comes to listening to us and communication. People with throw a conspiracy theory that ANet never listened to us, that mounts just came out coincidentally one month after they won the poll.

Now if ANet puts out broad suggestions for things the community wants them to work on then it would be fine. But we won’t get concrete suggestions due to their corporate policy at this point in time.

I said before, they have the suggestion pole open for a week, then they don’t let anyone post anything. ANet reads all the suggestions they pick the ones they like and then opens a vote polls that have the idea’s they like, after that we as the community vote. At the end we both win. So basically your argument is invalid.

Then your original post is very poorly written.

Because I read it as:

Community gives out suggestions. ANet takes those suggestions and puts them all into a poll and we vote. If that’s not your intention, please go back and reword your original post. Because if I’m reading it wrong, then there are likely others reading it wrong, too. And do you want to take the chance that ANet reads it like I read it?

The moment ANet doesn’t put in a suggestion (especially if it was one that was posted quite often), the community would claim ANet is just cherry picking and not listening to the community.

And many of our suggestions would likely take longer than a month to properly implement and I don’t know about you, but I’d rather something be properly implemented than rushed out buggy. Also, how would you get enough people to suggest quick to implement things to avoid the issue of time spent vs quality? This would only exacerbate the issue mentioned above about cherry picking.

@Seera i Actually wrote on a different paragraph but I guess you didnt see it. and i wrote it on a comment at the same time, the one u quoted and just starting talking. So again your argument is invalid.

Since you couldnt see a bold paragraph I reworded the whole thing so that idea is in the post

It sounds like the OP wants a suggestion system that would increase Anet’s accountability to the players. This would be a fundamental corruption of the basic relationship between company and consumer. Companies are accountable to owners/stockholders or in the case of ANet, to the publisher. They are not accountable to consumers. It is in ANet’s best interests to listen to consumers. However, they would be abrogating their responsibilities to the parties they actually are accountable to, if they shifted accountability to the consumer.

Examine the OP’s wording. “ArenaNet has to create it within a month (or more).”. If ANet decides not to implement player-voted suggestion X, the outcry would be even worse than we see now when what players would prefer is not forthcoming — as hard as that might be to believe. The OP’s suggestion format would create a greater sense of entitlement on the part of players than is already exhibited. This alone would be reason not to implement it.

However, there’s another reason. The totality of GW2 consumers is a large and diverse group. ANet has to consider all of the demographics that make up that group, not just the vocal ones, or the ones kittenponded to a poll.

IndigoSundown.5419:

It sounds like the OP wants a suggestion system that would increase Anet’s accountability to the players. This would be a fundamental corruption of the basic relationship between company and consumer. Companies are accountable to owners/stockholders or in the case of ANet, to the publisher. They are not accountable to consumers. It is in ANet’s best interests to listen to consumers. However, they would be abrogating their responsibilities to the parties they actually are accountable to, if they shifted accountability to the consumer.

Examine the OP’s wording. “ArenaNet has to create it within a month (or more).”. If ANet decides not to implement player-voted suggestion X, the outcry would be even worse than we see now when what players would prefer is not forthcoming — as hard as that might be to believe. The OP’s suggestion format would create a greater sense of entitlement on the part of players than is already exhibited. This alone would be reason not to implement it.

However, there’s another reason. The totality of GW2 consumers is a large and diverse group. ANet has to consider all of the demographics that make up that group, not just the vocal ones, or the ones kittenponded to a poll.

In this post I stated that ANet shouldn’t just do what we want, they should do what they want(Living Story, Whatever). Also if they want to get most of the players voice they should make an annoucement on their home page dont forget to vote or a in game message to all players to vote, so basically all players will have a say. And i dont think you grasped what I was saying ANet gets to PICK what they like from the suggestions and just tell us to vote on which one we want, and if they don’t like any delete all post reopen suggestions. Like I said before you have to see the bigger picture.

Actually I think their suggestion system should be put into the game where people are actually playing. They should also have implemented a “why are you leaving” single post option to their developers to know the majority of the reasons why people are leaving. They could limit these posts to 500 characters and archive them, it would eliminate alot of wasted posts on the forums (like the archived suggestions folder) they could then in game put out global voting on the most requested items they’ve archived to pick their direction.

Problem solved.

FallenAnqel.1579:

@Seera i Actually wrote on a different paragraph but I guess you didnt see it. and i wrote it on a comment at the same time, the one u quoted and just starting talking. So again your argument is invalid.

Since you couldnt see a bold paragraph I reworded the whole thing so that idea is in the post

I saw the bolded paragraph. It said ANOTHER idea. Like the first was a good idea and so was the second. Your first idea was still poorly worded originally and gave the wrong impression.

My argument is not invalidated by the poor wording of your posts. Sorry, arguments don’t work that way.

And if they just delete the suggestions they don’t like customers will get all upset that ANet isn’t listening to us and is just going to wait until someone suggests something that they were already planning to add in order to make it look like they are listening to us.

We don’t know what they have in development at any stage short of what’s about to be released. So we can’t make relevant suggestions. Suggesting new race is pointless if they already have one in the pipeline. A better suggestion to go along with new race is new personal story chapters and a new map that aren’t tied to Living Story. Our characters go and meet the new race in the personal story. A month after that is released, then the new race is playable along with a few new maps. With its own personal story as the new race can’t really do the existing personal story.

But without knowing what they are already working on, us putting out ideas that ANet would have to work on if chosen is pointless. Until their corporate policy on talking to us about things they are working on changes, anything like this is just asking to open a can of worms with PR.

Possible bad PR scenarios:

1. Month goes by and players suggest nothing ANet wants to commit to. So they delete the posts and reopen the post. Players suggest the same things. Rinse repeat. Players start complaining that ANet isn’t willing to listen to us and is rejecting all suggestions because none of them fit in line and is just waiting for a suggestion that they are already working on so it makes them look like they are listening to us.

2. Players suggest something that ANet is willing to work on. Then unexpected issues crop up in development that mean it won’t be released in the short time frame required. Players go crazy over broken promises and how ANet just says one thing and does another. Current corporate policy would mean that once they accepted the suggestion they couldn’t talk about it so they can’t even say that it ran into hiccups and is still in the works.

3. If a good suggestion gets rejected by ANet players will start throwing out conspiracy theories of ANet only puts things into the poll if they are things they are currently within the time frame of releasing and just want player input on what to release first.

Giving players control over what is released and when is just asking for another PR disaster.

FallenAnqel.1579:

In this post I stated that ANet shouldn’t just do what we want, they should do what they want(Living Story, Whatever). Also if they want to get most of the players voice they should make an annoucement on their home page dont forget to vote or a in game message to all players to vote, so basically all players will have a say. And i dont think you grasped what I was saying ANet gets to PICK what they like from the suggestions and just tell us to vote on which one we want, and if they don’t like any delete all post reopen suggestions. Like I said before you have to see the bigger picture.

I understood perfectly what you were saying. It is you failing to see the bigger picture.

You are coming at this solely from the point of view of the consumer who wants more input and control into what gets put in the game. From the point of view of the company, this is a bad idea. It would generate greater entitlement and expectations than we currently see. The recent feature patch unleashed a storm of protest here on the forum. This reaction would be dwarfed by the reactions of players were they to be denied something they voted for. Also, just how would players react if ANet said, “Sorry, there won’t be a vote this time as none of your ideas are feasible.”?

What they ‘could do’ perhaps, is make it a bit more controlled. Instead of just letting players vote for whatever random ideas they want, they could select a specific topic area at a time and ask players to come up with various ideas and suggestions relating to that specific topic area. Players could discuss these various suggestions in a big long thread and then ANet could pick ideas that they like the most and think about how they might go about prioritising and implementing them.

IndigoSundown.5419:

FallenAnqel.1579:

In this post I stated that ANet shouldn’t just do what we want, they should do what they want(Living Story, Whatever). Also if they want to get most of the players voice they should make an annoucement on their home page dont forget to vote or a in game message to all players to vote, so basically all players will have a say. And i dont think you grasped what I was saying ANet gets to PICK what they like from the suggestions and just tell us to vote on which one we want, and if they don’t like any delete all post reopen suggestions. Like I said before you have to see the bigger picture.

I understood perfectly what you were saying. It is you failing to see the bigger picture.

You are coming at this solely from the point of view of the consumer who wants more input and control into what gets put in the game. From the point of view of the company, this is a bad idea. It would generate greater entitlement and expectations than we currently see. The recent feature patch unleashed a storm of protest here on the forum. This reaction would be dwarfed by the reactions of players were they to be denied something they voted for. Also, just how would players react if ANet said, “Sorry, there won’t be a vote this time as none of your ideas are feasible.”?

Your actually wrong, Theirs nothing wrong with us voting for things we want. ill give you an example there is a game called “Rumble Fighter” Its a fighting game basically, you use scrolls which are basically your weapon(martial art scrolls). In that game the suggestion toll you can make your own scroll (Your own martial art) http://nforum.ogplanet.com/rf/forum_posts.asp?TID=440626&SID=e4b4143e22d66b25e15f69c26z385254 That’s a example, if these suggestions get enough supporters the game/developers will implement it in the game (This Suggesting worked well in that game). Is that something wrong, suggestions are suppose to enhance our experience in the game, and the game developer 100% always wants to satisfy their customers. So saying this is bad for company im sorry your wrong.

Seera.5916:

FallenAnqel.1579:

@Seera i Actually wrote on a different paragraph but I guess you didnt see it. and i wrote it on a comment at the same time, the one u quoted and just starting talking. So again your argument is invalid.

Since you couldnt see a bold paragraph I reworded the whole thing so that idea is in the post

I saw the bolded paragraph. It said ANOTHER idea. Like the first was a good idea and so was the second. Your first idea was still poorly worded originally and gave the wrong impression.

My argument is not invalidated by the poor wording of your posts. Sorry, arguments don’t work that way.

And if they just delete the suggestions they don’t like customers will get all upset that ANet isn’t listening to us and is just going to wait until someone suggests something that they were already planning to add in order to make it look like they are listening to us.

We don’t know what they have in development at any stage short of what’s about to be released. So we can’t make relevant suggestions. Suggesting new race is pointless if they already have one in the pipeline. A better suggestion to go along with new race is new personal story chapters and a new map that aren’t tied to Living Story. Our characters go and meet the new race in the personal story. A month after that is released, then the new race is playable along with a few new maps. With its own personal story as the new race can’t really do the existing personal story.

But without knowing what they are already working on, us putting out ideas that ANet would have to work on if chosen is pointless. Until their corporate policy on talking to us about things they are working on changes, anything like this is just asking to open a can of worms with PR.

Possible bad PR scenarios:

1. Month goes by and players suggest nothing ANet wants to commit to. So they delete the posts and reopen the post. Players suggest the same things. Rinse repeat. Players start complaining that ANet isn’t willing to listen to us and is rejecting all suggestions because none of them fit in line and is just waiting for a suggestion that they are already working on so it makes them look like they are listening to us.

2. Players suggest something that ANet is willing to work on. Then unexpected issues crop up in development that mean it won’t be released in the short time frame required. Players go crazy over broken promises and how ANet just says one thing and does another. Current corporate policy would mean that once they accepted the suggestion they couldn’t talk about it so they can’t even say that it ran into hiccups and is still in the works.

3. If a good suggestion gets rejected by ANet players will start throwing out conspiracy theories of ANet only puts things into the poll if they are things they are currently within the time frame of releasing and just want player input on what to release first.

Giving players control over what is released and when is just asking for another PR disaster.

This suggestion system isn’t giving players control over what being released. Because its a suggestion, do you know what a suggestion is “an idea or plan put forward for consideration.” My whole idea and timelines can be changed by ANet I was giving the basic idea of a voting system that could help organize the suggestions, that makes the game move forward. Usually we don’t get any events/updates for a while, so most people get bored, if they use a suggestion every week and almost release something new almost every month, then their would be something new for everyone. Going back to my post how I said new profession, if a new profession came out, lots of people would make it and start playing the game again.

FallenAnqel.1579:

Your actually wrong, Theirs nothing wrong with us voting for things we want. ill give you an example there is a game called “Rumble Fighter” Its a fighting game basically, you use scrolls which are basically your weapon(martial art scrolls). In that game the suggestion toll you can make your own scroll (Your own martial art) http://nforum.ogplanet.com/rf/forum_posts.asp?TID=440626&SID=e4b4143e22d66b25e15f69c26z385254 That’s a example, if these suggestions get enough supporters the game/developers will implement it in the game (This Suggesting worked well in that game). Is that something wrong, suggestions are suppose to enhance our experience in the game, and the game developer 100% always wants to satisfy their customers. So saying this is bad for company im sorry your wrong.

Rumble Fighter is no longer published by OGPlanet. The voting thing sure worked out well for them…

Show me a AAA MMO with a similar system.

FallenAnqel.1579:

This suggestion system isn’t giving players control over what being released. Because its a suggestion, do you know what a suggestion is “an idea or plan put forward for consideration.” My whole idea and timelines can be changed by ANet I was giving the basic idea of a voting system that could help organize the suggestions, that makes the game move forward. Usually we don’t get any events/updates for a while, so most people get bored, if they use a suggestion every week and almost release something new almost every month, then their would be something new for everyone. Going back to my post how I said new profession, if a new profession came out, lots of people would make it and start playing the game again.

You’re not getting it.

ANY time frame for having things show up in game would be disastrous. Because problems arise that they literally can not plan around. Because unexpected things happen.

Unless it was a time frame known as when it is ready. And even that would be problematic.

Your post said that the chosen suggestion HAD TO BE implemented. Meaning that whatever gets put into the poll ceases to be a suggestion but a list of options. And none of the above is not an option. And the kicker is that ANet doesn’t get to decide which option is best. We do. And we players don’t know enough about the direction of this game and what is in development or being considered to choose what ANet adds.

And please don’t insult my intelligence. I know full well what a suggestion is and is not.

IndigoSundown.5419:

FallenAnqel.1579:

Your actually wrong, Theirs nothing wrong with us voting for things we want. ill give you an example there is a game called “Rumble Fighter” Its a fighting game basically, you use scrolls which are basically your weapon(martial art scrolls). In that game the suggestion toll you can make your own scroll (Your own martial art) http://nforum.ogplanet.com/rf/forum_posts.asp?TID=440626&SID=e4b4143e22d66b25e15f69c26z385254 That’s a example, if these suggestions get enough supporters the game/developers will implement it in the game (This Suggesting worked well in that game). Is that something wrong, suggestions are suppose to enhance our experience in the game, and the game developer 100% always wants to satisfy their customers. So saying this is bad for company im sorry your wrong.

Rumble Fighter is no longer published by OGPlanet. The voting thing sure worked out well for them…

Show me a AAA MMO with a similar system.

Yes rumble fighter no longer published by OGPlanet but it wasn’t because of the voting, it was because a different reason. and sorry I don’t no many MMO’s but if I find one I’ll let you know.

Riot (LoL) does something like that, but they don’t really take anyone full idea due to legal issues, but they do get inspired by them, so thats what i said from the beginning ANet doesn’t have to take 100% of what we say they can take 10% 5% of we want and make something thats better. Acually LoL did take a player concept and it was a skin for another champion in the game. (medieval twitch)
Yes I know LoL isnt a MMO but still

FallenAnqel.1579:

Riot (LoL) does something like that, but they don’t really take anyone full idea due to legal issues, but they do get inspired by them, so thats what i said from the beginning ANet doesn’t have to take 100% of what we say they can take 10% 5% of we want and make something thats better.

And then players will not make the connection and will claim ANet isn’t listening to them. That they got the suggestion all wrong. That they didn’t want X to happen, they wanted Y to happen. They picked the wrong little tidbit as the crucial piece in the suggestion.

And what you’re saying happens now. We suggest things, they implement things based on those suggestions.

April’s traits change is one such example. Players asked for GW1 like trait unlocking. Guess what we got? ANet already does this and they don’t have to make a thread specifically for it. These forums serves the purpose of your suggestion if amount and time frame for the release can be left up to ANet. Because it will turn into just what we have now. No need for ANet to waste resources. Very few of the employees are paid to post on the forums. That’s why Gaile’s posts in the Support section tend to be later at night and not mid day and why she tends to post in threads all around the same time in a particular day. Because she’s not paid to watch the forum and post. The moderators are, but only to moderate. They have no power on what is and what is not done with the game. They simply keep people following the rules.

The CDI’s may be company approved, but they are very likely also on the caveat that it doesn’t interfere with their other duties at work.

FallenAnqel.1579:

Riot (LoL) does something like that, but they don’t really take anyone full idea due to legal issues, but they do get inspired by them, so thats what i said from the beginning ANet doesn’t have to take 100% of what we say they can take 10% 5% of we want and make something thats better. If I dont make any sense sorry.

I understand what you’re saying. I have no issue with suggestions, or developers using them in whole or in part. In fact, I’m pretty sure that’s what ANet has been doing. However, maintaining market share in the competitive MMO market, especially for large population games, can mean that developers have to throw some things in for smaller demographics, or risk losing them en masse.

I have concerns about bad publicity generated by player disappointment if their expectations are fueled by having voted. I also am concerned that if voting became the expected thing, then marginal populations would be less likely to get something for them. As an example, take large group, organization required events like Tequatl and TT. Would these events have passed a voting test? Maybe so, but based on the percentage of the population that seems to do them, maybe not.

You are all under the impression that this is a democracy. It’s not. All we can do with any media is opt in or opt out. They are under no obligation to respond to a popularity pole.

IndigoSundown.5419:

FallenAnqel.1579:

Riot (LoL) does something like that, but they don’t really take anyone full idea due to legal issues, but they do get inspired by them, so thats what i said from the beginning ANet doesn’t have to take 100% of what we say they can take 10% 5% of we want and make something thats better. If I dont make any sense sorry.

I understand what you’re saying. I have no issue with suggestions, or developers using them in whole or in part. In fact, I’m pretty sure that’s what ANet has been doing. However, maintaining market share in the competitive MMO market, especially for large population games, can mean that developers have to throw some things in for smaller demographics, or risk losing them en masse.

I have concerns about bad publicity generated by player disappointment if their expectations are fueled by having voted. I also am concerned that if voting became the expected thing, then marginal populations would be less likely to get something for them. As an example, take large group, organization required events like Tequatl and TT. Would these events have passed a voting test? Maybe so, but based on the percentage of the population that seems to do them, maybe not.

I understand your point.